"Horse pistol," in the 1840s/50s meant "designed to be carried on horseback." It didn't mean "big enough to kill a horse." That is a 20th and 21st Century misnomer.
@newhuskytwenty Well actually, that's *partly* accurate. It's true that it was the ".357 magnum of it's time", but it was far from an actual magnum and wasn't designed to take down a horse. The reason it was called a "horse pistol" is because the Walker and the Dragoon were so heavy that most soldiers who were issued one carried it in a holster mounted on the saddle of their horse. In spite of what we see on "The Outlaw Josey Wales", very few Dragoon owners actually wore them on their belts.
@HooseBinPharteen The very name, "Dragoon" tells us what it was meant for: a mounted soldier. If you look at the engraving on the cylinder, the initials "U.S.M.R." are visible, "United States Mounted Rifles", AKA "Dragoons".
@newhuskytwenty I read that on a book about ancient guns, but how knows the truth? Of course black powder offers low velocity and the only way to improve the stopping power is getting a bigger caliber. In order to take down a horse a .52 caliber would do it better
@newhuskytwenty It's pretty well historically documented. 50-60 grains driving a small 170 grain ball from a short barrel just wouldn't do it unless you got the horse in a lucky spot at close range. The most common calibers were 32, 44, 45, 50, 54 and 58, the last three most commonly were rifle rounds, driving anywhere from 80-140 grains from a 30-34 inch barrel, giving it the most energy and best accuracy possible for the day. But either way, the Dragoon is still one of my favorite weapons. :)
Either way you look at it, I wouldnt want to get hit by it. The .22lr will kill you, so a .454 lead ball smashing into you is going to easily do the job.
Dragoons are Very Powerful! Using the proven TKO Method of measuring Power, The Walker and Dragoons with the right Powder, like 777, Swiss BP,KIK BP and Black MZ and with the Right Projectile like my New VKV 240 and 255 Grain Bullets are capable of exceeding 357 and 41 Magnum Power with more sectional density and a bigger hole!! Videos demonstrating my bullet are on my channel and Mr. Hovey Smith's Channel.
I like modern firearms, easy to load and hold more rounds. However, if some druggy rapist kicked in my front door at 2 in the morning and all I had was a 44 cal. cap and ball revolver like the Dragoon I would not feel unarmed. It will still put down a bad guy just as well today as it did 150 years ago.
This is EXACTLY the reason why I prefer black powder revolvers over modern weapons. The projectiles are slower but ALL of the energy is dispersed upon impact.
With a revolver in hand, I feel like Eliot Ness pursuing Al Capone, or Indiana Jones chasing a Nazi tank on horseback, or Phillip Marlowe going down the mean streets of L.A. With a semiauto in hand, I feel like I'm holding a hair dryer.
If it's who would win in a gunfight at 10 yards or less, of course it's the modern handgun. There's a reason they kept making improvements.
However, who would win at 50 yards? That's debatable. In my experience, the dragoon is more likely to hit a human target at 50 yards; they're accurate as hell. If the 1911 actually hit you at 50 yards, then it would probably prevail. But you can't win if you don't hit.
@9mmghosty However, as I said in the beginning, bp revolvers aren't about gunfights or home defense; they're about going out to the range and having fun. There's nothing silly or wrong with that.
When you mentioned that black powder firearms dont measure up to modern magnums I felt that it would be prudent to point out that the Walker Colt was the most powerful repeating handgun in the world until 1934 when the .357 magnum was produced. The .357 only realy surpassed the Walker on paper as the larger, heavier bullet would generaly produce better knock down power. So the dragoon realy isnt exactly a slouch in the power department either.
@timmytyphoon There's actually a little more to it than that. 1) The average 357 bullet is 158 grains, the average bullet for a .44 walker or a dragoon was 140 grains. Also the 357 round travels well over 1200+ fps and generates over 41,000 lbs of pressure as opposed to the C&B .44, approximately 1,100 fps - a respectible velocity - but only generates about 15,000 lbs of pressure MAX. Not nearly the stopping power of the 357. So, The walker/dragoon = smaller shot, slower speed, less pressure.
