Stanley Meyer VIC resonant electrolysis mod

[Tohmahak12]

try hooking the floating wire throught a diode and back after the diode in your VIC circuit. This is how I get the best power transfert and the max bubbles.

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[gilligan80]

i mean the basis for the whole circuit is the oxide layer of chromium in between the two surfaces... once that layer is built up enough its no longer an electrolysis cell... think about what a semiconductor is... AN OXIDE... when this thing runs right the water is being broken down by a semiconductors action.. .hence little current draw... no heating of water... no heating of circuit....no WASTE... thats what I have discovered anywase... keep your bare fingers off the surfaces too

[xsports49]

nice work. do you no where i can find a dc toroid transformer?

[simnimbus]

Could you please, please, please make a 24V circuit that can handle up to 35-40 amps? I really need help finding a Toroid that can work in this kind of setup.

I may be wrong about what I need, I'm using a bruit force DC circuit on a 24V Battery and I'm tuning my electrolyte mixture low enough to keep a 40 amp fuse from popping. ( I wanted a 35amp fuse but no luck)

I'm really looking for a way to do what you are showing here.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[gilligan80]

@simnimbus the point of the circuit is minimal amp draw... even if you have a supply that has 600 amps the circuit is designed to only utilize as much as it can draw.... your car stereo doesnt use all the current that your car battery and alternator can supply at one single time... stainless develops a chromium oxide layer when run on DC in plain tap water... the water gets dirty then change it right away... keep doing that till you get the white coating in between the tubes...

[jburnum]

Study Steinmetz compound oscillations as well as Tesla one wire technology. I believe your toroid has to be impedance matched to the 1/4 wave open path resonance of the bifilar and water. I also believe you are creating a stationary quarter wave of the open path. The water just happens to be a part of the entire open path wire. You can do this with a line transmission coil in open path and gain serious voltages when you hit longitudinal resonance. This is Tesla's one wire technology!!!

[IsItTrue99]

Not sure i understand this video, how can the mean voltage be higher than the P-P voltage in a sine wave? shouldnt there be a step charging effect not a sine wave?

[IsItTrue99]

thanks

[saki71sgd]

Hi...i ve done the same thing yesterday..Results r wonderfull..@ low current 550ma i ve get pretty good amount of hydrogen in pure water...google it...low current hho

[blaargenheimer]

Now all you need is a way to vary the distance between your electrodes based upon the frequency, as well as calculate the frequency wave distance, and place your electrodes accordingly.

[harryfodder]

you only have like 30 volts... you need about 2000 volts to make as much hydrogen as he was...

[serphant420]

use a tv coil to get higher voltage...it works perfect...you are also missing a wave bridge rectifier

[prototype9000]

stanley meyers used a ramp wave and the voltage intensifier coil was made out of stainless steel wire dont really need that but the ramp wave seems the most important i read it in the xogen patent used the same tech as stanley meyers

[lieberman70]

What happens if you connect the loose end of the coil to an iron or copper sphere?

What if you load the copper sphere with statical electricity before?

Propably the eigenfrequency will change but could it be that the resultung amplitutes will increase to show some amazing effects?

The reference is to that of a driven pendulum at resonance where the external power force (g, here the loaded sphere) commits to the amplification factor Q.

[FLABERGAG]

I think once you set the tubes up right, Like more cymetrical. You'll get better results.

[minde4000]

Seems like bs to me. Response video is much more like it. I am currently working on tunning of wfc system. I cannot get unipolar voltage "step-up" waves with my bifilar. I do get a resonance with some +100/-100 peak-to-peak but those waves are bipolar :(( I wonder if single bifilar coil usage is total bs? If I make connection otherwise I cannot get it resonate to such a hi votage. Should I use 2 chokes instead like patent says? I have all instruments needed could anyone help please!?

[tvryb]

no, this is wrong.

the second coil is absolutely necessary

[TeslaLight]

Why don't you place the lamp on the ground side. You are trying to destroy electrons going into the water, not coming out. This is what Meyer meant by "prevent electron leakage." - Prevent them from getting into the cell so that he could extract them

[jneuma]

What you NEED is Three Freq together which are 600 hz , 630 hz, `12000hz to fracture water bonds...

