these adverts are so much bullshit lol one of the dads at my football team as a kid was like this but worse, the kids just tried harder when he shouted ''FUCKIN COME ON!! GET STUCK IN!!'. it was a cue for 'you are playing shit, you can do better'. i am hardly scarred for life lol this crap is just trying to create girly footballers for the future.
Hopefully parents will learn that when they use threatening behaviour with their children then that is exactly how they are teaching their children to behave. Children learn from what we do, and how we do it - not from what we say and how we say to do it.
this really is the average coach in the English grassroots, because they're amatuers. those types of coaches are just parents they're not even qualified. seeing 6 yrolds made to do shuttle runs is common! you wouldnt let someone teach history based on alot of enthusiasm but no degree would you?
@justnotcricket - Not sure that a piece of paper saying "here's the proof that you've read books and can recite them' is relevant here. We are talking about respect.
That said, teams around here have managers who are taking their coaching badges. Although the coaching methods appear to be outdated. Rather than encourage natural latent talent it seems we are teaching them 'not to use talent' but to use 'learned skills' such as pass and move. Surely 14 is soon enough for that,
@JOEYFOGG with respect, i think the flippant attitude you've expressed towards qualifications [fyi i meant that in broad terms the degree was just an analogy, if that threw you off] is the biggest problem and most of the root cause of this problem. no PE teacher would behave like this, because they know what they're doing. whereas this idiot probably thinks this is how his job is meant to be done. It's the most relevant issue, after all we're dealing with imcopmetance, the malice just follows.
@justnotcricket - I've experienced teachers shouting - so my point is having a piece of paper does not teach what needs to be taught. I think you've been thrown off by your assumption that the adult in the video is the coach (its the parent). The point here is that it's the parents behaviour that is the issue. All the videos are trying to educate parents to behave better. A degree shows only what you have done not what you can.
@JOEYFOGG@JOEYFOGG "I think you've been thrown off by your assumption that the adult in the video is the coach (its the parent)." not my assumption at all. i made a tangential point about coaching.
"The point here is that it's the parents behaviour that is the issue." agreed, i dont think we disagree on the subject of the video.
@justnotcricket - interesting beliefs you hold there e.g. a belief that qualifications automatically equip someone with the required interpersonal skills to teach/coach. That flippancy towards qualifications is the 'root' cause of a lack of respect Do you have information to support that correlation is it just your own opinion (prejudice?).
I often find when someone says "with respect" it means they are about to show none - quite an irony when you consider the topic!
@JOEYFOGG "interesting beliefs you hold there e.g. a belief that qualifications automatically equip someone with the required interpersonal skills to teach/coach." i dont hold those beliefs at all. but from you assertion the corrollary must be that you think those skills are what makes a coach and all technical skills are irrelevant?
"That flippancy towards qualifications is the 'root' cause of a lack of respect..." not respect, the proliferation of incompetance.
@justnotcricket - "no PE teacher would behave this way" - that kind of belief leaves no way for negotiation does it. Seems quite as bigoted as the shouting parent. Perhaps anyone else reading this who has experienced a PE teacher over asserting their authority might like to comment.
@JOEYFOGG even if you take that rhetoric literally i fail to see how it's bigoted. You can keep dismissing the idea of time spent learning skills as 'pieces of paper' i assume the implication is that its a worthless piece of paper? however if a coach is incompetent enough to make 6 yrolds do shuttle runs... he's incompetent enough to miss the value of loosing in pedagogy. combined with 'that parent' [we've all seen them] and you have a recipe for disaster. this is my experience, its anecdotal.
the FA are making football Gay
panzer1x1 4 months ago
these adverts are so much bullshit lol one of the dads at my football team as a kid was like this but worse, the kids just tried harder when he shouted ''FUCKIN COME ON!! GET STUCK IN!!'. it was a cue for 'you are playing shit, you can do better'. i am hardly scarred for life lol this crap is just trying to create girly footballers for the future.
toxic2k7 8 months ago
@toxic2k7 exactly
panzer1x1 4 months ago
Hopefully parents will learn that when they use threatening behaviour with their children then that is exactly how they are teaching their children to behave. Children learn from what we do, and how we do it - not from what we say and how we say to do it.
JOEYFOGG 1 year ago
this really is the average coach in the English grassroots, because they're amatuers. those types of coaches are just parents they're not even qualified. seeing 6 yrolds made to do shuttle runs is common! you wouldnt let someone teach history based on alot of enthusiasm but no degree would you?
justnotcricket 1 year ago
@justnotcricket - Not sure that a piece of paper saying "here's the proof that you've read books and can recite them' is relevant here. We are talking about respect.
That said, teams around here have managers who are taking their coaching badges. Although the coaching methods appear to be outdated. Rather than encourage natural latent talent it seems we are teaching them 'not to use talent' but to use 'learned skills' such as pass and move. Surely 14 is soon enough for that,
JOEYFOGG 1 year ago
@JOEYFOGG with respect, i think the flippant attitude you've expressed towards qualifications [fyi i meant that in broad terms the degree was just an analogy, if that threw you off] is the biggest problem and most of the root cause of this problem. no PE teacher would behave like this, because they know what they're doing. whereas this idiot probably thinks this is how his job is meant to be done. It's the most relevant issue, after all we're dealing with imcopmetance, the malice just follows.
justnotcricket 1 year ago
@justnotcricket - I've experienced teachers shouting - so my point is having a piece of paper does not teach what needs to be taught. I think you've been thrown off by your assumption that the adult in the video is the coach (its the parent). The point here is that it's the parents behaviour that is the issue. All the videos are trying to educate parents to behave better. A degree shows only what you have done not what you can.
JOEYFOGG 1 year ago
@JOEYFOGG @JOEYFOGG "I think you've been thrown off by your assumption that the adult in the video is the coach (its the parent)." not my assumption at all. i made a tangential point about coaching.
"The point here is that it's the parents behaviour that is the issue." agreed, i dont think we disagree on the subject of the video.
justnotcricket 1 year ago
@justnotcricket - interesting beliefs you hold there e.g. a belief that qualifications automatically equip someone with the required interpersonal skills to teach/coach. That flippancy towards qualifications is the 'root' cause of a lack of respect Do you have information to support that correlation is it just your own opinion (prejudice?).
I often find when someone says "with respect" it means they are about to show none - quite an irony when you consider the topic!
JOEYFOGG 1 year ago
@JOEYFOGG "interesting beliefs you hold there e.g. a belief that qualifications automatically equip someone with the required interpersonal skills to teach/coach." i dont hold those beliefs at all. but from you assertion the corrollary must be that you think those skills are what makes a coach and all technical skills are irrelevant?
"That flippancy towards qualifications is the 'root' cause of a lack of respect..." not respect, the proliferation of incompetance.
justnotcricket 1 year ago
@justnotcricket - "no PE teacher would behave this way" - that kind of belief leaves no way for negotiation does it. Seems quite as bigoted as the shouting parent. Perhaps anyone else reading this who has experienced a PE teacher over asserting their authority might like to comment.
JOEYFOGG 1 year ago
@JOEYFOGG even if you take that rhetoric literally i fail to see how it's bigoted. You can keep dismissing the idea of time spent learning skills as 'pieces of paper' i assume the implication is that its a worthless piece of paper? however if a coach is incompetent enough to make 6 yrolds do shuttle runs... he's incompetent enough to miss the value of loosing in pedagogy. combined with 'that parent' [we've all seen them] and you have a recipe for disaster. this is my experience, its anecdotal.
justnotcricket 1 year ago