Basically, the labels deserve everything they get. They've alienated the vast majority of listeners with their dumbed down, formulaic bullshit to the point where virtually NONE of us listen to the radio anymore. Don't feel bad for them. On a side note, this asshole would probably like to see copyright laws so strict that we can't even borrow a fucking idea from another artist without getting sued. Art should be free for all to expand upon. This guy is a lawyer with a lawyers opinions.Fuck him.
Well if the albums didn't suck ass, maybe more ppl would buy the actual album ;) People who download music for free BUY the stuff they like. MAKE A BETTER (more interesting) PRODUCT. Also your argument about 'monetary incentive' is completely full of shit. If they are doing it for the money then I don't want to hear their shallow 'art' anyway. Musicians should contribute if they truly feel they have something unique to add to the whole not because 'hey look at me me me, I'm talented!'.
When I think of Jazz which is the birth of popular music in America, and I think of how Jazz legends still made names for themselves when Jazz was the in thing and even posthumously are still being bought and discussed today without any massive money system behind them....Comparatively,I also think of the many not so great contemporary "Artists" who have had piles of money put behind them and they become rich and famous even with all the bad music they release because of expensive marketing.
the problem is that for about 20 - 25 years most albums have been utter shit. Independent artists have always focused on putting out an EP of maybe 2 to 4 really good songs.
Bullshit I know bands that have day jobs who still make better music than "signed bands" who sit by the swimming pool snorting cocaine all day....Downloads are hear to stay & I'd rather give something away for free than have to chase a label for years to get a miserable royalty out of it.
I think what Mr. Collins is overlooking is that todays teens and young adults don't care about quality. They steal Lady Gaga and Lil Wayne songs...they can't even steal quality stuff. The idea of what is "quality" has shifted horribly. People won't sit down and listen to Darkness on the Edge of Town and examine the lyrical themes like they did in 1978. They don't care. They want dumb lyrics, computerized singing and the same beat to every song. As a 23 year old, this guy is dead on.
This guy really understands the ebb and flow of what's going on right now. Take Heed people! Compute this in your brains from a business prospective! You can't have good art in our capitalistic America without captial!
Dannyman90 you clearly do not have a clue! How do you think you favourite music was produced? It certainly wasnt for free!! Those small independant labels still need money to produce and market good bands and free downloading is whats killing them!! Why do you think there are now less and less independant labels?! I agree that the internet has taken the control away from major labels. But illegal downloading is ruining the music industry!!
@tara20002 you don't need a label to share your art with the world, nor do you need to pay "protection" money to the government for subjective copyrights; the consumer still determines your economic fate. people have always shared things with each other, why is it criminal if done over the internet? the real problem is the threat of aggression required to stop this natural human behavior. the internet has made many industries obsolete, but has also helped spawn many new ones; this is progress.
There's an assumption with all these music business suits that without their help, artists are unable to make good music. that without their money driven muscle, the "art" of music will die. This is so god damn ass backwards it makes me nauseous... most of my favorite music was produced without major label help and high budget slick production, and as for marketing and promotion, well the industry needs to realize the advent of the internet has pulled that control out of their death grip as well
@dannyman90 Dannyman90 you clearly do not have a clue! How do you think you favourite music was produced? It certainly wasnt for free!! Those small independant labels still need money to produce and market good bands and free downloading is whats killing them!! Why do you think there are now less and less independant labels?! I agree that the internet has taken the control away from major labels. But illegal downloading is ruining the music industry!!
Ask Jack White or Bon Iver or Mumford and Sons how much money they spent on their first albums.
TALENT can shine through very low-budget recordings. The major labels whining about not having a million-dollar budget for the next Britney Spears album... I'm sorry, that's a piss-poor argument! Present me w/ the option of good albums to buy, and I will buy them.
His point about parenting (7:28) is a good one, but that still ultimately comes down to choosing (7:43) from among GOOD QUALITY material.
I am an artist as well, I am a vocalist for a band, and I see people saying that music shouldn't be about making music. This is a business, we are artist but we also need to making a living. The artist need money to live and make music. I'm not saying you have to buy music but at least buy an artist merch, send money to the artist to help them keep making music, JUST DON'T TAKE WITHOUT GIVING BACK! If you really love and respect an artist give them something to work with.
people who say music should be free obviously have no clue how much goes into it...after months (maybe years) of writing, you spend countless of exhausting hours and thousands of dollars sitting in a studio pouring over every second of audio making things perfect, then you spend more money on artwork and duplicationitems then it just gets stolen? imagine spending months at your job then having someone kick you in the balls and steal your already depressing paycheck...
