The Zeitgeist Movement Fixes Everything (or, 'Check and Make Sure') - Infinit Yes Live Talk

[shtboxexpose]

Bravo! Excellent speech, hope you output more vids...

[Spazmatik83]

Great speech, Infinit Yes!

[DeistReality]

Excellent video!! We really can fix everything!! Keep up the awesome work!!

[averspilgrim1]

Wow, takes a lot of gumption to overcome a pretty intimaditing situation like that, especially with the subject matter being completely new and not even considered by most people. You have achieved great things since this ealry talk my friend, in spreading the word, I have been given hope by this movement, now its time to educate others, to the choices we can make.

[bluenightfox]

Try it again and again and again and if you fail.......well.....try again and again and again. That´s what my great-grandmother used to tell me. A bitch living up to it, but a heaven to live by it.

[enticed2zeitgeist]

Very good man! You really said it all!

You even addressed all of the biggest issues and misinterpretations of the entire concept!

[enticed2zeitgeist]

Wow! I've never heard the Scientific method boiled down so simply. "Check and Make Sure!"

[RBEFoundation]

TZM will succeed when only if they'll stop talking about shit they have no idea about. No explanation for conciseness? How uneducated this guy is?

Research Jeff Hawkins, these "secrets" have been unlocked years ago and being used on practice since 2005 or so.

[theinfinityes]

@RBEFoundation Jeff Hawkins has done great work on artificial intelligence, especially hierarchical thinking models, but he has not, to my knowledge and according to my research, established a theoretical basis that explains 'the hard problem of consciousness', which is still discussed as such in academic circles. Ideas have been posited, but to say that it has been solved is pure nonsense. We don't know why or how consciousness exists. We have some hypotheses but nothing concrete

[1115601]

@theinfinityes consciousness doesnt exist, it is just an illusion that we have because our brains interpret the images, sounds, smells and other outside information triggering chemical reactions that enable you to access stored information that you associate with other types of information like words or certain terms, places, friends. Its not complicated as most people think. Your brain is a database of images, sounds and smells and certain chemical reactions allow you to access them.

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 you can have a database (at least theoretically) that can do everything a human does, but does not have the experience of being conscious.

[1115601]

@theinfinityes i just think that is consciousness :) being able to interact with the environment and knowing it, saving it to the database, making 1000s of associations and having somekind of algorithm to think.

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 if i'm understanding you correctly, you think the experience of it 'being like somehting' to be a human is simply a byproduct of those processes. that is certainly possible, imo even likely, though not proven. my question is do you understand what i mean when i say that 'being able to interact with the environment', 'save it to a database,' etc. could possibly happen 'blind'? without a sensation of having an experience?

[1115601]

@theinfinityes adrenaline, blood flowing through your body, that is a sensation. You could link a sensation to an image of a place where you smelled something that your body has been trained during 1000s of years of evolution to like because it has associated it with survival. And the more easy it is to survive the better so you go find ways to make your life more easy.

[saydaysago2008]

@1115601 adrenaline is causally linked to a few different sensations, but adrenaline is not a sensation itself, it is a chemical. it sounds like you follow kurzweil and transhumanism. I do as well. kurzweils explanation for this is that "if a machine acts conscious, and can convincingly argue its own experience who are we to say that it isn't?" which is a pretty good argument, but it's not a proven fact.. yet. and i only stick to what science knows and has proven, not hypotheses, however likely.

[1115601]

@theinfinityes To answer your question, i think it happens blind, we are genetically programmed to do what we do. The feelings we have is life that we feel through our body. that is in contact with the outside world. Experience is just that, the feeling to be alive could be described as your phone knowing its battery level and adjusting the brightness of its screen.

[saydaysago2008]

@1115601 this could certainly be true, and i certainly understand that it is what you 'think', but it is not proven science. we do not know that a phones knowledge of its own battery life causes an experience analogous to a human feeling tired. it might, but we don't know that.

[1115601]

@saydaysago2008 then how do you know that consciousness not just a thought? i think that is just wishfull thinking and that isnt proven science either. If you really align all the facts, there is nothing that shows that humans have a soul or something in their body like a spirit, because that is what consciousness means. Vibrations of radiation can cause feelings for example but they are caused by the environment and caught by your sensors.

