Where does the clip from 3:40 come from? --- is it an american TV show? --- It looks interesting --- especially with lewis black on the panel --- if anyone knows, please tell me!
Now girl without Christianity, people in the west, would have lived in wooden houses, and not never heard of hospitals, universities, research institutes and so on .
@benaberry FacePlam Asclepius haaaaa short bibliography L`uomo bizantino By Guglielmo Cavallo A History of Medicine: Byzantine and Islamic medicine by Plinio Prioresch The birth of the hospital in the Byzantine Empire by Timothy S. Miller The orphans of Byzantium: child welfare in the Christian empire by Timothy S. Miller several doctors Byzantine Paul of Aegina Alexander of Tralles Aëtius of Amida Rufos din Efes PS I speak of modern medicine, not witchcraft
Where is the history before constantine excepted christianity? Wasn't there hospitals or the practice of medicine before this time? I didnt say christianity didnt play a part in hospitals I stated hospitals where around before christianity, they weren't called hospitals but healing temples - Asclepieion. Have you heard of Hippocrates? He preceded christianity, he practiced medicine at these temples. You must respect the past.
@VyckRo hate to tell ya but they have had hospitals long before they had christians and universities and most if not all useful research institutes are secular and don't need to have anything to do with christians.
@VyckRo Romans constructed buildings called valetudinaria for the care of sick slaves, gladiators, and soldiers around 100 B.C. Asclepieion functioned as centers of medical advice, prognosis, and healing.earliest surviving encyclopedia of medicine in Sanskrit is the Carakasamhita. This text, which describes the building of a hospital is dated by Dominik Wujastyk of the University College London from the period between 100 BCE and CE150 NOTHING do do with christians
@VyckRo whatever dude you have lost this in a big way.all you have now is semantics..you said first hospital then first hospital not for gladiators ,now its first as an institution ..just keep moving the goal post.Fact is there where hospitals and school of higher learning that had nothing to do with christianity what so ever. Asclepieion of Epidaurus 350 bc Institutions created specifically to care for the ill also appeared early in India. nothing to do with chrisitans sorry try again
No the "first hospital" as Hospital not as places only dedicated to soldiers, wher primitive treatments were offered, among many prayers dedicated to the gods.
Hospital as Hospital, not as a tent where naturist treatments were given.
@VyckRo so the hospitals that used bloodletting would not be hospitals by your logic so that negates every example you gave.Patients who had the bubonic plague were told to perform penance then performing a religious devotion prescribed by a priest how is this different than what you mention?Again by your logic any primitive treatment negates it as a hospital so again every example you gave.you'er trapped again
No you are trapped, hospitals are institutions served by people specialized in medicine and not temples dedicated to healers gods, or tents for the military.
When you say"bubonic plague were told to perform penance then performing a religious devotion" you forget again, that I speak of institutions supported by state of the Byzantine Empire.
Though the name of the hospital in the West comes from Hospitalier Knights.
Obviously, Westerners are totally unaware, of the "Forget Great Giant of history" that is "Byzantine empire".However the first hospital with doctors, surgeons, nurses,and orderlies appeared in the Byzantine empire.
Here the State & Churches support medical establishments for the general benefit and not only soldiers or gladiators.
The first hospital as a institution was built by Basil of Caesarea fourth century.
@VyckRo Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, is generally considered to be the oldest university in the world.* It was founded roughly the same time as the city of Cairo, in 969 AD.NOT CHRISTIAN
The oldest university in the world is the University of Constantinople, which is not surprising. Considering the fact that Arabs have took almost all their knowledge from the Byzantines.
@VyckRo If we consider university as a corporation of students, then Plato's Academy in Athens is the first historically documented university. The original latin word "universitas", first used at the time of reniewed interested in Classical Greek and Roman tradition, tried to reflect this feature of Academy. If we consider university simply as a higher education institution, then it is Shangyang,
Desperate attempts of atheiststo modify history, are funny
Plato's Academy, as the Aristotle Lyceum or the Gymnasium were first of all socializing and meeting place.
They were not for the general public, and generally were concentrated around a single man.
University of Constantinople was divided into various departments, and preparing students in various specialties such as medicine, philosophy, theology.
@VyckRo desperate attempts of theists to modify history are funny. Plato's Academy ya your right nothing was learned there just a meeting place Aristotle studied there for twenty years before founding his own school. they worked out things like planetary motions,philosophy math and helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science,they had members like Aristotle, Heraclides, Eudoxus, Philip of Opus, but ya it was a gym LOL !!!!FAIL!!!!
You got that right... Christian University of Constantinople had 31 teachers, 10 of them for example were specialized in Greek literature and grammar, and another 10 in Latin literature and grammar. The Library of Constantinople have at the year 475, more than 120,000 volumes.
