genetic enhancements must end like breast augs and transgender wierdness... how could any doctor do that to another human being? If a person must undergo some kind of surgery that will make them look funny... I guess why not try to repair it... Guns/military : Hopefully a force never to be used but all soldiers will be given a non-brainwash test of some kind to prove they are combat functional, No more U.S. soldiers putting womens underwear on Iraqi's heads. Marines cut off heads not play games
taxation is theft (period.) mother nature is very important only you can prevent forest fires! I think the age of the automobile is over... death machines, suicide ride. Electricity? We are consuming way to much for reality and common sense. Currency barter/trade system 2 pigs = 1 cow, 10 chickens = 1 pig, 10 fish = 1 chicken 10 potatoes = 1 fish etc. etc. etc. whatis-theplan (dot) org
education needs less talk about dino's and the planets and more about life skills morals and ethics training the difference between right and wrong. Schools also need to start to train people how to fish hunt and gather food and self defense should be mandatory! Judicial reform... Dude no more of this crap if a guy kills a child or something... throw him into the lions den! State reform, legalize weed, tobacco, alchohol, but if you want it you have to "grow" your own.
HAHAH I'm back! 2nd! hit score one for me! 2 fast and too educated... you want the answers look no further than God and the 10 commandments. #1 no other gods before God you vote for a pres, a prime minister, a king, it's placing a man before got. #2 no idols, flags are idols statues are idols pointless useless a waste of energy to construct. Circumcision ban it unless child has deformity, abortion ban it unless the women was raped. gay marriage (not hanging them is enough). education reform.
The cure for Aids, Cancer, Political Unrest, Politicians, Artists, and so many more lie dead at the bottom of a bucket in some clinic. It's an American Holocaust. An embarrassment for any civilized contemporary society!
@itsadeadmansparty, No we're inhuman to allow the torture of innocent children, for the sake of profit and convenience. We are ignorant to continue to have unprotected sex, we are blind to not see the abortion industry, is using American women for their personal gain. God forgive us.
@cavsigbfhelp the persons who commit these types of crimes need a firing range
and the victims who can have the baby if they are not 10 years old. They could have the baby and chance might be for dna replication errors, or the baby could be as smart as anybody else. 50/50 You might run into dead gene pools and they will not copy the baby correctly.
It is very important to give women access to safe hospitalization! I dont need women trying to give themselves abortions and anyway its not up for discussion. The rules are black and white as far as your government is concerned. For me personally, every person on earth was given unto the Earth to take for themselves, and Everybody has there own right of the body. IRS is actually very Illegal The 16 Amendment does not invoke any new powers. The Law Says "All Taxes Must Be Equally Apportioned."
If you care so much why don't you go adopt as many kids as your income can provide. If you don't want to do this ask yourself why you don't. Is it your age, finance, job, education, unstable home, or do you just not care. I think everybody who's against abortion should be forced to adopt a child to really put there values to the test. Nobody should tell someone what they can do with they're own body.
@lizazoon Everyone ON Earth Could have a Half Acre of Land and Everybody fit in Australia (for example). Malnutrition can be solved very easily, over population is not possible at this stage. If you accept that Humans made the Pyramids at Giza, then it would require more people then in China today.
itsadeadmansparty -- Malnutrition can be solved very easily,-- Has it ever been solved ? It get`s worse. Science has it`s limits to improve production, water conservation etc. Population growth cannot go on forever. You don`t need to be a rocket scientist to see that. All we need is a coupl of years drought and then you will see what overpopulation means.
@lizazoon if by science "limits" you think that we have even touched the 0.1% mark your nutz. Currently if we wanted we could use computer more and solve issues.
Btw drought is no longer possible, technology my friend. You see In air is water, and the sun provides energy, with those two things you will always have water. I wonder if you know the science behind this? The Amount of wasted food in America could feed every African. We have never been optimized as a race, we now have the tools.
If a woman who is pregnant, is involved in a car accident, the baby dies, the driver who was at fault can be prosecuted for vehicular manslaughter.
A fetus is considered a life at that time. So taking another life, is dependent upon the convenience of the pregnancy? Lives and circumstances can change in an instant. Choices made today, can be regrets of a lifetime. Help is there, to keep a life, . even if only to carry to term. It does take sacrifice, it is a difficult choice for many. Pray!
@mamahenrobin yes why not let a person decide for themselves what they want with there body. Are we inhuman to force some body to care for life when they themself cant handle life. I Highly support adoption, its probably the greatest thing available today. Trust me your genes have spread enough for today.
@itsadeadmansparty "Are we inhuman to force some body to care for life when they themself cant handle life." Um, yes, that's what welfare and government support is all about. I'm for abortion being subsidized, only because it will cut down on the waste that sucks tax dollars from productive human beings. Forcing someone to give part of their paycheck to support deadbeats is just as bad as forcing something to NOT have an abortion. It violates your individual rights, either way.
@EternallyRecurring I think I agree with you, except wellfare is great since all we do is print money, It doesnt really have any backing anyway, I say help American if we can, I would simply toss every politician we had out, and rewrite the entire constitution since its rather archaic I mean it was written for 1800's day not present situation. I say give women rights to abort if they choose, if they want to have the baby then upfor adoption, Hell even I want to adopt, The world is getting better
@itsadeadmansparty The constitution wasn't written for any specific time, it was written for people to have freedom from their government. It was and still is the basis for human rights and natural rights. I support the constitution because it limits government control over the individual. After all, the government is simply a collective of people, having control over other individuals.
@EternallyRecurring Everything in the constitution is based on idea from their time not a time where we can land rovers on the surface of Mars, Remember Jules Verne thought it was impossible to actually to goto the moon, but he wrote his fantasies down. The constitution isnt prepared to encounter the many changes we have had in the year 2000's not 1887 We are talking a time when people thought fire was still pretty awesome,They didnt have the ability to see what rules the year 2000 should have
@itsadeadmansparty The idea of individual freedom and limited government shouldn't change over time. The constitution doesn't need address specific issues as they arise. It is simply a template for government. The feds are only allowed so much power, everything else is left up to the state and each state has it's own constitution. What part of the constitution do you think needs such drastic change? We do have amendments which allow the constitution to be changed.
@EternallyRecurring Yes I agree completely,The basic freedoms will never change, or the ideas the bill of rights had in mind.We may be living in the most free country ever, not 100% sure yet, but things are getting better, since this video is about abortion and government spending,I am much more horrified that we spend 100's of thousands of dollars per minute to kill people in countries which have never provoked us or attacked this country, we kill them and we are killing each other, endlessly
Hypocrisy! What is the different between drone bombing and abortion in term of murdering innocents? Why don't we see huge protesting groups rushing to Pentagon? How about the troop increase to Afghan? Why don't we see these pro-life groups rally furiously? Health care reform need funding to council teenagers, women, victim of rape for un-wanted pregnancy, it's up to them to decide if they want to keep or abort. We should improve our knowledge for council, not religion.
What exactly is your point? That the military, officially, supports abortion? As a Catholic and a logical human being, I think it is wrong and inconsistent with the keeping of a healthy society. Moreover, abortion is incongruous to the mission of our military, which is to protect our society. The fact that the military insurance covers abortion shows a lack of harmony between the pro-aborts and the traditional mission of our armed forces. We are doomed to fall, like Rome.
@incunablum lol insurance wont cover a bullet moving three times the speed of sound slamming its way directly through your brain leaving one enormous hole. Only a foolish man would join the military, those who live by the sword die by the sword. You can't even touch this thing your fighting for "America" hah, Ask the general tomorrow whats the real deal plan? why am i dieing for you? freedom doesnt exist as long as military exists.I mean I support old western law,ie bullets and force not cops
So what if unsubsidized public option plan covers abortion. That's no different than private plans now.
Yes the Hyde Amendment applies only to the ...HHS. So what was the reason for the bill mentioning it for purposes of the public option? If you read it correctly it means that the abortion rules applicable to the Hyde Amendment will apply to the public option also. In other words the bill would have been abortion neutral - just going with the existing law - Hyde Amendment.
(3) COVERAGE UNDER PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION.—The public health insurance option shall provide coverage for services described in paragraph (4)(B)."
And paragraphi (4)(B) reads:
"ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUNDING IS ALLOWED.—The services described in this subparagraph are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is permitted, based on the law".
What about the thousands of children who have died because of no HC insurance, and the finding that those without HC insurance were far more likely to succumb to serious illnesses.
That is completely false and any study that proclaims that is a skewed study with an agenda. You do NOT have to have health care to receive care in a hospital. I personally know 3 people in the last 3 years that had loads of health care from a hospital and neither one of them had insurance. One of which, was in IC care for 1 month, hospital for 1 month and then nursing care for 3 months.
Like I said, google the Jon Hopkins study. You're accusing the Jon Hopkins children center of deliberately producing an incorrect study. Did YOU verify your theory with a study covering millions of medical files across 38 states?
People w/o insurance use the hospital emergency ward - the most expensive method of HC delivery, where they get stabilization, not health care.
The study showed that those w/o HC insur. were statistically far more likely to succumb to serious illnesses.
"Patterson is charged with three counts of first-degree murder, one for each of the Ormans and one for the unborn child. He also faces three counts of armed criminal action and one count of first-degree burglary."
This is copied from an article written on Thursday Oct. 29 2009, by Rudi Keller for the Southeast Missourian.
Conduct a Google search and you'll find the article for yourself.
