Pornography the Training Ground

[rabbinero]

In fact, the material that Bundy refers to in his interview seems to be the lurid crime/detective magazines of the time, which often illustrated their stories with pictures of scantily-clad -- not nude -- women in dire situations. That Bundy viewed this material as pornographic is itself an indication of his existing psychopathy rather than a causative factor.

This is all assuming that we are to take him at his word regarding his own past, which is in itself extremely dubious.

[OutOnBailNow]

I am no fan of pornography but the notion that Bundy committed his atrocities because he looked at Playboy porn as a youngster is totally ridiculous. Bundy was a pyschopath and you couldn't believe a word he said. He blamed drugstore porn in the interview because he knew he was on his way to the chair and thought he had nothing to lose by stirring up things.

[VictorLepanto]

I am in my 40s. As a child, my brother & I broke into our father's porn stash. It was mostly old '60s era Playboys. I remember a joke in the old joke section they used t have. It was about two old cutes going into brothel. I won't elaborate. The punchline had to do w/ man sexually abusing a prepubescent girl. I myself was about 10 when I discovered this stuff. Yeah. I believe this. It makes perfect sense to me. Kinsey & many "sexologists" are trying to normalize kiddie porn.

[matthewlane]

really? Playboy caused bundy to kill people? Are you sure it wasn't the repressed society, the bible (because i bet he read that at some point) or maybe the fact that he was a freaking psychopath!

[RobotShoppingCenter]

Paul Cameron and Judith Renman are right on GLBT study.

[Prahgress]

when the end comes to end your body belongs to ... God... or the Devil

[Sephlock]

@Prahgress Or the dust mites. They always get their share.

[MrChainnova]

Jesus fucking Christ Femenazis and their world views.

Pro tip: read up and study violent psychopaths for fucks sake you wretched old windbag.

[nameofthepen]

I like this lady very much. Thanks for the upload.

[R0undAboutMidnight]

FACT: Jack the Ripper was a regular visitor to xtube and spankwire.

[MrLoverleexxx]

All crap

[Dzoshu]

Utter bullshit

[lorenzoisdaman]

She should grow a dick and grab some male hormones before talking about how bad porn is.

[TakashiMiike17]

Wow, you make some pretty incredible assumptions here. I think you take Bundy at his word only because it is convenient for you to do so. Also, Playboy is not sexually explicit at all. It is simply nudity and so it is rather cultural interpretation that makes it sexual//immoral/disturbing. Therefore, wouldn't a more open attitude toward sex, nudity & porn make a childs sexual maturation less traumatic?

[queerbuzz]

Interesting video, thank you for posting.

[justin10292000]

Correction, HolyHell: you are a moronic troll.

[HolyHellPreacher]

I want to kill Dr. Reisman and defile her corpse. It's porno's fault!

[HolyHellPreacher]

Pornography trained me to become a rapist, murderer, necrophile, necrophagist, corprophagist, cannibal, kleptomaniac, sex addict, pedophile, homosexual and last but not least, voyeur, pathological liar. This is spot on! Luck for me, I'm an organized sociopath and have eluded arrest.

[MrJastin]

99.9 percent of rapest have had bread in there life. I guess we should ban that too?

[rios9000]

One case proves nothing, assuming that what Ted Bundy said was even accurate. I sincerely doubt he would have been just fine if he hadn't watched porn when he was young. I certainly think porn is a bad idea for young people. I also think watching porn is probably a bad idea because it builds unrealistic expectations. However, there is no evidence that porn leads to rape. Read "Proof that Internet Porn Prevents Rape" by Steven Landsburg in Slate magazine

[TheProphiting1]

I just watched a porn and now i'm having the urge to......lol

[scaryflakybiscuits]

I saw a lot of soft porn images when I was a kid. I never became a murderer or a rapist as didn't the vast majority of men who saw stuff like that as a kid. It's laughably over simplistic to explain Ted Bundy as a product of playboy magazine. There have always been scumbags like Bundy with or without pornography.