[saydaysago2008]

@1115601 i never said it wasn't just a thought, it might be. i actually think it's likely. i just said that we don't know. i'm not making any claim at all, except that there is no evidence to prove your claim. i am taking the proper stance of not knowing in the face of lack of evidence. you are making the claim, and have provided no evidence. i also made no claim about a spirit or soul, which you are correct there is also no evidence for.

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 'have a soul or something in their body like a spirit, because that is what consciousness means'

that is not what consciousness means. consciousness means having an experience. it means that there is something that it 'is like' to be something. there is something that it is like to be a dog, but there may not be something that it is like to be a computer. understand the difference. nobody here is arguing for a spirit or soul. i ask again whether you read the article i linked

[1115601]

@1115601 so what is the difference then between being aware and being conscious?

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 again, here is an article that explains the scientific gap in our knowledge of consciousness by nueroscientist and noted atheist thinker sam harris.

samharris . org/blog/item/the-mystery-of-c­onsciousness/

[1115601]

@1115601 because when you are not aware, can you be conscious?

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 (fyi, i am saydaysago2008, just accidentally was signed into the wrong profile)

there is no difference between being aware and being conscious. being aware is what i am talking about. we don't know why we have awareness at all. we have no scientific basis for understanding why the processes in our brain result in awareness. it's a gap in our scientific knowledge.

[1115601]

@theinfinityes i really dont think there is a gap. Be aware that the fire burns are sensors in your body that have evolved and adapted to life on this planet. You sense so you are aware of a certain condition of your environment. How complex that awareness is can range from a simple true or false to a complex algorithm.

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 'Be aware that the fire burns are sensors in your body that have evolved and adapted to life on this planet. You sense so you are aware of a certain condition of your environment. How complex that awareness is can range from a simple true or false to a complex algorithm.'

i agree with all of that. but none of it explains why we have consciousness.

[1115601]

@theinfinityes you said: there is no difference between being aware and being conscious. Consciousness can be seen imo as a complex combination of sensors giving us information that we interpret.

[saydaysago2008]

@1115601 'Consciousness can be seen imo as a complex combination of sensors giving us information that we interpret.'

again, i have to ask, did you read the sam harris article? you are saying that consciousness is simply sensors giving us information. sensors are not consciousness, they are sensors. consciousness is the experience of awareness. i understnad your opinion, but there is no evidence to prove that information processing inherently causes consciousness. it might, but its not proven.

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 the process of storing memory is not necessarily the same as the experience of memory, is it? the two may be inextricably linked. we might not be able to have a machine that can do that without experiencing it, but the experience is still a separate quality from the action. i can show you on an mri what happens in a human brain when we cause a person pain, but i can't quantify an explanation for what the experience of pain 'is like'.

[1115601]

@theinfinityes the experience is just an interpretation of something i think. Like pain can be experienced in many different ways, depending on your state of mind.

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 'Like pain can be experienced in many different ways, depending on your state of mind.'

this alludes to explaining the quality of conscious experience,, not why conscious experience exists in the first place, they are two different questions, and you are mostly only addressing the first.

[1115601]

@theinfinityes just give the algorithm some code with feelings in it so that for every entry in the database there is a link to a certain feeling. With personality patterns that evolve in different way according to multiple parameters. Man i could build a human :p hahaha

[1115601]

@theinfinityes we are more like machines that need energy (constant food and water needed) with some sensors to see, smell, hear, taste etc. And a brain that acts as database and processing unit. If i make a robot think like you do, exactly the same decisions at the same times etc, what would be the difference besides the body and looks?

[theinfinityes]

@1115601 did you read the article I linked you too? it answers your question. the difference is whether or not the machine which can process information like I do will have an experience of 'being' a machine, or not. it might. complicated information processing on its own might cause consciousness, but we don't know that for sure. definitely not. I agree that we are basically machines, but that doesn't give us a scientific basis for explaining consciousness.

[RBEFoundation]

@theinfinityes most people can't explain how modern computer works either, it doesn't mean we can't explain it. I think this is a status-quo when it comes to intelligence. Society been working on it for like past 70 years with almost 0 progress and then whola, in like 5 years we made more progress than in whole previous history.

Nothing mystical about conciseness, it is hierarchical temples of memory interacting with outside world based on external stimuli. How is that for definition? :)

[saydaysago2008]

@RBEFoundation i never said we can't explain consciousness, or that there was anything 'mystical' about consciousness, i just said that we hadn't explained it yet, and i made the concession that it was, of course, possible that we will never explain it, though I don't personally believe that to be true.

your definition talks about what seems to determine the quality of conscious experience, but it does not explain why or how consciousness is formed from the process you called a 'definition'.