Augur, that is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. I learned in eighth grade science class that new life begins at conception. Host parent? It's that kind of language that dehumanizes unborn babies. Do you know what abortion does to a baby's body? Click on America will not reject abortion until America sees abortion at the Priests for Life website, look at those mangled, bloody, & burned bodies, and tell me it should remain legal to kill babies. NOT WITH MY TAX DOLLARS!!
Get real. Those with money have no problem getting an abortion now. If you are so concerned about the HC reform bill, push for amendment or whatever to ensure it doesn't cover abortions. But don't let your single issue concern make you fight against much needed HC reform in total.
@ddktd5 So you'd rather your tax dollars go towards funding that unwanted baby all the way until they're 18 years old and then maybe they'll become something, but if you, you'll be paying for their welfare check with your taxes. That's the alternative you prefer?
@ddktd5 Protecting Life? How far does that go? From conception until when? Until birth? Until they're 18? Cradle to the grave? If it's so important to protect the life of an unborn child, isn't it just as important for the government to provide them food, shelter, health insurace and so on? Why stop when they're an adult? Why is an unborn life more important to protect than an adult.
The statistics are really secondary. People know it's wrong. Their conscience tells them so, but in the pursuit of self they deny it. They exchange the thruth of God for a lie.
I happen to be pro-choice, but it is certainly not right to force the 40 something percent of the population who is morally opposed to abortion to pay for it.
Once you and your kind succeed in stripping society of the Christian principles and impulse control that are the hallmark of western civilization, then perhaps I too will set aside my Christian principles and slit your throat, just like you do to the millions of prenatal children.
Hitler was a socialist eugenicist/social Darwinist/scientific rascist snob—just like you and Planned Parenthood—Christianity had nothing to do with the Holocaust. The problems in the Middle East are about territory, not religious doctrine. Finally, historians estimate that, since the Age of Reasons Reign of Terror, 350,000,000 innocent people have been murder at the hands of atheistic morons, socialist dimwits like you.
Dear Miss Augur, I cannot speak for Islam, but I can for Christianity: The Crusades were to help the Byzantine Empire from being taken over by Islam conquerors—if your neighbor and friend were being attacked, would you not come to their aid? Secular historians estimate that 6000 people died in the Inquisitions over a 15 year span, and those who tortured and murdered did so in direct opposition to the authority of the Church—hardly the massive atrocity bozos like you imagine
If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people to not kill each other? Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want.
Only a brain dead idiot would support the murder of the innocent unborn child in the womb. Even the animals protect their young. There is no such thing as pro choice. How can you have a choice to MURDER your own child? The Fifth Commandment of God states: Thou shall not kill. When we die we face God's judgement.
This is a response to Augur. Your use of vulgar language is demonstration of your level of knowledge on abortion and the issue of life. You should thank God you were not aborted by your Mother.
If pregnancy threatens someone's life, or could give them permanent mental and emotional damage (as in the case of rape victims), abortion may be just as much a necessary part of maintaining health and life as any other medical treatment. Generally, I am pro-life, but to paint this as such a black-white issue is ridiculous, when there are some situations where abortion may be justified or necessary, and should therefore naturally be covered by insurance, even if you personally would never do it.
Femme- Abortion is NEVER justified or necessary. If the life of the mother is at stake NOT the health (which could mean anything including stretch marks and weight gain). Then that is a tough decision that a family needs to make. The life of the mother accounts for about one tenth of one percent of all pregnancies. There are plenty of people waiting in line to adopt an unwanted child. Why should insurance cover a elective procedure, should they pay for breast implants too?
Keep your moronic religious beliefs out of what -should be- your logical brain.
The rest of the civilized world is prochoice FOR A REASON. The rest of the civilized world as free basic healthcare FOR A REASON. Wake the fuck up, America.
Moronic religious beliefs? What does religion have to do with killing innocent life? Is that okay with you? Should a parent be allowed to kill their child no matter what age they are as long as they are dependant on them? Let me ask you, non-religious one. Where do you get your moral compass from? Why should we have heathcare at all if life isn't worth protecting? Your statement seems to suggest that some lives are worth saving since you're for healthcare. Who's life? Yours?
I'm going to answer your questions in the order you asked them.
Historically speaking, religion has been the largest cause of killing "innocent" life, and no, that is not okay. A parent should not be allowed to kill their child after birth. First breath is the moment when a child is medically considered to be alive. You did not ask as a question, but I am very religious. I, however, keep my religious beliefs away from my logical brain. My morals come from my life's experiences, as do your's.
Life is worth protecting up to a certain point. Children, young adults, and adults up to a certain age. Fetuses are not, and logically speaking, neither are those of extreme age. If health care depended upon logic instead of greed as it does now, I would no longer receive health care, as I am no longer a use to society (being a disabled veteran). I can no longer give to society what I take out of it, and that means my life is not with "saving" through universal health care.
However, since health care is based on greed and I'm going to get my disability check from the U.S.A.R. even if I tell them I don't want it anymore, I take advantage of it.
With all of this having been said, logic dictates that only people who can give back to society should receive free health care. Fetuses are parasitic, but if they are healthy (and their host is healthy), their abortion should be not be legal. However, a host who is unhealthy, who has a high chance of destroying that child's life (through drugs, violence, STD's, etc) should be given a mandatory abortion.
Fetuses with high chances of being stillborn, killing their hosts, or being unable to return to society what they take (due to STD's, retardation, severe health problems, etcetera) should also be given mandatory abortions.
Parasite: Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. Babies: Grows, feeds, and is sheltered inside a womb, while contributing nothing to the survival of it's host (while often damaging the host emotionally and physically in the process, sometimes even killing the host.) It is a clear and very evident description.
We may not know the benefit that a baby provides to its mother physically at this point. Our knowledge of creation is quite limited. There is a connection between breast cancer and the age of a woman at first pregnancy, which suggests that there is some benefit or protection offered to women when they fulfill the natural plan of our bodies. There appears to be a connection between breast cancer and abortion. So, I think it is premature to say that the baby provides no benefit to the mother.
You said that you depend on a government check and don't contribute to society. Are you a parasite? Why don't you send the checks back or not cash them?
Society should decide, however; American society is so polluted with Christians that it shouldn't be allowed to decide which foot to put a sock onto first.
This is the thinking that results when one no longer believes in absolute truth or natural law. There is nothing logical about killing the old or infirm or babies in the womb.
The social logic is quite sound. There is no reason to keep supporting them after or before they have served their purpose, and with the ability -now- to know if a child will be deformed, retarded, or incompetant in some way before it escapes the womb, we have the ability to end genetic disease; not that it could happen because of all the Pro Life idiots.
You didn't answer the question. Let me rephrase it; Take religion out of the equation. What makes it right to take an innocent life period, religion has nothing to do with it? Who said the first breath is the beginning of life, what about a beating heart, doesn't that count? Your use of vulgarity, doesn't reflect any religion I know. I don't think you are a belevier in the God of the Bible. I don't know what "religion" you subscibe to.
The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act states that any baby that has been born alive is to be legally considered a person. As such, she or he would automatically be granted full protection under the U.S. Constitution. Not at the first heart beat. Not at the first movement. Not at conception. The first breath is when the baby is declared dead or alive. Illinois Supreme Court declared a child must be separate and independently living to be declared alive (Illinois vs. Elhert 2003).
Well, I'm glad that your convictions are based on what some court has to say about it and not common sense. I guess the courts have the final say as to what truth is. I answer to a higher court.
The courts are what have final say in the matter, so, as a law abiding citizen, isn't it my civic duty to follow the laws that they make? I'm glad you answer to a "higher court". Please, go sell off all of your possessions or donate them to the less fortunate and go on a mission to Africa to bring Jesus to all of them. Go do God's work! It's what he wants, isn't it? Why haven't you?
I do God's work right where I am. Raising a family and providing for them and giving to those in need. So if the law says it's okay to kill then that would make it right? So honor killings in the mid-east are okay because that is their law. You don't make any sense. You should start obeying the laws you hold so dear and quit taking those illegal substances that you do.
Their religion and law state honour killings are legal; that makes it okay in their society. You were brought up with a different social and religious structure, so you do not believe they are just. The same can be said for them. They do not see the way you live as just, either. Giving women the same rights as a man is unthinkable in their culture, and yet you do it freely because you think it is right, in example. I haven't done an illegal drug since before joining the U.S.A.R.
There is absolute truth. There is natural law, which is written on our hearts. What one believes to be true is irrelevant. Just because something is lawful, does not mean it is moral. Right and wrong is not relative.
Right and wrong is -entirely- relative, just as good and evil are. Hitler believed his cause to be right, he believed it to be good with all of his heart. I'm sure you do not. The ancient Greeks believed their way was the true and just one, one of logic and reason and caring; but I'm sure you believe they were wrong for worshiping the wrong Gods, even though their lives were good. Soldiers believe they are doing the right thing, but I'm sure you disagree with that. I mean, they do "murder".
And so we are back to my original response to you. "This is the type of thinking that results when one does not believe in absolute truth or natural law." We have come full circle. There is absolute truth. It does not matter what one thinks is right or wrong. Their personal guilt may be mitigated. However, right is right and wrong is wrong. Evil is evil. Morality is not relative. And as far as your being "sure" of what I believe, wrong again.
I defend abortionists because they have a need to be defended. Using Hitler in this argument is solely to represent the amount of people that his regime murdered, not to defend him. I do not believe his ideas were right, just that he believed them to be.