@HooseBinPharteen There's also the additional factory that the higher energy, higher velocity .357 round causes considerable system shock to the target and destroys much more tissue than the slower moving BP driven slugs. Civil War soldiers with gunshot wounds tended to die from infection brought on by shattered bones, pieces of clothing traveling into the wound with the bullet, or from the painful amputations on a non-sterile battlefield than from the gunshot itself.
@HooseBinPharteen In reality the Walker/Dragoon is closer to a 1911: fairly low speed bullet that gets the job done. Main difference is the 1911 is faster, easier to reload and has much heavier rounds, thus more effective manstopper. BUT, the walkers and dragoons are far larger and more intimidating and really fun to shoot. :)
@HooseBinPharteen I've asked around a little bit.. there is just one gun dealer in my contry that sells this kind off weapons and you have to order it from italy (shipment every 2 months).. I'm probably get pietta 1858 model (cca.650 dollars with accesoriess).. it is a plus that this type off weapons dont need gun license!
I just showed this one to my wife...she said she knew I would've liked to used this on the guy in VA beach that lost our honeymoon reservation! I still remember firing the 1st model dragoon colt "hogleg",& the sound is spot on! God,how I love this one! thanx for the memories,man!
@CameraGamer I was hoping it was audible here on youtube. I could hear it pretty clearly on my original footage, right after the glock stopped firing, guys were saying, "look at that target...wth is he firing...etc." I love the old smoke wagons. Yeah, they're not as powerful as my more modern stuff, but they're pretty accurate and always draw attention. And because the bullets are so slow moving, they tend to leave gigantic holes in the target...lol
When I had my earcovers on I couldn't tell how booming it sounded. Then when I reviewed the video after I got home I nearly shot coca-cola out of my nose from laughing...
@HooseBinPharteen Seriously, never use smokeless in a gun that's meant for BP only. The pressures generated are dramatically different, and measuring is done completely different; Black Powder is measured by volume, and smokeless is measured by weight.
Also, in a modern cartridge, the blast is contained within the casing and the barrel. In a BP gun, the nipple and bolster is a direct channel to the blast itselt. I think you understand, but if not you can google for more info.
@MiracleKD18 There's a lot of ways to measure it. The question is, why would you want to take that chance? If someone doesn't like the black powder mess, then black powder guns are not for them. Example: 38 special, black powder, 16.5 vol. gr. of Pyrodex P = 11,500 C.U.P Pressure, 777 fps.
Now, same round, 4.9 wt. gr. of Alliant Bullseye = 18,400 C.U.P Pressure, 1,045 fps.
A small fraction of smokeless in a BP only gun is enough to destroy your gun and perhaps kill you or others. Why risk it?
@MiracleKD18 I see. Whew. I'm glad to hear you're not going to try it. The reason I was concerned is, BP guns tend to be constructed of a milder steel, especially the mid-70's CVA models.
Also, when I measure a BP charge for my rifles or revolvers, it's not crucial to be precisely exact; BP is forgiving in that aspect. A couple of grains over isn't going to hurt it. Not so with Smokeless. I always use a precise weight scale and test it 3x. A couple of grains over can damage even a modern gun.
How much did it increase the cleaning process? With my dragoons or my army revolvers, it's a royal pain in the butt. I need to disassemble and clean the entire action about every other range trip, and the barrel, cylinder and hammer every single trip. Then again, I do put a lot of rounds through it during my trips to the range....
@HooseBinPharteen , cleaning is no more an issue than smokeless powder. The problem seems to be most smokless shooters don't like cleaning their guns after a day at the range. The only other difference in cleaning them is you need a different cleaning solution. I use Ballistol and water and a bore snake and a dry soft rag. Unlike your cap and ball pistols you can pull a bore snake or otis rod thru. My Cap n ball revolvers I keep a can of compressed air around to blow out excessive water
@LRooster4Prez I use to tear down my guns and clean them and found it wasn't needed that often. A basic bore and cylinder mopping a light coat of oil seem to work. Even with Black powder cartridges. My cap n ball revolvers and my 1911 is a different story. I continue tearing it down to clean after use. Ask a 1000 shooters what to do after using and you'll get 100o opinions, sorry for the highjacking
@RevengeOfRedBaron They're extremely affordable. A Uberti Dragoon will cost around $300-400 new, or sometimes you can find a used one for as low as $100, but if you do buy a used one -- especially at a low price -- inspect it VERY carefully; there's usually a reason it's so cheap. Make sure all of the action is tight and that the barrel/chambers are clean and not pitted. I'm very anal about keeping my guns clean and greased (they shoot better and last longer if you do), but not everyone is.