[mrsandoz]

This Christian Nutcase has just stated that Ted Bundy

became a serial killer because he read Playboy as a

kid! Can this be true? What about the fact that he was

a Psychopath? People like this believe there is only

one correct view of sex--THEIRS--and anything else

is perverted.

[monkeyboy648]

I think you'll find Dr Reisman is Jewish.

[mrsandoz]

I appreciate the correction.

[MaxSafeheaD]

All the same.

[funk7000]

@mrsandoz Pornography effects the brain in a myriad of negative ways. Playboy is often the introduction to more extreme forms of pornography. To say what we see doesn't effect what we do is ludricrus. Just google "Pornography addiction forums" explore all the users on the forums and their comments as far as how their addiction has affected their lives and the struggles they are facing to overcome it. One doesn't need to be a Bible thumper to have common sense.

[PINKxxFLOYD]

if women put out like whores then blokes wouldnt need to rape, so basically its all the womens fault.

I always like to put a little somethin somethin in there drink first at least that way they cant remember it the next day, see thoughtfull eh

[eljagg01]

Criminalize buying sex.

Not selling it.

Attempting to stop supply is obviously ineffective, and hurts those who are already exploited. Crush the demand.

[theflyingmadcap]

dude, your sooo onto it. i couldnt aggree more

[eljagg01]

How on EARTH would legalizing the flesh trade stop trafficking? Why would those involved in prostitution choose to subject themselves to state inspection? How many pimps would allow it?

[acme181169]

It may surprise you to know that some women actually enjoy sex, not only have I met some, I'm actually married to one.

I know, crazy! Women who like sex, it hardly seems possible! I must be the luckiest person in the world to have met the few women on this entire planet who like to have sex with members of the opposite sex!

I also think they were fully aware of the ramifications of consenting to have sex with me!

How lucky was I????

[eljagg01]

I'm a woman who enjoys sex. Not being spit on, choked, slapped, called a b*tch/cunt/whore, or made to do degrading things. But intimacy.

People enjoy eating. Doesn't mean McDonald's isn't disgusting. If you think the acts depicted in porn are enjoyable to women, you've a lot of empathy to learn.

[acme181169]

Have you actually read any of my comments? I suggest you do! At no point do I actually endorse pornography. To use your Mcdonalds analogy, its not one of the biggest food chains in the world because everybody hates it!!

Also, I think you'll find the acts that you describe are at the extremes, and while I agree that it is distastful, to suggest it is 'mainstream' is just dishonest!

I repeat my orginal statement: - Pornography may be harmful, but you need a better arguement .

[eljagg01]

There IS no better argument than pornography being harmful. Sure as hell not one that clings to free speech. :)

[acme181169]

you're obviously out of you're depth here!

Perhaps we should just leave it there, you've already humiliated yourself enough with your moronic comments.

[eljagg01]

The word YOU'RE looking for is "YOUR". I'm out of MY depth, not a contraction. :)

Moronic comments? Such as the implication that objections to pornography are made out of FEAR of female sexuality, and not in advocacy of it? I feel sorry for your wife. :P

[45axelh]

@eljagg01 Not all women think exactly the way you do. People have different fetishes and so on... Don't try to say every single woman in the world has the same opinions as you.

[eljagg01]

@45axelh Not all men think as you do, nor should you imply it.

[45axelh]

@eljagg01 There are legal whore houses in Amsterdam and in some places in America. What happened with the prohibiton against alcohol ? You are ignorant.

[eljagg01]

@45axelh Selling alcohol is hardly analogous to selling human bodies.

[45axelh]

@eljagg01 no, but the ban on them are ... sex is a primal desire in all human beings, people will always want to pay for it, why not regulate it so it doesn't go underground ( Al Capone was born from the ban on alcohol.

[eljagg01]

@45axelh What, exactly, about legal sanction would end it's connection to rape and drug use?

