Arnold Schoenberg, 6 little pieces op. 19 - Orchestral versi

[candy2kiss]

this is not voluntary...

[candy2kiss]

i love this song!! <3<3<3<3<3

[Geniusderelict]

really nice !

[Glawir]

Warum sollte man so etwas hören? Es klingt einfach nicht schön und warum sollte ich jemandem beweisen, dass ich so etwas hören kann? Jeder kann atonale Musik zusammenwürfeln, aber sie drückt einfach nichts aus!

[SuperStuff01]

This is so good it makes it hard for me to go back and listen to the original version. You should totally try to get a live orchestra to perform this.

[DesEisensBlut]

traumhaft ... gänsehaut :)

[24Pianist]

For all those you hate atonal - think Tom and Jerry. Yeah, doesn't sound so bad now, does it?

[Dynasty2703]

so n dreck!

[KhagarBalugrak]

YOU KNOW SOMETHIN GOD BITCH IS WHAT

[gera1262]

where can i find the score for this?

[intervalkid]

You did an excellent job arranging these works! Have you presented them to a conductor? Shonberg himself began by arranging others works. This is indeed notable.

[kdsf12]

This is not too bad, actually.

[callmeBe]

OH, well thank you for the correction. I only know this work in the original piano form--never heard the orchestral. These are the perfect kind of peices for the intermediate orchestration student--where you refer back to the piano score and then assign instrumentation. For me, Schoenberg was an especially wonderful orchestrator--he used instruments sparingly (like Mahler), and doubled (that includes octaves) as little as possible (opposite of Elgar) for a very transparent/clean sound.

[callmeBe]

I would argue that he had a HUGE, HUGE influence on modern orchestration, with the likes of Andrew Imbrie, Roger Sessions, etc. Mostly because Schoenberg placed so much emphasis upon individual color (much like Ravel)--that is, the use of the solo woodwind--where most of the color comes from in an orchestra. Even with Mahler, this was not done before his time. (When you read Mahler scores there is a tremendous amount of doubling--but it is done in such tasteful and considered ways)!

[Ainigma]

@callmeBe what is "doubling"?

[callmeBe]

@Ainigma. "doubling" is where more than one instrument is assigned to a single line. (It can be in octaves or unison). Schoenberg strived for supreme clarity in virtually anything he did, so other than in the larger and thicker sections of music where a bulkier and larger sound is needed, his orchestral choice favored the solo instrument, or at least instruments of the same kind (clarinets only, not oboe + clarinet + flute). Only in the outer fringes (very high/low) did he use octaves.

[callmeBe]

@Ainigma. Let me also say all of these peices are HIGHLY tonal, and are driven by chromatic voiceleading--especially in the bass lines. So, if you are expecting V-I cadences in the music you won't find that--but you will find chromatic resolutions thoughout--ie., Italian VI of the subdom. resolving into a new tonic (tonicization), those kinds of things. This is what you would study in a graduate level chromatic theory class. Same with Mahler and Berg. This is where theory is interesting!!

[scottgilesmusic]

Very good job. The part III, Sehr Langsam is a bit inelegant but outside of that I'm very, very happy with this transcription! Good job!

[meinbioni]

Whatever it is. It could never make me feel comfortable.

[Irazall]

i think its good for some video games ;) e.g. in some final fantasy would it fit very well

[tferrarimusic]

This was certainly interesting...

[MikroBadass]

its very suspensful

[AlisaAkihito]

omg atonal :) <3

[missjacko1]

Schoenberg is a composer that you either love or hate, I find a lot of his work interesting and you can certianly hear elements of this music that have influenced later Music scores.

[questions613]

what a wonderful job thanks so much  you give the piece the warmth and color some of us are not able to hear from just the solo piano.

[gymnopedies13]

Nice orchestration - melody projects well in first movement; very un-Webernian, and I mean that in a good way.

[slash7934]

the nazis had one thing right, this is degenerate garbage, most of it at least.

[MrJimmu]

This strangely reminds me of the music from early 90s Lucas Arts stuff, such as Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis.

[aculturemind]

@MrJimmu

No. All that movie score stuff reminds you of this. You just heard the former first - which came last.

[Novskij]

some of this stuff is awesome....

[rabbitpi]

@ProximitySymbol telegraph.co.uk/science/scienc­e-news/7279626/Audiences-hate-­modern-classical-music-because­-their-brains-cannot-cope.html

[Haeronthegreat]

I do wonder if you might have added some different octaves or other colours, for example, perhaps VI could benefit from some ghostly string harmonics?

[bopkick5]

interesting work

[MichelleCTaylorf1]

mhschnüffel gibts den keinen hier der mit mir chatten mag bin so gelangweilt

[MrRicksStudio]

Hearing it this way, with the various tone colors imposed upon it, makes me want to go back and restudy these pieces, and apply some of this in terms of varied touches.