This is true... As someone that records just hip hop music for now. It's still hard. You may not even create the actual instrumental. You may write and record to it and mix it yourself as I do. It's tough even then. I can't even begin to even wonder what bands go through. But yeah people really think its just sitting infront of a mic and performing and thats it. NO!!! It's a lot deeper than that folks. Lots of time and even more money spent investing in ideas or thoughts. #notcheap
Its not about the which songs i like/dislike for me. I buy albums because i like the packaging, inner cover, artwork, cd, listening to them start to finish, and way they look on my cd shelf. It doesnt feel right if you dont buy the whole album
u get what you pay for - if music were "free" the quality would not be very good - who would bother working hard enough to make good music if they are busy making a living other ways!
this video was very informative on why music sounds the way it does, since the artist feel the music will be stolen, so why put in all the time to just get rigged by the public.
lol this guy is completely wrong. I just read an article in the NY times saying the digital music age is over and has stagnated. Clearly with rise in vinyl sales we are moving back to a physical medium, because frankly, people want that authenticity.
Unlike 'stealing', making a copy does not deprive anyone of the product. Otoh, this could mean the end of the professional songwriter. Relentless touring is no way of life for most people.
Yeah thats so true. I buy CD's anyway. I don't download illegally because thats how you get virus's. I'll buy an album off iTunes of its like under 8.99 but I'll normally buy CD's because its cooler when you have a collection library and I just want to pass them down eventually and the younger kids are going to see how much cooler it is to have a CD collection rather than just an iTunes list full of songs.
In reading some of the comments, it appears those commenting are not listening to what he is saying - he is not saying the death of the album is good or bad, he is just stating the facts as to how the industry is changing from how it used to be - all true and correct, for better or for worse. As a lawyer, he is one of the good guys - the guys that try to protect the artists from gettting ripped off!
His argument about the quality of the music dropping if musicians don't earn enough to do it full-time falls flat on its face when you actually listen to most chart music. it's crap. Most recording artsist spend a tiny fraction of their time actually on the music. Many spend the bulk of their time on promotion. Someone writing and recording on the weekend probably devotes more time to their music than the majority of Top Ten artists.
The record labels killed the album at the end of the 90's when they decided they coud have one decent song and the rest could be garbage while still charging full price for it. I remember listening to my uncle's 80's albums and they were packed with hits and I would look at the one I had just bought and wondering why there was only one decent song and why I had just spent $20.00.
i think people will still buy the albums like before, if the artist is someone who people find to be the most 'emotionally investable', like phil collins or kanye west, for instance; if the atrist puts out enough ace tracks in the first place, people will place an emotional investment in the artist, so they 'buy everything' like the whole album. the concern therefore is the 'one or two hits wonders' who only have one or two good songs and thats it. b4 ppl bought the whole album but alas nt now.
this smiley face ass hole and the rest of the record industry screwed themselves A-over price music when 95% of albums only have 2 good songs why pay 15$ when i can get it 4 free idiot and B-commercial music is killing most genres of music so thats where the cookie crumbles
maybe they should have never invented the internet... lol its funny how kids love to download for FREE... its a wonderful life... i think downloading is very cool... FUCK HOLLYWOD...!!!
kind of true.. in my opinion. But albums are still cool and labels should not loose faith in that.. I love waking up Christmas morning in opening a gift! that's the album. Plus I love graphic design and packaging. I produce, I keep hearing how bad the industry is now.. I have had my best year ever and see it going up and up!!
@beatleshead granted but theres so many amazing musicians I've found that I could only download because corperate fatcats don't sell their music at stores! I would love to buy their albums if I could, but they're too underrated and only available by downloading. If I love an artist and a purchase is available, I'll buy it. Hopefully in CD form not just digital but damn the authenticity of music *sigh* how it decays
@beatleshead BULLSHIT.. the Europeaons STOLE AMERICA from the INDIANS now its time for the BIG PayBack... lol download all you can and fuck hollywood GOOD
And there is not mediocre shit now by major artists? What a condescending bastard! As an underground musician, I'm offended. I make more music and better music than Miley Cyrus, Lil' Wayne, or Three Days Grace.
