Bush 'Loyalist' Oversaw Iraq Deaths Survey

[Desertsnake77]

No but don't go around saying that Americas bad when we arnt we help other nations all the frekin time

[ElLeonidas2009]

helping? or invading, or destroying? wake up our country was good before it was controlled by the rich and evil bitches, we the people are good our goverment sucks, but is up to us to not get decieved by the false ppl like bush and friends.

[Desertsnake77]

No I'm saying that don't just go around saying that Americas bad when we arnt

[Desertsnake77]

if you dont like America than leave! we are alwys the first to help when someone needs help and yet people are always bashing us for shit like this. the entire world dus this crap not only America!

[CapitalistHolocaust]

So you are saying that freedom of speech is okay as long as you don't use it?

[BobForehead]

Love it, dbl playlisted. Thanks.

[infscout101]

So what is the message you are trying to get across with you crap video?

[CapitalistHolocaust]

That since the WHO Iraq Family Health Survey was not an independent study & was in fact carried out on behalf of the World Health Organization, by the Iraqi Ministry of Health which is overseen & advised by the American & Bush 'loyalist' James K.Haveman Jnr. then Iraq war apologists should stop using it as an reliable estimate of death tolls in Iraq.

[gabydewilde]

lol at #1:50

[Xerxein]

The music is terrible.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Heh, thanks.

I was going through a bit of a drum & bass phase at the time & really didn't have a clue what I was doing mixing on the 8 track. Mind you, I nailed the guitar solo in the 2nd take.

[ULTRASMACKDOWNGORE]

I feel better knowing that there are people like you in the world.

[batflies]

of course its set up!

[aberserk9]

People are still being killed and maimed in Indo China today because of US ordnance dropped some 40 years ago.

A radio documentary about this can be found on BBC.

[johan28]

It's the smaller things that get us in the end because they all add up. Our radar notices the big things, but the small things always seem to creep beneath or around or squirm out of sight. It makes sense when you sum up all the small things because then you realize why. Why? They look at the small thing and say it can't possibly be the cause or reason. It's myopia. They look at the big things because that's the way our mind works. They force it to make sense with strong arm theories.

[Phillipdmind]

Faved and subbed

peace

[crackahcrackah]

You speak of legal fictions as if they were humans. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[1GangRelated]

Sharp(minded) Video

Keep it up

Peace

[bebeinpa]

The Lancet study was partially funded by George Soros-if anyone cares to know.

[bufton6]

That old National Journal article again?

The report's co-author:

The fact that some of MITs financial support in 2006 came from the Open Society Institute had no effect on these reports; the researchers knew nothing of funding origins. MIT played no role in the study design, implementation, analysis or writing of the Lancet report.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Except that there are major problems with Capitalism that lend themselves to a greater tendency for Imperialism. One problem is that it clearly over produces, over consumes & places profit before people.

The vast concentrations of Capital that the rich elites accrue in this process are often invested abroad where markets are less saturated & labour is cheap. This of course means installing brutal dictators who only care about rich people's Capital Exports & not their own populations.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Most Capitalist countries are in on it as well. Particularly the Western nations & their clients & especially the members of NATO, which is a pretty hostile alliance.

When America overthrows Indonesia or Brazil & installs a brutal regime that tortures & slaughters it's people, it isn't only America that profits. Yes, America's business interests get top priority, but those involved giving the U.S. diplomatic help at the UN also get a look in.

[crackahcrackah]

Capitalist Jacob Schiff funded the Bolshevik revolution. Oh wait! Let's not talk about that!

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Er, the Jewish Jacob Schiff funded the Japanese war effort in the very early 1900's against the Russian Tsar because his rule was terribly oppressive towards the Jews.

Of course, when Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto in 1848 - which inspired the Communist/Bolshevik revolution in 1917 - Jacob Schiff was only 1 year old.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Clearly, he couldn't have had the foresight to plan the conception of the revolution whilst still in nappies & therefore his intentions very likely to be directly related to the cause of the Russian Jews & not political in any way.

