1 david miscavige should wear flat shoes so we will all know he is a midget 2 LRH racist remarks should be posted on the front of each org. 3 xenu should be reported mising, no one has heard from him in 75 million years 4 someone should ask d.Ms wife where she is now and why she married such a small man 5 Tom Cruise should get help 6 John travolta should come out of the closet 7 you fuckers should stop child labor 8 get miscavige some boxing lessons 9 get a life 10 get fucked
Your demands? Who are you again? Oh ya anonmyass something or other...What about the Churches demands! Ya'll better call them and find out what "they" want to end this thing. Anonmyass is falling apart. All that is left is the same old nuts who have been hanging around for years, tory magroo, bunker, bla, bla, bla and a couple of kids at mommies. You need to find out what they want to not make "anon" look like the complete FAIL they really are!
Tell you the truth, this is a step I almost expect from Anonymous. So far it has been peaceful protests and informing the public and reaching out to those who desperately want to leave the church. The church will continue its practices until they are forced to do otherwise. The best bet is to convince your congressman that these are reasonable terms and should be investigated by the US government until the Co$ complies.
I want the immidiate resignation of David Miscavige from the RTC, and for him to be surrendered to the authorities, as well as any other execs an INT Base who are still comitting Human Rights Abuses.
Ironhead, I'm with you. This whole thing requires federal criminal investigations in every country. Whether that is going to happen or not--who can say?
The vulnerable members at the bottom aren't going to get any relief or have any democratic freedom within the organization until then.
Suggested revision of practices? Still won't change the pall that hangs over this corrupt bunch, that'll probably remain forever. I believe that all of the hiearchy should be held directly accountable for all crimes, all assets should be seized to repair damages done (and I doubt that'd be enough), back taxes to '93 (or whatever), seizure of all off shore accounts held by members in high standing, funds to be returned to members and families, back wages as per min. wage laws, etc.
Well for some the revisions of Hare Krishna didn't resolve the fact that one of their leaders committed murders, either. And there's not a lot of successful recruiting either. However, there are small patches left who conform to the law.
I agree with the your statement about reparations. It would actually depend on the country how that would be done and therein probably lies the problem. They just keep shuffling money to where it is safe.
hehehehehehehehe you have made lot people laugh , guess movies does hit people minds , very noisy sound , terrorists asks for demands , no one cares about your demands . watch my video it will refresh you .
Activists make demands for change. Ignorance does not change fact.
If a bomb drops on my house I cannot shut off the computer and ignore it. Making videos is hardly a terrorist act and using that accusation is crying "wolf" into the wind. No one is buying it.
I'm pleased that you are so amused. That does not change the need for public accountability within CoS. And most of the public are no longer taking CoS abuses as a laughing matter.
See what did I just say??? Even when he copies my thought and twists it to his own purpose he still either can't see it or he is "squirlling" my tech. LOL
OMG! this guy has a threat to anon. on his channel page saying that people should not protest on the April 12 or people will get hurt !!!! HE claims he is some kind of Dark Knight !! Annon. may need to put out a DVD showing the threats that are made to them.
I will download his video Incase he pulls it down.
I think it would be better for you to state "goals". I think demands sounds like a terrorist and that is how they will take it. Tell the public your goals as well as CoS. However I would not expect them to just send in a check to the IRS and say "here you go". If you want them to pay taxes you need to go to Washington. ... Hmmm...
They don't have church status in Canada but I can't find anything on whether they have some sort of non-profit status. If anyone knows, please inform me.
There have also been numerous criminal convictions here.
Perhaps there is a word somewhere between "demands" and "goals" that the general membership of Anon would prefer?
After all, we're TELLING them what they need to change--not asking them what they want to do [though if they start to fix some things, that may be something for another day]
Can the dianetics buisness be reformed? It was corrupt from the start with it's leader. The organization is still corrupt from the core. It would be nice to see open dialogue with members who are interested in change. The control on them might be too great. FEAR is the ultimate controling method. The members are taught to be afraid of the wog world, their superiors, each other and especially if they try to leave. I'm concerned about all those innocent children that are being experimented on.
