This dance is full of Tajik Persian perfume. It is of Persian style, from costume, dacing steps, etc. It is definitely not Uighur style. If this is Uighur dance, it can be only expained as Uighur learn from Tajik Persians and transform with some Uighur elements. It is said by Tajiks that Uighurs are in preference to claim some Tajik culture as theirs simply because these 2 groups have some remote common sets. Uighurs are much more Turk-based, not Persian, common sense.
You are right my friend. The music is a wellknown Tajik music from a movie. However, the dancer is the most famous Uyghur dancer-Dilnar Abdulla. Also, Uyghur musical instruments are used to perform the music. Because we Uyghurs and Tajiks live together, so it is very natural that we have some common in our cultures, it is not we claim Tajik culture as our own, while we have enough of ours. I hope you can appreciate the dancer as being a Uyghur dancing the Tajik dance this beautifully.
I know that before Uyghur occupied Turkistan, Eastern Persians were living here. So Uyghur inherited a substantial Eastern Persian blood and Uyghur music was heavily influenced by Persian music elements. Tajiks were forced to move to Pamir after Uyghur occupation of Turkistan.
What you said is funny! If Uyghurs forced Tajiks move to Pamir as you said that implies Uyghurs were stronger (although I do not believe Uyghurs forced Tajiks to move ), so Uyghurs definitely would not inherit your so called Persian culture, but would inforce Uyghur culture on Tajiks, this is simple logic. Besides, you are wrong to say Uyghur music heavily influenced by Persian music, I wonder if you are saying this only because of this video. Uyghur music is unique from Persian music for sure.
@yardandy Before being forced to move a long distance from Mongolian Plateau to Turpan and Tarim Basin, Uyghurs were mainly nomad tribes. At that time, Eastern Persians had been living there for over a thousand years and created a stunning civilisation from Buddhism art to Court Music and Dance. Compared to Persians, Uyghurs were much less civilised. Persian culture had a great influence in Tang Dynasty and was in great preference of Tang.
@yardandy Uyghurs therefore got married with the locals and accepted Persian culture. It is similar to the case that Manchurians accepted and was civilised by ancient Han culture when they occupied Ming Dynasty. Both Manchurians and Uyghurs, they had little options but to accept and follow the more advanced civilisation.
@qilinmelb I think you are just a stupid brain-washed persian nationalist. You have no evidence in saying Persians taught Tang and Uyghur rulers in the past. If we learnt everything from you, we would be the same. We have our own impressive culture created by our ancestors. Uyghur culture has nothing similar to Manchurians, and they almost disappeared from the world, while Uyghur culture is shining. Whatever you say praising your own by demeaning other cultures, it only makes you stupid.
@yardandy I am araid I have to let you down. I am not a stupid brain-washed Persian either in Iran or Tajikistan, but a Chinese in Australia. What I believe from the history records and archeology is that ancient Persian culture was in much soveignty than Turk culture and more civilised. The only tragedy is that ancient Persia was defeated by Arabs who used to be barbarians and their culture was ruined. More tragic, Uyghurs abandoned their Buddhism reliegion and followed Arabs.
@qilinmelb Well, I do not care if you were not Persian, but what you say is just stupid. Your history books may told you that, but my history books do not say the same. It is pointless to argue whose culture was more civilized in the past, but it evident Turkic cultures contributed the world so much through histories. Uyghurs are proud to be Muslims, you have no right to judge our religion as we do not care what religion you follow, We do not need you to tell us what to do, screw you racist!!
@yardandy History books in China never say anything against Uyghur. Instead, it highyl regard Uyghur culture as one of the most important and shining in Chinese history. All above is my personal view from my knowledge towards the history. It has to do nothing with Chinese education and propoganda. Chinese education never produce tentions betwen ethnic groups in China, it promotes equality of ethnicity. But from the reality, Uyghur are sometimes discriminated from their attitude and behaviours.
@yardandy The attitude towards Uyghur from Han Chinese pointof view is pretty much the same as the Japanese view towards modern Chinese. Chinese abandoned quite a lot of its own traditions of which are kept in Japan to a certain extent. This is somehow same as Chinese view towards Uyghur. Before Islamic era, we all shared the similar religion with cultural exchange to a large extent. Only after 13th century, with masacre of Musilms from central Asia, Buddism was eliminated.
@yardandy Our ties were cut off and Xinjaing was isolated from Ming Dynasties. Conflicts started to build up since then. Before Islam era, there was little discrimination towards ancient Xinjiang. Ancient Chinese had emotional complex tied to central Asia and ancient Persia regarding the art of Buddism and music/dance. Just like Japanese somehow treasures Tang Dynasty and its culture even nowadays. Chinese share the same emotions.
