Israel shows pride and an unbearable amount of self-praise in having a minority of 20% Arabs in its mainland, but denies the Arab population of occupied Westbank any chance of a decent life. Where is the barier for tolerance? 25%, 30% , 50% , 60%
As long as Israelis such as Danon want the land of the Aabs but not the people who live there, it is an Apartheit state because Apartheit is in the heart of the Israelis. It took people like me decades to understand this and it was a painful process.
Wrong! The answer is not to annex Judea and Samaria if the Arabs create a so-called 'Palestine'. The answer is to annex Judea and Samaria BEFORE they do it! That land belongs to us, not the Arabs.
Annex the land and transfer the Arabs OUT! Where will they go? They'll go to Jordan.
For every Jew who says that this would be wrong, on his head is the blood of every Jew murdered in Israel.
May the blessed memory of Ha Rav Meir Kahane be immortalized, and may God avenge his blood.
@koyunbaba73 May I kindly ask if you will only "transfer" the Arabs from the Westbank to Jordan or will you do likewise with the all Arabs in Israel ?
As far as I can imagine, you will let the Arabs in (present) Israel stay so that you can show to the world how tolerant and democratic Israel is.
@Jeansschwimmer I would let any Arabs who wish to stay remain in Israel with all personal rights but no political rights, which is more than any Jew could hope for in any Arab country. Those who wish to leave with some monetary compensation, may do so. Those Arabs who would cause trouble, throw rocks or riot, I would throw out without a penny of compensation. As far as the 'world' goes, I don't give a damn what they think.
@koyunbaba73 If that is the Israel you want to create- be it so. but if that Israel wants to be in the exclusive circle of democratic nations: throw it out and call it what it will have become then and what it problbly has been deep in the hearts of a great part of its population: a fascist society and a fascist state, puppet on the string of its ultra-nationalist-ultra-religious settlers, people like the ones in Hebron who urinate into the stalls of the Arabs on their bazars.
@Jeansschwimmer Look habibi there's not going to be a debate here. I find it remarkable when a member of the religion of suicide bombers and throat cutters starts complaining about 'fascist Israel'. We all know what you would do to all the Jews if you had a chance. So don't play games with me. And don't accuse us of that which you are exclusively guilty. Israel has bent over backward to protect Muslim holy sites while Muslims have desecrated every Jewish holy site. Make no mistake.You will go.
Israel must annex Judea Sumeria ASAP and remember the three D's Disband and Disarm and Deport the leadership of the P.A. from Eritz Israel and thus there will be a eternal peace for all residents of Israel Arab and Jew alike.The Palestinians themselves tell me they are fed up with the corruption and high way robbery of the Palestinian Authority.One State is the key to peace.
@princewahid1 Basically I would agree- but that state would have to be perfectly multi-religious. It would have to guarantee equal rights to Arabs, Christians and Jews. It would have to stop calling itself a "Jewish state".
Arabs would have the right to buy land and live wherever they want, so would Jews, or anybody else.
I fear that such a state is not what Kahane-activists, Likus.partymembers or other people from the extreme right dream of.
The title "Jewish state," which Spain just recently agreed upon (Spain is one of top pro-Palestinian European countries), has nothing to do with religion and state. Abbas has said that any Palestinian who sells land to a Jew will be put to death. No such law exists in Israel for Jews selling to Arabs. Jewish state simply means the character and people of the state will be largely Jewish - as a homeland for Jews worldwide and escape from persecution and religious freedom.
@israelawareness1 Question #1: where does persecution of jewish people- by law, not by the one or other individual who breaks the law when he does so- take place today?
Question #2: Does the concept of a "homeland for Jews" automatically justify discrimination against other ethnic or religios groups?
Question #3: What about the landlaw of 2002 that prohibits the sale of so-called "state land" to anyone who is not Jewish?
In fact, Theodore Herzl (founder of modern Zionism) was anti-religion, PM Bibi Netanyahu is secular, and most of Israel's Jewish population are secular. The Israeli government too is secular. So we see here a seperation of church (or i should say synogogue) and state, while still maintaing the Jewish character - which was EXACTLY the purpose of founding Israel - of the state. There is nothing contradictory about this.
@israelawareness1 I am fully aware that the Israeli society is not homogenous and that the "classic" religious jews are a smaller and smaller minority compared to the mostly ultra-rightwing groups and parties like Lieberman's fascists, Kahane, Schas and others who have managed to distort the face of Israel into an ugly grimace of violence.