[Medsas]

uhh is this midi? cuz it sounds like it...

[OpusOneTwoFive]

I love it

[fabianidhesona]

dope good music.

[makwingka1985hk]

no good

[bassninjatroy]

It may have been the MIDI, but the orchestration for "III: Sehr Langsam" seemed a bit thick. Other than that, I loved it.

[brescianello]

you are right, orchestration for nr. III IS thik!

why? because I think this piece has a late romantic mood, so I chose a wagnerian instrumentation but with a fade out at the end, but this is only my interpretation... what do you think about?

[bassninjatroy]

well, like I said, it may have been the MIDI muddying it up, but in the opening of that movement, I had a bit of trouble hearing the chords. But then again, they're in a low register so that is probably appropriate... I'm not really an authority on it. Overall I felt the orchestration was very good, I especially like the muted trpts on mvt.2. The istrumentation is very appropriate seeing as this piece was composed in memory of Mahler. My praise isn't worth much, but you have it anyway,

[callmeBe]

@bassninjatroy , I'm listening to section III, and I think it's just the MIDI--your strings could easily be made softer in an orchestral performance, which I'm sure is how you intended this work anyway. I think your writing is very stylistic and true to how Schoenberg wrote, and I commend you for it. Very nice, Bravo! I hope you have other efforts which are purely yours, and I hope you have somehow secured a performance of this work--your serious efforts deserve a serious performance!!

[bassninjatroy]

@callmeBe

Lol. I didn't do this. This sounds like Schoenberg because it is Schoenberg, orchestrated by @brescianello

[bsdml]

I concur with Mahler151; the midi sounds come off in a very cool and unexpected way here. I wouldn't want to hear them in a Mozart transcription, or Tchaikovsky, etc., but in this setting, with this kind of atonal writing, it's really interesting.

[mahler151]

Normally, MIDI files sound awful, but with Schoenberg.....I kinda like it.

[C0NTR4B455]

Nice arrangemant but I dislike the sounds you've produced here..So synthetic.

[Varese52]

Don't know how I've missed this all this time. What a first-rate transcription, perfectly attuned to the style and manner of the period in which the pieces were composed. I do hope you get to have the pieces performed and recorded by an actual instrumental ensemble, though even in this form it is impossible not to offer you congratulations on a job well done. Bravo!

[LeipzigKantor]

very nice, great work; bravo! I would love to hear this performed with an actual orchestra.

[NewsSeeeker515]

Great. But I prefer the piano even it's midi.

[golafs]

you should make it clear in the title or info that this is a midi or synth version of orchestral transcription.

it´s easy for trained musicians to translate or imagine how it should sound like, but for others, it will just sound as crap.

[AthensBenin]

Normal people. What bores.

[SpawnofHastur]

Best comment ever put upon the internet.

[paideianow]

It's obvious you're not normal.

[eoghdes18]

Shame about the quality of the midi instruments, but there's nothing you could have done about that really, short of hours spent on Logic Pro or something similar! Very cleverly orchestrated!

[cornicello]

Good job on the orchestration - it's very much in the style of what Schoenberg would have done.

[0707NicePlayer]

o, it is an interesting music, new...

[plslvmn]

try listening to an orchestral version, which is much better

[Selequie]

oooooooooooh!

[freestylefan1]

These pieces are very beautiful, I will listen again and again.

[hungrydave1977]

this is not serial (12 tone). The first 12tone music was 1921.

This is his atonal period

[FwksMthy2]

12tone music is also atonal..

[hungrydave1977]

yes in the strict technical sense 12 tone music is atonal, because it's not tonal in terms of major and minor, but neither is modal jazz or plainsong and you wouldn't call them atonal would you :-p

'ATONAL' refers to schonbergs period before the development of 12tone and since the second string quartet.

It has become a genre name regardless of strict technical meaning

[eoghdes18]

Of course, Schoenberg himself detested the term atonal, as listeners will hear a semblance of tonality in everything. (And I don't just mean major/minor, but rather that a tonal center will be heard)

[pseudoalpha4real]

twelve tone really can set a mood, it sounds chaotic, but interesting, it has potential, it just needs to be ordered imaginatively.

serialism is a funny thing, i'm not sure if i get it, i don't know enough yet, but the most listenable schoenberg pieces are atonal, but not composed using serialism right? i love well thought out atonal down to the detail, but serialism doesn't seem to reliably yeild mood inducing results.

[hungrydave1977]

i'd agree with you pseudo.

12tone is basically a failed system, interesting to theorists, but not being used at all by modern composers (that's not to say ideas didn't come out of it though).

The major problem was that it didn't allow all for all the stuff that had gone before. New systems have to incorporate the old, and 12tone just didn't do that. The result is that debussy's harmony is everywhere today and shoenbergs is nowhere - shame.