@yardandy Only from Tajik music and dance, I can still feel and trace a little of lost civilisation in Tarim Basin before Islam. I could hardly find these elements in Uyghur culture, but Arab and Islamic elements. So thats the reason I have greater preference towards Tajik music and dance. Xinjiang has a great civilised history far beyond Islam era where Uyghur ancestors and Persians lived. Read history in the region before Islamic era, you will find more and understand what I am talking about.
@qilinmelb I have read history before the Islamic era in the region. Uyghurs created the highest level of Buddhist culture including wall painting, music and dance in the world during Kok Turk Khaghanate and Uyghur Orhon Kingdom periods. It is true that Soghdi people were living western part of Taklamakan desert by then, and we have accepted their script for some period, but Uyghurs had scripts even before that, it was only one of the scripts Uyghurs used through histories.
@qilinmelb When ancestors of Uyghurs were living in old Uyghur Empire and Hon Empire periods, Uughur tribes were the leading tribe and had the high level of civilization. I am not sure if the books you read talked about that or not. I did not say Chinese history books, and I am not political for your note, so do not try to take it to extreme by sounding as if I was accusing Chinese books, you may have read it in some others books written in other languages which I do not care about.
@qilinmelb I do not care if you prefer Tajik dance over Uyghur dance, it would be just like I prefer Korean dance over Chinese dance for my artistic taste. Everyone has different taste in art. Just know that the above video is a Tajik dance, NOT Uyghur dance performed by a well-round Uyghur dancer. That does not make Uyghurs learning dance from Tajiks.Just watch Uyghur dances from the Buddhist era, that may give you the trace of Uyghur Buddhist culture, Uyghur dance is just Uyghur not mixture.
@qilinmelb The history I read indicates that until the fall of uyghur empire, Uyghurs were forced to move to Tianshan and Tarim, they started to accept Buddhsm and became the new promotors and supports on Buddhsim sculpture and wall painting follwoing local persian tribes.
This is beautiful. I love the music and the dance. Two thumbs up.
empressoceaneye 1 year ago
China is a multi-cultural country and this is difinitely a dance performening by Xinjiang girls.
owenoury1 1 year ago
very nice, beautiful girl, beautiful dance.
davie2009march 2 years ago
This dance is full of Tajik Persian perfume. It is of Persian style, from costume, dacing steps, etc. It is definitely not Uighur style. If this is Uighur dance, it can be only expained as Uighur learn from Tajik Persians and transform with some Uighur elements. It is said by Tajiks that Uighurs are in preference to claim some Tajik culture as theirs simply because these 2 groups have some remote common sets. Uighurs are much more Turk-based, not Persian, common sense.
qilinmelb 2 years ago
You are right my friend. The music is a wellknown Tajik music from a movie. However, the dancer is the most famous Uyghur dancer-Dilnar Abdulla. Also, Uyghur musical instruments are used to perform the music. Because we Uyghurs and Tajiks live together, so it is very natural that we have some common in our cultures, it is not we claim Tajik culture as our own, while we have enough of ours. I hope you can appreciate the dancer as being a Uyghur dancing the Tajik dance this beautifully.
yardandy 2 years ago
I know that before Uyghur occupied Turkistan, Eastern Persians were living here. So Uyghur inherited a substantial Eastern Persian blood and Uyghur music was heavily influenced by Persian music elements. Tajiks were forced to move to Pamir after Uyghur occupation of Turkistan.
qilinmelb 2 years ago
What you said is funny! If Uyghurs forced Tajiks move to Pamir as you said that implies Uyghurs were stronger (although I do not believe Uyghurs forced Tajiks to move ), so Uyghurs definitely would not inherit your so called Persian culture, but would inforce Uyghur culture on Tajiks, this is simple logic. Besides, you are wrong to say Uyghur music heavily influenced by Persian music, I wonder if you are saying this only because of this video. Uyghur music is unique from Persian music for sure.
yardandy 2 years ago
@yardandy Before being forced to move a long distance from Mongolian Plateau to Turpan and Tarim Basin, Uyghurs were mainly nomad tribes. At that time, Eastern Persians had been living there for over a thousand years and created a stunning civilisation from Buddhism art to Court Music and Dance. Compared to Persians, Uyghurs were much less civilised. Persian culture had a great influence in Tang Dynasty and was in great preference of Tang.
qilinmelb 10 months ago
@yardandy Uyghurs therefore got married with the locals and accepted Persian culture. It is similar to the case that Manchurians accepted and was civilised by ancient Han culture when they occupied Ming Dynasty. Both Manchurians and Uyghurs, they had little options but to accept and follow the more advanced civilisation.
qilinmelb 10 months ago
@qilinmelb I think you are just a stupid brain-washed persian nationalist. You have no evidence in saying Persians taught Tang and Uyghur rulers in the past. If we learnt everything from you, we would be the same. We have our own impressive culture created by our ancestors. Uyghur culture has nothing similar to Manchurians, and they almost disappeared from the world, while Uyghur culture is shining. Whatever you say praising your own by demeaning other cultures, it only makes you stupid.