[PurrfectlyCute]

@eljagg01 Prostituiton is not connected to rape OR drug use. Those things go on WITHOUT prostitution in any case.

[eljagg01]

@45axelh Certain people will always WANT to kill others- we might as well legalise that as well, eh?

[45axelh]

@eljagg01 alright no point in talking to you anymore, so wanting to have a sex life is the same as being a murderer ? I'm sorry but you're too dumb to talk to.

[eljagg01]

@45axelh I was drawing an analogy between your laughable argument to legalise prostitution- that some people "want" to do something, so it should be sanctioned. Wanting to rent human bodies is likewise disgusting to most of society, hence the codification against it, and ad hominems on your part will hardly change that.

[PurrfectlyCute]

@eljagg01 Actually, many americans believe it should be legal. It's religious nut balls and feminists that demand it be unlawful. It's absurd that a consensual sex act be illegal in a free society. Sex is legal, money is legal. Yet put togethet they are illegal. I am an escort in ATL and what I do is absolutely my right. My body is mine. A client owns his as well. If it takes part indoors, people need to STFU and mind their own business. There's worse issues to worry about.

[acme181169]

HOW is it possible to unknowingly give consent?

[eljagg01]

She means to knowingly consent while being ignorant of the full ramifications, which would NOT be consented to otherwise.

[MrsStutheit]

Do you know how many outbreaks the porno industry has had. Stds, hiv. Don't forget that all this actors go home and fuck other people. Not to mention a womans body isn't even able to withstand a lot of the shit they make you do. I don't think all porn is wrong, but where they beat the shit outta women, and spit on them. That just crosses the line with me.

[MoonAharshMistress]

Ok folks.

I hope the below dialogue should illustrate why a serious campaigner should never give a serious, mild-mannered response to "industry insider" operatives that operate on youtube, even taking the author (borisnata) up on issues(first post) which she duly answers.

Anti-feminists always assume women are too polite to answer them back. Why? Cos, women are knee-jerk polite to men, hence rape .

Ppl like acme come unstuck if they cant dominate, and then say something like the below

[acme181169]

OK, lets clear this up, I believe in total freedom for all consenting adults. It should be up to the individual to decide what they want to do. This means I support legalising ALL drugs and prostitution and that license's to trade in these items should be under state control rather than under the control of criminals. Keeping these things illegal keeps them out of control.

Trafficking is disgraceful, the only way to stop it IS to make prostitution legal.

[acme181169]

As an Adult it should be my choice to do what I like with my body. Moon, you should also be extended the same rights. I do not and cannot determine what you do with your body. The government, by declaring that drugs and prostitution are illegal in effect place me (should I choose to indulge in these things) at the mercy of criminals.

I would also like to make it clear that I have never been involved with either drugs or prostitution.

[MoonAharshMistress]

I'm glad to hear it. very glad.

But I can also see that u are British, and therefore u know very well that prostitution (unlike drugs) is perfectly legal in this country & yet we have one of the biggest trafficking ops in the world

it is under the legal banner that trafficking is here, and indeed women

who run trafficking empires are not even called traffickers anymore, they are legally known as "escort agency managers" making girls more at the mercy of danger than ever before in history

[MoonAharshMistress]

I dont want my rights extended to the point where i am free to unknowingly consent to be abused by others because i am not in receipt of information that the people that i am consenting to are people who will traffick me....what i would rather have, is a paternalistic government that is in receipt of the facts banning a damaging practice on my behalf so i dont become an unknowing victim of it.

No girl or woman should be left to fend for herself against forces she has no understanding of. NO ONE

[Kagatori]

I love rape, but ive never been into porn, but I guess its each to their own

[eljagg01]

If you're truly interested in the subject, Antipornographyblog has links to many peer-reviewed studies of both porn stars and those who consume pornography.

And...ad hominem. Again.

Out.

[eljagg01]

Most come from backgrounds of childhood sexual abuse and are experiencing chemical addictions.