To all of these people, their hearts told them what was right and what was wrong. Who are you to tell them otherwise? Who gave you that power?
Are you going to tell the Buddha he is a sinner and that he is going to Hell because he doesn't worship some book? Are you going to tell Ghandi that his lifelong pursuit of peace, understanding, and selflessness is wrong because he doesn't go to a church on Sundays? The only "natural law" is the law of survival. Get a grip of reality sometime.
I haven't done an illegal substance for almost a decade; since before I joined the U.S.A.R. and even after being medically discharged after saving a two civilians, a U.S. Marine, and an enemy soldier from an I.E.D. that shot thirteen nails through my leg -because- I tried to save that enemy soldier. I'm going to be unable to walk on that leg for the rest of my life because of what I did, I'll have to use a cane, and I would do it again; so don't try to question my morals.
The Bible does not state that God's work ends in raising a family and giving a little money to charity. If you were a true Christian, you would be living among the poorest of people and sharing everything you had with them. Your table, your house, your beds. Why don't you do this? Why do you have a computer, cell phone and the internet? These things are luxuries that a true christian would be ashamed of! Jesus would want you to give up all of these superficial things and follow his footsteps.
Please tell me when the last time you lay your own life aside for the betterment of someone that you hated, someone you should have let die?
Please tell me when the last time was that you acted out of disregard for your own life to help people you didn't know? Please tell me the last time you didn't act out of greed or the survival instinct?
Problem is the president voted against the law in Illinois as a state senator. He would and did allow babies born alive after botched abortion attempts to die in utility rooms and then later solved the "problem" by allowing them to be rocked to death. Please Google Obama and live birth abortion.
Vulgarity is a tool that one can use to get his point across more strongly to peoples of lesser intelligence, and it would be foolish not to use it. My life experiences have been good overall, and I never claimed to be Christian, Catholic, or Muslim.
Quite the contrary; Vulgarity is a tool that one resorts to because they are too stupid to argue their point rationally.
I don't think your life experiences have been good. Seems to me you hate life and all those that don't. I feel sorry for you. Do you think life is worth living?
If I didn't enjoy my life or believe it was worthwhile to continue living, would I still be here? There are many people in the world who lack the ability to understand rational thought and logic and reason, but they all do understand vulgarity. Why would you inhibit your ability to communicate by omitting certain words that could be beneficial at one point or other? Should we also omit certain kinds of medicine that are only rarely useful from our pharmacies?
I can get my point across without resorting to vulgar language. I would think using vulgarity is the LACK of being able to communicate effectively. I guess if you need it for shock value to get attention then I guess what you have to say doesn't warrant listening to since you can't capture their attention otherwise.
A younger and/or less intelligent audience won't pay even the slightest bit of attention to dry, witless lecturing; even if it is a very informative, well put together argument or lecture. The same information, said in a way that they can relate; often through the use of slangs and vulgarities, ensures the message reaches a larger group of people than just the intelligent few.
In his book, "Practical Ethics" he discusses a wide range of ethical topics, such as abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia. Singer reasons from a utilitarian perspective that a fetus at a gestational age up to late in the second trimester has no capacity to suffer or feel satisfaction. The higher functions in the fetal brain simply have not developed sufficiently, thus it is not possible for such a fetus to hold any preferences at all.
It seems that the higher functions of your brain have ceased, since you can't come up with your own reasoning and depend on others like Singer to think for you. Do you think it may be time for a post-natal abortion?
If one were to only believe in what they, themselves, were the original one's to think of, religion, science, society, and spirituality would all cease to exist. Are you the first person to believe in God? No? Then you mustn't be able to think for yourself, instead depending on others to think for you. Do you think it's time for your own postnatal abortion?
Please prove that religion is the largest cause of killing innocent life? You must be counting atheistic communism as a religion. 50 million babies have died in our American holocaust
You need me to prove to you that religion has been the largest cause of death? Every Crusade. Every war between Israel and Palestine. Every war in Iraq between the Sunni and the Shiha. The Inquisitions. The Holocaust (Hitler's reasoning was the Jew's killed Jesus.) The 100 Years war. The Salem witch trials. The Children's Crusade. The conflict between Lebanon and Israel. The Christians -exterminated- the Aztecs. The wars between Catholics and Protestants in Europe. I could go on.
Do the research and count the numbers. Israel is not a religious state. Upwards of 80 percent of Israelis are atheist. Too many falsehoods here. I hope others are not misled. I encourage folks to do their own research and not rely on these tired and false arguments.
While each war may have been lead at the upper most tier by people motivated for different reasons, the soldiers and their direct leaders were motivated by religion in all of these cases. If you use your logic, the entire purpose of human life is to survive (as it is with all other organisms), religion plays no part in it. So, why are you religious? What was it in your life that caused you to start (and continue) to believe in an imaginary man in the sky?
So, what you want me to believe (and what you believe yourself) is that not a single one of the Crusades was religiously motivated? That there have been no deaths in the Middle East because of religion? That The Sunnis and the Shiates have not been at war for thousands of years because of religious differences?
That the almost innumerable conflicts for control of Jerusalem have not been religiously motivated? I am religious because science cannot explain everything, yet. The same as you.
You stated that religion is responsible for the taking of more innocent life than anything else. I am simply asking you for a body count to prove your point. You will have to exceed the abortions worldwide plus the atrosities commited by atheistic regimes. Don't think you can do it.
Alexander the Great killed a million, 11th century Crusaders killed off about half a million, Genghis Khan killed over a million, the number of religious exterminations of entire villages throughout history are -innumerable-, the Aztecs slaughtered 100,000 people over -4 days-, millions died during the Devil's Wind action, up to 4 million Hindu's, Sikhs, and Muslims died in post-colonial India, the Ottoman Empire massacred two million Armenians, a million in Rwanda, half a million in Darfur.
That fact that you have completely stopped trying to argue your ideas, instead deciding only to attack me (and not the argument itself) proves that you have lost your ground. The fact that my argument uses fact, logic, and reason and yours uses only partial truths and religion means that there can be no middle ground, and neither of us is going to budge on the subject. Who was it that said "You can't reason with a religious person, otherwise there would be no religious people"?
Are you addressing me? My position is clear. There is absolute truth and natural law. I have not attacked you all. I find no facts, logic or reason in your argument. Too many errors to address. I agree that the 50 million abortions in the US as reported by the abortionists are likely undercounted. I think that you are the only person who is mentioning religion.
Christian vs. Muslim violence as dominated headlines worldwide over the last decade, the history between the two being incredibly bloody and volatile. Hitler massacred 6 million Jews for their religious differences. Somewhere between 10 to 20 million died under Stalin in Russia, a heavily religious regime. Where are your numbers coming from? What source do you have that can definitively announce 30 million abortions? How does 30 million even compare to the amount of deaths caused by religion?
We are back to one of my original statements. If you are stating that religion has taken more innocent life than anything else, you must be counting aethistic communist regimes. You made my point.
I've given you the numbers regarding religiously motivated death, and I have cited when and where. You have not given a source as of yet. First you say 30 million, and now you say 50 million? AGI itself states a maximum possibility of 39 million in the States, and admits that it is largely based on assumption and not legitimate numbers; and they're your most valid source! You have not provided a single piece of evidence to support your claims. Who has verified that there is natural law?
Who has verified absolute truth? Where can we see it? Where has it been seen in nature? How does it tie in to the idea that religion has been the leading cause of death of all? In the Bible, your God killed more than two million humans. How many did Lucifer kill? The only one I've heard is Job's sons, however; God allowed that to happen, so it should really be on his slate instead. Who is right? God for murdering innocents or Satan for having never killed a soul?
That I am only counting when exact numbers are noted under God's murdering streak is a testament to itself. Many religious scholars place a rough estimate at over 33 million! According to your Bible, your Holy Word, God himself has murdered more people than abortion has by your original number. And lets not forget that the population of today is thousands of times greater than the population of biblical times!
I don't believe I ever stated 30 million. Please show me where I stated that. I know better. It is 50 million in the US alone since 1973. The figure does not count abortions prior to 1973. These are Planned Parenthoods own figures.
It also says that only .29% of pregnancies end in abortion worldwide, and that laws against abortion -don't stop the act-, they only vilify and potentially harm the host parent. Complications in unsafe abortions lead to more than 10% of maternal deaths per year! Safely conducted abortions claim -zero- percent. 220,000 children per year lose their mothers to unsafe abortion practices. These are all completely avoidable numbers. Legalize abortion. Protect the mother.
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% after 20 weeks.
Who are you to condemn a child to a life of abuse and contempt at the hands of a teenager other? Of malnutrition, no health care, life on a street?
Do you have children so much that you just don't care what happens to them after they are born? God save them from prenatal removal, but fuck them after they get out!
More than 60% of abortions happen before even 9 weeks before it is even an inch long! If this were a living person, it would breath and do just fine in the world at that stage.Does it?
Please do some reading so that you can speak intelligently on this issue. You may perhaps have a change of heart as I did. America will not outlaw abortion until America sees abortion.
If you base your argument on the stage of life a person is currently in, then what you are saying is that is that a four year old has less right to live than a twenty year old. It just doesn't make sense.
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The argument is not "What stage of life", but rather "When does life begin", and American law, as well as all medically relevant theory states that life begins at the first breath OR after being removed from the host parent.