The 'standard' tech is screwed, but some of the ideas could be beneficial. The notion of reactive mind is useful; the problem with Dianetics are the premises that without such interference the mind runs unerringly, like a computer, and that this is a desirable thing. I would add to this model a 'creative mind'.
Some of the memes escaped via Werner Erhard and were used in his 'est' training, which has since been replaced by the Landmark Forum.
Hare Krishna started out the same way but there are a few HK communes left that are not abusive due to massive criminal charges and changes in organizational structure.
Mind you, the HK started with a very OLD religious premise and built on it so their religious foundation was/is likely more coherent.
Other charities have been corrupt,wiped clean and now do good work. Call me a bit optimistic but the past tells us this IS possible if the members of CoS are willing to save their church.
i agree although the word demand is strong once u start it really follows with what we are asking and if you read the "demands" there common sense requests that should already be taking place.... i heart u anonoutreach for your vids
Thanks for making me think *chuckle* because I DID have to think about your statement.
Are we ASKING CoS to change or are we TELLING them to change?
In my mind, that's the difference between "goals" [something we work towards with options] or "demands" [stop it or we must take action against you such as protesting and public denouncement].
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
i only watched 1 minute of this video post. ther IS, WAS and WILL be only ONE demand. scientology has to be erased. anyone suggesting differently is backed by Co$, and NOT worth any attention. lets take all their assets, that would finance a war against iran.
That is not our prerogative. They must be made to answer for their crimes, but the organization could live on in some form. At the very least, their auditing practices will continue in Free Zone churches.
"anyone suggesting differently is backed by Co$, and NOT worth any attention."
Poisoning the well. Please use a real argument.
"that would finance a war against iran."
Ah, a fascist. Were you planning to fight in this war yourself?
I'm actually ok with the word "demands"--that's usually what activist groups present the government with during protests.
Is it Harsh? Well we're talking about a paramilitary criminal organization that unlawfully imprisons people, harasses and litigates against detractors and engages in black ops.
Somehow, I don't think they'll be open to "requests".
Good reasoning and this should be on a picket sign. And mailed actually I want to copy and paste the demands and post them as comments what do you think?
Well thank you. Someone above said the word "goals" was better. However, I believe that ANON as a group may have GOALS but what we are doing to CoS is "demanding" change or we will continue to pressure them until our goals are met.
I based that on the complaints made by CoS members and the general public.
The bottom line is that non-profit agencies legally must operate under those conditions. Even corporations are subject to membership by stockholders.
Surprisingly enough, even Catholic churches have these rules. Although the clergy has an ancient hierarchical system, the actual boards are made up of churchgoing members.
anoni81b4u 2 weeks ago
why cloak voice.. are you affraid of these xenu Nutts ??
Alorrana 1 year ago
I add one thing to the list.
Scientology must send me $1,000,000.00 cash in time for my fall vaction.
DAILEYericCaryUSA 2 years ago
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Your demands? Who are you again? Oh ya anonmyass something or other...What about the Churches demands! Ya'll better call them and find out what "they" want to end this thing. Anonmyass is falling apart. All that is left is the same old nuts who have been hanging around for years, tory magroo, bunker, bla, bla, bla and a couple of kids at mommies. You need to find out what they want to not make "anon" look like the complete FAIL they really are!
Just trying to help,
Lizzy
biglizard45 3 years ago
Lizzy:
Thank you for sharing.
"Trying to Help"? Hardly. Sarcasm, as you can see above is neither helpful nor enlightening nor is it intelligent debate.
If you wish to make debate points, I'm there for it.
If you're just here to be abusive you have had your one chance, and one chance is all you get.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
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biglizard45 3 years ago
Debate whether or not you believe those are valid demands from those who oppose CoS practises.