Lieberman acts in the interests of the Israeli government, and doesn't represent a religious party. Most Israelis aren't content with the charedi (such as the Shas party), since most Charedi are anti-Israel, don't have to serve in the IDF, and yet Israeli taxpayer money goes to them.
What the Likud party does is based on their own political interests, and doesn't represent a religious affiliation.
My point was that "Jewish state" just means the character,and nothing else
The international community agreed upon a homeland for the Jews 20 years before the Holocaust started. This is what is meant by a "Jewish state." A Jewish state may decide to act like an Arab state and discriminate non-Jews, or it may take the stance it's taken since 1948, which basically has 20% of the population as Arabs, and Christians, Druze, Bedouins, Hindus, etc, all part of the population, with Israeli Arabs having more rights than in Arab countries, and equal rights.
@israelawareness1 You better read the Balfour Declaration and the papers of the Lague of Nations more carefully before you utter your nonsense. The term "Jewish homeland" did by no means mean: "For Jews only" nor did it allow any dispossion, discrimination, oppression or whatsoever of the non-Jewish population of the region. Balfour clearly wrote that the Jews had to obey the civil rights of any other group.
And no state "may" decide to discriminate anybody just because others do so.
Israel shows pride and an unbearable amount of self-praise in having a minority of 20% Arabs in its mainland, but denies the Arab population of occupied Westbank any chance of a decent life. Where is the barier for tolerance? 25%, 30% , 50% , 60%
As long as Israelis such as Danon want the land of the Aabs but not the people who live there, it is an Apartheit state because Apartheit is in the heart of the Israelis. It took people like me decades to understand this and it was a painful process.
Jeansschwimmer 4 months ago
You have this when you have un-satisfied gay who are in the closet in a power positions...This guy is a shame to gay society
Tanblondalex 5 months ago
There are moments where I dream the Americans may take revenge for the "USS Liberty".
Jeansschwimmer 8 months ago
Wrong! The answer is not to annex Judea and Samaria if the Arabs create a so-called 'Palestine'. The answer is to annex Judea and Samaria BEFORE they do it! That land belongs to us, not the Arabs.
Annex the land and transfer the Arabs OUT! Where will they go? They'll go to Jordan.
For every Jew who says that this would be wrong, on his head is the blood of every Jew murdered in Israel.
May the blessed memory of Ha Rav Meir Kahane be immortalized, and may God avenge his blood.
koyunbaba73 8 months ago
@koyunbaba73 May I kindly ask if you will only "transfer" the Arabs from the Westbank to Jordan or will you do likewise with the all Arabs in Israel ?
As far as I can imagine, you will let the Arabs in (present) Israel stay so that you can show to the world how tolerant and democratic Israel is.
Jeansschwimmer 8 months ago
@Jeansschwimmer I would let any Arabs who wish to stay remain in Israel with all personal rights but no political rights, which is more than any Jew could hope for in any Arab country. Those who wish to leave with some monetary compensation, may do so. Those Arabs who would cause trouble, throw rocks or riot, I would throw out without a penny of compensation. As far as the 'world' goes, I don't give a damn what they think.
koyunbaba73 8 months ago
@koyunbaba73 If that is the Israel you want to create- be it so. but if that Israel wants to be in the exclusive circle of democratic nations: throw it out and call it what it will have become then and what it problbly has been deep in the hearts of a great part of its population: a fascist society and a fascist state, puppet on the string of its ultra-nationalist-ultra-religious settlers, people like the ones in Hebron who urinate into the stalls of the Arabs on their bazars.
Jeansschwimmer 8 months ago
@Jeansschwimmer Look habibi there's not going to be a debate here. I find it remarkable when a member of the religion of suicide bombers and throat cutters starts complaining about 'fascist Israel'. We all know what you would do to all the Jews if you had a chance. So don't play games with me. And don't accuse us of that which you are exclusively guilty. Israel has bent over backward to protect Muslim holy sites while Muslims have desecrated every Jewish holy site. Make no mistake.You will go.
koyunbaba73 8 months ago
Annex all of Judea Sumeria now!
princewahid1 11 months ago 3
Israel must annex Judea Sumeria ASAP and remember the three D's Disband and Disarm and Deport the leadership of the P.A. from Eritz Israel and thus there will be a eternal peace for all residents of Israel Arab and Jew alike.The Palestinians themselves tell me they are fed up with the corruption and high way robbery of the Palestinian Authority.One State is the key to peace.
princewahid1 11 months ago 4
@princewahid1 Basically I would agree- but that state would have to be perfectly multi-religious. It would have to guarantee equal rights to Arabs, Christians and Jews. It would have to stop calling itself a "Jewish state".