Ad hominem attacks on me doesn't change anything.

[eljagg01]

Prostitution is legal. It just has to be filmed.

My example was perfectly analogous: oppressed people have limited choice.

[eljagg01]

People suffering from the effects of childhood sexual abuse and often poverty often have very few actual CHOICES.

That's like claiming child prostitution is moral, since children in the third world need to eat. Disgusting.

It is only the desperate and mentally unstable who actively seek lives of abuse, often because it is all they have ever known. Pornography perpetuates abuse in our culture, it doesn't help ANYONE except pimps.

[daganliberal]

I am a pacifist. I have an IQ of over 130. I am 15. I am currently involved in politics and mathematics. And I look at pornography(I´m porn-mad).

For the people who think that it causes date rape, two words: sex education.

[eljagg01]

Pacifism doesn't include supporting exploitation.

[daganliberal]

Pacifism simply means I don't hurt others. I don't hurt others by looking at porn, so I have no reason not to do it.

[eljagg01]

That's an unproven and hotly-contested premise you have there....

[daganliberal]

How possibly would me looking at porn hurt anyone?

[eljagg01]

The same way overexposure to wanton violence is desensitizing?

And if you pay for it, you're funding the exploitation and suffering involved...

Maybe you should research the effects of your own behavior yourself?

[daganliberal]

1. I watch it for free

2. Studies have shown that not only is masturbation physically healthy for you, but it releases sexual tension and makes one less likely to rape.

[eljagg01]

Masturbation exists separately from porn...

Incidence of rape has increased six-fold since Playboy's first issue. Rape psychologically has little to do with release of sexual tension, and everything with objectification of the victim.

Again...independent research, perhaps?

[TheMoFauxs]

word.

and people will say that it is pornography that makes more people rape. i just say that it is not porn, but that the population as increased dramatically. And religion could be getting more sexually frustrating than in the past.

and its wierd to see you comment the same video i am wtching and you replied to my comments. what are the odds.

it must be god!

fuck that. Hes not real.

[eljagg01]

lol :D

[daganliberal]

More than independent research: Look up "chart of rape crimes to exposure of pornography" on google" you'll see various results. Also, wikipedia helps verify it, but it isn't much of a valid source. Look at something that has no argument either way but just provides facts. (Also don't look at a religious site, that's including atheism, christianity, etc)

[MoonAharshMistress]

masturbate without looking at porn or a kids pair of panties u idle, unimaginative shit

[MoonAharshMistress]

Thats the problem with sexual exploitation it is the one crime men from all walks of life , are quite happy to rationalise away..you even get communists going on how much they love porn as tho it hadnt occurred to them that equality for mankind, entails gender equality also!

An Incredible blind spot (and hypocricy)of so-called intelligent and logical men that organised crime plays right in to.

[DEADHEROS81]

Bundy was destined to do this regardless of anything, he was simply a highly sexed, and very sick individual. This lady is a quack.

[whyshouldI303]

Child abuse has been around long before the printing press. Ted Bundy was transferring his responsability for his crimes onto pornography.

Keep children away from porn yes, it is a form of abuse, prosecute child abusers aggresivly. Most countries that have banned porn are totalterian states Iran, Pakistan, Arabia etc. The way they treat their women child brides, death for adultry etc. Discuss

[snicolesmith1984]

I think there were a lot of reasons Ted Bundy was they way he was and to assume it was simply because of pornography is slightly absurd. I DO NOT agree with porn, I don't support it in any way shape or form, but seeing naked women at any early age was probably just one of MANY things that created the psychopathic soup that was Ted Bundy.

[littlegreenjason]

It's our society's backwards puritanical attitude towards sex that's the problem; not porn.

The US has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the developed world and one of the highest in abortion. Why? Because we force our children to be ignorant about sex and then blame the media, movies, video games and everything else on their behavior instead of looking at the real cause: lack of education.

It's the prevailing conservative "moral" view of sex that is unnatural and causing the most harm.