Lawyers? Medical ethics? What scientific discovery are you specifically referring to that overturned the fact that life begins at conception? Answer: There is none. But lawyers, politicians, the medical community and other special interests have discovered they can make billions of dollars on the abortion industry in America.
Out of my own curiousity, before I bother to answer any question you might have, when did medical science stop counting as a form of scientific discovery?
Augur: Seems like this isn't the first time you didn't "bother"-- to do your homework: There is no scientific discovery to negate the fact that life begins at conception. Since you aren't curious enough to question Planned Parenthood about this central life fact, this indicates a too abortion desensitized, too well compensated or too deep involvement, personally...Perhaps all of the above. Ethically, abortion is the near 100% guaranteed killing of the innocent and most vulnerable unborn.
This is so heartbreaking. I shuddered when I saw his post about standing within two feet of an aborted baby on a table. I don't really believe him because of what we know of the process, but it makes me shudder that someone could be so blind as to even claim such a thing. We just must keep reminding ourselves that the battle has already been won in eternity. God forgive us. There will be consequences or He owes Sodom and Gommorah an apology. Thank you for adding me as a friend.
Please cite your scientific evidence that human life does not begin at conception. Is the embryo not a completely unique human life with its own DNA, completely distinct from mother and father? The medical evidence is more clear now than in 1973. Harry Blackmun relied heavily on the word "born" in the 14th amendment to deny the unborn baby the right to life. Recall the 14th amendment was required to settle the Civil War after the Supreme Court also held that slaves did not have rights.
Being prolife is being antichristian. You should want the -best possible choice- for those women, you should want them treated as best as they could be! There is a reason that the top 10 most livable countries in the world are Atheist at their heart, and that they allow abortion practice to take place: they realize it isn't about "killing babies", but about protecting mothers. You said earlier Israel is upwards of 80% atheist? Their numbers state only about 30%.
You are a fool. There is no other way to put it. Killing an unborn child is simply wrong. There is no justification for it. It is NOT about protecting mothers. Protecting from their own selfish irresponsible choices by murdering an unborn child is just wrong, immoral, and hurts our nation in many ways.
So if you get raped, you must keep the child. since its not about protecting the mother, its about protecting the unborn baby. too bad for the mother eh? one life ruined for another one to hopefully succeed? Yeah, as if that mother would really want to care for that baby.
The issue is not the consequences on the woman involved. I know many women who were raped who became pregnant and gave birth. Many gave the child to a couple who was infertile and could provide a great home. Other keep the child and loved them for who they were, not who fathered them.
However, the incidence of pregnancy through rape is less than 1% assuming all the women were raped. Still, what is the logic behind kill a child for what their father did?
only one thing as far as rape is concerned Joe, from the point of view of another pro-lifer:
it seems like an act devoid of compassion to suggest that someone who has been sexually violated is obligated to give birth to a child conceived in rape
Actually, it is not. The person who has the abortion suffers just as much or more than the child who is killed. The guilt of knowing you murdered an unborn child only adds to the pain of being raped. I have know several women who have been raped and conceived a child. Some kept the child while others gave the child up in adoption. The bottom line is that the unborn child is a life and there is no justification for killing the child.
there is adoption. and fist of all you cannot foresee if your life would be ruined if you kept the baby. that is such a fatalistic and hopeless way to look at things. :(
How many of those aborted fetuses would have died within two days of birth? Within a week? Within two weeks? How many would have killed their host parent? What agency has tracked every abortion to have ever happened?
If you are an atheist and think that you are a good person, you are only doing more than what your religion teaches. Good luck without God. I feel sorry for you.
When you can create even a single blade of grass from nothing let me know and I'll stop believeing in God.
THE HYDE AMMENDMENT STANDS AS LAW OF THE LAND. argue the facts truthfully, and quite frankly, pray, protest, but do not try to deny poor people basic health coverage, DO NOT LET THEM USE THE ABORTION ISSUE TO DENY WHAT SHOULD BE A RIGHT OF CITIZENSHIP. basic healthcare. I cannot understand how so many that worship Jesus Christ can allow the bankers and money changers to insert themselves between the patient and doctor for the sole purpose for profit. live the word of god to help, not deny help!
d00d, right now it's all about the abortion issue. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who don't want their tax dollars to go towards abortion.
& a little beside the point, Canada has national health care, and my brothers girlfriend is from Canada. She told me the emergency room wait is usually around 10 hours.
She's seen people die while waiting in the emergency room.
I have an idea! Why don't doctors stop charging an arm and a leg for people who are trying to keep their arm and leg?
I DID write to my Senators and the reply I got was "I just cannot deny women health care." What do you expect from Dems who tow the party line over the requests of their constituents?
Try again and keep trying. Let them know that abortion is not health care. The AMA had to amend the Hippocratic Oath to allow doctors to kill babies in the womb. Keep letting them know that abortion is not health care. Abortion hurts women. Abortion contributes significantly to drug abuse, depression and alcoholism. Can likely get the statistics from Silent No More. The battle has been won in eternity. We just need to choose sides in time (double entendre intended).
@ktnsteve look man what do you want your senator to do? Snap his finger and single handedly walk through all the processes or getting a Federal Law repealed? Man he doesnt even run shit. Nobody in government is running the show. You saw puppets, you might want to shake yourself up a bit and realize the rug was pulled from under me and you. I want my rights back and I want everyone else to live more normally and this is currently an insane asylum.
genetic enhancements must end like breast augs and transgender wierdness... how could any doctor do that to another human being? If a person must undergo some kind of surgery that will make them look funny... I guess why not try to repair it... Guns/military : Hopefully a force never to be used but all soldiers will be given a non-brainwash test of some kind to prove they are combat functional, No more U.S. soldiers putting womens underwear on Iraqi's heads. Marines cut off heads not play games
Unrealll6666 7 months ago
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taxation is theft (period.) mother nature is very important only you can prevent forest fires! I think the age of the automobile is over... death machines, suicide ride. Electricity? We are consuming way to much for reality and common sense. Currency barter/trade system 2 pigs = 1 cow, 10 chickens = 1 pig, 10 fish = 1 chicken 10 potatoes = 1 fish etc. etc. etc. whatis-theplan (dot) org
Unrealll6666 7 months ago
education needs less talk about dino's and the planets and more about life skills morals and ethics training the difference between right and wrong. Schools also need to start to train people how to fish hunt and gather food and self defense should be mandatory! Judicial reform... Dude no more of this crap if a guy kills a child or something... throw him into the lions den! State reform, legalize weed, tobacco, alchohol, but if you want it you have to "grow" your own.
Unrealll6666 7 months ago
HAHAH I'm back! 2nd! hit score one for me! 2 fast and too educated... you want the answers look no further than God and the 10 commandments. #1 no other gods before God you vote for a pres, a prime minister, a king, it's placing a man before got. #2 no idols, flags are idols statues are idols pointless useless a waste of energy to construct. Circumcision ban it unless child has deformity, abortion ban it unless the women was raped. gay marriage (not hanging them is enough). education reform.
Unrealll6666 7 months ago
Prepare for the end of the world if this health care bill passes...
Unrealll6666 1 year ago
no government funding or grants to those who are involved in prolifer organizations either. fair is fair.
go to: the only moral abortion is my abortion"
it is a website where antichoicers who picketed abortion clinics BEFORE AND AFTER THEY HAD ABORTIONS. YES PROLIFERS HAVE ABORTIONS!!!!!!
canadianskye1964 1 year ago
The right wing extremists running this site won't allow me to post my comments.
kenclark1942 1 year ago
@itsadeadmansparty
The cure for Aids, Cancer, Political Unrest, Politicians, Artists, and so many more lie dead at the bottom of a bucket in some clinic. It's an American Holocaust. An embarrassment for any civilized contemporary society!
mamahenrobin 1 year ago
@itsadeadmansparty, No we're inhuman to allow the torture of innocent children, for the sake of profit and convenience. We are ignorant to continue to have unprotected sex, we are blind to not see the abortion industry, is using American women for their personal gain. God forgive us.
mamahenrobin 1 year ago
@cavsigbfhelp the persons who commit these types of crimes need a firing range
and the victims who can have the baby if they are not 10 years old. They could have the baby and chance might be for dna replication errors, or the baby could be as smart as anybody else. 50/50 You might run into dead gene pools and they will not copy the baby correctly.
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
It is very important to give women access to safe hospitalization! I dont need women trying to give themselves abortions and anyway its not up for discussion. The rules are black and white as far as your government is concerned. For me personally, every person on earth was given unto the Earth to take for themselves, and Everybody has there own right of the body. IRS is actually very Illegal The 16 Amendment does not invoke any new powers. The Law Says "All Taxes Must Be Equally Apportioned."
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
If you care so much why don't you go adopt as many kids as your income can provide. If you don't want to do this ask yourself why you don't. Is it your age, finance, job, education, unstable home, or do you just not care. I think everybody who's against abortion should be forced to adopt a child to really put there values to the test. Nobody should tell someone what they can do with they're own body.
caviwavi 2 years ago
@caviwavi you are so so right !! anyway taxes are illegal.
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
737flyhigh What about the 20.000 who die everyday of malnutrition. Do you really think this is going to decrease by increasing the population ?
lizazoon 2 years ago
@lizazoon Everyone ON Earth Could have a Half Acre of Land and Everybody fit in Australia (for example). Malnutrition can be solved very easily, over population is not possible at this stage. If you accept that Humans made the Pyramids at Giza, then it would require more people then in China today.