I have found that that the 1858 Remington Revolver will do a little over 1000 FPS with black powder & lead ball. With triple 7 powder 1400 FPS with lead ball this gun is no joke
lol the glock sounds like puf puf and then you come whit your big boy an it souns more like BOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!. i would not like to be shoot by the bp gun
At a Cowboy Action shoot, there are guns being fired on several different stages at the same time. But you can always tell when the real stuff is being touched off. Gotta love that "BOOOOOM" as opposed to "BANG"!
@ballygeale1 It wouldn't be my first choice for home defense (not fast enough to load or shoot), but in a 25-50 yard shooting contest I'd pick it over any automatic pistol any day. That's just the way it was designed... 7 1/2 inch barrel, serious twist rate, slow moving projectile, soft lead, lots of powder....the target just tends to disappear :).
That plus it was designed for shooting an enemy at a bit more downrange whereas most gunfights today occur less than 15 yards apart.
@HooseBinPharteen Shotguns are, by far, the best defense weapons. The soft lead projectiles that black powder firearms shoot will seriously f!!! you up. They're just as deadly as JHP.
@RevengeOfRedBaron I don't own a shotgun (yet), but I know even just the sheer intimidation factor of a 1" wide barrel pointing at an intruder's face has GOT to evoke a flight response. :)
@OfCourseImNormal I use 777 now, but back when I filmed this I was experimenting with 30-grain Pyrodex pellets to see if it sped up the reloading time much (it did speed up the process a little, but not enough to make it worth the extra cost, plus I prefer to use 40-grain charges in the Dragoon).
@HooseBinPharteen I'm really surprised that they let BP to be shot there, most indoor ranges have HEPA filters that don't do too well after digesting BP smoke.
@partsproduction I was kinda surprised too, the first time I went there I asked them and they said no problem. They've got a pretty good filtration system. It does get a little smokey if I fire six shots just a couple of seconds apart, but it clears up pretty quickly too. I have a feeling they change the filters pretty often (there's actually quite a few BP shooters that go there, I've met most of them), but the range fee isn't super cheap so they probably still come out way ahead financially.
Yeah I always liked how the dragoon colt makes a manly boom! R-R-R! Seriously,though,they don't call it a "hogleg" for nothing. I got to shoot one like the one used in the movie "True Grit" once. Cool! I can almost see the looks on some ghetto dudes face shootin at ya with a glock,then all of a sudden BOOOM! "WTF was that?"lolz
I know, when I first reviewed the video after I got home, I almost shot my Coca-Cola out of my nose. I wasn't expecting to hear such a sharp contrast.
i've got a glock and a couple of dirt powder hand cannons, this video accurately describes each. one goes off quicker...more expensive...and not nearly as accurate for me as the other, cheaper, more fun, my blackpowder guns.
Hey Hoose, saw your other vids, i didn't think of using a camp stove...should've thought o' that, i've only got three or four o' them in the barn, lot cheaper than a production pot that way too. thanks.
Anytime my friend. Glad you're enjoying my vids. Welcome to my tiny little corner of the net:)
I'm trying to put together some more vids soon, just didn't take enough footage for what I want to do next. I'm working on it though. I gotta get into the habit of toting my camera with me wherever I go.
I'm heading to the range this morning to test an old .45 CVA Colonial pistol I bought from a friend and rebuilt. I may eventually do a video on it too, who knows? Take care! :)
Thanks! It was REALLY funny when people started walking over to find out what was making that sound. It's not a whole lot louder (even though it sounds louder), but it's more booming, much more concusive. The billowing smoke was the fun part. I felt like Captain Blood delivering a broadside to an enemy ship...lol
Me too! It never fails to get the other shooters' attention either. Right after I shot that video, they came over to find out what was making that booming sound... :)
Thanks! Historically speaking, the Colt Dragoon was a long range horse pistol, meant for firing across a battlefield. I've tested it at different distances, it does surprisingly fair at 50 yards, and excellent at 25 yards and it's nearly impossible to miss the mark (as long as the shooter has a steady hand) at 15 yards or less. I'm glad you mentioned loading, I may do a short video on just that specific topic very soon if you're interested. Thanks for watching! :)
"Horse pistol," in the 1840s/50s meant "designed to be carried on horseback." It didn't mean "big enough to kill a horse." That is a 20th and 21st Century misnomer.
