Preemptive Strike Tactical Self Defense Trick

[MrParanormalist]

FANTASTIC video

[TheSwiftCee]

too much talk. more live action. and CONTACT! please.

[Yauzu16]

Best self-defense for a drunk: "hey, let me buy you a drink."

[NORMANGODS]

these are some great videos man, could u make a video of an attacker spontaneously attacking u wearing padding and actually fight for real, to show off your skills?

[cqctraining]

@NORMANGODS - Actually, me and a group of our ISCQC members just got back from RMCAT training in Colorado with full force response tactics. This self defense training is as realistic as you can get. Nothing like taking your knee into some guys family jewels as hard as you can to see if you could really pull it off in a real attack. I'll get some of the clips together and post them soon.

[NORMANGODS]

@cqctraining that would be great, looking forward to seeing them.

[bob23yer]

It would be interesting to see some techniques that you can use in a really tight environment like when you're in your seat on a bus or tram and some larger guys start hasseling you while you have barely the space to move. Does that excist?

[dirosaga]

lol, not to be arrogant, but without seeing this, i had an experience today and did all of that, precicely calculated. However, with some difference. didnt turn to the sude (thinking that maybe,as a stance, telegraphs pshyical escalation of the scenario). another differnce: was going to limbe punch, following through, his neck (which was open and exposed), then barrage strikes to throat and eyes, going immediately to his friend. Palm to face is not effective as damge: throat and eyes.

[dirosaga]

@dirosaga *limberly punch

[JINXcrew]

So if a guy does not accept my drinks then palm him in the nose !! Yell at him 'DUDE THATS NOT COOL' and send him to the deck.. Hiiiii yaaaaaarrrrrrrr :)

[ObamaSucks12345]

epic sweat stains on the green dude

[Giroutte]

i try that i got beat up #/

[golemkonty]

if you step aside and go to a stance its already a challenge! plus your second hand is too far for a second strike! i reccomend a win chun stance, and, yes, all the rest is good - lifting your hands and moving it in circular manner, but the advantage is that your hands will be closer ad after the first strike with first hand you just deliver the second with other hand in no time and continue your attack with third blow, etc. wing chun for life! peace!

[cqctraining]

@golemkonty - thanks for your input on the video! I'm a huge fan of wing chun techniques (see my video on a version of the straight blast).

There are a lot of advantages of the stance and follow up you pointed out. It's definitely an option. The challenge is to assume your wing chun stance without looking like you're getting ready to fight, you know?

Really appreciate your feedback on the video and you're welcome any time!

~ Jeff

[golemkonty]

@cqctraining yes, i agree with you! you just dont need to ben your knees in the real wing chuns stance - this can be a sign for your opponent too, but its not good for you as long as your center of gravity is not low and if he pushes you than you will fall, but thats where the hands in frot of you become handy! they re very close to him and you can react faster! so you need to hold them in front of your shoulders and so.... peace!

[cqctraining]

@golemkonty Ahhh...got it! I like the way you think BEYOND traditional wing chun techniques and look at street fighting practicality. DAMN I need to find a wing chun instructor near me!!! Do you find that it's possible to learn wing chun techniques from video? Any recommendations?

[golemkonty]

@cqctraining the basic principles are easy to understand even with watching videos, i recomend you to look at Master wong channel on youtube - he is great teacher,but in fact you need real training with miltiple partners ... its about physical contact and to forget all that you know bout fighting and side stances and a real practice with real partners! i recomend you to search a school near you, there is no matrial art that you can learn without going to school! sorry for my english! peace!

[Sillydemons]

@cqctraining I also would recommend Master Wong as a viable source of instruction in Wing Chun. The forward stance would be of greater benefit in this scenario because you don't shift your weight until you are striking/blocking; it gives the appearance of no stance at all and would definitely give you an advantage when you need to act/react. The submissive posture is very useful for it works on the subliminal level and any advantage is better than none.

[IRaaave]

@golemkonty its not hard to move your feet to land the right hand. anyway wc practitioners have incredible poor boxing skills which is one of the reason bruce lee moved away from it.

[golemkonty]

@IRaaave boxing skills? wc is a matrial art, boxing is a sport! in realtime situations its not good to have sport skills and sport thinking, its about most practical way of defence/counterattack and not giving a slight chance to the opponent - it may be about life and death, it doesnt matter what u use or if you play by the rules, it doesnt matter if u have good technique, it only matters to survive! noone can garantee u that your opponent is moral and ethical on the streets!