Arabs would have the right to buy land and live wherever they want, so would Jews, or anybody else.
I fear that such a state is not what Kahane-activists, Likus.partymembers or other people from the extreme right dream of.
Jeansschwimmer 8 months ago
@Jeansschwimmer
The title "Jewish state," which Spain just recently agreed upon (Spain is one of top pro-Palestinian European countries), has nothing to do with religion and state. Abbas has said that any Palestinian who sells land to a Jew will be put to death. No such law exists in Israel for Jews selling to Arabs. Jewish state simply means the character and people of the state will be largely Jewish - as a homeland for Jews worldwide and escape from persecution and religious freedom.
israelawareness1 5 months ago
@israelawareness1 Question #1: where does persecution of jewish people- by law, not by the one or other individual who breaks the law when he does so- take place today?
Question #2: Does the concept of a "homeland for Jews" automatically justify discrimination against other ethnic or religios groups?
Question #3: What about the landlaw of 2002 that prohibits the sale of so-called "state land" to anyone who is not Jewish?
Jeansschwimmer 5 months ago
@Jeansschwimmer
In fact, Theodore Herzl (founder of modern Zionism) was anti-religion, PM Bibi Netanyahu is secular, and most of Israel's Jewish population are secular. The Israeli government too is secular. So we see here a seperation of church (or i should say synogogue) and state, while still maintaing the Jewish character - which was EXACTLY the purpose of founding Israel - of the state. There is nothing contradictory about this.
israelawareness1 5 months ago
@israelawareness1 I am fully aware that the Israeli society is not homogenous and that the "classic" religious jews are a smaller and smaller minority compared to the mostly ultra-rightwing groups and parties like Lieberman's fascists, Kahane, Schas and others who have managed to distort the face of Israel into an ugly grimace of violence.
Jeansschwimmer 5 months ago
@Jeansschwimmer
Lieberman acts in the interests of the Israeli government, and doesn't represent a religious party. Most Israelis aren't content with the charedi (such as the Shas party), since most Charedi are anti-Israel, don't have to serve in the IDF, and yet Israeli taxpayer money goes to them.
What the Likud party does is based on their own political interests, and doesn't represent a religious affiliation.
My point was that "Jewish state" just means the character,and nothing else
israelawareness1 5 months ago
@Jeansschwimmer
The international community agreed upon a homeland for the Jews 20 years before the Holocaust started. This is what is meant by a "Jewish state." A Jewish state may decide to act like an Arab state and discriminate non-Jews, or it may take the stance it's taken since 1948, which basically has 20% of the population as Arabs, and Christians, Druze, Bedouins, Hindus, etc, all part of the population, with Israeli Arabs having more rights than in Arab countries, and equal rights.
israelawareness1 5 months ago
@israelawareness1 You better read the Balfour Declaration and the papers of the Lague of Nations more carefully before you utter your nonsense. The term "Jewish homeland" did by no means mean: "For Jews only" nor did it allow any dispossion, discrimination, oppression or whatsoever of the non-Jewish population of the region. Balfour clearly wrote that the Jews had to obey the civil rights of any other group.
And no state "may" decide to discriminate anybody just because others do so.
Jeansschwimmer 5 months ago
@Jeansschwimmer
I never said they have the right to do so. If so, it'd be hypocritical for:
Israel to have 20% Arab population
20% university population are Arabs - same percentage
Palestinian kids with cancer get treated to Mt Hermon ski resort with IDF
Palestinian artist gets his arm repaired so he can go back to working with art
Palestinian journalists, such as Khaled Abu Toameh, to write in Israeli newspapers.
Etc etc etc
israelawareness1 5 months ago
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Fuck you & Fuck israhell
usethe23 1 year ago
I'm a fan of Dan.
highcottonquinn 1 year ago
that's only reasonable
EncompassedRunner 1 year ago
Kol HaKavod, Danny!
moshe219 1 year ago 2