... you can't even prove that the soul does exist.
You won't wanna talk about gambling, but, really, the issue you have picked is not a Matrix "red or blue" situation, where we have one of two choices, there are many choices. Even with just Jesus, you have several demoniations right away. This is also assuming Jesus "is the one true God".
Last but not least... this only shows more of your cowardice rather than your intellect.
As an atheist I like to answer these kinds of questions. You complain about fallacy, but use it as an argument. Your god is one of hundreds of creator gods, so even if one of them does exist, you're still gambling that you've picked the right one.
Also, can you share any evidence for your god that cannot also be used to support another?
Crap I forgot to wear socks on my hands and to eat nothing but vinegar and Stephen Fry's socks liquefied in a blender because there MIGHT be a killer teapot-spaghetti monster hybrid that MIGHT burn me in hell forever if I don't. You might as well do this because however small the chance of this actually being right there's still a chance and if you are right and you did do all tat stuff then eternal bliss if you were wrong and you did well, you lost nothing. And if you didn't, eternal pain.
I have no place telling anyone how to believe, I can only explain myself.
Personally, the god people keep trying to convince me of - the perfect, loving, forgiving god - would forgive my disbelief and take into account more that I tried to be a good person and help people... if he exists.
If your biology governs everything about you (both mental amd physical), the "soul" is functionless, whatever you chose to label it. Furthermore, if it is non-physical it can not interact with the physical, and can hence not be held accountable for anything you do.
In other words, the soul either does not exist, or is entirely worthless, so "gambling" it isn't a big deal at all.
There are evidences both ways, but there is an overwhelming amount against the existence of God (Judeo-Christian or Deistic). There are types of philosophy that deal with this.
Religion is just a word,the power to do any thing we desire is within each of us. If faith that things can happen is the vehicle then desire the fuel and intent the steering wheel.If you put a the block of any book of rules in your own way then you have set the parameters of your life to match that way of thinking. In each of us are two important parts, one is the thinker, the other is the prover.what the thinker thinks the prover proves.
1) "I cannot will myself to believe something I don't naturally believe. I would only be faking it and hence insulting God's intelligence." - Better to be in the 6th Circle than the 8th, for any Dante fans out there.
2) "Pascal's Wager is a false dichotomy. There are multiple religions in the world threatening hell for nonbelief." - It is impossible NOT to gamble.
1) "I don't have a soul to gamble" - Probably not, but you conceivably could have one even if you don't believe it, so why not hedge your bet?
2) "There is no specific evidence for God" - That's irrelevant to Pascal's Wager. Even without any evidence there still is a nonzero possibility of God existing, and mathematically Pascal is saying for any nonzero probability the dominant strategy is to believe.
Pascal's Wager is mistaken but not for these reasons.
It's impossible to prove a negative! You can therefore not prove that God does not exist. But what if your christian god or whatever does not exist, but Thor and Odin does. Or maybe, Ra! No wait, Zeus! nah, it's gotta be the sungod! Can't you see how silly this is? I only mentioned like 5 of the probably hundreds or thousands of religion that have existed with different gods. So why not live this life to the fullest instead of wasting it on believing on one no-reason-to-believe-in-at-all-God.
Why gamble? Why waste your life worshiping a god you believe to be completely bogus (man-made). If there is a god, he's not going to send a good, compassionate, moral human being like myself to hell simply because there wasn't enough evidence for his existence. Just because I dismiss the Abrahamic God doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the possibility of a god's existence. I have no reason to believe in heaven and hell.
In truth, we are all GUESSING. To pontificate that we KNOW it to reveal flawed thinking. Pascal's Wager was nothing more than a rehash of Socrates arguements on to believe or not believe in God. Anyway, should we? Well, yes, you should at least try and pray to God (if he exists) that he help you. Just that simple. If there is a God he is probably asking: Just How Stupid Are You?!?
