I'd suggest that the joke is ultimately on Stringer. This scene could well be a reference to D'Angelo's remarks in season 2 about The Great Gatsby; Gatsby's pretense of shelves full of books he'd never read. Stringer saw himself as an intellectual, a progressive thinker, someone with equal potential to the leaders of society. The circumstances leading up to his fate, as Avon tried to warn him, proved otherwise.
@king78802 Then how did you manage to reach the conclusion that Avon shares any philosophy with Sun Tzu? The Art of War is about the economy of fighting: avoiding dangerous conflict, ceding territory where necessary, and waiting for opportunities. Given Avon and Stringer's different attitudes to killing Omar in the first season, co-operating with Prop Joe and his package in the second, and Hamsterdam and Marlo in the third, how do you figure that AoW applies more to Barksdale than Bell?
@hayesism he tried to use the girl to spy on Marlo in the Aow it describe avoiding dangerous situations if you are able if Avon didn't try and get back his corners people would think he was weak and sooner or later try to kill him so he could not back down especially from Marlo Avon also use people according to there capabilities he used the brave to fight(Wee bey Cutty) the careful to guard(Silm Charles) and he used the intelligent (Stringer)but i guess he did break some rules
@king78802 AoW and WoN also used punctuation; I seriously doubt you've read them since they don't seem to have rubbed off on you at all.
Yes, Avon used the girl to deceive Marlo (she wasn't a spy, though) and this failed due to poor reconnaissance, which Sun Tzu said was the most important aspect of warfare.
Every dealer in the show used his lieutenants according to their abilities, so that's a moot point.
Just admit you haven't read it, okay? It's no big deal.
@hayesism i have read book you seem to be the one dead set on proving that i haven't these are my opinions you dont have to agree with them but assuming i haven't read the book because my opinion is not the same as yours is pretty obnoxious
@hayesism ok first it YouTube I am sorry I do not write a rough draft for each comment please forgive me second rubbed off on me what are you talking about i am suppose write a certain way because i read books on economic and strategy true dealers throughout the series did use people but we was talking about Avon we see much more of Avon command structure than any other
@hayesism Actually Sun Tzu said the most important aspect of warfare was deception. Not meaning to be a dick but I'm pretty sure he always went back to that point. You can decieve without reconaissance.
@king78802 Avon was an idiot. First off the corners were never his to start with, they were Marlo's. Avon's crew only moved into Marlo's area because the projects Avon controlled were torn down.If not for that, Avon wouldn't have gone to war with Marlo. Avon just wanted the best corners and Marlo controlled them. Rewatch season 3 because you're mixing up the story. Sending a female to set up a dude is one of the oldest tricks in the book , that's why Marlo was on to it. Avon again was a fool.
@ANCIENTMYS Avon was far from an idiot if you see the part where avon got arrested for the final time you would have seen he was about to kill marlo. what episode did you hear avon crew took marlo territory. where did it say Avon crew only controlled the towers. Marlo would have gone to war anyway because he wanted to be the king and avon like prop joe was to big a threat to that goal you need to rewatch season 3. And we was talking about wheter avon actions mirrored a book
Stringer was a wannabe businessman...and a pure gangsta his community college classes weren't enough to let him swin with the big fish and thats why Clay Davis took his money...in another life he would have been the same person...he was intelligent and street smart but only in his world
@sliccmoufschalaa If he would've talked to Levy before making the deal with Clay, he would not have gotten burned. Always talk to your lawyer. And your accountant, and your banker, etc.
@Wargoat6 I totally agree. And Levy would have told him its not a deal at all. I know a guy where Im from that got taken in this same way about Certificates of Need to open assisted living facilities out of rental properties...street smarts never equate to business smarts.
@sliccmoufschalaa In some instances street smarts is just as equal to business smarts. Its not the streets or business, it is the crooked people doing the business.