whenvaporsvanish 1 month ago
The Colt Dragoon .44 was developed to take down a horse (and therefore his rider), it was the 357 magnum of its time.
newhuskytwenty 1 month ago
@newhuskytwenty Well actually, that's *partly* accurate. It's true that it was the ".357 magnum of it's time", but it was far from an actual magnum and wasn't designed to take down a horse. The reason it was called a "horse pistol" is because the Walker and the Dragoon were so heavy that most soldiers who were issued one carried it in a holster mounted on the saddle of their horse. In spite of what we see on "The Outlaw Josey Wales", very few Dragoon owners actually wore them on their belts.
HooseBinPharteen 1 month ago
@HooseBinPharteen The very name, "Dragoon" tells us what it was meant for: a mounted soldier. If you look at the engraving on the cylinder, the initials "U.S.M.R." are visible, "United States Mounted Rifles", AKA "Dragoons".
HooseBinPharteen 1 month ago
@newhuskytwenty I read that on a book about ancient guns, but how knows the truth? Of course black powder offers low velocity and the only way to improve the stopping power is getting a bigger caliber. In order to take down a horse a .52 caliber would do it better
newhuskytwenty 1 month ago
@newhuskytwenty It's pretty well historically documented. 50-60 grains driving a small 170 grain ball from a short barrel just wouldn't do it unless you got the horse in a lucky spot at close range. The most common calibers were 32, 44, 45, 50, 54 and 58, the last three most commonly were rifle rounds, driving anywhere from 80-140 grains from a 30-34 inch barrel, giving it the most energy and best accuracy possible for the day. But either way, the Dragoon is still one of my favorite weapons. :)
HooseBinPharteen 1 month ago
big ol fucker aint it?
MultiShitkicker11 2 months ago
True the BPs don't measure up to the modern weapons but they are a real BLAST to fire and I realy like your name.
texasdustfart 2 months ago
@texasdustfart Thanks! :)
And I agree; they're really fun to shoot!
HooseBinPharteen 2 months ago
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texasdustfart 2 months ago
Either way you look at it, I wouldnt want to get hit by it. The .22lr will kill you, so a .454 lead ball smashing into you is going to easily do the job.
MrJmak223 2 months ago
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A well done informative Video!
Dragoons are Very Powerful! Using the proven TKO Method of measuring Power, The Walker and Dragoons with the right Powder, like 777, Swiss BP,KIK BP and Black MZ and with the Right Projectile like my New VKV 240 and 255 Grain Bullets are capable of exceeding 357 and 41 Magnum Power with more sectional density and a bigger hole!! Videos demonstrating my bullet are on my channel and Mr. Hovey Smith's Channel.
MrKaido93 3 months ago
shotgun.
end of story.
9mmghosty 3 months ago
I like modern firearms, easy to load and hold more rounds. However, if some druggy rapist kicked in my front door at 2 in the morning and all I had was a 44 cal. cap and ball revolver like the Dragoon I would not feel unarmed. It will still put down a bad guy just as well today as it did 150 years ago.
docwilkey 4 months ago
This is EXACTLY the reason why I prefer black powder revolvers over modern weapons. The projectiles are slower but ALL of the energy is dispersed upon impact.
heartsglory 5 months ago
It's a very accurate weapon. Juste a bit heavy, but the weight is near of the hand.
peaceman859 5 months ago
With a revolver in hand, I feel like Eliot Ness pursuing Al Capone, or Indiana Jones chasing a Nazi tank on horseback, or Phillip Marlowe going down the mean streets of L.A. With a semiauto in hand, I feel like I'm holding a hair dryer.