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
itsadeadmansparty -- Malnutrition can be solved very easily,-- Has it ever been solved ? It get`s worse. Science has it`s limits to improve production, water conservation etc. Population growth cannot go on forever. You don`t need to be a rocket scientist to see that. All we need is a coupl of years drought and then you will see what overpopulation means.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon if by science "limits" you think that we have even touched the 0.1% mark your nutz. Currently if we wanted we could use computer more and solve issues.
Btw drought is no longer possible, technology my friend. You see In air is water, and the sun provides energy, with those two things you will always have water. I wonder if you know the science behind this? The Amount of wasted food in America could feed every African. We have never been optimized as a race, we now have the tools.
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
If a woman who is pregnant, is involved in a car accident, the baby dies, the driver who was at fault can be prosecuted for vehicular manslaughter.
A fetus is considered a life at that time. So taking another life, is dependent upon the convenience of the pregnancy? Lives and circumstances can change in an instant. Choices made today, can be regrets of a lifetime. Help is there, to keep a life, . even if only to carry to term. It does take sacrifice, it is a difficult choice for many. Pray!
mamahenrobin 2 years ago
@mamahenrobin yes why not let a person decide for themselves what they want with there body. Are we inhuman to force some body to care for life when they themself cant handle life. I Highly support adoption, its probably the greatest thing available today. Trust me your genes have spread enough for today.
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
@itsadeadmansparty "Are we inhuman to force some body to care for life when they themself cant handle life." Um, yes, that's what welfare and government support is all about. I'm for abortion being subsidized, only because it will cut down on the waste that sucks tax dollars from productive human beings. Forcing someone to give part of their paycheck to support deadbeats is just as bad as forcing something to NOT have an abortion. It violates your individual rights, either way.
EternallyRecurring 1 year ago
@EternallyRecurring I think I agree with you, except wellfare is great since all we do is print money, It doesnt really have any backing anyway, I say help American if we can, I would simply toss every politician we had out, and rewrite the entire constitution since its rather archaic I mean it was written for 1800's day not present situation. I say give women rights to abort if they choose, if they want to have the baby then upfor adoption, Hell even I want to adopt, The world is getting better
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
@itsadeadmansparty The constitution wasn't written for any specific time, it was written for people to have freedom from their government. It was and still is the basis for human rights and natural rights. I support the constitution because it limits government control over the individual. After all, the government is simply a collective of people, having control over other individuals.
EternallyRecurring 1 year ago
@EternallyRecurring Everything in the constitution is based on idea from their time not a time where we can land rovers on the surface of Mars, Remember Jules Verne thought it was impossible to actually to goto the moon, but he wrote his fantasies down. The constitution isnt prepared to encounter the many changes we have had in the year 2000's not 1887 We are talking a time when people thought fire was still pretty awesome,They didnt have the ability to see what rules the year 2000 should have
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
@itsadeadmansparty The idea of individual freedom and limited government shouldn't change over time. The constitution doesn't need address specific issues as they arise. It is simply a template for government. The feds are only allowed so much power, everything else is left up to the state and each state has it's own constitution. What part of the constitution do you think needs such drastic change? We do have amendments which allow the constitution to be changed.
EternallyRecurring 1 year ago
@EternallyRecurring Yes I agree completely,The basic freedoms will never change, or the ideas the bill of rights had in mind.We may be living in the most free country ever, not 100% sure yet, but things are getting better, since this video is about abortion and government spending,I am much more horrified that we spend 100's of thousands of dollars per minute to kill people in countries which have never provoked us or attacked this country, we kill them and we are killing each other, endlessly
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
yes you have a choice, MURDER is a choice!
Scotty1137 2 years ago
Hypocrisy! What is the different between drone bombing and abortion in term of murdering innocents? Why don't we see huge protesting groups rushing to Pentagon? How about the troop increase to Afghan? Why don't we see these pro-life groups rally furiously? Health care reform need funding to council teenagers, women, victim of rape for un-wanted pregnancy, it's up to them to decide if they want to keep or abort. We should improve our knowledge for council, not religion.
beancube2008 2 years ago
I am a military member. My insurance allows abortions in the case of rape, incest or danger to the mother's life. What do you think about that?
incunablum 2 years ago
@incunablum
What exactly is your point? That the military, officially, supports abortion? As a Catholic and a logical human being, I think it is wrong and inconsistent with the keeping of a healthy society. Moreover, abortion is incongruous to the mission of our military, which is to protect our society. The fact that the military insurance covers abortion shows a lack of harmony between the pro-aborts and the traditional mission of our armed forces. We are doomed to fall, like Rome.
jbhafford 2 years ago
@incunablum lol insurance wont cover a bullet moving three times the speed of sound slamming its way directly through your brain leaving one enormous hole. Only a foolish man would join the military, those who live by the sword die by the sword. You can't even touch this thing your fighting for "America" hah, Ask the general tomorrow whats the real deal plan? why am i dieing for you? freedom doesnt exist as long as military exists.I mean I support old western law,ie bullets and force not cops
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago
So what if unsubsidized public option plan covers abortion. That's no different than private plans now.
Yes the Hyde Amendment applies only to the ...HHS. So what was the reason for the bill mentioning it for purposes of the public option? If you read it correctly it means that the abortion rules applicable to the Hyde Amendment will apply to the public option also. In other words the bill would have been abortion neutral - just going with the existing law - Hyde Amendment.
megarational 2 years ago
Under the House bill:
(3) COVERAGE UNDER PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION.—The public health insurance option shall provide coverage for services described in paragraph (4)(B)."
And paragraphi (4)(B) reads:
"ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUNDING IS ALLOWED.—The services described in this subparagraph are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is permitted, based on the law".
Governing law is Hyde Park amendment.
megarational 2 years ago
One solution I heard. Replace the terms "fetus" or "unborn children" with the term "tweeziods."
How many people would show up for a rally to "save the tweezoinds"?
megarational 2 years ago
What about the thousands of children who have died because of no HC insurance, and the finding that those without HC insurance were far more likely to succumb to serious illnesses.
Joh Hopkins study. Can google it.
megarational 2 years ago
That is completely false and any study that proclaims that is a skewed study with an agenda. You do NOT have to have health care to receive care in a hospital. I personally know 3 people in the last 3 years that had loads of health care from a hospital and neither one of them had insurance. One of which, was in IC care for 1 month, hospital for 1 month and then nursing care for 3 months.
OriginalMamaBear 2 years ago
Like I said, google the Jon Hopkins study. You're accusing the Jon Hopkins children center of deliberately producing an incorrect study. Did YOU verify your theory with a study covering millions of medical files across 38 states?
People w/o insurance use the hospital emergency ward - the most expensive method of HC delivery, where they get stabilization, not health care.
The study showed that those w/o HC insur. were statistically far more likely to succumb to serious illnesses.
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megarational 2 years ago
one thing is for sure if a pregnant woman does not interfere - 9 months later a human being will
be born .
any action taken to kill the unborn no mater if it is
1 day old 2 months old or 8 , 9 months old is murder
and a pro - choice is another euphemism ( nicer sounding word) for a killing of a baby
ggmm2000 2 years ago 4
Dr. Kavorkian For White House Physician !
EyeZOfEagle 2 years ago
"Patterson is charged with three counts of first-degree murder, one for each of the Ormans and one for the unborn child. He also faces three counts of armed criminal action and one count of first-degree burglary."
This is copied from an article written on Thursday Oct. 29 2009, by Rudi Keller for the Southeast Missourian.
Conduct a Google search and you'll find the article for yourself.
lohan69 2 years ago
Lord, Save America!!!
peg321 2 years ago 3
Augur, that is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. I learned in eighth grade science class that new life begins at conception. Host parent? It's that kind of language that dehumanizes unborn babies. Do you know what abortion does to a baby's body? Click on America will not reject abortion until America sees abortion at the Priests for Life website, look at those mangled, bloody, & burned bodies, and tell me it should remain legal to kill babies. NOT WITH MY TAX DOLLARS!!
ddktd5 2 years ago 5
I've seen them no more than two feet in front of me on a table. I've studied them intimately, and I can tell you that abortions should remain legal.
Augur 2 years ago
Get real. Those with money have no problem getting an abortion now. If you are so concerned about the HC reform bill, push for amendment or whatever to ensure it doesn't cover abortions. But don't let your single issue concern make you fight against much needed HC reform in total.
megarational 2 years ago
@ddktd5 So you'd rather your tax dollars go towards funding that unwanted baby all the way until they're 18 years old and then maybe they'll become something, but if you, you'll be paying for their welfare check with your taxes. That's the alternative you prefer?
EternallyRecurring 1 year ago
@ddktd5 Protecting Life? How far does that go? From conception until when? Until birth? Until they're 18? Cradle to the grave? If it's so important to protect the life of an unborn child, isn't it just as important for the government to provide them food, shelter, health insurace and so on? Why stop when they're an adult? Why is an unborn life more important to protect than an adult.
EternallyRecurring 1 year ago 2
The statistics are really secondary. People know it's wrong. Their conscience tells them so, but in the pursuit of self they deny it. They exchange the thruth of God for a lie.
jezett 2 years ago 3
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Peggytas 2 years ago
I happen to be pro-choice, but it is certainly not right to force the 40 something percent of the population who is morally opposed to abortion to pay for it.
jeffmagic32 2 years ago
I looked it up and the definition of "kill" was "To deprive life in any manner".