To answer you question "why gamble?" Simple, because you will almost certainly win. If the probobility for the non existance of god is around 99.9%, then logic would tell you that you will undoubtly win if you gamble. If gamble the other way, then you'd be very silly. So what is at stake if you this? Well, just the opportunity of living your life to its full potential.
Yes, I want to live life to its fullest. But No-one can say what the 'odds' are for a certainty though and if there is a 'after-life' I'm pretty sure I want to live that life to the fullest too!
You say you have evidence for god but you fail to mention them. Also, the biggest evidence for the non existance of god is the lack of evidence supporting its existance! The same logic is used to other mythical beings such as Zeus, Fairies, Fire breathing dragons, and so on.
Scientifically, probability of any diety (including Christianity's god) existing is 0.01% (since we don't know everything in the universe)- but no one really cares. It might as well be 0.00%
In truth, we are all GUESSING. To pontificate that you KNOW it to reveal flawed thinking. Pascal's Wager was nothing more than a rehash of Socrates arguements on to believe or not believe in God. So, should we? Well, yes, you should at least try and pray to God that he can help you. Just that simple.
Yes, whoever created the universe. That is what he was calling 'god'. You have to get into his talks with Plato to see it better as Plato had a broder view of life.
It was deistic. Plato was pulling it that way as socrates was an obsessive moralist and Plato was more objective IMO. Of course, I guess you could apply the same logic to ether.
Seriously though (and I'm speaking as a former born-again Christian). The 'evidence' for Jesus is really flimsy. Even if you confine your evidence to the books of the books of the bible, you can show how Jesus likely didn't even exist, let alone was the 'savior'.
I left a comment on your page about your comment on mine. Im not going to take any of the comments down bc then people would be presented with an unbias opinion. I didnt get to make another video on these topics tonight but hopefully I will be able to soon.
This is just one more version Pascal's Wager which doesn't work because it's based on a false binary. What it the Muslim god is the real deal? What if Satan is the only god? What if it one of the many Hindu gods? There are simply too many mutually condemning gods for a safe bet.
Once you see that Pascal's wager supports equally not only Christianity, not even all religions, the game is up. For infinitely many such religions are possible, which do you choose? Choose any of them and the best chance is 50:50 (Christianity is but one ticket in a lottery with INFINITELY MANY TICKETS. Each has an equal chance of being the best
"I am with you always, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20), versus "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always" (Matthew 26:11 , Mark 14:7, John 12:8) and "Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am thither ye cannot come" (John 7:34). Is this the kind of friend one can rely on?
Jesus said, "whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matthew 5:22). Yet, he himself did so repeatedly, as Matthew 23:17-19 and Luke 11:40 & 12:20 show. Clearly Jesus should be in danger of hell too?
Sorry if you don't use LITERAL interpretation, you go to hell.Rev. 1:3; 22:18-19... every attempt you make to suggest what god said or Christ may have said is blasphemy and your going to hell for it
In John 14:13-14 Jesus stated: "And whatsoever ye ask in my name I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it." In reality, millions of people have made millions of requests in Jesus' name and failed to receive satisfaction. This promise or prophecy has failed completely.
Deuteronomy 23:2 says that bastards can not attend church unto the tenth generation. If Jesus was spawned by Mary and Jehovah as the Bible claims then he is technically a bastard and should not be the leader of the church
John 5:31 says "IF I bear witness of myself it is not true." but then verse 32 says "There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true" He is speaking of bearing witness only by Himself which He says in the later verse is not true bc the Father is in Him.
I've never heard any evidence given, that supports your position that god exits. In fact, polythesim has been around longer the monothesim. Christna has been around 3,000 years BEFORE christ, and bears over 700 similarites. I can prove that the bible contains fallacies; therefore, any belief on a nontruth should not be belived.
We dont really know which one was first (poly or mono). Even if we find scrolls dating to be the first ever discovered, there still could have been an oral tradition even older than that.
Christianity began with the teachings of Jesus Christ around 30 C.E; However, The texts they created are the Vedas, which were written around 1,500 B.C.E. (before common era) 346 elements in common within Christian and Hindu writings, and through the essences the Christ story was fabricated.