MNEsharpshooter 6 months ago
pew pew pew BOOM pew pew pew BOOM
LORENSSIOK 6 months ago
I loved that. *GLOCK!* *GLOCK!* , *DRRRRRAAAAAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!*
WhiteTrashSingers 9 months ago 2
until you have to load or fire. very nice.
draaagooooooooooonnnn!
you are dead.
good day.
seriously, black powder vs. smokeless (includes colt 1911).....grow up. you are dead. and silly.
well, silly and dead. pick your order. i win. period.
9mmghosty 3 months ago
@9mmghosty I'm a little lost as to your point.
If it's who would win in a gunfight at 10 yards or less, of course it's the modern handgun. There's a reason they kept making improvements.
However, who would win at 50 yards? That's debatable. In my experience, the dragoon is more likely to hit a human target at 50 yards; they're accurate as hell. If the 1911 actually hit you at 50 yards, then it would probably prevail. But you can't win if you don't hit.
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@9mmghosty However, as I said in the beginning, bp revolvers aren't about gunfights or home defense; they're about going out to the range and having fun. There's nothing silly or wrong with that.
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wow... in the first part of this video i thought it was one of those
"Meet The..." Videos for Team Fortress 2 O.O (Like the heavy intro... Look it it up if you dont know it, its called "meet the heavy")
MrFlashgamereviewer 11 months ago
When you mentioned that black powder firearms dont measure up to modern magnums I felt that it would be prudent to point out that the Walker Colt was the most powerful repeating handgun in the world until 1934 when the .357 magnum was produced. The .357 only realy surpassed the Walker on paper as the larger, heavier bullet would generaly produce better knock down power. So the dragoon realy isnt exactly a slouch in the power department either.
timmytyphoon 1 year ago
@timmytyphoon There's actually a little more to it than that. 1) The average 357 bullet is 158 grains, the average bullet for a .44 walker or a dragoon was 140 grains. Also the 357 round travels well over 1200+ fps and generates over 41,000 lbs of pressure as opposed to the C&B .44, approximately 1,100 fps - a respectible velocity - but only generates about 15,000 lbs of pressure MAX. Not nearly the stopping power of the 357. So, The walker/dragoon = smaller shot, slower speed, less pressure.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen There's also the additional factory that the higher energy, higher velocity .357 round causes considerable system shock to the target and destroys much more tissue than the slower moving BP driven slugs. Civil War soldiers with gunshot wounds tended to die from infection brought on by shattered bones, pieces of clothing traveling into the wound with the bullet, or from the painful amputations on a non-sterile battlefield than from the gunshot itself.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen In reality the Walker/Dragoon is closer to a 1911: fairly low speed bullet that gets the job done. Main difference is the 1911 is faster, easier to reload and has much heavier rounds, thus more effective manstopper. BUT, the walkers and dragoons are far larger and more intimidating and really fun to shoot. :)
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
I'm so getting this gun!
1107984 1 year ago
@1107984 It's impossible to really describe how much fun they are. It's one of those things you just gotta experience first hand :)
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen I've asked around a little bit.. there is just one gun dealer in my contry that sells this kind off weapons and you have to order it from italy (shipment every 2 months).. I'm probably get pietta 1858 model (cca.650 dollars with accesoriess).. it is a plus that this type off weapons dont need gun license!
1107984 1 year ago
I just showed this one to my wife...she said she knew I would've liked to used this on the guy in VA beach that lost our honeymoon reservation! I still remember firing the 1st model dragoon colt "hogleg",& the sound is spot on! God,how I love this one! thanx for the memories,man!
unionrdr 1 year ago
@unionrdr You're welcome!
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
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BP guns are soo cool :)
martysport 1 year ago
BP guns are soo cool :)
martysport 1 year ago
Loved the "Glock, Glock, DRAGOOOON!"
Wintermute01001 1 year ago
from 1:16 onward you can hear the glock guys commenting on the dragoons roar.
CameraGamer 1 year ago
@CameraGamer I was hoping it was audible here on youtube. I could hear it pretty clearly on my original footage, right after the glock stopped firing, guys were saying, "look at that target...wth is he firing...etc." I love the old smoke wagons. Yeah, they're not as powerful as my more modern stuff, but they're pretty accurate and always draw attention. And because the bullets are so slow moving, they tend to leave gigantic holes in the target...lol
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
i love this vid so much , DRAGOON!!!!!!!!!! lol
notregme 1 year ago 2
@notregme LOL Thanks:)
When I had my earcovers on I couldn't tell how booming it sounded. Then when I reviewed the video after I got home I nearly shot coca-cola out of my nose from laughing...