So, what is life?
"The condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms"
I'm pretty sure brainwaves and a heart beat distinguish the unborn from dead things...
Just sayin'.
USSA37 2 years ago
Are you a hunter?
Do you think hunting should be abolished?
Do you care anything about the thousands of children whose lack of h.c. insurance coverage contributed to their deaths?
megarational 2 years ago
Once you and your kind succeed in stripping society of the Christian principles and impulse control that are the hallmark of western civilization, then perhaps I too will set aside my Christian principles and slit your throat, just like you do to the millions of prenatal children.
kripakov 2 years ago
Spoken like a true religious zealot. Let's see, who are some other religious zealots that justify "slitting throats". al-Quaeda comes to mind.
The inquisition also comes to mind.
megarational 2 years ago
What are you talking about? Nobody in this video mentioned religion.
gameraalwayswins 2 years ago
Who's talking about the video. I'm talking about YOUR asinine comment.
megarational 2 years ago
What comment?
gameraalwayswins 2 years ago
Kripakov's.
megarational 2 years ago
Hitler was a socialist eugenicist/social Darwinist/scientific rascist snob—just like you and Planned Parenthood—Christianity had nothing to do with the Holocaust. The problems in the Middle East are about territory, not religious doctrine. Finally, historians estimate that, since the Age of Reasons Reign of Terror, 350,000,000 innocent people have been murder at the hands of atheistic morons, socialist dimwits like you.
kripakov 2 years ago 3
Dear Miss Augur, I cannot speak for Islam, but I can for Christianity: The Crusades were to help the Byzantine Empire from being taken over by Islam conquerors—if your neighbor and friend were being attacked, would you not come to their aid? Secular historians estimate that 6000 people died in the Inquisitions over a 15 year span, and those who tortured and murdered did so in direct opposition to the authority of the Church—hardly the massive atrocity bozos like you imagine
kripakov 2 years ago 3
If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people to not kill each other? Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want.
--Mother Teresa
hiram569 2 years ago
Only a brain dead idiot would support the murder of the innocent unborn child in the womb. Even the animals protect their young. There is no such thing as pro choice. How can you have a choice to MURDER your own child? The Fifth Commandment of God states: Thou shall not kill. When we die we face God's judgement.
jacksjohnny 2 years ago
This is a response to Augur. Your use of vulgar language is demonstration of your level of knowledge on abortion and the issue of life. You should thank God you were not aborted by your Mother.
deak1600 2 years ago
I am so thankful for your work to fight this horrible blight on
our country. Unfortunately people think that because the President endorses something then it is as if God endorses it.
This is a horrible deception. Abortion kills children and wounds families.
pemars7 2 years ago
If pregnancy threatens someone's life, or could give them permanent mental and emotional damage (as in the case of rape victims), abortion may be just as much a necessary part of maintaining health and life as any other medical treatment. Generally, I am pro-life, but to paint this as such a black-white issue is ridiculous, when there are some situations where abortion may be justified or necessary, and should therefore naturally be covered by insurance, even if you personally would never do it.
FemmeSansFrontieres 2 years ago
Femme- Abortion is NEVER justified or necessary. If the life of the mother is at stake NOT the health (which could mean anything including stretch marks and weight gain). Then that is a tough decision that a family needs to make. The life of the mother accounts for about one tenth of one percent of all pregnancies. There are plenty of people waiting in line to adopt an unwanted child. Why should insurance cover a elective procedure, should they pay for breast implants too?
1976LETA 2 years ago
Abortion is not a bad thing, you idiots.
Keep your moronic religious beliefs out of what -should be- your logical brain.
The rest of the civilized world is prochoice FOR A REASON. The rest of the civilized world as free basic healthcare FOR A REASON. Wake the fuck up, America.
Augur 2 years ago
Moronic religious beliefs? What does religion have to do with killing innocent life? Is that okay with you? Should a parent be allowed to kill their child no matter what age they are as long as they are dependant on them? Let me ask you, non-religious one. Where do you get your moral compass from? Why should we have heathcare at all if life isn't worth protecting? Your statement seems to suggest that some lives are worth saving since you're for healthcare. Who's life? Yours?
1976LETA 2 years ago
I'm going to answer your questions in the order you asked them.
Historically speaking, religion has been the largest cause of killing "innocent" life, and no, that is not okay. A parent should not be allowed to kill their child after birth. First breath is the moment when a child is medically considered to be alive. You did not ask as a question, but I am very religious. I, however, keep my religious beliefs away from my logical brain. My morals come from my life's experiences, as do your's.
Augur 2 years ago
Life is worth protecting up to a certain point. Children, young adults, and adults up to a certain age. Fetuses are not, and logically speaking, neither are those of extreme age. If health care depended upon logic instead of greed as it does now, I would no longer receive health care, as I am no longer a use to society (being a disabled veteran). I can no longer give to society what I take out of it, and that means my life is not with "saving" through universal health care.
Augur 2 years ago
However, since health care is based on greed and I'm going to get my disability check from the U.S.A.R. even if I tell them I don't want it anymore, I take advantage of it.
Augur 2 years ago
With all of this having been said, logic dictates that only people who can give back to society should receive free health care. Fetuses are parasitic, but if they are healthy (and their host is healthy), their abortion should be not be legal. However, a host who is unhealthy, who has a high chance of destroying that child's life (through drugs, violence, STD's, etc) should be given a mandatory abortion.
Augur 2 years ago
Fetuses with high chances of being stillborn, killing their hosts, or being unable to return to society what they take (due to STD's, retardation, severe health problems, etcetera) should also be given mandatory abortions.
Augur 2 years ago
Please prove that a baby in the womb is a parasite. Cite your source.
Peggytas 2 years ago
Parasite: Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. Babies: Grows, feeds, and is sheltered inside a womb, while contributing nothing to the survival of it's host (while often damaging the host emotionally and physically in the process, sometimes even killing the host.) It is a clear and very evident description.
Augur 2 years ago
We may not know the benefit that a baby provides to its mother physically at this point. Our knowledge of creation is quite limited. There is a connection between breast cancer and the age of a woman at first pregnancy, which suggests that there is some benefit or protection offered to women when they fulfill the natural plan of our bodies. There appears to be a connection between breast cancer and abortion. So, I think it is premature to say that the baby provides no benefit to the mother.
Peggytas 2 years ago
You said that you depend on a government check and don't contribute to society. Are you a parasite? Why don't you send the checks back or not cash them?
1976LETA 2 years ago
There is nothing logical about allowing the government to decide whose life is worth preserving.
Peggytas 2 years ago
Society should decide, however; American society is so polluted with Christians that it shouldn't be allowed to decide which foot to put a sock onto first.
Augur 2 years ago
This is the thinking that results when one no longer believes in absolute truth or natural law. There is nothing logical about killing the old or infirm or babies in the womb.
Peggytas 2 years ago
The social logic is quite sound. There is no reason to keep supporting them after or before they have served their purpose, and with the ability -now- to know if a child will be deformed, retarded, or incompetant in some way before it escapes the womb, we have the ability to end genetic disease; not that it could happen because of all the Pro Life idiots.
Augur 2 years ago
That is not logic, it is utilitarianism.
Peggytas 2 years ago
You didn't answer the question. Let me rephrase it; Take religion out of the equation. What makes it right to take an innocent life period, religion has nothing to do with it? Who said the first breath is the beginning of life, what about a beating heart, doesn't that count? Your use of vulgarity, doesn't reflect any religion I know. I don't think you are a belevier in the God of the Bible. I don't know what "religion" you subscibe to.
I'm sorry you had bad life experiences.
1976LETA 2 years ago
The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act states that any baby that has been born alive is to be legally considered a person. As such, she or he would automatically be granted full protection under the U.S. Constitution. Not at the first heart beat. Not at the first movement. Not at conception. The first breath is when the baby is declared dead or alive. Illinois Supreme Court declared a child must be separate and independently living to be declared alive (Illinois vs. Elhert 2003).
Augur 2 years ago
Well, I'm glad that your convictions are based on what some court has to say about it and not common sense. I guess the courts have the final say as to what truth is. I answer to a higher court.
1976LETA 2 years ago
The courts are what have final say in the matter, so, as a law abiding citizen, isn't it my civic duty to follow the laws that they make? I'm glad you answer to a "higher court". Please, go sell off all of your possessions or donate them to the less fortunate and go on a mission to Africa to bring Jesus to all of them. Go do God's work! It's what he wants, isn't it? Why haven't you?
Augur 2 years ago
I do God's work right where I am. Raising a family and providing for them and giving to those in need. So if the law says it's okay to kill then that would make it right? So honor killings in the mid-east are okay because that is their law. You don't make any sense. You should start obeying the laws you hold so dear and quit taking those illegal substances that you do.
1976LETA 2 years ago
Their religion and law state honour killings are legal; that makes it okay in their society. You were brought up with a different social and religious structure, so you do not believe they are just. The same can be said for them. They do not see the way you live as just, either. Giving women the same rights as a man is unthinkable in their culture, and yet you do it freely because you think it is right, in example. I haven't done an illegal drug since before joining the U.S.A.R.
Augur 2 years ago
There is absolute truth. There is natural law, which is written on our hearts. What one believes to be true is irrelevant. Just because something is lawful, does not mean it is moral. Right and wrong is not relative.