You can make whatever claims you want regarding "common elements" but according to many archeoligists polytheism may have stemmed off of monotheism or vise versa but we dont know which way it happened. I believe it was monotheism which was first.
That's "your" belief, which your not a credible expert one;however, according to the National Academy of Sciences. It was Polytheism, namely hindusm(pray on that fucker)Krishna came before christ, the story was copied into Hebrew and thus jesus story was made. Therefore, Christ never existed
6) Why do atheists not have evidence of NO god? Because it is a NEGATIVE CLAIM and these claims logically CANNOT have evidence - it is a scientific impossibility.
7) Atheist-gnostics claim that God cannot 100% exist. Most atheists are atheist-agnostics - we say say God is highly improbable to exist (a.k.a. 99.99% does not exist).
I didnt ask anyone to prove a negative...I simply said if it was proven to me I would be an atheist. And im sure if God was proven to you then you would be a theist!
We can't prove there is no god - in fact, scientifically nothing can be proven.
God cannot be proven or disproved. But I WOULD believe if there was enough evidence for God. Then I'd simply be a theist -- I still wouldn't be in a religion.
And I have no problems with that. I dont say you must have a religion. In fact I have mixed feelings about religion bc it does at times try to mix itself with the government. It hurts religious ppl when it does this also but ppl fail to realize that.
The thing is.. you are gambling with your soul right now. You probably knew someone would bring this up, but of the hundreds of Gods that people claim that exist you put your soul on this one God... Oh the odds are in your favor at this point in time, Christianity has the most believers... Then again was that big $3k bet in good odds or?... You didn't go for it... People call me an Atheist, I say I'm only neutral.
Pascal's wager; false dichotomy. The problem with your argument is you assume there are only two options. It's either god or nothing, but this is not the case. With what little evidence there is there are infinite options. The odds are not 50/50 as you imply, but 1/infinity. In other words you're already gambling in a "game" created by mankind long ago, and the odds are not stacked in your favor. Of course there's no way to win or lose, so why participate?
You said that you've evidence of god. Please submit it to a leading scientific journal, I'm sure they'd love an exclusive like that. You said that if shown 100% god does not exist, you 'll be an atheist. 100% proof of god's existence would convince atheists. So, no ground can be made with that point for either side. Null points all around I think.
Oh boy, you got us atheists stumped...with that sophomoric and easily refuted arguement.
You have evidence that god exists? Agnostic skeptical people have a very strict definition of what evidence can consist of, so be careful which god you choose to believe in.
I didn't say you did. I was merely being sarcastic to illustrate that this Wager you posed isn't something atheists haven't already thought about, and have to deal with everytime we try to talk to a theist.
The problem with this question is that you're assuming we have a choice in what we believe. By choice I mean the ability to change our belief without a change in circumstance (ie Give me good evidence of god and I will believe). Asking me to believe on the basis of risk is plain dumb because - I CANNOT CHANGE MY BELIEF IF I WANTED TO!!!!
Theres only one person who can do that, and hes probably not around anyway..
if a god exists you have an almost equal chance of "gettin it wrong" as any atheist just for the fact we atheists believe in one less god then you. you are atheistic about every single god out there but for 1. you are in the same boat as any atheist.atheists can be right(no god), you can be right (your god exist)or we both can be wrong and both of us can end up in some other religion's verson of hell.
This is like the reverse of Pascal's Wager. If you feel like you are gambling with your eternal soul you shouldn't do it. But since I dont believe I have one, I lack a belief in a deity. It is a bad reason to believe or disbelieve as a means to achieve some end. You do either of those because they make sense to you.
you ignore all the other religions all the other hells therefore your wager fails in every other goddamn way.... YOU FAIL
tw0m0ch 1 year ago
Epic Fail.
johnnycrisp22 3 years ago
Dude, if you are not joking, then you are a complete and utter fucking dumb cunt.