[MoonAharshMistress]

shall i tell u why teenage girls get pregnant?

Cos when they were raped by adults as children they never got pregnant.

Children cant get pregnant obviously. They got educated that sex does not equal conception...then when they hit puberty and the pedophile no longer wants them , they sleep with other men and boys who know they will not insist on contraception(they have no "education" of using contraception) and thus they fall pregnant.

[MoonAharshMistress]

The only govt that has ever admitted this finding is Canada..

Children dont need to be taught sex, or taught not to have sex...children need to stop being raped

[sankalp4499]

WELLL WE SOULD UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE IS NOT TOPPER...k SO NOT EVERYONE IS MENTALY STRONG. PEOPLE WILL DO STUPID THINGS WHEN THEY WATCH PORN.. AND YEH ......PORN IS HARMFUL..

[CharlieBurke]

The truth is that rapists lack of any kind of moral or ethical basis for deciding wisely, porn is an scape goat for all the people who denies a good kind of education for young men and decide to blame porn, violent content media as triggers for violent and sexually abusive behavior. Is too easy to blame porn, instead of really analyzing the real reason because there are many rapists out there.

[JaenReese]

Please.. This women is mad. Her prejudices are astounding.

[ShadowPa1adin]

Judith Reisman's doctorate is in Communications. She is a quack who spouts off bullshit about neurology, calling normal brain chemicals like glucose, dopamine, and serotonin "erototoxins".

She is also a holocaust revisionist, saying that gays were behind the holocaust and not victims of it (Google "The Pink Swastika").

[fix4]

Judeo-Christian values refers to what you may call morality.

Meaning they both set out to demonize certain actions in order to reduce every one to following their will. In other words, they invent things such as evil (mainly things from the Roman Empire) that they wee unable to do. The roots of christian morality are formed from jealous, that formed into absolute hatred, of the Roman Empire.

But enough of that, the point I wanted to make was: Feminists should eat a dick, literally...

[floydianworld]

If rape is sexual dysfunction, then porn might go SOME way in alleviating this.

Problem is it adds on layers of OTHER sexual dysfunction on men's sexuality.

Not forgetting either that rape is very rare and most men do not rape, but sexual dysfunction from feminist porn is now extremely common among the male populace.

[MoonAharshMistress]

rape isnt very rare. one in five girls are raped as children. and one in 8 boys are molested by their fathers.

Only 10% of adult rapes are reported and only 4% of that 10% go to trial ..about 10% of that 4 percent are successful(ie "proven" without doubt)

Rape is all but legal in name.

[floydianworld]

There is no "porn/rape connection". The only connection is that porn diverts men's sexual desire/energy, reducing it, and thus reduces the incidence of rape. A number of studies prove this - a major one from Japan did recently.. No matter how much feminists want to repeat this shit, it isn't true.

[exigel]

Lol, it's her from pen and teller bullshit. she did softporn before, its true, watch that pen and teller episode about addiction to porn!

[zxygh]

Reisman claims that pornography is addictive and pornography overides any ability for human beings to practice self control. If this is true, then how can Reisman look at pornography and remain unaffected?

[quemacha]

I guess because she's female and most females don't find that arousing.

[Unborn108]

Whatever you are addicted to,it does show that you have become its slave. You are no longer your own master,regardless of how successful you have become in life. This is sad. Diego Maradona is a case in point.

[floydianworld]

Absolutely and that is one of the reasons why porn is feminist. One of feminism's core objectives is controlling men's sexuality, and porn does this extremely efficiently.

[dynastychick3]

Porn is feminist?!?! That's the most ridiculous statement I've heard in a long time. Is it all women creating and directing the porn films?! I don't think so; it's both men and women. Bottom line. Sex sells, so porn sells. Men make the choice to watch it, make the choice to look at Playboy, make the choice to walk into a strip club. That's such BS. It's like saying the gun is responsible instead of the individual.

[mm3861]

She's right about pornography being addictive.