[96cobramustang]

who ever is deleting the important facts about stan meyers videos sucks

[sebosfato]

any way you shoud consider impedance matching and for this also the resonance frequency must be know before the design of the transformer.because of the reactance in the coil so you want to have the same resistence on both coils and load so you get max power transfer... i guess...

how much capacitance you got in your cell with distiled or tap water?

[MajorUtah]

Well the supply needs to be generated by an alternator for starters, and an ignition coil... wait, i am not seeing S. Meyer's circuit here.. this is a different circuit all together... never mind,

*Xy;

[ryanschuetze]

in my own work ive found it to be helpful to add parrelel capacitence to the electrolyzer, although i havent built the oscillator circuit yet the equations and an LCR meter have been invaluble.

[ryanschuetze]

as you know resonance occurs at

F=1/ 2pi^2*LCsqrt

for every capacitor and inductor combination there is a frequency at which they resonate

mr meyer created his duel 555 timer circuit as a means to generate the frequency and create step charging at resonance, in his design the secondary inductor functioned only as a way to balance the voltage fields accross the water/capacitor.

[ryanschuetze]

teslas famous coil functioned on the basis that the air between the secondary coil and the earth had capacitence

[michaelpudney]

that's very interesting,this might be a silly idea but what if the floating unconnected coil is connected to a neutral plate like they have in some plate electrolysers

[InventorGadget]

ohh.. nice idea, to try that one, maybe a neutral in a separate tank, and then in-hho-cell. NICE!

[kencbk]

nice resonant electrolysis mod, can a flyback work as the transformer in that circuit?

[hdemartin]

I have some flybacks and will give it a try. My main concern is that the power requirements might fry out the flyback. Also, the flyback itself has a resonant frequency and anything aside from that is too low voltage. The toroidal core I had, with my own windings, was more heavy duty.

[kencbk]

thanks, just reply back when it works. :)

[bartley440]

Can you tell us/me what the frequency was at when the water started to bubble!?

[hdemartin]

Hmm, if I remember correctly, it was around 18.5 kHz. But when I used another toroidal transformer I had (smaller one) it shifted up to maybe 50kHz. So I think the transformer inductance and distributed capacitance affects the resonance of the VIC. Or maybe it's an impedance matching thing - different impedance in xformer, different resonant frequency in circuit.

[crippled82]

How much power is consumed by the lamp parallel to the cell?

[hdemartin]

I don't know, maybe 5 watts? The pulses going through were neither nice sine waves nor DC, so I couldn't make a power measurement with the instruments that I have. Well, bet there's a method via my PC oscilloscope but I'll have to look up that method.

[jeanjeansl]

How much voltage are you getting threw the Cell. Do you think that more voltage would create more production?

[hdemartin]

My video shows the mean voltage was ~32V with a 12V sine around that at resonance. So it ranged from 26V-38V. Notice this is NOT what Stan Meyer talked about with step charging up into the kV range. I'm still hunting for the key to getting that high voltage step charging, which I think is THE key to getting this to work even in distilled water. Take note - store-bought distilled water is not ultrapure, it still has ~500-800 ohm resistance only.

[Jeremy87901]

Hi, If you don't mind would you tell me if you have a AC or DC voltage coming out of your frequency generator, I realize that you are using about 12.5V DC for the input? Can you also tell me about what frequency you are geting resonents? I thank you very much and have a nice day.

[hdemartin]

My freq-gen put out pulsed DC to drive a power MOSFET which was gating my benchtop 12-18 Volt power supply right through the primary of my toroid. Res frequency was ~18kHz, but the frequency changed when I used a different toroid, therefore it has more to do with the VIC circuit than any intrinsic "water molecule resonance." In other words, if you were to build this yourself, you'd get a different res frequency, though it would likely be under 700 mhz.