HoldemDB9 3 years ago
simple wat about if allah exist then we r both screwed
rob0is0god 3 years ago
... you can't even prove that the soul does exist.
You won't wanna talk about gambling, but, really, the issue you have picked is not a Matrix "red or blue" situation, where we have one of two choices, there are many choices. Even with just Jesus, you have several demoniations right away. This is also assuming Jesus "is the one true God".
Last but not least... this only shows more of your cowardice rather than your intellect.
sonic8005 3 years ago
If you need to secure yourself, you better convert to judiasm, hinduism, and everything else.
oldskool2121 3 years ago
As an atheist I like to answer these kinds of questions. You complain about fallacy, but use it as an argument. Your god is one of hundreds of creator gods, so even if one of them does exist, you're still gambling that you've picked the right one.
Also, can you share any evidence for your god that cannot also be used to support another?
Overseer82 3 years ago
Crap I forgot to wear socks on my hands and to eat nothing but vinegar and Stephen Fry's socks liquefied in a blender because there MIGHT be a killer teapot-spaghetti monster hybrid that MIGHT burn me in hell forever if I don't. You might as well do this because however small the chance of this actually being right there's still a chance and if you are right and you did do all tat stuff then eternal bliss if you were wrong and you did well, you lost nothing. And if you didn't, eternal pain.
2344553 3 years ago
I have no place telling anyone how to believe, I can only explain myself.
Personally, the god people keep trying to convince me of - the perfect, loving, forgiving god - would forgive my disbelief and take into account more that I tried to be a good person and help people... if he exists.
Krysannia521 4 years ago
i love to gamble but not with my life...that i do with "reason" and "eloquence"
BigBrother187 4 years ago
You believe in all of the gods or just one.. GAMBLER!
pzkane 4 years ago
If your biology governs everything about you (both mental amd physical), the "soul" is functionless, whatever you chose to label it. Furthermore, if it is non-physical it can not interact with the physical, and can hence not be held accountable for anything you do.
In other words, the soul either does not exist, or is entirely worthless, so "gambling" it isn't a big deal at all.
Uxoriouswidow 4 years ago
With logic like this, I'd love a game of Texas Hold'em with you .. what do you say?
jazzx251 4 years ago
What evidence? There's no evidence to force the argument either way you fucking idiot.
themanwhoknew 4 years ago
There are evidences both ways, but there is an overwhelming amount against the existence of God (Judeo-Christian or Deistic). There are types of philosophy that deal with this.
Uxoriouswidow 4 years ago
oh wow I was a real dick 2 months ago. Things do change fast.
Anyway the argument this guy's talking about is Pascal's wager which is easily flawd.
And yes you're right there are evidence either way but there are two different levels of standard.
themanwhoknew 4 years ago
Religion is just a word,the power to do any thing we desire is within each of us. If faith that things can happen is the vehicle then desire the fuel and intent the steering wheel.If you put a the block of any book of rules in your own way then you have set the parameters of your life to match that way of thinking. In each of us are two important parts, one is the thinker, the other is the prover.what the thinker thinks the prover proves.
minei8u2 4 years ago
The REAL counterarguments are:
1) "I cannot will myself to believe something I don't naturally believe. I would only be faking it and hence insulting God's intelligence." - Better to be in the 6th Circle than the 8th, for any Dante fans out there.
2) "Pascal's Wager is a false dichotomy. There are multiple religions in the world threatening hell for nonbelief." - It is impossible NOT to gamble.
ianw115 4 years ago
1) "I don't have a soul to gamble" - Probably not, but you conceivably could have one even if you don't believe it, so why not hedge your bet?
2) "There is no specific evidence for God" - That's irrelevant to Pascal's Wager. Even without any evidence there still is a nonzero possibility of God existing, and mathematically Pascal is saying for any nonzero probability the dominant strategy is to believe.