yardandy 10 months ago
@yardandy I am araid I have to let you down. I am not a stupid brain-washed Persian either in Iran or Tajikistan, but a Chinese in Australia. What I believe from the history records and archeology is that ancient Persian culture was in much soveignty than Turk culture and more civilised. The only tragedy is that ancient Persia was defeated by Arabs who used to be barbarians and their culture was ruined. More tragic, Uyghurs abandoned their Buddhism reliegion and followed Arabs.
qilinmelb 10 months ago
@qilinmelb Well, I do not care if you were not Persian, but what you say is just stupid. Your history books may told you that, but my history books do not say the same. It is pointless to argue whose culture was more civilized in the past, but it evident Turkic cultures contributed the world so much through histories. Uyghurs are proud to be Muslims, you have no right to judge our religion as we do not care what religion you follow, We do not need you to tell us what to do, screw you racist!!
yardandy 10 months ago
@yardandy History books in China never say anything against Uyghur. Instead, it highyl regard Uyghur culture as one of the most important and shining in Chinese history. All above is my personal view from my knowledge towards the history. It has to do nothing with Chinese education and propoganda. Chinese education never produce tentions betwen ethnic groups in China, it promotes equality of ethnicity. But from the reality, Uyghur are sometimes discriminated from their attitude and behaviours.
qilinmelb 10 months ago
@yardandy The attitude towards Uyghur from Han Chinese pointof view is pretty much the same as the Japanese view towards modern Chinese. Chinese abandoned quite a lot of its own traditions of which are kept in Japan to a certain extent. This is somehow same as Chinese view towards Uyghur. Before Islamic era, we all shared the similar religion with cultural exchange to a large extent. Only after 13th century, with masacre of Musilms from central Asia, Buddism was eliminated.
qilinmelb 10 months ago
@yardandy Our ties were cut off and Xinjaing was isolated from Ming Dynasties. Conflicts started to build up since then. Before Islam era, there was little discrimination towards ancient Xinjiang. Ancient Chinese had emotional complex tied to central Asia and ancient Persia regarding the art of Buddism and music/dance. Just like Japanese somehow treasures Tang Dynasty and its culture even nowadays. Chinese share the same emotions.
qilinmelb 10 months ago
@yardandy Only from Tajik music and dance, I can still feel and trace a little of lost civilisation in Tarim Basin before Islam. I could hardly find these elements in Uyghur culture, but Arab and Islamic elements. So thats the reason I have greater preference towards Tajik music and dance. Xinjiang has a great civilised history far beyond Islam era where Uyghur ancestors and Persians lived. Read history in the region before Islamic era, you will find more and understand what I am talking about.
qilinmelb 10 months ago
@qilinmelb I have read history before the Islamic era in the region. Uyghurs created the highest level of Buddhist culture including wall painting, music and dance in the world during Kok Turk Khaghanate and Uyghur Orhon Kingdom periods. It is true that Soghdi people were living western part of Taklamakan desert by then, and we have accepted their script for some period, but Uyghurs had scripts even before that, it was only one of the scripts Uyghurs used through histories.
yardandy 10 months ago
@qilinmelb When ancestors of Uyghurs were living in old Uyghur Empire and Hon Empire periods, Uughur tribes were the leading tribe and had the high level of civilization. I am not sure if the books you read talked about that or not. I did not say Chinese history books, and I am not political for your note, so do not try to take it to extreme by sounding as if I was accusing Chinese books, you may have read it in some others books written in other languages which I do not care about.
yardandy 10 months ago
@qilinmelb I do not care if you prefer Tajik dance over Uyghur dance, it would be just like I prefer Korean dance over Chinese dance for my artistic taste. Everyone has different taste in art. Just know that the above video is a Tajik dance, NOT Uyghur dance performed by a well-round Uyghur dancer. That does not make Uyghurs learning dance from Tajiks.Just watch Uyghur dances from the Buddhist era, that may give you the trace of Uyghur Buddhist culture, Uyghur dance is just Uyghur not mixture.
yardandy 10 months ago
@qilinmelb The history I read indicates that until the fall of uyghur empire, Uyghurs were forced to move to Tianshan and Tarim, they started to accept Buddhsm and became the new promotors and supports on Buddhsim sculpture and wall painting follwoing local persian tribes.
qilinmelb 10 months ago
superb :) but this dance looks more persian than chinese... am I right?
bogdancomm 2 years ago
This is an uighurian dance
Dsulai 2 years ago
@bogdancomm
no i don't think so. Cuz the term Chinese stand for 56 different cultures in China. Including the Jingzu (chinese-Vietnamese)
princeofwinter 1 year ago