[hdemartin]

Nope not overunity. In fact, while this does show resonance, I suspect it's not identically Meyer resonance, but more likely an impedance matching thing to drive maximum power into the water cell. I'll resume work on this in a couple months and try to achieve that high voltage step charging effect, which I'm not getting here (only 38 V max... vs 20kV max in Meyer). My point in posting this video was to show that resonance is a step in the right direction. If no resonance anywhere, off mark.

[TeslaLight]

I think you have way too much core mass on your choke and your wire size is too small and turns are far too many.

I think your toroid core mass is about equal so you can not saturate your choke unless you provide an inductive kick through the single wire.

If you used a larger primary core or a small choke your mystery goes away.

Also, your scope shots do not show resonance.

[TeslaLight]

But wait there is more.. Now that I see you are using less than 20 watts of power there is NO WAY you are going to saturate all that ferrite at these frequencies.

Your power supply has a core about that size. Now how would it be possible to drive that AND the choke from the core mass of the power supply?

Simple physics and electromagnetics.

[lvildos]

choke core saturation implies hysteresis which increases power losses, increasing power requirements for the VIC. Doesn't sound right

[TeslaLight]

He wanted to get rid of the current to let the voltage do the work. The transformer just charges the caps (pulse forming network) Shorted coil on transformer compresses pulse into large spike to charge cap. Series of caps splits the water, laser makes bur time longer. Power gets generated inresonant cavity (H2 to H1 transmute) which resonates at 1420mhz - See hydrogen maser atomic clock

What the fracture generator did is fire a series of cap banks - similar to water spark plugs.

[TeslaLight]

That is my best guess anyway and explains all the parts.

[lvildos]

am sorry, you did not address the reasons for saturation being an objective in the coils to counter my argument identifying it as a source of energy losses of the VIC

[TeslaLight]

Bifilar coils do not induct. Meyer used is as a pulse forming network. The outer primaries "combed" through the choke according to Meyer in his notes - section 7 and 10 cover the primary transformer and resonant charge choke as I recall. Dankie put up a high res photo of that part of the device - resonant charge choke.

Nobody addresses the part that made it all work, the fracture generator.

What Ravi or someone else is doing doesn't have anything to do with Meyer despite the claims.

[lvildos]

if the bifilar is wired for mutually countering magnetic fields then I understand as you, it is not inductive. However where does the resonant properties come from if not the water capacitor and a choke ( The "resonant charge choke" ) ?

[TeslaLight]

It is more complicated than that. It is a little known transformer trick that does not allow multiple fields to collapse at the same time. This is the reason that you get more pulses out than you put in, it is the multiple inductors collapsing one at a time.

Also there were multiple VIC's, one for the air gas processor which is actually a cathode laser accelerator.

This is the reason you keep seeing multiple inductors in Meyers notes and patents. some are storage areas of sorts.

[lvildos]

your writing style makes it hard to identify the value in its statements

[TeslaLight]

That would be "in your statements" since a statement can't have a writing style.

Perhaps it is just your inability to read and comprehend the statements.

[lvildos]

different painting styles can portray certain statements, other styles other statements and some statements are excluded from other painting styles. It is why you have all sorts of artistic variations.

Dear sir, your statements in question are not the scientific type, they resemble more the mysterious type. Have a second look at them and you'll agree, I can go through them step by step for you

[TeslaLight]

I went back and read them. While a bifilar typically does not induct, that is not why Meyer wound it that way. Look at fig. 6-4 in his notes. Not that the E core has three legs and that Meyer comes in on an outer leg, goes through a bifilar in the center leg and that the other bifilar and other leg are shorted together. That other leg is a feedback inductor and when multiples are used, they do not collapse at the same time, they can't.

That basic principle is the basis for Meyer and other OU.

[TeslaLight]

The "writing style" is the effect of trying to explain a difficult technical explanation in 500 characters in a little box in the middle of nowhere.

The shorted coil produces a pulse compression and so voltage goes up - hence I suspect the term VIC.

[lvildos]

you certainly don't owe me an explanation but I keep finding them somewhat obscure. I guess the only alternative left is to have an executable diagram with component specifications, take it from there

[hdemartin]

If you can't see the video, click the link in the description. I don't know if this is a glitch or intentional censoring, but it does show up in some browsers but not in others.