What works? What doesn't work? Is it possible to make such demands?
Given that there have been a number of recent RICO developments--is it necessary anymore?
There are probably dozens of debate points in such a video depending on how one wants to view such a list.
As for the Viacom problem--it's not relevant to this particular video. It's a South of France argument.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
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biglizard45 3 years ago
Thanks:)
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
this voice over is trippy & i like it cept i had to lower the volume down some but i would say that's good anyway
GreatestPotential 3 years ago
thanks:)
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
No demands. The Little Leader won't go for this
This will work
1.ZERG RUSH
2. ???
3. WIN
thebaddoctor 3 years ago
hmmm, perhaps we send mass letters of our demands to their HQ, or something like that.
DemandTruthLiberty 3 years ago 2
We need to be clear about what we're demanding that CoS do and what the results will be if they do not comply with these concerns.
I thought this video might get Anons thinking about what they're really hoping to see happen as a result of our actions.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Tell you the truth, this is a step I almost expect from Anonymous. So far it has been peaceful protests and informing the public and reaching out to those who desperately want to leave the church. The church will continue its practices until they are forced to do otherwise. The best bet is to convince your congressman that these are reasonable terms and should be investigated by the US government until the Co$ complies.
Even a Congressman can be Anonymous
skinbourne 3 years ago 4
Skinbourne, I agree with you. It's going to take [name the country] officials to put an end to the charade that this is anything resembling a church.
I threw out to other Anons the idea of "demands" to discuss because that is a fairly common activist practice when dealing with the target of protest.
These demands actually, could be re-written and handed to federal governments.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
I want the immidiate resignation of David Miscavige from the RTC, and for him to be surrendered to the authorities, as well as any other execs an INT Base who are still comitting Human Rights Abuses.
Ironhead097 3 years ago 3
Ironhead, I'm with you. This whole thing requires federal criminal investigations in every country. Whether that is going to happen or not--who can say?
The vulnerable members at the bottom aren't going to get any relief or have any democratic freedom within the organization until then.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
i five star'd it
AnonTerrorist 3 years ago
Thank you.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Suggested revision of practices? Still won't change the pall that hangs over this corrupt bunch, that'll probably remain forever. I believe that all of the hiearchy should be held directly accountable for all crimes, all assets should be seized to repair damages done (and I doubt that'd be enough), back taxes to '93 (or whatever), seizure of all off shore accounts held by members in high standing, funds to be returned to members and families, back wages as per min. wage laws, etc.
FK 'EM!
Ogsonofgroo 3 years ago
Well for some the revisions of Hare Krishna didn't resolve the fact that one of their leaders committed murders, either. And there's not a lot of successful recruiting either. However, there are small patches left who conform to the law.
I agree with the your statement about reparations. It would actually depend on the country how that would be done and therein probably lies the problem. They just keep shuffling money to where it is safe.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
hehehehehehehehe you have made lot people laugh , guess movies does hit people minds , very noisy sound , terrorists asks for demands , no one cares about your demands . watch my video it will refresh you .
53whatever 3 years ago
Activists make demands for change. Ignorance does not change fact.
If a bomb drops on my house I cannot shut off the computer and ignore it. Making videos is hardly a terrorist act and using that accusation is crying "wolf" into the wind. No one is buying it.
I'm pleased that you are so amused. That does not change the need for public accountability within CoS. And most of the public are no longer taking CoS abuses as a laughing matter.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
See what did I just say??? Even when he copies my thought and twists it to his own purpose he still either can't see it or he is "squirlling" my tech. LOL
MrFyde 3 years ago
Sorry MrFyde I'm a bit lost. Was it me you're referring to?
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
OMG! this guy has a threat to anon. on his channel page saying that people should not protest on the April 12 or people will get hurt !!!! HE claims he is some kind of Dark Knight !! Annon. may need to put out a DVD showing the threats that are made to them.