Pascal's Wager is mistaken but not for these reasons.
ianw115 4 years ago
you can show us the creator of the the flying spaghetti monster.
we can show you the creators of zeus, odin, allah, YHWH, jesus. They are the people who wrote down these myths.
none of the aboves existence can be disproved.
can you disprove Zeus exists?
It's just not a popular belief any more
just like your religion will lose popularity
FlappyDraws 4 years ago
It's impossible to prove a negative! You can therefore not prove that God does not exist. But what if your christian god or whatever does not exist, but Thor and Odin does. Or maybe, Ra! No wait, Zeus! nah, it's gotta be the sungod! Can't you see how silly this is? I only mentioned like 5 of the probably hundreds or thousands of religion that have existed with different gods. So why not live this life to the fullest instead of wasting it on believing on one no-reason-to-believe-in-at-all-God.
tynngrot 4 years ago
"It's impossible to prove a negative! You can therefore not prove that God does not exist"
I believe you can. There are many philosophical points that can be considered that render the possibility of God's existence negligable.
Uxoriouswidow 4 years ago
Why gamble? Why waste your life worshiping a god you believe to be completely bogus (man-made). If there is a god, he's not going to send a good, compassionate, moral human being like myself to hell simply because there wasn't enough evidence for his existence. Just because I dismiss the Abrahamic God doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the possibility of a god's existence. I have no reason to believe in heaven and hell.
desiroo 4 years ago
Seriously, you're not gambling here. Seriously, this is the worst argument ever.
rowsdowersavesus 4 years ago
Don't expect answers?
This is the most refuted argument for God.
FSM? What about Zeus, or Osiris? Or the Great Joo-joo on the bottom of the sea?
If we stay with Jehovah, then how? There are thousand of different views on what you should do to please Jehovah.
lovasip 4 years ago
prove that souls exist, describe what "souls" actually are.
there are no souls, thus, there is no gamble.
clockworkhorrorshow 4 years ago
In truth, we are all GUESSING. To pontificate that we KNOW it to reveal flawed thinking. Pascal's Wager was nothing more than a rehash of Socrates arguements on to believe or not believe in God. Anyway, should we? Well, yes, you should at least try and pray to God (if he exists) that he help you. Just that simple. If there is a God he is probably asking: Just How Stupid Are You?!?
Silly2smart 4 years ago
To answer you question "why gamble?" Simple, because you will almost certainly win. If the probobility for the non existance of god is around 99.9%, then logic would tell you that you will undoubtly win if you gamble. If gamble the other way, then you'd be very silly. So what is at stake if you this? Well, just the opportunity of living your life to its full potential.
Giles20 4 years ago
Yes, I want to live life to its fullest. But No-one can say what the 'odds' are for a certainty though and if there is a 'after-life' I'm pretty sure I want to live that life to the fullest too!
Silly2smart 4 years ago
You say you have evidence for god but you fail to mention them. Also, the biggest evidence for the non existance of god is the lack of evidence supporting its existance! The same logic is used to other mythical beings such as Zeus, Fairies, Fire breathing dragons, and so on.
Giles20 4 years ago
Pascal's Wager is SO SAD an argument. Nearly as many holes in that nonsense as in the Bible.
davidbpearson2 4 years ago
Your hat is crooked.
NinjasontheBlock 4 years ago
Lol im sorry ill try to correct it next time.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Pew warmer.
gitboy 4 years ago
Probability of Yahweh existing - 0.00%
Person who invented Yahweh - Abraham a child molesting incestuous bigamist.
Its does not sound like a good gamble to me.
mrjonnewman 4 years ago
Scientifically, probability of any diety (including Christianity's god) existing is 0.01% (since we don't know everything in the universe)- but no one really cares. It might as well be 0.00%
Bekll 4 years ago
In truth, we are all GUESSING. To pontificate that you KNOW it to reveal flawed thinking. Pascal's Wager was nothing more than a rehash of Socrates arguements on to believe or not believe in God. So, should we? Well, yes, you should at least try and pray to God that he can help you. Just that simple.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Which God? Pascal's Wager applies to every god out there and about not believing in each individual god.