Peggytas 2 years ago
Right and wrong is -entirely- relative, just as good and evil are. Hitler believed his cause to be right, he believed it to be good with all of his heart. I'm sure you do not. The ancient Greeks believed their way was the true and just one, one of logic and reason and caring; but I'm sure you believe they were wrong for worshiping the wrong Gods, even though their lives were good. Soldiers believe they are doing the right thing, but I'm sure you disagree with that. I mean, they do "murder".
Augur 2 years ago
And so we are back to my original response to you. "This is the type of thinking that results when one does not believe in absolute truth or natural law." We have come full circle. There is absolute truth. It does not matter what one thinks is right or wrong. Their personal guilt may be mitigated. However, right is right and wrong is wrong. Evil is evil. Morality is not relative. And as far as your being "sure" of what I believe, wrong again.
Peggytas 2 years ago
At least you are consistent. You defend Hitler and the abortionists. The smoke rises from both holocausts.
Peggytas 2 years ago
I defend abortionists because they have a need to be defended. Using Hitler in this argument is solely to represent the amount of people that his regime murdered, not to defend him. I do not believe his ideas were right, just that he believed them to be.
Augur 2 years ago
To all of these people, their hearts told them what was right and what was wrong. Who are you to tell them otherwise? Who gave you that power?
Are you going to tell the Buddha he is a sinner and that he is going to Hell because he doesn't worship some book? Are you going to tell Ghandi that his lifelong pursuit of peace, understanding, and selflessness is wrong because he doesn't go to a church on Sundays? The only "natural law" is the law of survival. Get a grip of reality sometime.
Augur 2 years ago
wrong again.
Peggytas 2 years ago
I haven't done an illegal substance for almost a decade; since before I joined the U.S.A.R. and even after being medically discharged after saving a two civilians, a U.S. Marine, and an enemy soldier from an I.E.D. that shot thirteen nails through my leg -because- I tried to save that enemy soldier. I'm going to be unable to walk on that leg for the rest of my life because of what I did, I'll have to use a cane, and I would do it again; so don't try to question my morals.
Augur 2 years ago
The Bible does not state that God's work ends in raising a family and giving a little money to charity. If you were a true Christian, you would be living among the poorest of people and sharing everything you had with them. Your table, your house, your beds. Why don't you do this? Why do you have a computer, cell phone and the internet? These things are luxuries that a true christian would be ashamed of! Jesus would want you to give up all of these superficial things and follow his footsteps.
Augur 2 years ago
Please tell me when the last time you lay your own life aside for the betterment of someone that you hated, someone you should have let die?
Please tell me when the last time was that you acted out of disregard for your own life to help people you didn't know? Please tell me the last time you didn't act out of greed or the survival instinct?
Augur 2 years ago
Problem is the president voted against the law in Illinois as a state senator. He would and did allow babies born alive after botched abortion attempts to die in utility rooms and then later solved the "problem" by allowing them to be rocked to death. Please Google Obama and live birth abortion.
Peggytas 2 years ago
Vulgarity is a tool that one can use to get his point across more strongly to peoples of lesser intelligence, and it would be foolish not to use it. My life experiences have been good overall, and I never claimed to be Christian, Catholic, or Muslim.
Augur 2 years ago
Quite the contrary; Vulgarity is a tool that one resorts to because they are too stupid to argue their point rationally.
I don't think your life experiences have been good. Seems to me you hate life and all those that don't. I feel sorry for you. Do you think life is worth living?
1976LETA 2 years ago
If I didn't enjoy my life or believe it was worthwhile to continue living, would I still be here? There are many people in the world who lack the ability to understand rational thought and logic and reason, but they all do understand vulgarity. Why would you inhibit your ability to communicate by omitting certain words that could be beneficial at one point or other? Should we also omit certain kinds of medicine that are only rarely useful from our pharmacies?
Augur 2 years ago
I can get my point across without resorting to vulgar language. I would think using vulgarity is the LACK of being able to communicate effectively. I guess if you need it for shock value to get attention then I guess what you have to say doesn't warrant listening to since you can't capture their attention otherwise.
1976LETA 2 years ago
A younger and/or less intelligent audience won't pay even the slightest bit of attention to dry, witless lecturing; even if it is a very informative, well put together argument or lecture. The same information, said in a way that they can relate; often through the use of slangs and vulgarities, ensures the message reaches a larger group of people than just the intelligent few.
Augur 2 years ago
In his book, "Practical Ethics" he discusses a wide range of ethical topics, such as abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia. Singer reasons from a utilitarian perspective that a fetus at a gestational age up to late in the second trimester has no capacity to suffer or feel satisfaction. The higher functions in the fetal brain simply have not developed sufficiently, thus it is not possible for such a fetus to hold any preferences at all.
Augur 2 years ago
It seems that the higher functions of your brain have ceased, since you can't come up with your own reasoning and depend on others like Singer to think for you. Do you think it may be time for a post-natal abortion?
1976LETA 2 years ago
If one were to only believe in what they, themselves, were the original one's to think of, religion, science, society, and spirituality would all cease to exist. Are you the first person to believe in God? No? Then you mustn't be able to think for yourself, instead depending on others to think for you. Do you think it's time for your own postnatal abortion?
Augur 2 years ago
Please prove that religion is the largest cause of killing innocent life? You must be counting atheistic communism as a religion. 50 million babies have died in our American holocaust
Peggytas 2 years ago
You need me to prove to you that religion has been the largest cause of death? Every Crusade. Every war between Israel and Palestine. Every war in Iraq between the Sunni and the Shiha. The Inquisitions. The Holocaust (Hitler's reasoning was the Jew's killed Jesus.) The 100 Years war. The Salem witch trials. The Children's Crusade. The conflict between Lebanon and Israel. The Christians -exterminated- the Aztecs. The wars between Catholics and Protestants in Europe. I could go on.
Augur 2 years ago
What does that have to do with what Jesus did on the cross?
1976LETA 2 years ago
Do the research and count the numbers. Israel is not a religious state. Upwards of 80 percent of Israelis are atheist. Too many falsehoods here. I hope others are not misled. I encourage folks to do their own research and not rely on these tired and false arguments.
Peggytas 2 years ago
While each war may have been lead at the upper most tier by people motivated for different reasons, the soldiers and their direct leaders were motivated by religion in all of these cases. If you use your logic, the entire purpose of human life is to survive (as it is with all other organisms), religion plays no part in it. So, why are you religious? What was it in your life that caused you to start (and continue) to believe in an imaginary man in the sky?
Augur 2 years ago
Wrong again. Do your own research folks. This guy doesn't realize what he doesn't know. And why are you religious?
Peggytas 2 years ago
So, what you want me to believe (and what you believe yourself) is that not a single one of the Crusades was religiously motivated? That there have been no deaths in the Middle East because of religion? That The Sunnis and the Shiates have not been at war for thousands of years because of religious differences?
That the almost innumerable conflicts for control of Jerusalem have not been religiously motivated? I am religious because science cannot explain everything, yet. The same as you.
Augur 2 years ago
You stated that religion is responsible for the taking of more innocent life than anything else. I am simply asking you for a body count to prove your point. You will have to exceed the abortions worldwide plus the atrosities commited by atheistic regimes. Don't think you can do it.
Peggytas 2 years ago
Alexander the Great killed a million, 11th century Crusaders killed off about half a million, Genghis Khan killed over a million, the number of religious exterminations of entire villages throughout history are -innumerable-, the Aztecs slaughtered 100,000 people over -4 days-, millions died during the Devil's Wind action, up to 4 million Hindu's, Sikhs, and Muslims died in post-colonial India, the Ottoman Empire massacred two million Armenians, a million in Rwanda, half a million in Darfur.
Augur 2 years ago
You are not making your point.
Peggytas 2 years ago
That fact that you have completely stopped trying to argue your ideas, instead deciding only to attack me (and not the argument itself) proves that you have lost your ground. The fact that my argument uses fact, logic, and reason and yours uses only partial truths and religion means that there can be no middle ground, and neither of us is going to budge on the subject. Who was it that said "You can't reason with a religious person, otherwise there would be no religious people"?
Augur 2 years ago
Are you addressing me? My position is clear. There is absolute truth and natural law. I have not attacked you all. I find no facts, logic or reason in your argument. Too many errors to address. I agree that the 50 million abortions in the US as reported by the abortionists are likely undercounted. I think that you are the only person who is mentioning religion.
Peggytas 2 years ago
Christian vs. Muslim violence as dominated headlines worldwide over the last decade, the history between the two being incredibly bloody and volatile. Hitler massacred 6 million Jews for their religious differences. Somewhere between 10 to 20 million died under Stalin in Russia, a heavily religious regime. Where are your numbers coming from? What source do you have that can definitively announce 30 million abortions? How does 30 million even compare to the amount of deaths caused by religion?
Augur 2 years ago
We are back to one of my original statements. If you are stating that religion has taken more innocent life than anything else, you must be counting aethistic communist regimes. You made my point.
Peggytas 2 years ago
I've given you the numbers regarding religiously motivated death, and I have cited when and where. You have not given a source as of yet. First you say 30 million, and now you say 50 million? AGI itself states a maximum possibility of 39 million in the States, and admits that it is largely based on assumption and not legitimate numbers; and they're your most valid source! You have not provided a single piece of evidence to support your claims. Who has verified that there is natural law?
Augur 2 years ago
Worldwide abortions
42 Million per year
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000
Source: Guttmacher Institute. I agree it is likely understated.
You have made up numbers that don't even approach these numbers. Furthermore, you include totally nonreligious events. Silly really.