From 55,000 works of classical Greek, which have influenced modern civilization 40.000 came through Byzantium, including all who wrote those mentioned by you.
@VyckRo are you trying to make the point that christians are responsible for higher learning?I think the evidence shows we learned things in spite of them.These are the people that would kill you if you dare say the earth was round or went around the sun.They thought mental illness was because of sin."you forget again, that I speak of institutions supported by state of the Byzantine Empire``it was the catholic church that tried to pray away the plague. they were FULLY supported by the byzantine
"are you trying to make the point that christians are responsible for higher learning?"
you got that right! It is a almost universally recognized, historical fact.
"the earth was round "
See on Google "The Flat Earth Myth".
"it was the catholic"
NO, I speak of the ancient Orthodox Church ( Catholicism is only just a branch that broke up in 1054), search on youtube "ancient Orthodox Church " and see the first documentary.
@VyckRo that whole post was incoherent "the round earth" what ??It is a almost universally recognized, historical fact ?or that christians are responsible for higher learning?
christians clearly are not responsible for learning period.That myth has been the set back of scientific advancement for 2000 years.
And yes the earth is round no matter what the bible say we know the earth is a SPHERE how is this got anything to do with your point about hospitals ?
We as historians, never research history like that.
In reality You're trapped :)
Because if you say that Al-Azhar was the first University, then you admit my thesis, considering that the Arab world is tributary to the Byzantine world.
If it was Plato's Academy then which is our link with ancient Greece?
@VyckRo "Because atheism, millions of people died"
As I've said before, what if someone asked, me "You're a vegan? What do you have to say for all of the people who have been vegan, and who have bombed furriers, attacked factory farms, blown open laboratories which were testing on animals, etc.?
Nothing about this could ever undermine the ethical standpoint of veganism or animal rights, because veganism does not possess a doctrine. The same goes for atheism, whereas faiths have doctrines.
@VyckRo I hope you missed me, by the way. It's been a few days since I riposted your rather flippant, copy-pasted comment, and tracked as many instances of it that I could across your trail of visited videos. As I mentioned before, do let me know if I missed any, will you? It'd be a shame if no one got to see how poorly thought out that your arguments were, but I'm afraid they won't know if they don't have mine to compare them to.
@Yallniggasbetrollin Statistics show 17% of Americans are atheists but many more are secretly sick of religious crap. This rally is to embolden those fence sitters to come out openly as atheists. We need people to see that it's ok to not believe.
@Yallniggasbetrollin The rest of the West could use a Reason Rally too. Europe still has blasphemy laws, pseudoscience supported by the government, honor killings, violent homophobia, sectarianism, state-sponsored churches, and taxpayer faith schools.
Some nations could use a bigger dose of scientific fact and common sense than others, but all nations need a dose. In March, the American secularists are at least going to start the treatment.
Great video JFFF, I'll see you there. Did you watch mine?
PaleBlueDotCitizen 4 weeks ago
@PaleBlueDotCitizen I'm not sure... going to check now :)
jesusfetusfajitafish 4 weeks ago
"Science is interesting. If you do agree you can fuck off."
MrKov1985 1 month ago 2
The concept of god is more evil than satan himself.
Gunner3210 1 month ago
6:26 the best part
thejustin9000 1 month ago
I like the video it was good
thejustin9000 1 month ago
I want to go so badly, but I can't :(.
terranamber 1 month ago
Liked, Faved, Subscribed. Keep up the good work, jF3.
SwordofKnowledge 1 month ago
Where does the clip from 3:40 come from? --- is it an american TV show? --- It looks interesting --- especially with lewis black on the panel --- if anyone knows, please tell me!
@jesusfetusfajitafish
weemanaz 1 month ago
@weemanaz It is an HBO series called "The Green Room with Paul Provenza"
Both Paul Provenza and Jamie Kilstein will be at the Reason Rally :)
jesusfetusfajitafish 1 month ago
@jesusfetusfajitafish thanks man! appreciate it
weemanaz 1 month ago
@weemanaz oops... sorry... it's on Showtime
jesusfetusfajitafish 1 month ago
Excellent sh!t PERIOD
OriginalScuffler 1 month ago
good vid very nice thumbs up
eatingtacos000 1 month ago
Because atheism, millions of people died
Now girl without Christianity, people in the west, would have lived in wooden houses, and not never heard of hospitals, universities, research institutes and so on .
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo
Hospitals predate christianity.
benaberry 1 month ago 3
@benaberry
You know what, go and read a history book!!!