Bekll 4 years ago
Socrates question was basicly about asking is there more to life than what we see. He had not a paticular god in mind.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Did he have a god in mind at all?
Bekll 4 years ago
Yes, whoever created the universe. That is what he was calling 'god'. You have to get into his talks with Plato to see it better as Plato had a broder view of life.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
A deistic or theistic version of god?
Bekll 4 years ago
It was deistic. Plato was pulling it that way as socrates was an obsessive moralist and Plato was more objective IMO. Of course, I guess you could apply the same logic to ether.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Okay.
Bekll 4 years ago
What?!?!?! The Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real? Noooooooooooo!
connortru 4 years ago
Lol I know it comes as a shock and suprise but please PLEASE dont do anything irrational!!!
goldengun85 4 years ago
Seriously though (and I'm speaking as a former born-again Christian). The 'evidence' for Jesus is really flimsy. Even if you confine your evidence to the books of the books of the bible, you can show how Jesus likely didn't even exist, let alone was the 'savior'.
connortru 4 years ago
Who purchased the potter's field? Acts 1:18 The field was purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter's field was purchased by the chief priests.
Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.
Explitiv3 4 years ago
MT 16:6, 11 Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
MK 8:15 Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod.
MT 20:29-34 Jesus heals two blind men on the way to Jericho.
MK 10:46-52 He heals one blind man.
MT 21:7 Jesus rides two animals during his triumphal entry.
MK 11:7, LK 19:35, JN 12:14 Only one animal is involved.
MT 26:7, MK 14:3, LK 7:37 An unnamed woman does the anointing.
JN 12:3 It is Mary.
Explitiv3 4 years ago
Where is YOUR evidence?
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
Consider this argument, PWND!
Explitiv3 4 years ago
Good arguments and I will post another video hopefully tonight on this topic.
goldengun85 4 years ago
I left a comment on your page about your comment on mine. Im not going to take any of the comments down bc then people would be presented with an unbias opinion. I didnt get to make another video on these topics tonight but hopefully I will be able to soon.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Without SOME evidence, every religion is an equally hopeless bet.
Explitiv3 4 years ago
This is just one more version Pascal's Wager which doesn't work because it's based on a false binary. What it the Muslim god is the real deal? What if Satan is the only god? What if it one of the many Hindu gods? There are simply too many mutually condemning gods for a safe bet.
Kailoa36 4 years ago
Once you see that Pascal's wager supports equally not only Christianity, not even all religions, the game is up. For infinitely many such religions are possible, which do you choose? Choose any of them and the best chance is 50:50 (Christianity is but one ticket in a lottery with INFINITELY MANY TICKETS. Each has an equal chance of being the best
Explitiv3 4 years ago
"I am with you always, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20), versus "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always" (Matthew 26:11 , Mark 14:7, John 12:8) and "Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am thither ye cannot come" (John 7:34). Is this the kind of friend one can rely on?
Explitiv3 4 years ago
He is speaking of Himself in the human form not in the spiritual realm.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Jesus said, "whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matthew 5:22). Yet, he himself did so repeatedly, as Matthew 23:17-19 and Luke 11:40 & 12:20 show. Clearly Jesus should be in danger of hell too?
Explitiv3 4 years ago
Its a parable and it is saying not to try and act like you are better than someone else but it does not say that they will GO to hell.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Sorry if you don't use LITERAL interpretation, you go to hell.Rev. 1:3; 22:18-19... every attempt you make to suggest what god said or Christ may have said is blasphemy and your going to hell for it
Explitiv3 4 years ago
You are attempting to interpret gods word, as you are not divinely inspired by god you are going to hell Rev. 1:3; 22:18-19
Explitiv3 4 years ago
In John 14:13-14 Jesus stated: "And whatsoever ye ask in my name I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it." In reality, millions of people have made millions of requests in Jesus' name and failed to receive satisfaction. This promise or prophecy has failed completely.