But so is alcohol..... gambling... chocolate... religion.... exercise... drugs.... television.. etc....etc..

[floydianworld]

There are a number of reasons why porn is more addictive than any of the above.

Mainly because of primal desire, evolutionary desire to reproduce, being exploited.

[daganliberal]

Don't forget potato chips and Facebook!

[mm3861]

If pornography didn't exist, there would be a few of these anti-porn crusaders trying to ban the underwear ads from the newspaper. But the truth is... The male animal loves to look at naked women. Before Judea/Christian values spread through civilization, men screwed everything and anything that crept on the face of the planet ...if it would hold still! Pornography is not a CAUSE of moral depravity.... it is a SYMPTOM ;)

[floydianworld]

"Before Judea/Christian values spread through civilization"

There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian values" no matter how much TIME Magazine and Jews repeat the phrase.

There are Jewish values, i.e. derived from the Talmud and Rabbis.

There are Christian values, i.e. derived form Jesus Christ and the Bible.

But there are no "Judeo-Christian" values. The Pagan Bablyonian Talmud which informs "Judaism" is incompatible with the teachings of Christ.

[KismetGirl525]

What a nut!

[Hierophant2]

Erototoxins Judith is a nut

[morgs2020]

I might be thinking of some other serial killer, but I think I watched a documentary on Tedd Bundy and it said he was interested in comics with references to bondage in them, not your typical boobs out porno.

There dosn't seem to be any evidence that violent media creates killers but that people with these tendancies are attracted to it.

[otastko]

This woman is an utter fraud. Poor science, flawed theories, erroneous methodology. She actually thinks there was a homosexual conspiracy guiding the Nazi's genocide of Jews.

[HarmIessPerv]

Ted Bundy exhibited typical serial killer signs. The issue here is INNATE brain chemistry. Bundy used non-X-rated pulp fiction images of damsels in distress as porn. Most people would not be sexually aroused by those types of images because of their normal brain chemistry.

[BellaxStrega]

Actually he was addicted to violent hardcore pornography.

[MoonAharshMistress]

Actually, Bundy was exposed to porn/sex from childhood(ie child abuse) froma young age because his mother was a prostitute who brought clients home.

This fits in with the ladys argument that sexual dysfunction is "caused", (child access to pornography/dysfunction etc) and thus is not chemical or innate ... if rapists are "caused" by child abuse and pornography then it really does knock the argument that there is nothing triggering about pornography.. u could be sexually aroused by the image

[MoonAharshMistress]

of a damsel in distress if you had witnessed your parent many times being screwed by abusive clients when u were at a young age unable to make sense of such disturbing acts ..a bit like child war victims/child soldiers etc that get messed up/ssadistic... nothing whatsoever to do with brain chemistry, but rather the way a developing young brain pschologically organises itself.

Read the literature: a normal, peaceful, loving childhood with boundaries produces non-disturbed, non-abusive adults

[TheMathGuy]

(sorry about the double post! It looked like it hadn't posted the first time)

[TheMathGuy]

I've heard this argument before. But does pornography turn people into rapists, or do people who are inclined to become rapists tend to like pornography? I would tend to believe the latter given the thousands of people who watch pornography and never commit rape or sexual crimes. I really don't think pornography is the root of the problem.

[MoonAharshMistress]

Pornography doesnt turn people into rapists, but it says there is something ok and normal about the idea.

Quite often rapists are confused after being arrested for rape , saying they assumed the woman wanted it or they were doing nothing that isnt portrayed in popular culture generally.

Being exposed to pornography as a child definately increases the chances of consuming child pornography as an adult/being another adult abuser...so does pornography have a corrupting effect.? .then yes.

[TheMathGuy]

I've heard this argument before. Does pornography produce rapists, or do people inclined to become rapists tend to like pornography? I'm inclined to believe the latter given the thousands of people who watch pornography and don't ever commit rape or sexual crimes.