I will download his video Incase he pulls it down.
MrFyde 3 years ago
Which guy? Can you please name names?
I haven't threatened anyone so who are you referring to?
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
sorry I may not have responded in the right place I am talking about the "Threats" from 53whatever. He is warning people not to protest in April
MrFyde 3 years ago 2
S'okay, I screw that up all the time. Hard to keep track when it's hopping here LOL
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Yes, criminal threatening by 53whatever. I noticed...
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Yes I DLed 53whatever's file as well.
Congratulations 53--you just broke the law in Canada.
53 whatever--What would you like me to do with this file?
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
OOOPS MrFyde is referring to 53whatever.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
I downloaded him too.
"Watercannons"? Har har. Not in Canada. IF anything happens to the protesters in Canada the stench won't wash off CoS in the next 200 years.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
I think it would be better for you to state "goals". I think demands sounds like a terrorist and that is how they will take it. Tell the public your goals as well as CoS. However I would not expect them to just send in a check to the IRS and say "here you go". If you want them to pay taxes you need to go to Washington. ... Hmmm...
MrFyde 3 years ago 4
They don't have church status in Canada but I can't find anything on whether they have some sort of non-profit status. If anyone knows, please inform me.
There have also been numerous criminal convictions here.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Perhaps there is a word somewhere between "demands" and "goals" that the general membership of Anon would prefer?
After all, we're TELLING them what they need to change--not asking them what they want to do [though if they start to fix some things, that may be something for another day]
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
expectations
ohbuddyiliketowatch 3 years ago
Great video.
xenuke 3 years ago
Thank you. Hope it made you think a bit:)
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Thank you for your support.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Can the dianetics buisness be reformed? It was corrupt from the start with it's leader. The organization is still corrupt from the core. It would be nice to see open dialogue with members who are interested in change. The control on them might be too great. FEAR is the ultimate controling method. The members are taught to be afraid of the wog world, their superiors, each other and especially if they try to leave. I'm concerned about all those innocent children that are being experimented on.
EarthTrekTech 3 years ago 4
"Can the dianetics buisness be reformed?"
The 'standard' tech is screwed, but some of the ideas could be beneficial. The notion of reactive mind is useful; the problem with Dianetics are the premises that without such interference the mind runs unerringly, like a computer, and that this is a desirable thing. I would add to this model a 'creative mind'.
Some of the memes escaped via Werner Erhard and were used in his 'est' training, which has since been replaced by the Landmark Forum.
AnonDividedByZero 3 years ago 2
Hare Krishna started out the same way but there are a few HK communes left that are not abusive due to massive criminal charges and changes in organizational structure.
Mind you, the HK started with a very OLD religious premise and built on it so their religious foundation was/is likely more coherent.
Other charities have been corrupt,wiped clean and now do good work. Call me a bit optimistic but the past tells us this IS possible if the members of CoS are willing to save their church.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Excellent.
xzen667 3 years ago 2
i agree although the word demand is strong once u start it really follows with what we are asking and if you read the "demands" there common sense requests that should already be taking place.... i heart u anonoutreach for your vids
ohbuddyiliketowatch 3 years ago 6
Thanks for making me think *chuckle* because I DID have to think about your statement.
Are we ASKING CoS to change or are we TELLING them to change?
In my mind, that's the difference between "goals" [something we work towards with options] or "demands" [stop it or we must take action against you such as protesting and public denouncement].
Thanks for the ponder moments:)
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
yeah i only make sense half of the time but at least u understood some of it... and thanks for being so nice about it........
ohbuddyiliketowatch 3 years ago
It's easier to see what more someone has to say than stick my foot in my mouth because I misunderstood *chuckle*
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
i heart u anonoutreach........
ohbuddyiliketowatch 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i only watched 1 minute of this video post. ther IS, WAS and WILL be only ONE demand. scientology has to be erased. anyone suggesting differently is backed by Co$, and NOT worth any attention. lets take all their assets, that would finance a war against iran.