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen lmao!
notregme 1 year ago
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notregme 1 year ago
rofl
glock
glock
DRAGOOOONNN!!!!!
ThePurcy 1 year ago 2
I wonder what happens if you put smokeless powder into an old (pre-1880) firearm, or black powder into a modern (post-1880) firearm.
As far as I know, the smokeless powder is more powerfull thank the weaker black powder, so you need to put less in, etc.
MiracleKD18 1 year ago
@MiracleKD18
BP used in smokeless powder cartridge = gun that needs cleaning; not a big deal.
SP used in BP gun = seriously hurt/dead shooter that needs a doctor/coroner.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen Seriously, never use smokeless in a gun that's meant for BP only. The pressures generated are dramatically different, and measuring is done completely different; Black Powder is measured by volume, and smokeless is measured by weight.
Also, in a modern cartridge, the blast is contained within the casing and the barrel. In a BP gun, the nipple and bolster is a direct channel to the blast itselt. I think you understand, but if not you can google for more info.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen
Ah, I understand.
And what if you put much fewer smokeless powder in a BP gun?
Like, ten times less or something? There must be some way the meausre the power of the two and compare it.
Thanks for the info anyway, I realy apriciate it.
MiracleKD18 1 year ago
@MiracleKD18 There's a lot of ways to measure it. The question is, why would you want to take that chance? If someone doesn't like the black powder mess, then black powder guns are not for them. Example: 38 special, black powder, 16.5 vol. gr. of Pyrodex P = 11,500 C.U.P Pressure, 777 fps.
Now, same round, 4.9 wt. gr. of Alliant Bullseye = 18,400 C.U.P Pressure, 1,045 fps.
A small fraction of smokeless in a BP only gun is enough to destroy your gun and perhaps kill you or others. Why risk it?
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen BTW, that formula is not meant for use.
DON'T USE IT.
It was only to illustrate the tremendous difference between black powder and smokeless powder.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen Sorry if I sounded stern, but you were worrying me a bit. I don't want to see you or others get hurt.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen
No, you don't understand. I'll never try it anyway, cuz I don't have any BP guns and I have no idea on how to make smokeless powder at home. Whatever.
And I meant to put VERY small ammount of smokeless powder into the gun, like less than one-tenth of the ammount.
MiracleKD18 1 year ago
@MiracleKD18 I see. Whew. I'm glad to hear you're not going to try it. The reason I was concerned is, BP guns tend to be constructed of a milder steel, especially the mid-70's CVA models.
Also, when I measure a BP charge for my rifles or revolvers, it's not crucial to be precisely exact; BP is forgiving in that aspect. A couple of grains over isn't going to hurt it. Not so with Smokeless. I always use a precise weight scale and test it 3x. A couple of grains over can damage even a modern gun.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen
Well.
The only gun I own at home is an old Colt M1911 .45 pistol.
Altrough, I'd realy like to experiment with using black powder loads with it.
MiracleKD18 1 year ago
@MiracleKD18 I have shot BP thru my 1911...it was true Darksiders event.
LRooster4Prez 1 year ago
@LRooster4Prez That must've been interesting:)
How much did it increase the cleaning process? With my dragoons or my army revolvers, it's a royal pain in the butt. I need to disassemble and clean the entire action about every other range trip, and the barrel, cylinder and hammer every single trip. Then again, I do put a lot of rounds through it during my trips to the range....
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen , cleaning is no more an issue than smokeless powder. The problem seems to be most smokless shooters don't like cleaning their guns after a day at the range. The only other difference in cleaning them is you need a different cleaning solution. I use Ballistol and water and a bore snake and a dry soft rag. Unlike your cap and ball pistols you can pull a bore snake or otis rod thru. My Cap n ball revolvers I keep a can of compressed air around to blow out excessive water
LRooster4Prez 1 year ago
@LRooster4Prez I use to tear down my guns and clean them and found it wasn't needed that often. A basic bore and cylinder mopping a light coat of oil seem to work. Even with Black powder cartridges. My cap n ball revolvers and my 1911 is a different story. I continue tearing it down to clean after use. Ask a 1000 shooters what to do after using and you'll get 100o opinions, sorry for the highjacking
LRooster4Prez 1 year ago
50 grains? God damn!