[IRaaave]

@golemkonty oh stop talking rubbish. let me rephrase it then: hand skills. punch technique. punch combinations. whatever you wana call it. you dont know enough about real fighting to discuss this anyway

[CrimsonGetsu]

@bluescountryfolk yes i agree with that..

[CrimsonGetsu]

@bluescountryfolk in any sport it is to your benefit to hit first..but the scenario is not a battle field, or a fighting round. Perhaps if take a back step and dodge a punch first, or mabie block, or even hit the guy as you see him getting ready to perform a punch it is acceptable as self defence. But if you suprizingly punch a guy in the face -especially if the guy is not in a fighting stance- to many it is consider starting the fight.

[CrimsonGetsu]

@bluescountryfolk in any sport it is it is to your benefit to hit first..but the scenario is not a battle field, or a fighting round. Perhaps if take a back step and dodge a punch first, or mabie block, or even hit the guy as you see him getting ready to perform a punch it is acceptable as self defence. But if you suprizingly punch a guy in the face -especially if the guy is not in a fighting stance- to many it is consider starting the fight.

[407sport]

I watched your video again when you strike, imagine you hold a grapefruit & smash it on the guy`s face ( almost the same what you have done on the video) the porcentage of getting one of your fingers in one of his eyes it´s 99% .

Our goal it´s not to destroy his eyeball I`am just fine irritating one of his eyes with a simple touch of his cornea, to make the person close his eyes ( I f he close one eye he will close both) In a second we have kill his vision & now you know the rest.

Regards

[cqctraining]

@407sport Niiiiice! I like the analogy of smashing a grapefruit in the face of your attacker. I would probably add in the "grinding" of the grapefruit so that your fingers naturally rip back and forth across the eyes so there's a better chance of both hitting the target as well as getting the desired effect. Kind of like the motion of using a juicer where you wiggle the grapefruit back and forth to get out all the juice.

Thanks for adding that tip 407 sport! Awesome!

~ Jeff

[407sport]

Please check with other professionals in combatives how to do finger Jabs with no risk of injury, In a fight anyone has posibilities of injury as we are fighting not driving cars... but this is not the case,the porcentage of injury delivering a propper finger jab it´s very low & it´s allready tested in battle fields with positives results.

Kindest Regards

J.M

[CrimsonGetsu]

i honestly think this guy isnt much of a combat teacher

[cqctraining]

@CrimsonGetsu I honestly thank you for your professional opinion and valuable input to the conversation. The world is a much better place for knowing what you think of me and the video lesson. (Please note the sarcasm)

Look, I don't mind if you disagree with my self defense techniques, but at LEAST provide some intelligent addition to the debate, eh? Don't be one of those dorks that just goes around commenting you don't like something. Say WHY and then offer your own self defense advice.

[CrimsonGetsu]

@cqctraining sure you want criticism..here is some: all this video is about punching a guy in the face, it doesnt teach you anithing..no technique, no purpose.. ive been in combat trainin for a few years (so you know im no stranger) and you learn self defence, which means you are never contact first even when the guy says "its not cool." You pay the consequences for hiting first and by the way, your stance was horrible.

[cqctraining]

@CrimsonGetsu - Well, I did give you a chance to be professional. Guess you couldn't do it. I understand - not everyone is capable. Too bad. YouTube already has too many whiners who can offer nothing more than insults instead of actual professional 2 way debate. Take a look at many of the other comments from people who have added value with their own tips.

BTW...watch the video again.  The lesson's not about "stance". And only a newbie or a victim in the morgue says "never contact first".

[CrimsonGetsu]

@cqctraining You fail to recognise constructive criticism. And yes leting the guy make first contact atempt seems inapropriate, but you are "at a bar" and you dont want witnesses saying that you hit first when deal with the law suit later. And for the commenters that agree with the video, most of them probably dont have a marcial arts background to know the proper stance. And you can go ahead and call me a whiner, only adds to the fact that you are unproffecional.

[407sport]

I been doing combatives for a very long time, this position it´s not good at all, sorry the balance it´s very poor, also in that position there is not power at all for a good face mash a finger jab would be much better, if the guy is combative let´s get combative then, you should avoid the confrontation before the monkey is on top of you & if you really want to avoid the situation run away simple as that, good movie to watch if someone hit you or tackle you in that position.

Regards

JM

[cqctraining]

@407sport - Thanks for your comment. As for finger jabs, they're great in training against a focus pad. HORRIBLE in close quarters combat. Here's why:

1. Finger joints are more unstable than the targets you're hitting which means probable joint injury and the inability to strike after a finger jab.

2. Point-to-point targeting (e.g. fingers to eyes) are too difficult. Targets in practice don't move. A person you're fighting DOES and you won't strike a point target in a real street fight.