Particularly as it became obvious that the Bolsheviks themselves turned out to be fairly repressive towards Jews, themselves, causing Schiff to withdraw funding.

[crackahcrackah]

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Jacob Henry Schiff, born Jacob Hirsch Schiff (January 10, 1847 September 25, 1920) was a German-born New York City banker and philanthropist, who helped finance, among many other things, the Japanese military efforts against Tsarist Russia in the Russo-Japanese War."

You should branch out from just wikipedia for sources especially if this is where you just got your info. More sources = good.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

And so It seems, Wikipedia was your first port of call for facts you weren't entirely sure of too.

I'm definitely open to other sources of info & certainly don't restrict myself to Wikipedia for knowledge (though it is a useful instant tool for checking out the odd date & refreshing your memory in a hurry).

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Please send me some links to solid & reliable sources that dispute that Jacob Schiff was against the Tsar's treatment of the Jews & also links to solid sources that dispute he was against the Bolshevik's treatment of the Jew also & did in fact continue funding the Bolsheviks despite this.

Quite important, since otherwise, any claim that he was literally funding the Revolution for it's own sake (or to create a pretext for a NWO, say) couldn't be taken seriously without such evidence.

[crackahcrackah]

Uh yeh. And communist countries aren't authoritarian in the least. Any country with a fucking government is going to throw it's weight around if it can. It's retarded to bicker over which form of government is more authoritarian in nature as they all ARE. Hence the ROOT WORD GOVERN. Capitalism and Communism are two different sides of the same cow pie.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Nobody's arguing with this, I do have fairly strong anarchist sympathies.

Where did you get the impression I was pro-communism?

[newperve]

Well your username is "capitalistholocaust" when there is no evidence of any such thing. There is evidence of a fascist holocaust, a highly interventionist, highly anti-capitalistic holocaust, but no evidence of a capitalist holocaust.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Are you sure?

What about the 17 million killed in India by Capitalist Britain?

What about the 18 million killed in the Atlantic Slave trade by Capitalist Europeans?

What about the 15 million killed in the Capitalist re-ordering we call WWI?

What about the 6-7 million killed throughout Indochina in the 1960's & 70's by Capitalist America?

[newperve]

Yes I'm sure because each of the examples you give is of a highly interventionist government or governments killing people for the benefit of the wealthy and powerful in opposition to what the market wanted.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

So, you are saying that because actual functioning Capitalism & Capitalist countries (rather than the fairytale economic theories of pure market Capitalism) administered those holocausts/atrocities we cannot call them Capitalist atrocities?

On that basis, there is no so thing as Communist atrocities, since the 20 million killed under Stalin & 30 million under Mao didn't occur under the conditions of pure Marxist & Communist Post State Anarcho-Communism.

[newperve]

It's hardly "fairytale economic theories" to have a theory that you should indulge in mass murder and theft. None of the examples you give had real secure property rights, as demonstrated by the mass violation of them. As I stated each was an example of highly interventionist government killing people for the benefit of the wealthy and powerful, not capitalism. Stalin and Mao were as close to pure Marxism as it is reasonable to expect, only Pol Pot getting closer.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

You obviously don't know anything about Communism. The dictat of the proletariat was meant to be the transitory 'socialist' phase that vangaurded the revolution till it could evolve to Communism at a later date.

The pure Communist society would have been anarchic & would have had no state whatsoever.

Not only did the USSR not reach post-state communist goal, but the revolution was hijacked & even the transitory 'socialist' stage didn't go to plan. The Soviets were dismantled.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Also, your point about property rights is ludicrous to the extreme. Since it historically in the west, it has been the property owning elites that seek the enslavement & subjugation of others. Abroad & domestically.

Capitalist property (land) laws themselves are a device for enslaving the masses.

Property (land) laws not only deny people access to land & resources, but they are forced to pay rent or buy a tiny scrap of that land & are then forced into 30-40 years hard labour to pay for it.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

With regards to your point about Pol Pot: You do realise what actually happened in Cambodia don't you?