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo
Hart, Gerald D. MD. Asclepius: The God of Medicine (Royal Society of Medicine Press, 2000)
I'll gladly read your source. What is one?
benaberry 1 month ago 3
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo
Where is the history before constantine excepted christianity? Wasn't there hospitals or the practice of medicine before this time? I didnt say christianity didnt play a part in hospitals I stated hospitals where around before christianity, they weren't called hospitals but healing temples - Asclepieion. Have you heard of Hippocrates? He preceded christianity, he practiced medicine at these temples. You must respect the past.
benaberry 1 month ago 3
@VyckRo
Even Islamic medicine used what the greeks had learned. Not until the 14th century did things change.
benaberry 1 month ago 4
@VyckRo hahahaha the joke of the day my friend!
anyrock22 1 month ago 2
@anyrock22
No Atheism is a joke!
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo hahaha its funny to see you say that when you believe in a jewish zombie xD
anyrock22 1 month ago 2
@VyckRo hate to tell ya but they have had hospitals long before they had christians and universities and most if not all useful research institutes are secular and don't need to have anything to do with christians.
alltiedup217 1 month ago 3
@alltiedup217
No, In ancient times they had temples were people were taken to die in a more honorable way.
Hospitals, universities, orphanages, homes for the elderly, research institutes, all have appeared in Christianity.
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo Romans constructed buildings called valetudinaria for the care of sick slaves, gladiators, and soldiers around 100 B.C. Asclepieion functioned as centers of medical advice, prognosis, and healing.earliest surviving encyclopedia of medicine in Sanskrit is the Carakasamhita. This text, which describes the building of a hospital is dated by Dominik Wujastyk of the University College London from the period between 100 BCE and CE150 NOTHING do do with christians
alltiedup217 1 month ago
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VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo whatever dude you have lost this in a big way.all you have now is semantics..you said first hospital then first hospital not for gladiators ,now its first as an institution ..just keep moving the goal post.Fact is there where hospitals and school of higher learning that had nothing to do with christianity what so ever. Asclepieion of Epidaurus 350 bc Institutions created specifically to care for the ill also appeared early in India. nothing to do with chrisitans sorry try again
alltiedup217 1 month ago
@alltiedup217
No the "first hospital" as Hospital not as places only dedicated to soldiers, wher primitive treatments were offered, among many prayers dedicated to the gods.
Hospital as Hospital, not as a tent where naturist treatments were given.
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo so the hospitals that used bloodletting would not be hospitals by your logic so that negates every example you gave.Patients who had the bubonic plague were told to perform penance then performing a religious devotion prescribed by a priest how is this different than what you mention?Again by your logic any primitive treatment negates it as a hospital so again every example you gave.you'er trapped again
alltiedup217 1 month ago
@alltiedup217
No you are trapped, hospitals are institutions served by people specialized in medicine and not temples dedicated to healers gods, or tents for the military.
When you say"bubonic plague were told to perform penance then performing a religious devotion" you forget again, that I speak of institutions supported by state of the Byzantine Empire.
Though the name of the hospital in the West comes from Hospitalier Knights.
VyckRo 4 weeks ago
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@alltiedup217
Obviously, Westerners are totally unaware, of the "Forget Great Giant of history" that is "Byzantine empire".However the first hospital with doctors, surgeons, nurses,and orderlies appeared in the Byzantine empire.
Here the State & Churches support medical establishments for the general benefit and not only soldiers or gladiators.
The first hospital as a institution was built by Basil of Caesarea fourth century.
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, is generally considered to be the oldest university in the world.* It was founded roughly the same time as the city of Cairo, in 969 AD.NOT CHRISTIAN
alltiedup217 1 month ago
@alltiedup217
The oldest university in the world is the University of Constantinople, which is not surprising. Considering the fact that Arabs have took almost all their knowledge from the Byzantines.
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo If we consider university as a corporation of students, then Plato's Academy in Athens is the first historically documented university. The original latin word "universitas", first used at the time of reniewed interested in Classical Greek and Roman tradition, tried to reflect this feature of Academy. If we consider university simply as a higher education institution, then it is Shangyang,
all nothing to do with chrisitans
alltiedup217 1 month ago
@alltiedup217
Desperate attempts of atheiststo modify history, are funny
Plato's Academy, as the Aristotle Lyceum or the Gymnasium were first of all socializing and meeting place.
They were not for the general public, and generally were concentrated around a single man.
University of Constantinople was divided into various departments, and preparing students in various specialties such as medicine, philosophy, theology.
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo desperate attempts of theists to modify history are funny. Plato's Academy ya your right nothing was learned there just a meeting place Aristotle studied there for twenty years before founding his own school. they worked out things like planetary motions,philosophy math and helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science,they had members like Aristotle, Heraclides, Eudoxus, Philip of Opus, but ya it was a gym LOL !!!!FAIL!!!!
alltiedup217 1 month ago
@alltiedup217
"Plato's Academy ..."