[RBEFoundation]

@saydaysago2008 conciseness is formed in a mathematical model inside of hierarchical temple of memory. I suggest you to play around with ANN (Artificial Neural Network) software that simulates brain functionality on small scale.

It does explain how knowledge is accumulated, distributed across the network, used and processed. People in the field today do understand it.

[saydaysago2008]

@RBEFoundation 'It does explain how knowledge is accumulated, distributed across the network, used and processed. People in the field today do understand it.'

I agree with that. That is not what I was talking about. I was talking about how and why consciousness exists in the first place. I don't think you understand the point I was making, honestly. I am familiar with Jeff Hawkins and HTM's, these do not solve the 'hard problem of consciousness.'

[RBEFoundation]

@saydaysago2008 Please excuse me if I misunderstood you.

Yet, we were unable to build large scale model due to computational complexity to actually study it in detail, yet, small scale experiments show that we already figured intelligence/consciousnesses out.

At least from mathematical point of view, not sure about philosophy/psychology point of view.

[saydaysago2008]

@RBEFoundation

please read sam harris' article I linked you so you understand my point and we can actually talk about the same thing, rather than talking past each other.

samharris . org/blog/item/the-mystery-of-c­­onsciousness/

[RBEFoundation]

@saydaysago2008 thank you for the link, I'll read that.

[saydaysago2008]

@RBEFoundation the fact is that we know a lot about the physical circumstances surrounding consciousness and causing specific conscious experiences. we know that consciousness seems to be inextricably tied to the brain. what we don't know, and almost every scientist agrees, is why or how conscious experience is generated. there are hypotheses, but nothing even constituting a theory,

[theinfinityes]

@RBEFoundation Before going around accusing people of being 'uneducated', it might be helpful to talk to them and get an understanding of what exactly we are both talking about. Jeff Hawkins talks about how consciousness works, not why it exists in the first place. Please read this article by sam harris for some clarification as to what i was referring to. samharris . org/blog/item/the-mystery-of-c­onsciousness/

[RBEFoundation]

@theinfinityes I will read the link but I think "why" it exists doesn't really matter in science, it is more of a philosophical question.

We don't question why gravity exists, we just learn from it and use it practically to our benefit.

Maybe this is important, I'm not sure...

[aganon77]

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[Lukejcarter]

Infinityes you are AWESOME. Keep it up dude, you inspire!

[hi2u121221]

Old world order out, in with the "new" :-)

[lspmd2]

"...Collective Attention.."  i love it BRAVO

[1ove1000]

NWO!

[esca8652]

@1ove1000 The current system we are in isn't working anymore. What do you suggest? I suggest a world of unity and cooperation. a RBE is one that uses that same mentality. It's a logical step to start using technology to actually serve us rather than take away someone's job. For whatever reason, we could go back to the days where technology was conservative, such as before the information technology era and we could employ everyone. But that doesn't seem likely.

[petepamf]

@esca8652 Wow.. You spent that much time writing a NWO dude explaining the finer aspects of an RBE.

You're a better person than I.

[esca8652]

@petepamf I'm always trying to stick my two cents in :b

[liutasx]

Our consciousness is manifestation of neuron networks and I understand, that all life is adapting biochemical machines

Machines created by human isn't sophisticated enough, by it's matter of time, when such machines will be created, which have consciousness and able to learn, adapt.

[GTJony]

You're better than me haha.

[aganon77]

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[aganon77]

Love u guys/it

[Sithdisturber]

This man makes so much sense. Too bad the world is afraid to listen.

[yllierutube]

Great job!

[starknight97]

good try don't stop. To bad people can't shut up and lessen yet unless it's dancing with the stars. though we have too learn the skills too talk too and hold a crowd. yet I've been working on debate skills myself. Keep up the practice and hard work and thank you.

[IntuitiveLeap]

great job Mr Infinit :)

[zuluula]

POLAND IS WITH YOU PETER WELL DONE WITH THE SPEECH

[meadowsirl]

@zuluula thats not peter its Mr theinfinityes aka Aaron moritz

[ezittzsomle]

Bonus points for you brought up the topic of incompletion of our scientific method as well as the question of consciousness :) Keep up the good work!

[petepamf]

It's a bitch public speaking but you're getting better and better.