I WANT ONE!
RevengeOfRedBaron 1 year ago
@RevengeOfRedBaron They're extremely affordable. A Uberti Dragoon will cost around $300-400 new, or sometimes you can find a used one for as low as $100, but if you do buy a used one -- especially at a low price -- inspect it VERY carefully; there's usually a reason it's so cheap. Make sure all of the action is tight and that the barrel/chambers are clean and not pitted. I'm very anal about keeping my guns clean and greased (they shoot better and last longer if you do), but not everyone is.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
I have found that that the 1858 Remington Revolver will do a little over 1000 FPS with black powder & lead ball. With triple 7 powder 1400 FPS with lead ball this gun is no joke
Xxoo0o0o0ooxX 1 year ago
@Xxoo0o0o0ooxX Yep, I know what you mean.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
lol the glock sounds like puf puf and then you come whit your big boy an it souns more like BOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!. i would not like to be shoot by the bp gun
bomanio1 1 year ago
@bomanio1 Me either! :)
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
At a Cowboy Action shoot, there are guns being fired on several different stages at the same time. But you can always tell when the real stuff is being touched off. Gotta love that "BOOOOOM" as opposed to "BANG"!
BlackPowderPulp 1 year ago
lmao
that sound is awesome
Migs4000 1 year ago
well u hit the target anyway.and i gess it wood kill just as good as a glock
ballygeale1 1 year ago
@ballygeale1 It wouldn't be my first choice for home defense (not fast enough to load or shoot), but in a 25-50 yard shooting contest I'd pick it over any automatic pistol any day. That's just the way it was designed... 7 1/2 inch barrel, serious twist rate, slow moving projectile, soft lead, lots of powder....the target just tends to disappear :).
That plus it was designed for shooting an enemy at a bit more downrange whereas most gunfights today occur less than 15 yards apart.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen Shotguns are, by far, the best defense weapons. The soft lead projectiles that black powder firearms shoot will seriously f!!! you up. They're just as deadly as JHP.
RevengeOfRedBaron 1 year ago
@RevengeOfRedBaron I don't own a shotgun (yet), but I know even just the sheer intimidation factor of a 1" wide barrel pointing at an intruder's face has GOT to evoke a flight response. :)
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
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TerminatorFRA 1 year ago
How many grains were loaded?
OfCourseImNormal 1 year ago
@OfCourseImNormal I use 777 now, but back when I filmed this I was experimenting with 30-grain Pyrodex pellets to see if it sped up the reloading time much (it did speed up the process a little, but not enough to make it worth the extra cost, plus I prefer to use 40-grain charges in the Dragoon).
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
excellent , le 9mm c'est pour les petits slip
patrice6551 1 year ago
@patrice6551 Thank you :)
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
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TerminatorFRA 1 year ago
hey dude I think I know that range, is that jackons arms range in 152 Utah Ave of South San Francisco??
miltonSF 1 year ago
@miltonSF Actually, it's The Gun Room, off of Grant Line Road in Elk Grove.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen I'm really surprised that they let BP to be shot there, most indoor ranges have HEPA filters that don't do too well after digesting BP smoke.
partsproduction 1 year ago
@partsproduction I was kinda surprised too, the first time I went there I asked them and they said no problem. They've got a pretty good filtration system. It does get a little smokey if I fire six shots just a couple of seconds apart, but it clears up pretty quickly too. I have a feeling they change the filters pretty often (there's actually quite a few BP shooters that go there, I've met most of them), but the range fee isn't super cheap so they probably still come out way ahead financially.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
Yeah I always liked how the dragoon colt makes a manly boom! R-R-R! Seriously,though,they don't call it a "hogleg" for nothing. I got to shoot one like the one used in the movie "True Grit" once. Cool! I can almost see the looks on some ghetto dudes face shootin at ya with a glock,then all of a sudden BOOOM! "WTF was that?"lolz
unionrdr 1 year ago
@unionrdr LOL
I know, when I first reviewed the video after I got home, I almost shot my Coca-Cola out of my nose. I wasn't expecting to hear such a sharp contrast.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
glock, glock, DRAGOOOOON!! is the new duck duck Goose!
tombolarage 1 year ago
@tombolarage Hahahaha
I know it's fun....