Peggytas 2 years ago 2
Have a pleasant evening. I need to get some rest.
Peggytas 2 years ago
Who has verified absolute truth? Where can we see it? Where has it been seen in nature? How does it tie in to the idea that religion has been the leading cause of death of all? In the Bible, your God killed more than two million humans. How many did Lucifer kill? The only one I've heard is Job's sons, however; God allowed that to happen, so it should really be on his slate instead. Who is right? God for murdering innocents or Satan for having never killed a soul?
Augur 2 years ago
That I am only counting when exact numbers are noted under God's murdering streak is a testament to itself. Many religious scholars place a rough estimate at over 33 million! According to your Bible, your Holy Word, God himself has murdered more people than abortion has by your original number. And lets not forget that the population of today is thousands of times greater than the population of biblical times!
Augur 2 years ago
I don't believe I ever stated 30 million. Please show me where I stated that. I know better. It is 50 million in the US alone since 1973. The figure does not count abortions prior to 1973. These are Planned Parenthoods own figures.
Peggytas 2 years ago
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Augur 2 years ago
It also says that only .29% of pregnancies end in abortion worldwide, and that laws against abortion -don't stop the act-, they only vilify and potentially harm the host parent. Complications in unsafe abortions lead to more than 10% of maternal deaths per year! Safely conducted abortions claim -zero- percent. 220,000 children per year lose their mothers to unsafe abortion practices. These are all completely avoidable numbers. Legalize abortion. Protect the mother.
Augur 2 years ago
Abortion is legal. You can rely on Guttmacher for abortion numbers, but not for statistics that support their business interest.
Peggytas 2 years ago
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% after 20 weeks.
Peggytas 2 years ago 2
Who are you to condemn a child to a life of abuse and contempt at the hands of a teenager other? Of malnutrition, no health care, life on a street?
Do you have children so much that you just don't care what happens to them after they are born? God save them from prenatal removal, but fuck them after they get out!
More than 60% of abortions happen before even 9 weeks before it is even an inch long! If this were a living person, it would breath and do just fine in the world at that stage.Does it?
Augur 2 years ago
I refuse to engage in a conversation which includes obscenity.
Peggytas 2 years ago
Please do some reading so that you can speak intelligently on this issue. You may perhaps have a change of heart as I did. America will not outlaw abortion until America sees abortion.
Peggytas 2 years ago 3
If you base your argument on the stage of life a person is currently in, then what you are saying is that is that a four year old has less right to live than a twenty year old. It just doesn't make sense.
jezett 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The argument is not "What stage of life", but rather "When does life begin", and American law, as well as all medically relevant theory states that life begins at the first breath OR after being removed from the host parent.
Augur 2 years ago
Lawyers? Medical ethics? What scientific discovery are you specifically referring to that overturned the fact that life begins at conception? Answer: There is none. But lawyers, politicians, the medical community and other special interests have discovered they can make billions of dollars on the abortion industry in America.
michiganois 2 years ago
Out of my own curiousity, before I bother to answer any question you might have, when did medical science stop counting as a form of scientific discovery?
Augur 2 years ago
Augur: Seems like this isn't the first time you didn't "bother"-- to do your homework: There is no scientific discovery to negate the fact that life begins at conception. Since you aren't curious enough to question Planned Parenthood about this central life fact, this indicates a too abortion desensitized, too well compensated or too deep involvement, personally...Perhaps all of the above. Ethically, abortion is the near 100% guaranteed killing of the innocent and most vulnerable unborn.
michiganois 2 years ago
This is so heartbreaking. I shuddered when I saw his post about standing within two feet of an aborted baby on a table. I don't really believe him because of what we know of the process, but it makes me shudder that someone could be so blind as to even claim such a thing. We just must keep reminding ourselves that the battle has already been won in eternity. God forgive us. There will be consequences or He owes Sodom and Gommorah an apology. Thank you for adding me as a friend.
Peggytas 2 years ago 3
Please cite your scientific evidence that human life does not begin at conception. Is the embryo not a completely unique human life with its own DNA, completely distinct from mother and father? The medical evidence is more clear now than in 1973. Harry Blackmun relied heavily on the word "born" in the 14th amendment to deny the unborn baby the right to life. Recall the 14th amendment was required to settle the Civil War after the Supreme Court also held that slaves did not have rights.
Peggytas 2 years ago 3
If this is true, then why is it that authorities file two murder charges in cases were a pregnant woman is killed?
lohan69 2 years ago
Being prolife is being antichristian. You should want the -best possible choice- for those women, you should want them treated as best as they could be! There is a reason that the top 10 most livable countries in the world are Atheist at their heart, and that they allow abortion practice to take place: they realize it isn't about "killing babies", but about protecting mothers. You said earlier Israel is upwards of 80% atheist? Their numbers state only about 30%.
Augur 2 years ago
You are a fool. There is no other way to put it. Killing an unborn child is simply wrong. There is no justification for it. It is NOT about protecting mothers. Protecting from their own selfish irresponsible choices by murdering an unborn child is just wrong, immoral, and hurts our nation in many ways.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago 2
So if you get raped, you must keep the child. since its not about protecting the mother, its about protecting the unborn baby. too bad for the mother eh? one life ruined for another one to hopefully succeed? Yeah, as if that mother would really want to care for that baby.
GREAT LOGIC
fazedx 2 years ago
The issue is not the consequences on the woman involved. I know many women who were raped who became pregnant and gave birth. Many gave the child to a couple who was infertile and could provide a great home. Other keep the child and loved them for who they were, not who fathered them.
However, the incidence of pregnancy through rape is less than 1% assuming all the women were raped. Still, what is the logic behind kill a child for what their father did?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
only one thing as far as rape is concerned Joe, from the point of view of another pro-lifer:
it seems like an act devoid of compassion to suggest that someone who has been sexually violated is obligated to give birth to a child conceived in rape
parkesc21 2 years ago
Actually, it is not. The person who has the abortion suffers just as much or more than the child who is killed. The guilt of knowing you murdered an unborn child only adds to the pain of being raped. I have know several women who have been raped and conceived a child. Some kept the child while others gave the child up in adoption. The bottom line is that the unborn child is a life and there is no justification for killing the child.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
ADOPTION!!! Have you ever heard of that? Lots of people would love to take that child and raise it. So why kill it? Just give it up.
luv2snapit 2 years ago
there is adoption. and fist of all you cannot foresee if your life would be ruined if you kept the baby. that is such a fatalistic and hopeless way to look at things. :(
margottelint 2 years ago
She does not have to keep the child forever. She can give the child up for adoption knowing that she did the right and moral thing.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
So then, you're all in favor for the mother that throws a newborn baby in a dumpster?
MrSoundDood 2 years ago
Why don't you do some reading.
Peggytas 2 years ago 2
How many of those aborted fetuses would have died within two days of birth? Within a week? Within two weeks? How many would have killed their host parent? What agency has tracked every abortion to have ever happened?
Augur 2 years ago
What is your point?
Peggytas 2 years ago
If you are an atheist and think that you are a good person, you are only doing more than what your religion teaches. Good luck without God. I feel sorry for you.
When you can create even a single blade of grass from nothing let me know and I'll stop believeing in God.
1976LETA 2 years ago
THE HYDE AMMENDMENT STANDS AS LAW OF THE LAND. argue the facts truthfully, and quite frankly, pray, protest, but do not try to deny poor people basic health coverage, DO NOT LET THEM USE THE ABORTION ISSUE TO DENY WHAT SHOULD BE A RIGHT OF CITIZENSHIP. basic healthcare. I cannot understand how so many that worship Jesus Christ can allow the bankers and money changers to insert themselves between the patient and doctor for the sole purpose for profit. live the word of god to help, not deny help!
natesworld23 2 years ago
d00d, right now it's all about the abortion issue. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who don't want their tax dollars to go towards abortion.
& a little beside the point, Canada has national health care, and my brothers girlfriend is from Canada. She told me the emergency room wait is usually around 10 hours.
She's seen people die while waiting in the emergency room.
I have an idea! Why don't doctors stop charging an arm and a leg for people who are trying to keep their arm and leg?
USSA37 2 years ago
Oh, and like the video said. Health care totally destroys the Hyde Amendment.
So it won't any longer stand as "Law of the Land".
USSA37 2 years ago
genocide is legal in our country. God forgive us
stfjoewms 2 years ago
Thanks for putting this up.
animaamin3 2 years ago 2
I DID write to my Senators and the reply I got was "I just cannot deny women health care." What do you expect from Dems who tow the party line over the requests of their constituents?
ktnsteve 2 years ago 2
Try again and keep trying. Let them know that abortion is not health care. The AMA had to amend the Hippocratic Oath to allow doctors to kill babies in the womb. Keep letting them know that abortion is not health care. Abortion hurts women. Abortion contributes significantly to drug abuse, depression and alcoholism. Can likely get the statistics from Silent No More. The battle has been won in eternity. We just need to choose sides in time (double entendre intended).
Peggytas 2 years ago 5
@ktnsteve look man what do you want your senator to do? Snap his finger and single handedly walk through all the processes or getting a Federal Law repealed? Man he doesnt even run shit. Nobody in government is running the show. You saw puppets, you might want to shake yourself up a bit and realize the rug was pulled from under me and you. I want my rights back and I want everyone else to live more normally and this is currently an insane asylum.
itsadeadmansparty 1 year ago