In my opinion music is returning to it's natural form. People have forgotten that music has been around for thousands of years. Sitting around a campfire, orchestra, or walking down a road. It is a universal language. Up until the creation of vinyl. Music was in a way free. In some ways it wasn't but it wasn't an industry. To me the days of becoming wealthy from fame are slowly coming to an end. Suks for pop culture. But we always say you can't make a living from art. Why is this a surprise?
i don't mind paying some for music. especially independent artists and people i believe in, but i usually DON'T WANT a CD. i learn about, listen to and acquire my music at the computer. i've wanted to download things before but it seems the only source has been iTunes and i HATE fucking itunes. once you 'buy' it from iTunes it often won't even play in many other players. i hate their proprietary bullshit. now finally some good stores are coming around that are easy and friendly and use paypal!
@caseyforever - Download Audacity. Upload the MP3 to the Audacity editing platform and convert it and save as wav. or ogg. or any other file type to bypass the player issue. Worked for me.
The Major labels where not as bad as everyone made them out to be. They funded lots of acts to tour. Do you know how hard it is tour now??? I don't work for a label, but I can tell you this...It was a lot easier years ago pre-internet take off.
I only pay money for underground artist which is all I listen to. Tell the mainstream record companies to get some actually talented people and stop trying to sell us the image.
@mentalholocaust LOVE your comment and couldn't agree more. We continue to write what we want and I don't think I'd ever sign with a major / mainstream label. Image is everything to them and that makes no sense...musicians aren't exactly fashion models...well most anyhow!
I guess the majors will realize soon, those still breathing, that they'll have to turn into booking agencies, merchandisers, advertising agencies and all things related to music and money. The first major to partner up with all those different aspects could stand up as a big winner very soon. I can even imagine it like in the old days when signed artists would do showcases for their label to promote the music. And an entire tour might be like that.
This guy talking and everyone in the comments are forgetting the much bigger source of income for artists - live concerts. It's pretty hard to steal a concert.
Hmm why do people keep assuming that the Record Industry and the Music Industry are the same thing? The Record Industry is an always shrinking part of the Music Industry. In the future music will be free to consume and share while they make live shows and others make money from using music hosting websites and advertisement. The futures already happening. There just scared of losing there power, which they will lose. More Artists and live shows are happening than ever. Music Industry is growing
I say go indie and let the majors die. If your making good money wit a small label, why tie youself up with a 360 deal. Thats bullshit!! And for those folks that have a unique sound, don't fall for the money. The majors only going to keep long enough to brake your shit down and find some 15 year old kid to push your shit.
@Teriyaki32186 ure so right also the majors control the radio and play a HUGE part in dictating whats being played so let the majors die and go completly indie.
yes exactly, the radio is full of shit ass music, its full of "catchy", repetitive music, because it get into people's heads, and so after they've played those songs so many times in a day, people will want them, either to buy, or for free.....because its stuck in their head, basically a form of brainwashing.
I agree with this but problem I see with the music industry now is lack of diversity. I personally haven't listened to the radio in well over 6 months now. I agree that the Internet has opened a lot of doors but nobody seems to be taking advantage of it. Record labels are still to busy suing people and not coming up with new ideas. It going to be up to the rest of us to bring music into the 21 century or watch it sink like the Titanic.
If what I just posted (labels selling music to a free download site online that profits from advertising) ends up happening, though, it still won't help the starving artist out in the street because the labels are still going to cater to these fucking stupid teenage limp cocks who have no idea what music is all about. However, that idea will end this whole "free download" bullshit, if people ever decide to go with it. In the future there will be two distict camps: sell-outs and artists/bums.
Why doesn't the record label just sell the material to some kind of "listening kiosk" online? The label makes an income from the sale and the virtual "listening kisok" make money from advertising, everyone's happy. Even downloads could be free then, and everyone's fucking happy! Advertisers get business from the online promotion, and people could download stuff from the site onto their own CDs for no cost. What the fuck? It's so easy.
Unless the parents don't give the kids money to buy stupid fucking garbage, there will cease to be any good music within the industry, and that already happened in the mid-nineties, a near-perfect alignment to the death of Kurt Cobain.