[chukmaty]

I have always been very interested in atonal material... while in music I think it is best used sparingly, it brings out one side of nature which is the apparently chaotic and uncontrollable.

Movie making in particular has used it to great affect here and there.

[bakhirun]

It might even be worthwhile to disable comments, with cretins like the so-called 'zoeypinkflower' sticking in her two cents' worth. Never try to have an intelligent discussion with idiots, as they will do their best to turn you into an idiot as well.

[foreignboy221]

if you have finale, you should take this and post it all w/ the garritan sounds. it would make it so much better. otherwise, great work!

[Sorabjian]

This is a great orchestration! What did you use for the instrument samples?

[Sorabjian]

You're not a real listener.

[totalrocked]

it's called serialism dumbass it isnt easy on the ears but its not supposed to be its about expirementing and making something that sounds random and dichordant (atonal) using a technique of tweleve notes (tonerow) and reversing and flipping the tonerow along set motifs (rythms)thats the basics idiot

[monkeynuts19]

actually dumb ass it's about creating a mood or expression...not just the method on how it was created ...even schoeberg broke the 12 note rule that he made.

[Eupalinos1970]

Hoho, Op.19 isn't a serial piece, just an atonal one ! Tonerow starts with Op. 23 and 25.

[paideianow]

You're not really clever, are you?

[tetraf]

Nonostante le limitazioni del midi, rende molto bene l'idea di come può (ottimamente) funzionare. Complimenti!

[goodha2]

This is well suited for a cat burglary

other than that its fucked up

[jhg12989]

This piece kicks ass!!!!!!

[sshuck]

1. "This is well..."

2. "other than that..."

3. "This piece kicks..."

I agree with all 3 statements.

[japanesesweet]

Try and find REAL players-the balances on these playbacks are not a very good guide to the reality and the lack of flexibility in rhythm changes the character of these wonderful pieces.

It seems like an imaginative orchestration!

[Quadrupelfuge]

sorry, but this sound is a no go...

[morvensky]

i understand their good pieces but i find them pointless

:(

[multipleoranges45]

Really liked the arrangement, thought that it deserved a better performance though.

[aaldredge]

Very nice orchestraion. The midi sure beats finale.

[schizchris]

weird but cool

[CEPRATE]

Trabalho importantíssimo para apreciações!!!!

Muito obrigado!!!!!

[bearsrider]

Very good job! I like very much Schoenberg's op. 19 even if it's one of the pieces of his that was not written with 12-tones technique yet.

I wish you that can be performed by real instruments some day!

[plehalexpleh]

it sounds awful!

but by that i dont mean that its bad or anything i just b dont like this type of music...

[YuriDante]

Good orchestration, great intention. =]

(I don't care about the midi.)

[HerrWozzeck]

Wow. This scared me just a bit. I mean, if you've ever heard the 5 Orchestra Pieces, this sounds something like what the abridged version would sound like.

Which means you scared me in a good way. I wish this could have been a live recording since Midi doesn't do justice to any orchestration.

Excellent job, sir.

[visca94]

what thaw

[davis1337]

comment on 2nd part: you should mute the celeste after hitting it: bc it must be 'auBerst kurz'. for the rest: well done! like to hear it played by a real orchestra instead of midi.

[alexvdbroek]

good effort on the orchestration. Shame about the midi

[ChiChithePygo]

Beautifully orchestrated!

[penguin12345678]

how strange

[FrankMazeppa]

You could do that.

[spcfsu1]

Beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

[Roswellsounds]

Nice work, mate!!!

[gottyboy]

figo!!!!

[squalo92]

ma vaffanculo sta musica de mmerda

[Klangtraeume]

Very good and original idea. But such an artificial sound :(

[Bolender]

Outstanding. Thank you for posting.

[GreggaryPeccary]

Sounds a bit like a Zappa synclavier piece! Did you do this with Sibelius?

[brescianello]

no, i've done this audio rendering with my personal collection of different sf2

[Userdoe1560]

How do you do that- get your MIDIs to use your soundfonts?

[brescianello]

I use a free program found online. it's called timidity++

[Userdoe1560]

Thank you very much

[hinneinisannidanni]

REALLY? This was produced with timidity? What soundfont are you using? It sounds quite good, I think.

[brescianello]

I use SFs chosen among various collection downloaded freely here and there

after downloading some giga I can made my fovourite collection

[lovesGenet]

Brilliant. I love this .More than the piano version I dont want to say but i was mystified.Gorgeous sound world .Enigmatic . #2 my fave piece was inspired .

[Kenisnotthemayor]

What a gorgeous arrangement of these lovely piano pieces.

[wesleyan97]

Nice Klangfarbenmelodie.