[dswex]

no. this is ridiculous, in my opinion

[quemacha]

And yet, Naomi Wolf had an interesting take in a New Yorker Magazine column a few years ago. She wrote that porn doesn't turn men into Ted Bundys as much as it dulls their libido in relation to real women. It whets their appetites for the women in magazines and films, not for the women next door. Any coincidence that there are so many male sexual dysfunction drugs on the market now? Or that so many seemingly attractive women can't get asked out on dates?

[HarmIessPerv]

It's a numbers game, quemacha. Many women can't find men to date because there are more women than men.

[MoonAharshMistress]

Women, through no fault of their own cant find men for these reasons:

1. 10% of men are homosexual(and 50% of that number were sexually abused by men as children..that is sociologically very high statistic)

2. 10% men, are exclusive pedophiles

3. 10% men are sadistic/misogynist/sexist/unp­leasant

This leaves a figure around 70% of men that actuallydesire women positively.

Take out the men who are worth knowing, they are all married, an you are left with a figure of about 40% eligible men

[MoonAharshMistress]

Now consider that out of this 40% , there are going to be men, who claim that is ok to spend there whole time looking at porn(ie other women) cos it turns them on.

The poor women has to ask herself, where does she fit into the picture as a love object, positively desired and worthy of love and exclusive sex?

the majority of men are too busy having sex with kids, men, or being sadistic with prostitutes, or, if shes lucky, hes watching porn.

Its not exactly turn on for eligible women y'know!

[MoonAharshMistress]

the child abuse, the pornography, go hand in hand to keep chances of a woman faling in love with a sound, decent red-blooded male,statistically low..

Womens chances of procreating early, gets thwarted ..

but the sex industry acquires greater and greater wealth cos of the recidivist nature of sex crime,child abuse victims going on to child abuse(ie become homosexual/ exclusive pedophile) and so on.

The sex industry has done more damage to womens chances of having a partner than world war 1 .

[quemacha]

Clearly, the pre-Playboy era was a much safer time. We've all heard stories from our parents and grandparents about how most people didn't lock their doors at night. Even with greater institutionalized sexism, women weren't expected to do oral on the first date as they are now. Cont'd

[ralphtheray]

Women aren't "expected" to do ANYTHING on a first date. a great example of how it's important to remember that anyone can post on youTUBE.

[quemacha]

Would most men date a woman who wouldn't have sex before marriage?

[tiberianfallout]

wow, what a bitch.has she ever thought that maybe the rapes were due to sexual repression by bitches like herself?

[mrbarister]

Interesting theory. I've often wondered this myself. You can't really argue against porn unless all parties in a debate share the same moral foundation. I'm a Christian, and believe that God has only the best intentions for my life. I need to obey his word, because as I've found. If I don't I only end up hurting myself. I am more than the sum of my desires. It's what sets us apart from the animals. Take control of your mind.

[supreme227]

tiberianfallout thats probably the most hilliarous comment I've ever read!

[MoonAharshMistress]

a real rapist's  comment that one..

o, of course, no-ones a rapist are they?

[acme181169]

Was drinking coffee or soda? the point i'm making is that there is not necessarily correlation between porn and violence. The fact that millions and millions of people use porn everyday and never commit any sexual offence is perhaps more relevant!

[nurabsol]

The point is that there is a correlation between the prevalence of smut in our society and the increasing problem of rape and child abuse. The objectifying of people, women in particular, by reducing them to objects of sexual desire, creates a certain mentality on the part of men. This mentality is obvious in today's media and has gone as far as elevating the prostitute to an archetype.

[acme181169]

I disagree COMPLETLY, study after study has shown that rape is about control and has no negligable link with pornography, there are many experts that also believe it has very little to do with sex! Have you considered that perhaps porn actually offers people a release of sexual tension through masturbation!?

[MoonAharshMistress]

Rape is control through the medium of sex....it is both ..