[hdemartin]

Also, I'm getting side-tracked by other stuff and as far as Meyer goes consider me M.I.A for the time being. Will get back to this in a few weeks or more. Next idea is to use a really big air-core coil (like 2 to 5 lbs of #24 magnet wire) to create a HUGE flyback EMF effect.

[2br2br2]

Try 18 - 20 amps , 12V DC add a little

arm & hammer and she'll pump lika scalded

monkey!

The frequency thing is interesting if it can bust open molecular structure but a 350v8 engine runs on combustion / hydrogen and I do it with amps-pwm-correct cell.

I get tripple the mpg with the efie.

Kinda like a car with everything but the

uumph.

Then the uumph...becomes everything.

[billzball]

i would like to know if the second coil winding is hooked as the pluse pick up coil.if it isn't where is it hooed up to and how did you wind the resonant coil up to the the coil thak you biizball

[doug900S]

I sure would like to see this video! Is there an alternate source to post it?

[doug900S]

There's a lot of censorship in this country (esspecially when we threaten the asshole greedy oil companies, that have the balls to post record profits, and many of us have to choose between food and fuel! The bastards!!). This country isn't as free as they tell us, but they have it frosted over well. Did you know that the u.s. IS NOT the most free country in the world? I believe the Netherlands are more free.

[DANKIETRAIN]

imo , this is the most intriguing wfc video out there , its obviously high voltage electrolysis . Nothing like the crap lawton video .

[airc123]

Hey conect the bulb side to the other end of the coil but keep the secondery to the ciol end where you had it orignaly!!!

It will work better1

[crackahcrackah]

google bob boyce. You can hunt down instructions for how to build your own scalar wave generator. There's a reason why youtube is being bitchy about keeping this video available. I bet you could access any stupid youtube porn or other retarded videos with out the problems this one has been having.

Scalar waves=longitudinal waves. It's the "radiant" energy Tesla wrote about but the bankers have hid. We MUST get the word out about how simple these devices are b4 they tank the dollar!

[DANKIETRAIN]

what exactly is happening here , whats the equation of this ? lc resonance ? the voltage is clearly is the kilovols range since your getting some arcing at 5:55 and 6;09 , but how is it lighting up the bulb at maximum brighness while in kilovolt range is what i wanna know

[crackahcrackah]

No equation. If this thing is creating longitudinal waves none of our conventional western mathematics apply. The Russians have the mathematics available. Search for "tom Bearden" on youtube and you can get more information regarding this effect(ahranov-bohm). Any resonance that this circuit may create is with respect to longitudinal waves NOT transverse(electromagnetic).

Screw you youtube. You can't stop P2P file sharing but nice try :P !

[bodziobran]

I have two ideas for you :

1. Remove return connection from bifilar back to the transformer

2. Remove cell and put here bulb instead.Try to make it very bright (resonance).Then remove bulb and put here cell.

[WhiteFoot420]

try using steam instead of water... meyer used a steam resonator in his high voltage vic circuit for the spark plug. steam's dielectric is only 1.00785... good for high voltage caps =)

[wizzfrog]

Hi,

Interesting work... I'm interested in trying this too, but I see so many people trying to re-invent the wheel, I wonder if there is an easier way.

The meyer's idea is basically a resonator based on the Tesla coil idea (from the late 1800's) that was used to generate high currents. This is what is needed for electrolysis.

So, it would be interesting to know what Amps you get on the output. I would also assume there are comercial PS that do that well these days, like car stereo amplifiers

[crackahcrackah]

google bob boyce and look at his method's for making an electrolyzer using a 6.5inch toroid with a PWM operating with 3 harmonic frequencies. DL and print out copies of the details in case the globalists drop the grid. This information must be preserved and spread as rapidly as possible. And stock up on food supplies in case of an engineered food shortage the same way the Zionist bolshevik revolution screwed the Ukranians (1930-50s).