Explitiv3 4 years ago
Its also according to His will for us.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Deuteronomy 23:2 says that bastards can not attend church unto the tenth generation. If Jesus was spawned by Mary and Jehovah as the Bible claims then he is technically a bastard and should not be the leader of the church
Explitiv3 4 years ago
Please elaborate bc I dont know the heritage of Mary.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Jesus consistently contradicts himself...
"If Jesus bears witness of himself his witness is true" John 8:14, "If I bear witness of myself it is not true." John 5:31
Matthew 28:18 & John 3:35 both tell that Jesus said he could do anything. Yet Mark 6:5 says Jesus was not all powerful.
Explitiv3 4 years ago
John 5:31 says "IF I bear witness of myself it is not true." but then verse 32 says "There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true" He is speaking of bearing witness only by Himself which He says in the later verse is not true bc the Father is in Him.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Mark 6:5 is talking about how the people did not have faith.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Life is a gamble you moron!
bubbaj30 4 years ago
Lol very true and I didnt think anyone was going to respond!
goldengun85 4 years ago
I've never heard any evidence given, that supports your position that god exits. In fact, polythesim has been around longer the monothesim. Christna has been around 3,000 years BEFORE christ, and bears over 700 similarites. I can prove that the bible contains fallacies; therefore, any belief on a nontruth should not be belived.
Explitiv3 4 years ago
We dont really know which one was first (poly or mono). Even if we find scrolls dating to be the first ever discovered, there still could have been an oral tradition even older than that.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Christianity began with the teachings of Jesus Christ around 30 C.E; However, The texts they created are the Vedas, which were written around 1,500 B.C.E. (before common era) 346 elements in common within Christian and Hindu writings, and through the essences the Christ story was fabricated.
Explitiv3 4 years ago
You can make whatever claims you want regarding "common elements" but according to many archeoligists polytheism may have stemmed off of monotheism or vise versa but we dont know which way it happened. I believe it was monotheism which was first.
goldengun85 4 years ago
That's "your" belief, which your not a credible expert one;however, according to the National Academy of Sciences. It was Polytheism, namely hindusm(pray on that fucker)Krishna came before christ, the story was copied into Hebrew and thus jesus story was made. Therefore, Christ never existed
Explitiv3 4 years ago
6) Why do atheists not have evidence of NO god? Because it is a NEGATIVE CLAIM and these claims logically CANNOT have evidence - it is a scientific impossibility.
7) Atheist-gnostics claim that God cannot 100% exist. Most atheists are atheist-agnostics - we say say God is highly improbable to exist (a.k.a. 99.99% does not exist).
8) You lose. Try again.
Bekll 4 years ago
I didnt ask anyone to prove a negative...I simply said if it was proven to me I would be an atheist. And im sure if God was proven to you then you would be a theist!
goldengun85 4 years ago
We can't prove there is no god - in fact, scientifically nothing can be proven.
God cannot be proven or disproved. But I WOULD believe if there was enough evidence for God. Then I'd simply be a theist -- I still wouldn't be in a religion.
Bekll 4 years ago
And I have no problems with that. I dont say you must have a religion. In fact I have mixed feelings about religion bc it does at times try to mix itself with the government. It hurts religious ppl when it does this also but ppl fail to realize that.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Then how can you be so sure to believe in Christianity's version of God out of thousands upon thousands of others?
Bekll 4 years ago
Switch #7: "...God 100% cannot exist..."
Bekll 4 years ago
1) The soul is a MADE UP concept.
2) Most if not all atheists do not believe in the soul.
3) Atheists, then obviously, cannot gamble the soul.
4) Your entire argument is the "Pascal's Wager" which is extremely faulty. RabidApe's video explains why.
5) There is ZERO evidence of God, so you actually have NO evidence in your favor.
Bekll 4 years ago
Santa, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and the Invisible Pink Unicorn are logical fallisies but YOUR god is the one true god?
So Brahma, Shiva, Thor, Zeus, Cronus, Odin, Ra, Osiris, Ameratsu, Emma, and Quetzecoatl are all false while YOUR god somehow stands over them?