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
DRAGOOOOON!!!
pspfan68 1 year ago
Nice..............
ShedTech 2 years ago
hahahahaha i wish you used a WALKER hahahahahah i love it.
scooter33333 2 years ago
@scooter33333 LOL
Whenever I use a body target, I love seeing the looks on the other shooters' faces when I retrieve and most of the head is missing... >:)
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
i love the old guns, and deffo more fun to shoot, nice shooting whoever was using the colt, right on the mark.
gixernel 2 years ago
@gixernel Thanks man. That was me shooting the colt. :)
HooseBinPharteen 2 years ago
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TerminatorFRA 2 years ago
LOL it was definitely more precise. That always surprises me how accurate the old BP pistols are.
HooseBinPharteen 2 years ago
Thats a nice COLT. I want a COLT BP pistol.
HunterTom3006 2 years ago
Thanks. It's definitely one of my favorite pistols.
HooseBinPharteen 2 years ago
Black Powder rocks !! Hi from France !!
jeancocha 2 years ago
Hello back!
HooseBinPharteen 2 years ago
COOL VIDEO!!! Blackpowder Guns are FUN to shoot!!
HunterTom3006 2 years ago
They sure are! Thanks for watching! :)
HooseBinPharteen 2 years ago
DRAGOOOOOOON !!!!
I still love this video! It's one of my favorites you've done so far!
Can't wait to fire that beast again!
Kenny
OZBanshee 2 years ago
Okay, but you get to clean it this time. I love shooting the dragoons but they're a real bitch to clean...
I'm selling the 1851 Navy, so if you know anyone who's interested in buying one, let them know I've got one for sale.
HooseBinPharteen 2 years ago
glock.............DRAGOOOOOOON!!!!
Minnexyz 2 years ago
fake, you edited the sound from some naval cannon..
LOL kidding!! it's beautiful!!!
TheHiddenPart 2 years ago
i've got a glock and a couple of dirt powder hand cannons, this video accurately describes each. one goes off quicker...more expensive...and not nearly as accurate for me as the other, cheaper, more fun, my blackpowder guns.
Hey Hoose, saw your other vids, i didn't think of using a camp stove...should've thought o' that, i've only got three or four o' them in the barn, lot cheaper than a production pot that way too. thanks.
cmasailor 3 years ago
Anytime my friend. Glad you're enjoying my vids. Welcome to my tiny little corner of the net:)
I'm trying to put together some more vids soon, just didn't take enough footage for what I want to do next. I'm working on it though. I gotta get into the habit of toting my camera with me wherever I go.
I'm heading to the range this morning to test an old .45 CVA Colonial pistol I bought from a friend and rebuilt. I may eventually do a video on it too, who knows? Take care! :)
HooseBinPharteen 3 years ago
that is way cool
lovshooting 3 years ago
Thanks! It was REALLY funny when people started walking over to find out what was making that sound. It's not a whole lot louder (even though it sounds louder), but it's more booming, much more concusive. The billowing smoke was the fun part. I felt like Captain Blood delivering a broadside to an enemy ship...lol
HooseBinPharteen 3 years ago
lol.. love that sound.
fusionstar916 3 years ago
Me too! It never fails to get the other shooters' attention either. Right after I shot that video, they came over to find out what was making that booming sound... :)
HooseBinPharteen 3 years ago
puts the glock to shame whats the range it can do? love to see how you loaded that beast hehe
ozychap 3 years ago
Thanks! Historically speaking, the Colt Dragoon was a long range horse pistol, meant for firing across a battlefield. I've tested it at different distances, it does surprisingly fair at 50 yards, and excellent at 25 yards and it's nearly impossible to miss the mark (as long as the shooter has a steady hand) at 15 yards or less. I'm glad you mentioned loading, I may do a short video on just that specific topic very soon if you're interested. Thanks for watching! :)
HooseBinPharteen 3 years ago
ok thanks 4 info :) i'll keep an eye out for your next clip
ozychap 3 years ago