You got that right... Christian University of Constantinople had 31 teachers, 10 of them for example were specialized in Greek literature and grammar, and another 10 in Latin literature and grammar. The Library of Constantinople have at the year 475, more than 120,000 volumes.
From 55,000 works of classical Greek, which have influenced modern civilization 40.000 came through Byzantium, including all who wrote those mentioned by you.
;-)
VyckRo 4 weeks ago
@VyckRo are you trying to make the point that christians are responsible for higher learning?I think the evidence shows we learned things in spite of them.These are the people that would kill you if you dare say the earth was round or went around the sun.They thought mental illness was because of sin."you forget again, that I speak of institutions supported by state of the Byzantine Empire``it was the catholic church that tried to pray away the plague. they were FULLY supported by the byzantine
alltiedup217 4 weeks ago
@alltiedup217
"are you trying to make the point that christians are responsible for higher learning?"
you got that right! It is a almost universally recognized, historical fact.
"the earth was round "
See on Google "The Flat Earth Myth".
"it was the catholic"
NO, I speak of the ancient Orthodox Church ( Catholicism is only just a branch that broke up in 1054), search on youtube "ancient Orthodox Church " and see the first documentary.
VyckRo 4 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@VyckRo that whole post was incoherent "the round earth" what ??It is a almost universally recognized, historical fact ?or that christians are responsible for higher learning?
christians clearly are not responsible for learning period.That myth has been the set back of scientific advancement for 2000 years.
And yes the earth is round no matter what the bible say we know the earth is a SPHERE how is this got anything to do with your point about hospitals ?
alltiedup217 4 weeks ago
@alltiedup217
"all nothing"
We as historians, never research history like that.
In reality You're trapped :)
Because if you say that Al-Azhar was the first University, then you admit my thesis, considering that the Arab world is tributary to the Byzantine world.
If it was Plato's Academy then which is our link with ancient Greece?
Shangyang - be seriously
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo "Because atheism, millions of people died"
As I've said before, what if someone asked, me "You're a vegan? What do you have to say for all of the people who have been vegan, and who have bombed furriers, attacked factory farms, blown open laboratories which were testing on animals, etc.?
Nothing about this could ever undermine the ethical standpoint of veganism or animal rights, because veganism does not possess a doctrine. The same goes for atheism, whereas faiths have doctrines.
themediocrenontheist 3 weeks ago
@VyckRo I hope you missed me, by the way. It's been a few days since I riposted your rather flippant, copy-pasted comment, and tracked as many instances of it that I could across your trail of visited videos. As I mentioned before, do let me know if I missed any, will you? It'd be a shame if no one got to see how poorly thought out that your arguments were, but I'm afraid they won't know if they don't have mine to compare them to.
Do be a doll and double-check, will you?
themediocrenontheist 3 weeks ago
@Thunderf00t
cease to accept only atheist video!
VyckRo 1 month ago
If religeon is band humans wil find other reasons to kill and abuse each other, its human nature
sinasfles 1 month ago
@sinasfles
It isn't human nature, its human conditioning.
kentatsu77 1 month ago
@sinasfles
It isn't human nature, its human conditioning.
kentatsu77 1 month ago
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@sinasfles It isn't human nature, its human conditioning.
kentatsu77 1 month ago 2
Nice mash-up. Also, gotta love the Dawkins line at the end.
Octoschizare 1 month ago 2
i wish i could join... perhaps take some pictures...
prowled 1 month ago
The United States of America; the only place in the western world where you need to start a rally to promote Scientific fact and common sense.
What the fuck.
Yallniggasbetrollin 1 month ago 54
@Yallniggasbetrollin Statistics show 17% of Americans are atheists but many more are secretly sick of religious crap. This rally is to embolden those fence sitters to come out openly as atheists. We need people to see that it's ok to not believe.
PaleBlueDotCitizen 4 weeks ago
@Yallniggasbetrollin The rest of the West could use a Reason Rally too. Europe still has blasphemy laws, pseudoscience supported by the government, honor killings, violent homophobia, sectarianism, state-sponsored churches, and taxpayer faith schools.
Some nations could use a bigger dose of scientific fact and common sense than others, but all nations need a dose. In March, the American secularists are at least going to start the treatment.
/overextended metaphor
kissfan7 3 weeks ago
I like this, you will get a thumb up :)
TheThinkinggimp 1 month ago
Wanna spoon?
billb380 1 month ago 2
Very Nice!
billb380 1 month ago 8