@missVeemack You are right in that its the crooked people doing the business, but street smarts are never equal to business smarts in the same light that a CEO of a fortune 500 company could never run a continuing criminal enterprise, because they are trained to think differently. The basis of what Im sayin doesnt discount either in regards to their intelligence because being intelligent and being smart are two different things. Streets and business are 2 completly different worlds.
@sliccmoufschalaa More closer to this - Clay Davis was a better hustler than this hustler. For all of Stinger's intelligence he had an incredible impatience and should have consulted Levy earlier.
@sliccmoufschalaa That's bullshit. Stringer was a smart dude who could have been a very successful legitimate businessman. Clay Davis wasn't smart he was just a conman and a liar. If Stringer had lived it would have been a lesson learned and he would have grown stronger and wiser from it. His problem like a lot of people,including yourself, is being too quick to believe in a person's public persona. Stringer thought only "gangsters" do dirty things and politicians are honest and fair. LOL.
@ANCIENTMYS Also if it was for the idiot(avon) stringer would have gotten Slim Charles killed and brought down a whole lot of heat on everyone because he couldnt accept a loss "Stringer thought politicians are honest and fair". No Stringer was just being naive which cost him and not that he believe politicians were honest(he was bribing him for godsake) it just that he didnt believe Cay Davis had the heart to do it Stringer underestamating people got him killed
@ChetR its not to glorify anyone. as u can see during this entire series and the overall plot. everyone has a ROLE. there is no right or wrong or black and white just mostly grey! everyone did what they had to in order to survive in their role. it was a brilliant show and displayed the truth while ridding outsiders of stereotypes. instead of saying "oh those are bad guys those are good guys" it gave a story to why everything happens the way it does and how each individual deals with it! BRAVO
@tommybrown187 I wouldn't go as far as that. There were some positive characters (say Lester, Sydnor, but many others), though with shades, and some negative characters (what the hell is Marlo?? or the journalist from the 5th?). It's a nuanced series and bravo for it, but they still distinguish good from wrong
@ChetR it's all in the game....yo! That is what they did. Perhaps you think you would be different if you grew up in that environment. Stats say you probably wouldn't.
Stringer Bell was an intellectual who happened to be from the Ghetto, in my opinion he was the smartest of all of them, but that damn Omar was a nut who had all the heart in the world and who didn't mind dying for the principalities...
@ChetR I don't think most people glorify the murders. But I think alot of people can identify with a person that uses any means to overcome their economic situation. And I'm not necessarily talking about being poor; there are folks out there that have jobs but feel they don't make enough to afford the lifestyle they desire and would at least be tempted with the desire to sell drugs to take them to the next level.
This scene really isn't about Stringer. This scene is about McNulty and his career. He spent all that time and obsession over chasing this guy and in a flash he gets hit with a lightning bolt. He knows absolutely nothing about this man he has been obsessing over. McNulty built up a phantom in his mind to chase and only now a new perspective dawns on him.
"This is Stringer's" YEAH! SMH @ McNutty. How u gonna catch someone if u don't know who u r chasing? It's like he was expecting a cliche. Scarface posters on the wall, loud flashy clothes and furnishings, butt naked booty girls lying on the sofa with rap music blaring. But none of that was Stringer Bell. That's why he could not catch him. B/c he was chasing an idea.
I still don't understand why was surprised. Stringer wasn't your typical gangster/d McNulty rug overlord. Everyone in Baltimore seemed to know that......except for McNulty apparently.
just watching series 3 episode twelve near the end mcnulty talking to major colvin both drinking cans of beer.i can barley watch this shit its horrifying.then we get the pleasure of seeing cedric daniels doing that ginger twat of a bird who acts like a man.too much cheese for me.need to get the ppl who made the sopranos to direct this shit then it would be much better.god i feel much better now
When he said...."Who the fuck was I chasing"...that was one of THE best lines in the wire. It displayed the respect and admiration he had for Stringer. Yeah Stringer was a big time dope dealer but dude had DEDICATION AND DESIRE. One of the cat and mouse chases of all time...