Give me a fucking break.
HexDemon666 4 years ago
The thing is.. you are gambling with your soul right now. You probably knew someone would bring this up, but of the hundreds of Gods that people claim that exist you put your soul on this one God... Oh the odds are in your favor at this point in time, Christianity has the most believers... Then again was that big $3k bet in good odds or?... You didn't go for it... People call me an Atheist, I say I'm only neutral.
NekaiiOnera 4 years ago
Pascal's wager; false dichotomy. The problem with your argument is you assume there are only two options. It's either god or nothing, but this is not the case. With what little evidence there is there are infinite options. The odds are not 50/50 as you imply, but 1/infinity. In other words you're already gambling in a "game" created by mankind long ago, and the odds are not stacked in your favor. Of course there's no way to win or lose, so why participate?
Sarren187 4 years ago
You said that you've evidence of god. Please submit it to a leading scientific journal, I'm sure they'd love an exclusive like that. You said that if shown 100% god does not exist, you 'll be an atheist. 100% proof of god's existence would convince atheists. So, no ground can be made with that point for either side. Null points all around I think.
SpookyFan 4 years ago
Also, my one life is too valuable to waste lending credence to every baseless claim that's made whether it be gods, psychics, astrology or whatever.
SpookyFan 4 years ago
Don't have a soul to gamble. I can give you the names of the people who invented Yahweh. They're written in the table of contents in the Bible.
IBEZ 4 years ago
Lol well sorry but it was a real life experience that I found meaning in.
goldengun85 4 years ago
Oh boy, you got us atheists stumped...with that sophomoric and easily refuted arguement.
You have evidence that god exists? Agnostic skeptical people have a very strict definition of what evidence can consist of, so be careful which god you choose to believe in.
DeimosSaturn 4 years ago
I never said I had atheists stumped.
goldengun85 4 years ago
I didn't say you did. I was merely being sarcastic to illustrate that this Wager you posed isn't something atheists haven't already thought about, and have to deal with everytime we try to talk to a theist.
DeimosSaturn 4 years ago
Oh ok point taken.
goldengun85 4 years ago
The problem with this question is that you're assuming we have a choice in what we believe. By choice I mean the ability to change our belief without a change in circumstance (ie Give me good evidence of god and I will believe). Asking me to believe on the basis of risk is plain dumb because - I CANNOT CHANGE MY BELIEF IF I WANTED TO!!!!
Theres only one person who can do that, and hes probably not around anyway..
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Also, what about intellectual integrity/cowardice? Would a god really appreciate you believing in him on the basis of 'just in case'?
Thats not true belief anyway and Id say such a person is as damned as us Atheists.
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Baal sends his regards, and tells you NOT to gamble your soul.
prophetwrangler 4 years ago
if a god exists you have an almost equal chance of "gettin it wrong" as any atheist just for the fact we atheists believe in one less god then you. you are atheistic about every single god out there but for 1. you are in the same boat as any atheist.atheists can be right(no god), you can be right (your god exist)or we both can be wrong and both of us can end up in some other religion's verson of hell.
QueeeeNoftheHonEBZ 4 years ago
Well said.
Bekll 4 years ago
I love this question. I don't have right time now but expect a response soon. :)
Gnophilist 4 years ago
Errr, *time right now
Gnophilist 4 years ago
Well, Mister Texas hold 'em, show your hand. Show your cards. I want to see the "evidence" you have that god exists.
indignant99 4 years ago
This is like the reverse of Pascal's Wager. If you feel like you are gambling with your eternal soul you shouldn't do it. But since I dont believe I have one, I lack a belief in a deity. It is a bad reason to believe or disbelieve as a means to achieve some end. You do either of those because they make sense to you.
funkmasterswede 4 years ago
i don't want to hear flying spaghetti monster, lol. you got it, man.
that was just so funny after all the serious stuff. good video. respondage!
HopefullyUnexpected 4 years ago