In the future, true musicians will be classified as bums working on the Atlantic City boardwalk next to a donation box. That's where music began, and that's where music shall end. It's been a nice ride 1930-1990, but it'll never be the same again. :'(
Here's the deal, the era of great popular music is dead. Why? There's still great artists on the street, playing excellent music. Are they signed to a decent record label? Are they promoted at all? No. Here's why, the industry caters to those who fit a particular image that attracts the most income. In the case of alleged "music," this would be teenyboppers, 12-year-old girls whose parents let them buy garbage. Is this what parents want for their kids? A mediocre role model?
People lose money "on all different levels." I illegally download music by Sublime, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and the likes. The vast majority of the artists I listen to are dead. If I buy it, who gets the money? That's one thing that's worth looking into. Then, what about The Doors, where Morrison is dead, but the other three are still alive and they were all equal parts? Brad Nowell of Sublime and Kurt Cobain of Nirvana were 90% of the music, so I should only pay 10%, right?
its stupid what the riaa do, if yur gonna fine them fine them for how much they took 10,000 makes it a little too obvious that they are money grabbing whores, which is horrible for PR
Not ever artist is sign to a major label. There are independent artist and movie makers being victims of illegal downloading as well and we are tired of it. I agree with this video something needs to be done.
This man doesn't cover the fact that there is more to money that the RIAA craves. The RIAA craves control over its artists and loves to strip them of creative control.
The decline of sales for major label music is probably the best thing to happen to music for a long time. Eventually, unless the majors go broke, they will realize that if the quality of the music it self improves, the mainstream music that is, it might sell better. People put their money where their love is.
@TheAthenicus Well I can't really be the judge of that, I hear more illegal music on YouTube than legal music anywhere else. Yet Lady Gaga sold 15 million downloads last year I heard, so I wonder why they are complaining all the time.
i do agree that the purchasing of single songs has killed music as the music itself has been cheapened, but the whole idea about piracy i dont agree with. piracy is a byproduct of the single-song selling. look at Radiohead, a band that truly cares about their music. they gave their music to download for free for an entire month.
piracy isnt killing music, its the crappy music itself being signed along with the death of the album.
The internet is great for the state of the musical comunity. For the underground bands anyway, cause people all over the world can hear our music. If being rich is what you want then sorry, it's rough these days, but if you want your music heard, well then it's easier and better than ever
I love how to people in the music industry, and to many "artists" these days, the answer of "Actually bother making a good album" doesn't occur to them.
@wedrinkmountaindew You asshole, he just explained that they go after teenagers and college students to communicate to the younger generations the principle of what illegal downloading really is...STEALING. He also just explained that the money comes out of the parents' pockets in such cases. Did you even watch this interview? Or are you just an angry hippie who wants everything for nothing.
@Varoom68 I agree with you only partly, I'd say, music should be free... with a direct way for true fans to directly support the artists, throught donations and buying special edition copies on physical media.
@Varoom68 Do you think iconic artists would've made all the music they made had they been in a position where they had to work maybe 2 or 3 jobs at a time while still having to make the music? Thats unrealistic. If you're going to make something great you have to put all your time and energy into it. The Beatles would've never dropped the quality they had if John and Paul had to work their delivery jobs. Hendrix wouldn't have made classics if he had to work as a janitor. #seewhatimsaying ???
What a crock of BULLS@*$T. Like music fans are just a bunch of heathens who don't appreciate art and don't support the artist we like. . WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE FREE!! We just want to pay for the music NOT the packaging, not the extra padding that goes to some jack A## who doesn't know a damn thing about music. I have no problem paying for music but when I pay for it, I want that music to be MINE. DRM has got to go.....I have solved this problem. I have a new idea for the next social net
lol the recording thing what you can write music down it doesnt have to be written in a recording studio plus just give the music away for free on the bands website if its good you will sell concert tickets. thats were the money is fuck the music labels they dont need the cash
Writing and recording music should be a labour of love, that's how great songs are written, making money should be a by product. Gatekeepers are still helpful in the industry to filter out the noise but the power has shifted to the fans and what they want, they are becoming their own gatekeepers not some fat cat suit behind a desk in a dinosaur record label or radio station.
People are discovering music for themselves with the help of sites like Last FM and Pandora. Be indie or be toast.