I'd suggest that the joke is ultimately on Stringer. This scene could well be a reference to D'Angelo's remarks in season 2 about The Great Gatsby; Gatsby's pretense of shelves full of books he'd never read. Stringer saw himself as an intellectual, a progressive thinker, someone with equal potential to the leaders of society. The circumstances leading up to his fate, as Avon tried to warn him, proved otherwise.
Nosephant 2 months ago 15
Stringer's character was so strong you could still feel his presence after he was gone.
Brenda2OOO 4 months ago
Stringer was my favorite character....
seekisforme5 4 months ago 3
@seekisforme5 Mine too.
alfvar 1 month ago
McNulty and Stringer were such frienemies.
mtsingrenny 5 months ago 6
Idris Elba you have Academy Award winning potential. Excellent Actor, wait for great roles
burres48 5 months ago 3
That place is gorgeous.
BlkAmerPncS 7 months ago
if the "Wealth of Nations" was Stringer book shouldn't Avon book be "The Art of War"
king78802 8 months ago 8
@king78802 No, not even close. Read the damn book before you say that.
hayesism 7 months ago
@hayesism i read both
king78802 7 months ago
@king78802 Then how did you manage to reach the conclusion that Avon shares any philosophy with Sun Tzu? The Art of War is about the economy of fighting: avoiding dangerous conflict, ceding territory where necessary, and waiting for opportunities. Given Avon and Stringer's different attitudes to killing Omar in the first season, co-operating with Prop Joe and his package in the second, and Hamsterdam and Marlo in the third, how do you figure that AoW applies more to Barksdale than Bell?
hayesism 7 months ago
@hayesism he tried to use the girl to spy on Marlo in the Aow it describe avoiding dangerous situations if you are able if Avon didn't try and get back his corners people would think he was weak and sooner or later try to kill him so he could not back down especially from Marlo Avon also use people according to there capabilities he used the brave to fight(Wee bey Cutty) the careful to guard(Silm Charles) and he used the intelligent (Stringer)but i guess he did break some rules
king78802 7 months ago
@king78802 AoW and WoN also used punctuation; I seriously doubt you've read them since they don't seem to have rubbed off on you at all.
Yes, Avon used the girl to deceive Marlo (she wasn't a spy, though) and this failed due to poor reconnaissance, which Sun Tzu said was the most important aspect of warfare.
Every dealer in the show used his lieutenants according to their abilities, so that's a moot point.
Just admit you haven't read it, okay? It's no big deal.
hayesism 7 months ago
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king78802 7 months ago
@hayesism i have read book you seem to be the one dead set on proving that i haven't these are my opinions you dont have to agree with them but assuming i haven't read the book because my opinion is not the same as yours is pretty obnoxious
king78802 7 months ago
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@hayesism ok first it YouTube I am sorry I do not write a rough draft for each comment please forgive me second rubbed off on me what are you talking about i am suppose write a certain way because i read books on economic and strategy true dealers throughout the series did use people but we was talking about Avon we see much more of Avon command structure than any other
king78802 7 months ago
@hayesism Actually Sun Tzu said the most important aspect of warfare was deception. Not meaning to be a dick but I'm pretty sure he always went back to that point. You can decieve without reconaissance.
l0Eclipse0l 2 months ago
@l0Eclipse0l yeah your right about that. deception and planning were the two most important things.
pat442389 2 months ago
@king78802 Avon was an idiot. First off the corners were never his to start with, they were Marlo's. Avon's crew only moved into Marlo's area because the projects Avon controlled were torn down.If not for that, Avon wouldn't have gone to war with Marlo. Avon just wanted the best corners and Marlo controlled them. Rewatch season 3 because you're mixing up the story. Sending a female to set up a dude is one of the oldest tricks in the book , that's why Marlo was on to it. Avon again was a fool.