WallHallica 3 years ago
You cannot simply wipe this off the face of the earth. It won't happen anymore than Anonymous will disappear.
What you can do is make them accountable.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
What are you on about?
Ludicrous comment.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
"scientology has to be erased."
That is not our prerogative. They must be made to answer for their crimes, but the organization could live on in some form. At the very least, their auditing practices will continue in Free Zone churches.
"anyone suggesting differently is backed by Co$, and NOT worth any attention."
Poisoning the well. Please use a real argument.
"that would finance a war against iran."
Ah, a fascist. Were you planning to fight in this war yourself?
Didn't think so.
AnonDividedByZero 3 years ago 3
I agree with your perogatives. It's about stopping the criminal actions and abusive policies. This must be our goal.
It's a fairly new religion and it will either fix itself as some newer religions have done or slowly erase out of existance.
But it can't continue the abuses.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
A list of demands is a poor idea. Demands are seen as a method of blackmail and are often held in connotation with ransom.
We do not have demands. We have goals.
I kindly request that the video/description be changed to reflect this.
cabbykins 3 years ago 3
I agree with this guy
exiledforcefreak 3 years ago
Thank you. At least I hope to open the discussion around what Anon is really asking CoS to do to remedy the situation.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Call them suggestions then. The idea is for Anonymous to be clear in what they expect CoS to do and to be clear in what they believe needs to happen.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Demands are often made by activist groups to keep everyone focussed and for the target of the protest to understand what exactly the concerns are.
It is my suggestion. I am hoping to open discussion around what it is that Anonymous is really asking CoS to do.
Thank you for your sensible comment.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Goals are a good idea. I like it!
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
no no no, go back to demands. Goals make us sound like a bunch of hippies
Ironhead097 3 years ago
A little too social service-y sounding?
I'm actually ok with the word "demands"--that's usually what activist groups present the government with during protests.
Is it Harsh? Well we're talking about a paramilitary criminal organization that unlawfully imprisons people, harasses and litigates against detractors and engages in black ops.
Somehow, I don't think they'll be open to "requests".
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Ditto here; they have shown that they are devoid of shame. They are also extremely dogmatic and self-serving, so demanding anything will be futile.
Desmaad 3 years ago
It's not necessarily about having CoS management comply with those demands.
It's about the general public, politicians and regular CoS members etc. understanding what needs to happen.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
Good reasoning and this should be on a picket sign. And mailed actually I want to copy and paste the demands and post them as comments what do you think?
Rebellion100 3 years ago
Ideas are free--you may want to write them better than I did but you are welcome to do as you see fit.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
I agree - well and truly stated.
This is a great platform for us to adopt for upcoming actions (one is the focus of each upcoming month).
Here, here.
anonfagg 3 years ago
Well thank you. Someone above said the word "goals" was better. However, I believe that ANON as a group may have GOALS but what we are doing to CoS is "demanding" change or we will continue to pressure them until our goals are met.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
An excellent list of demands for reform.
I'd like to see the church try to explain
in public why this list is "hate speech"
or "religious bigotry".
filos2 3 years ago
Thank You.
I based that on the complaints made by CoS members and the general public.
The bottom line is that non-profit agencies legally must operate under those conditions. Even corporations are subject to membership by stockholders.
Surprisingly enough, even Catholic churches have these rules. Although the clergy has an ancient hierarchical system, the actual boards are made up of churchgoing members.
I fail to see why CoS is an exception.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
"I fail to see why CoS is an exception."
Oh, that's easy.
Why should wog law, which comes from the psychiatrist-run government, apply to them, the only ones who can actually help people?
Coming from me it's sarcasm, of course, but I think they actually see it that way.
AnonDividedByZero 3 years ago 2
Well it WAS a rhetorical statement *chuckle*
Glad you caught it...
AnonOutreach 3 years ago