[gat0rbball]

As much as I like this move....you have to be VERY careful about preemptive strikes. Know the laws of YOUR area...especially if you are in a bar. If you use this move it could mean lawsuit and your butt kicked by bouncers who didn't witness the start. It would be important to throw this right as he starts moving at you and it is clear to ANY witness that you are REACTING and not ACTING(despite acting being faster). The laws suck sometimes...but they exist for a reason.

[cqctraining]

@gat0rbball - Very true! One of things to consider is to first state out loud (so witnesses can hear), "I don't want to fight!". This, along with a submissive posture and your attacker's forward advance, should be enough to justify your first strike position.

Thanks for bringing that up gat0rbball!

[gat0rbball]

@cqctraining NP. It is sad that courts will side with the aggressor just because you stopped him before he could take the first swing.

[TheSubwaysurfer]

in order to deply ANY of your weapons you MUST be able to have the MENTAL where with all to GO IN AND DO IT that is the MAIN area that jams people up. If you "really dont want this to be happening to you" You Will freeze up and not KNOW when the proper moment IS to ATTACK which is what you are doing. It helps to give yourself a mental command ;like GO! or NOW ! or ATTACK ! as you're doing this to interrupt any mental chatter you may have.

[cqctraining]

@TheSubwaysurfer - I use the word "ATTACK!" as my mental cue when striking. It's much more aggressive than "go" or "now" so it instills more decisiveness.

I also use mental imagery if I feel a fight is going to happen. In my books and DVD's, I talk about your "survival why" and using the image of defending the most important person to you instead of just thinking of how to defend yourself in a street fight.

I picture my child behind me and that triggers a more aggressive mental response.

[TheSubwaysurfer]

keeping your hands in motion is good advice as it helps you to overcome inertial also, so its excellent advice. When My adrenalin flows Iget the shakes which is even BETTER tactically since it makes it look like Im "trembling in fear" from his perspective.

[gat0rbball]

@TheSubwaysurfer I don't know really shake until AFTER. My eyes get wide and I watch everything clearer...but my arms stay up in this posture naturally(have since I was a kid getting into scrapes with bullies). I think this needs to cover defense of the most common types of punches(haymakers and jabs because that is what is likely to be thrown...straight power arm swings).

[TheSubwaysurfer]

Ive noticed when guys wanna fight they will do some sort of pacing motion like a tiger in a cage. It might be slight but they appear to be looking for the right angle to punch you and also on some level they are trying to overcome inertia so their attack flows into their movement. They accomplish this if YOU are stationary thats is why you have to change your position also. Turning your body line you suggest gives him a smaller angle, which is good.

[cqctraining]

@TheSubwaysurfer - Turning your body slightly is good...it gives you better balance, faster reaction, and can appear submissive...if not overdone to look like a "I'm going to hit you" body staging.

I've always found that you can "sense" when someone is about to strike you. There are subtle cues in a real street fight that our body's communicate what we're going to do. You'll just know. This is why going submissive works subconsciously on your attacker to get in the first strike.

Thanks SWS!

[iamthereallebowski]

camo gear doesn't seem to work too well in your gym mate, maybe you should be wearing red and white?

[palempeng]

lol thats so funny.. if you in a bar and ur in fight.. its better to hit them a bottle of beer.. thats it no talking..

[cqctraining]

@palempeng - Yes and no...

Using a bottle as a self defense weapon is an option but it had better be a serious fight where your life is on the line. You can kill someone with a bottle (it's not like in the movies) and then you're in prison. To me, that's not surviving.

There are other hand to hand combat options that can be mastered for self defense that are better used to maintain legal self defense options and avoid trouble.

Of course, always try to avoid a fight if possible.

[Amirboy12]

thank yea man!

[cqctraining]

Never good to receive the first punch and then try to "defend". 90% of the time, the person who throws the first punch will "win" because he now owns the offense and you have to try to gain back position.

You're much better off in your self defense techniques if you look for visual cues that there's not getting out of the fight and taking the first strike yourself.

Thanks for the great feedback and questions everyone! Keep 'em coming! ;-)

[mexx1144]

In a bar. You probally got witnesses. And they can confirm that it is self defence. atleast i think:P

[TAU001G012]

In this case, wouldn't you be the first one to throw the punch, so if cops come... how are you going to win that?

[mgbrawl]

TAU001G012: the other option would be to recieve the first punch, which do you think is better?

[DARQUEknight07]

the other guy verbaly instegated the fight though by saying "not cool" its not always who throws the first punch.the first guy showed signs that he didnt wanna fight and the other guy decided to fight anyway