ANCIENTMYS 5 hours ago
@ANCIENTMYS Avon was far from an idiot if you see the part where avon got arrested for the final time you would have seen he was about to kill marlo. what episode did you hear avon crew took marlo territory. where did it say Avon crew only controlled the towers. Marlo would have gone to war anyway because he wanted to be the king and avon like prop joe was to big a threat to that goal you need to rewatch season 3. And we was talking about wheter avon actions mirrored a book
king78802 5 hours ago
Probably the most expensive set of the entire series
bumshka21 10 months ago 12
Stringer was a wannabe businessman...and a pure gangsta his community college classes weren't enough to let him swin with the big fish and thats why Clay Davis took his money...in another life he would have been the same person...he was intelligent and street smart but only in his world
sliccmoufschalaa 1 year ago
@sliccmoufschalaa If he would've talked to Levy before making the deal with Clay, he would not have gotten burned. Always talk to your lawyer. And your accountant, and your banker, etc.
Wargoat6 1 year ago
@Wargoat6 I totally agree. And Levy would have told him its not a deal at all. I know a guy where Im from that got taken in this same way about Certificates of Need to open assisted living facilities out of rental properties...street smarts never equate to business smarts.
sliccmoufschalaa 1 year ago
@sliccmoufschalaa In some instances street smarts is just as equal to business smarts. Its not the streets or business, it is the crooked people doing the business.
missVeemack 11 months ago
@missVeemack You are right in that its the crooked people doing the business, but street smarts are never equal to business smarts in the same light that a CEO of a fortune 500 company could never run a continuing criminal enterprise, because they are trained to think differently. The basis of what Im sayin doesnt discount either in regards to their intelligence because being intelligent and being smart are two different things. Streets and business are 2 completly different worlds.
sliccmoufschalaa 11 months ago 8
@Wargoat6 Please the bankers and the accountants are crooked to.
missVeemack 11 months ago
@missVeemack Well, in the words of Rob Base: "Get a lawyer, an accountant, and a lawyer and an account to check on both."
Wargoat6 11 months ago
@sliccmoufschalaa More closer to this - Clay Davis was a better hustler than this hustler. For all of Stinger's intelligence he had an incredible impatience and should have consulted Levy earlier.
thejobloshow 9 months ago
@sliccmoufschalaa That's bullshit. Stringer was a smart dude who could have been a very successful legitimate businessman. Clay Davis wasn't smart he was just a conman and a liar. If Stringer had lived it would have been a lesson learned and he would have grown stronger and wiser from it. His problem like a lot of people,including yourself, is being too quick to believe in a person's public persona. Stringer thought only "gangsters" do dirty things and politicians are honest and fair. LOL.
ANCIENTMYS 5 hours ago
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@ANCIENTMYS Also if it was for the idiot(avon) stringer would have gotten Slim Charles killed and brought down a whole lot of heat on everyone because he couldnt accept a loss "Stringer thought politicians are honest and fair". No Stringer was just being naive which cost him and not that he believe politicians were honest(he was bribing him for godsake) it just that he didnt believe Cay Davis had the heart to do it Stringer underestamating people got him killed
king78802 5 hours ago
@ChetR its not to glorify anyone. as u can see during this entire series and the overall plot. everyone has a ROLE. there is no right or wrong or black and white just mostly grey! everyone did what they had to in order to survive in their role. it was a brilliant show and displayed the truth while ridding outsiders of stereotypes. instead of saying "oh those are bad guys those are good guys" it gave a story to why everything happens the way it does and how each individual deals with it! BRAVO
tommybrown187 1 year ago
@tommybrown187 I wouldn't go as far as that. There were some positive characters (say Lester, Sydnor, but many others), though with shades, and some negative characters (what the hell is Marlo?? or the journalist from the 5th?). It's a nuanced series and bravo for it, but they still distinguish good from wrong
Esteban2000 1 year ago
@ChetR it's all in the game....yo! That is what they did. Perhaps you think you would be different if you grew up in that environment. Stats say you probably wouldn't.