America secretly dropped 2.7 million tonnes of ordinance (more bombs than the allies dropped in WWII) on the agricultural areas for 9 years. The extent of the bombing was only declassified under clinton in the 90's.

The CIA estimates that this killed 600,000 people (prior to Pol Pot).

This & the US funding of Lon Nol's brutality drove the khmer rouge insane on revenge.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Not only did the Khmer rouge set about slaughtering Western sympathizers in revenge of the U.S. slaughter of around 600k people but a million then died of starvation.

The reason so many died of starvation under Pol Pot is because the U.S. had bombed & devastated all the agricultural areas, NOT JUST the Ho Chi Minh trail.

Go check out the declassified maps of the bomb sites, i have links. Also, check out Ben Kiernan's work at the Cambodia Genocide Program at the Yale University website.

[newperve]

And this is relevant to the point how? I never said that America was nice or it's allies. And claiming the Khemer Rouge were "insane on revenge" is ridiculous considering they did nothing against the people who did this to them and everything to innocent civilians.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

When you are filled with rabid hate & revenge, because somebody slaughtered 600k of your people & you can't get at those people because they dropped bombs from the skies & they live 1000s of miles away you will do the next best thing.

You will get the sympathizers & collaborators of those people who did it.

It stands to reason & it's why the U.S. bombing was kept secret so that the official propaganda line that Cambodia was a peaceful smiling happy land prior to Pol Pot could be maintained.

[newperve]

You're now simply trying to excuse mass murder now. The reason the murders were done wasn't revenge, even the most ignorant peasant knew that fellow Cambodians didn't bomb them. The murders were done because communism and socialism demand murders.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

I'm not excusing, I'm explaining. Whilst, you are simply trying to deny cause and effect & human nature.

Let's pretend you are correct & people don't lash out against collaborators after being brutally suppressed, relatives & friends slaughtered & having their country ruined.

You can't deny that 1 million of the people who died under Pol Pot were due to famine. A famine which was not only created by the U.S. bombing of agricultural areas, but predicted by the U.S. State Dept.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

After the U.S. bombing forced the farmers to flee into the cities the U.S. State Dept. predicted that up to a million people would die of famine. Of course they did die, but we in the West blame it on Pol Pot.

A serious expert analysis of the Cambodian Genocide (app 2.4 million deaths) by Ben Kiernan shows that:

Firstly 600,000 died from U.S. bombing & insurgency,

Then 1 million died from Starvation due to U.S. bombing as

600,000 were killed by Pol Pot & the khmer rouge.

[newperve]

I certainly can deny that the famine was caused by US bombing of agricultural areas. Nowhere else has bombing fields been an effective way of forcing a country into famine. Instituting a totalitarian communist dictatorship on the other hand generally causes a famine. Predicting a famine when the communists take over is about as hard as predicting sunrise tommorrow.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

You can't truthfully deny that the U.S. State Dept. estimated that there would be 1,000,000 deaths due to the peasants fleeing the Cambodian countryside as a result of the bombing, because it's on the internal record. It's fact.

Plus, the countryside was absolutely devastated. Go look at the declassified maps & some photographs. There was mile after mile after mile of huge craters.

It's why Pol Pot expelled people from the cities back to the countryside to provide food.

[newperve]

And yet nowhere in Marx is there anything about how to get to the anarchic stage, just how to get to the "we have all the power" stage. The idea that "the state would wither away" was rightly thought a ludicrous fraud by Mikhail Bakunin.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Whilst I agree with Bakunin's analysis about the State (particularly his prediction that the dictat would commit terrible atrocities), we must bear in mind that Bakunin agreed with Marx initially.

Most Communists held Marx's line that "socialism will in its turn replace capitalism and lead to a stateless, classless society which will emerge after a transitional period, the 'dictatorship of the proletariat.'"

That is pure Communism, regardless of Chomskian analysis of Marx's true intent.

[Ipodgirl477]

Just saying why do you always say bad things about america, but no other countries?