[h2opower]

I have something for you to try hooked up like that if you will. Hook up a high voltage cap with about 1000uf or so to the back side or the choke none used wire and hook the other side of the cap too the secondary. Please make a vid of that too:)

Thanks from h2opower.

[tiidukas]

light bulb is an excellent idea. i hooked it on a bit differently (i haven't gotten to the step-up transformer yet), but it seems to be a great indicator whether or not you are at the resonant frequency, also thanks for including the toroid core specs, the cwsbytemark people are the real deal.

[hotrodfun]

Impressive!

[r902179]

what happens when you leave the globe out of the curcuit

[oystla]

Have you "conditioned" the pipe (i.e. created this non conducting coating on the inner tube as ravi and others have shown) before running this test?

[oystla]

Have you "conditioned" the pipe (i.e. created this non conducting coating on the inner tube as ravi and others have shown) before running this test?

[oystla]

Have you "conditioned" the pipe (i.e. created this non conducting coating on the inner tube as ravi and others have shown) before running this test?

[theoneagain]

something is missing

keep researching and keep posting

[h2opower]

When I did the same thing I notice that it will grab the ground from the measuring devices, if you take off all of the grounds from the, scope ect, it wont work. I was curious so I tried it too:). But that is what I found out, it is able to use any ground that it conected too.

[aggiesoft]

Very interesting.

[WhiteFoot420]

Have you considered trying hv with your circuit? with a modified dual ignition coil vic, i only get output from electrodes with the nonconductive coating.

meyers vic being a primary, 3 secondaries, and a pickup, with a diode in the mix...

anyone ever seen a Tesla Resonant Charging Circuit??? compare it to Stan's vic circuits.

[hdemartin]

Without the bifilar coil, arranged as in the video, my step-up transformer does very little in terms of transferring power to the water cell. So that might be similar to your dual ignition coil if you also lacked the bifilar chokes. Somehow what I did in the video resulted in an impedance match at the resonant frequency, and only then did decent gas action occur.

[retrochronyx]

Try making this change:

Connect the positive end of coil "B" of your bifilar coil to electrode "B" of your WFC.

And connect the negative end of coil "B" of your bifilar coil to the negative end of the secondary.

Now test for resonance.

[retrochronyx]

Hmmm....

Currently, the positive end of coil "A" of your bifilar coil is connected to the diode, the negative end is connected to electrode "A" of your WFC.

Also, the positive end of coil "B" of your bifilar coil is connected to the negative end of the secondary and also connected to electrode "B" of your WFC.

And, the negative end of coil "B" of your bifilar coil is connected nothing.

[XRRep]

light is glowing becouse of the extra electrons coming from water dissassociation

[h2opower]

Hook up the negative tube to the bifilar and ground the other end of that same wire, not the secondary winding. On the positive side make a voltage multiplier in the place of the blocking diode(use ultra fast diodes and ceramic caps). Get it too arch slightly in pure water no salts, aim for 42.8k Hz, then very the pulsing. Best if you make a circuit where voltage can be controlled independently of frequency/pulsing. This is a dual tank circuit one side high voltage the negative side resonance.

[h2opower]

Oh and have the start of the positive side of the choke going too the cell, and leave the negetive side just as you have it.

[hdemartin]

Okay, good ideas... will give that a try. Thanks!

[h2opower]

That was a good idea with the light to help find the resonance. I will give that a try too, but I am pushing over 1k volts but I don't know how much for my volt meter only goes as high as 1k volts, lol.

[hdemartin]

Well see Meyer was talking about minimizing amps and having the voltage go as high as possible with a step charging effect. Here instead the amps appear to be maximizing, based on the bulb glowing brighter and power supply indicating more current draw at the primary. So I don't know if this qualifies as minimal amp flow as in only 'leakage current' in the milliamp range through the water.

[hdemartin]

Nevertheless, without the bifilar coil, the distilled water would barely bubble even with same or higher voltage coming out of the toroid transformer. With it, there appears to be an automatic impedance match happening for max power deliver to water that changes to suit the conductivity. So it's getting somewhere, just not all the way there.