TheBigEase 1 year ago
Stringer Bell was an intellectual who happened to be from the Ghetto, in my opinion he was the smartest of all of them, but that damn Omar was a nut who had all the heart in the world and who didn't mind dying for the principalities...
maxluxur 1 year ago 2
Ha, "The Wealth of Nations"...
Stringer was an educated man.
Raford146 1 year ago 4
Stringer Bell not your ordinary dope dealer.
Ballerfella2007 1 year ago
@ChetR I don't think most people glorify the murders. But I think alot of people can identify with a person that uses any means to overcome their economic situation. And I'm not necessarily talking about being poor; there are folks out there that have jobs but feel they don't make enough to afford the lifestyle they desire and would at least be tempted with the desire to sell drugs to take them to the next level.
allblackmax 1 year ago 2
thats a dope apartment i think i need to change my profession lol
chambestrapper 1 year ago
I loved the "Who was I chasing". Stringer Bell was a business man, not a gangsta.
Reqrezentin 1 year ago
That's a nice crib
justincredible214 1 year ago
Yeah economics doesn't teach you shit :) Its all about the experience and your gut :)
Zwartekaka 1 year ago
This scene really isn't about Stringer. This scene is about McNulty and his career. He spent all that time and obsession over chasing this guy and in a flash he gets hit with a lightning bolt. He knows absolutely nothing about this man he has been obsessing over. McNulty built up a phantom in his mind to chase and only now a new perspective dawns on him.
mooseclamps 1 year ago 14
"This is Stringer's" YEAH! SMH @ McNutty. How u gonna catch someone if u don't know who u r chasing? It's like he was expecting a cliche. Scarface posters on the wall, loud flashy clothes and furnishings, butt naked booty girls lying on the sofa with rap music blaring. But none of that was Stringer Bell. That's why he could not catch him. B/c he was chasing an idea.
This was a great scene.
504Diva 1 year ago 19
@504Diva He did catch him, Stringer was killed first though. If Omar and Mouzone waited one more day to kill Stringer then McNulty arrests him.
mattd687 11 months ago
I still don't understand why was surprised. Stringer wasn't your typical gangster/d McNulty rug overlord. Everyone in Baltimore seemed to know that......except for McNulty apparently.
Regardless, it was still a great line.
knight7se7en 1 year ago
Brushed metal, samurai swords and "The Wealth of Nations", looks like a nineteen year old trust fund libertarian's place
immortalass 2 years ago 76
@immortalass LOLOCAUST!!
dontleademsomuch 1 year ago
@immortalass you mean my apartment? lol
Bulldog22031 1 year ago
@immortalass Some trust fund...
mrmootheirrev 8 months ago
Stringer Bell-- a tragic character.
standard101 2 years ago 6
McNulty was shock about how intellectual smart Stringer was especially when he grab a copy of Adam Smith's a Wealth of a Nation.
2010COFC 2 years ago 11
samurai swords and all...
CNSZU 2 years ago
That "Who the fuck was I chasing" is one of the best lines ever said in a series or a movie.
cluje 2 years ago 8
stringer = best character
SingHouse 2 years ago 6
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just watching series 3 episode twelve near the end mcnulty talking to major colvin both drinking cans of beer.i can barley watch this shit its horrifying.then we get the pleasure of seeing cedric daniels doing that ginger twat of a bird who acts like a man.too much cheese for me.need to get the ppl who made the sopranos to direct this shit then it would be much better.god i feel much better now
steveioio84 2 years ago
hahahahahaha ginger bird who acts like a man, so true
SingHouse 2 years ago
When he said...."Who the fuck was I chasing"...that was one of THE best lines in the wire. It displayed the respect and admiration he had for Stringer. Yeah Stringer was a big time dope dealer but dude had DEDICATION AND DESIRE. One of the cat and mouse chases of all time...
FidelCashFlow22 2 years ago 49
Interesting thought..
illouie 2 years ago