[CapitalistHolocaust]

I believe we should look in the mirror & answer for our OWN crimes before criticizing the lesser crimes of others.

If you'd care to look at my comments & stuff, I criticize most of the Capitalist countries & those in the Nato alliance who support America.

America is the number one Imperialist State in the World & the rest of us (the Western States) are complicit & taking a share in the Spoils of Imperialism.

In my videos, I tend to focus on the 'head of the snake', so to speak.

[kubaniski]

i come from a former communist nation and it was ridden with corruption and crimes against my nations people, but now that we got ride of those commi socilist bastards and swiched to capatlism the qulaity of life and social justice has dramiticly improved, its not a perfect system but its the best system out there so far.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

I am from a Capitalist country & as such, only feel responsible as a citizen for the crimes at the hands of my government & it's allies. It would be of no use for me to concentrate on the crimes of Communist nations, since I have no influence on how they are run & our media has done a good enough job.

There are far greater alternatives to Capitalism available - that take the best of socialism & capitalism - but they are suppressed by the mainstream because they do not support a ruling class.

[bebeinpa]

The lesser crimes of others? Crimes are crimes, no matter WHO commits them, CH.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Yes, but what right does the perpetrator of the slaughter of 10 million lives since WWII (the US & UK) have to point the finger at those who slaughter people in the hundreds & thousands, if they are not willing to face up to their own crimes?

Imagine Hitler (having killed 6 million Jews) denouncing the crimes of Bin Laden (responsible for relatively far fewer deaths, thousands) & none of us questioning or even once focusing on Hitler's far greater crimes or even bring him to account.

[bebeinpa]

Good, I'm glad you agree.

[jackalackacrud]

Great vid. Thanx for invite. Luv the content and porn music.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Cheers. I do the music on all my vids, if you wanna check em out.

[jackalackacrud]

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[annie46664]

THANKS for helping to spread the TRUTH! :)

9/11 was an INSIDE JOB! :(

R.I.P. all victims everywhere, & PEACE to all who've been involved in any manner/capacity whatsoever.

May the TRUTH prevail & the REAL perpetrators face justice.

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[TheeBaker]

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And remember kids with out 9/11 there would be no war in iraq no war in afghanistan and the oil companies which bush is an owner wouldnt have had record profits since then, dirty greedy horrible fuckers they are.

9/11 was an inside job R.I.P

[911insidejob9117]

R.I.P. Iraq war victims

[davewoodring]

ghandi made moves, and so did william wallace, who want to take on 800lb gorrilla?

[bebop54]

important vid' ...thanks

[Cres45]

Over 1 million Iraqis are dead till now and the murders try to mislead us with lies. Thank you for showing the truth.

[llstevej]

Thank you for all of the work you do. What really troubles me is that the church in USA did not oppose the war. Us Americans like to point out human rights abuses around the world which is good but first we should deal with our country (or else we are hypocrites). Keep pressing on for justice!

[ntheAttic]

Thanks for letting the truth out.

[mza555]

Great video and great work capitalistHolocaust and I really would love to see a new one also about the real # of the dead solders in this war includes the number of dead after being injured and not only the dead on spot count. All people need to know what the hell is going on over there. Thank you again

[KenCat1337]

Question 100% of what you experience. If all did this, most would realize how truly horrible all these wars are.

5/5

VivA.

[CrowbarUpsideTheHead]

Great video, Capitalist Holocaust!

People can also see a CounterPunch effort at:

counterpunchDOTorgSLASHandrew0­1122008DOThtml

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Thanks for that Crow.

Good article. Interesting points about the sloppy Methodology used in the IFHS Survey & Iraq Body Counts.

I've put a link to it right at the bottom of the video info section if anyone wants to read it.

[westphalianprinz]

Sounds about right. These people will do anything to make themselves look better in history, but keep in mind, they had to admit to 151,000 deaths. That's far too many for an unnecessary and illegal act of aggression. One death is one too many. I trust The Lancet study far more than their monkeyed numbers.