.child abuse is power thru sex... .prostitution is power thru sex... pornography is power thru sex (which is why the girl is forced to her knees to give a blow job) .. if the power elements which are acted out visually are lost on you, you must be pretty stupid..just cos it turns you on is irrelevant, maybe u are turned on by the sight of women being overpowered but you just cant accept the reality of what you are seeing.

[acme181169]

The medium is almost irrelavent! Rape is about CONTROL! Love can and is expressed through sex, can someone be lovingly raped?

Oral sex can be administerd in any number of ways.

Prostitution- who has the power?

Power elements- I've made no comments whatsoever on what turns me on....big assumption on your part!

you must be pretty stupid..just cos it turns you on is irrelevant..........you must be pretty stupid..just cos it turns you OFF is irrelevant......touche.

still a strawman!

[MoonAharshMistress]

still a strawman? who ? where? what are you talking about ? Have you been looking up "argument" terms on Wikipedia and then bandying them about to make yourself look smart?

Too bad.

You say 'nowhwre did I say it turns me on', but likewise, Nowhere did i say that it turns me off(now how daft does that sound.? Pretty daft, so "touche" back) : p

You were expressing sentiments that porn is a release, I took it to mean it got you off personally, or else why say it. Hardly an assumption,

[MoonAharshMistress]

more a conclusion drawn from what you have consciously stated here.

O, also "In prostitution who has the power?"

Well, pornography empires,  an rich organised trafficking cartels and their powerful wealthy male patrons, usually.

[MoonAharshMistress]

Also Acme69 why have you sent me a Brass Eye sketch that sends up the media on pedophilia. ?

That is unsolicited and a bit abusive as far as im concerned. I dont want any personal messasges from u thank you very much

If youve got anything to say to me then have the decency and the backbone to say it here on the forum, otherwise go back to looking at rape porn or whatever it is that you normally do.

[acme181169]

You're just silly & reactive. Get some dignity!

You're just wildly throwing around stats on here with NOTHING to back them up!

Giving you're own opinion is fine, but if you intend to support it with facts and figures and want to remain credible, I suggest you quote your sources. The brass eye clip was sent to highlight just how outragous some of your assertions are! I resent the tone you use to address myself and others on this post. It sugests that unless we agree with you, we are rapists!

[littlegreenjason]

MoonAharshMistress obviously has some sort of agenda so just let her spout off her nonsense and eventually she'll peter out.

[MoonAharshMistress]

"the brass eye clip was sent to highlight how outrageaous your assertions are"

No: the brass eye clip was sent to trigger a reaction from someone unfamiliar with a comedy that appears to take the piss out of pedophiliphilia in order to get a rise out of me that u could then further humiliate.

jackass.

Grow up

and, again, stop posting pedophile/pornography sentiments on a site that is discussing such a serious matter

[acme181169]

You're a bit out of your depth really arn't you!!!

Perhaps you should stick to discussing sofa patterns or hair styles. Serious Women, such as my Wife are more than capable, of expressing their opinion, yet strangly don't feel the need to support people such as yourself!

Perhaps you should spend a little moretime researching than asserting!

Stop being a silly little girl in a grown up world!

Perhaps you should go to college and get a "QUALIFICATION" then we will all sit down & listen!

[MoonAharshMistress]

urrr.  ?

ok dude

[acme181169]

If any of that were true there would be litrally thousands of Ted Bundys killing millions of poeople every year, This is a straw man arguement. Pornography may be harmful, but you need a better arguement

[borisnata]

Thanks, I think your point is valid in regards to a serial killer. "Porn does not create serial killers" As the title states I am really trying to emphasize that in about 90% of all child molestations and rapes pornography has been a prevalent factor in the perpetrators life. This is just a small excerpt for hours of footage that I have shot and really doesn't tell the whole story..I should be adding more in the umpcoming weeks. Thanks again for your honest comment

[floydianworld]

Yeah it's a feminist lie.

"Pornography may be harmful, but you need a better arguement"

Exactemondo baby.