Only a sucker would pay for a song from I-tunes.Audio compression was only invented because in the 90s the average hard drive size was only about 500mb.Since then storage capacity of hard drives and portable players has increased more than a thousand fold yet still we are listening to music and PAYING for music in crappy quality MP3 and AAC
labels screwed themselves by discontinuing the single format, forcing customers buy the whole CD. Then they promoted Crap CDs with one good song, leaving customers disappointed and frustrated. Then they refused to accept ALL open product, forcing the retailers to take a loss if the CD sucked and the customer didn't want it. It cost less to print a CD then a cass., but CDs were twice the price at retail? in 1995 there were 10k chain record stores in the US, now there are approx. 500. Hmm! GREEDY!
the fuck is this asshole talking about? They only want to promote certain artists anyway, those that bleach their skin and those that wear lace wigs, there is plenty of good music on myspace, especially independents, what he means is that, i am listening to the radio everyday and there is nothing but GARBAGE on it, and I don't want to buy this CRAP, its all about taking off your clothes and putting a wig on your head, hey fag, eat ass biatch! Thats what we myspace fans think of you, hoe.
This is so sad. I can't believe this guy is so stupid. Copying a file is fundamentally different than shoplifting. When you shoplift an item, the item doesn't remain behind for someone else to pay for it.
The future will be a $5-$10 per month fee added at the ISP level. Users can opt out of the fee, but risk being sued for copyright infringement.
Come on RIAA get your Tony Soprano on. Shake down the ISPs for that money. You guys have been acting like a bunch of pussy's lately.
thats exactly what have happened in what whe call 3d world where they dont sell cd but pirated ones for 1 dolar or less when the original used to cost 12 or more, and i dont judge them for that either because they need entertainment just because they work too, so in other words all the entertainment industries will be going down, and the reason why movies industry havent suffered a big blow as the music did, is because of the size of the files to share.
ok now the funny thing about this is how many of you are artists?, it has been more than two years since this video has been uploaded, and i see only 7 comments including mine, now funny thing is how do you guys expect people to be reasonable about not stealing usic when the world economies are going down, slowly but steady? the industry is going down because the economy is going down and i dont judge somebody that has no money to buy something unnecesary as music, continue up.
He makes a good point at 3:34. If musicians can't sell music anymore, they will all be amateurs---it will be very hard to be a pro musician, so the world will be full of amateur music, which just won't be as high quality because it's much harder to excel at something when you only have bits and pieces of spare time to do it because you have to have another kind of job to make a living.
It's true man, you can't prefect your craft if you have to work on a building site everyday. I've tried it.. doesn't work. When you buy music you're buying something you like, like buying yourself some new ear-rings. The whole digital thing is hopefully gonna bring down the price of this thing we like so we can continue to enjoy buying it without having to break the bank or consider "stealing it." If someone downloads my music for free, i consider that as stealing from me, no doubt.
I agree, I think that the music industry should put their executive brains together and come up with a new business model, they have been forced to and need to wake up and smell the coffee. I'd like to see a new law concerning uploading music and movies. We should definitely pay something and royalties between labels & artists should be 50/50 for the small amount they will get. BRING BACK VINYL I SAY!!!!
When every single song on an album is worth having, I will buy the full album.
I did it with Weezer's Red Album. I did it with Poets of the Fall's discography: the more I heard, the more I liked it. Eventually it just got easier to buy the whole damn thing.
Artists can't get away with padding their one good song with a whole lot of throw-away stuff and expect to sell a record. We're onto you, you talentless hacks.
I, as a musician, have no sympathy for the whiner baby major 4 record companies, if they can't change their business model to fit in with the digital age, too bad, other labels will! it's cheaper every day to produce recordings, I have a multitrack digital recorder in my home computer and mp3's cost nothing to reproduce, a cd cost $1 a piece for 1000, how much for a million? and they charge $15, WTF? let them find someplace else to fund their coke habit besides musicians and their fans
CasualDaveDotCom, your forgot the millions they spend on marketing the record. It takes at least 1 million to break an artist national to get them on nation radio and nation TV. As much as people talk about social sites like Myspace, Facebook, and Youtube. They really don't measure at all when it comes to exposure. U have been on Youtube over a year. You have 217 subs that's how hard it is get people to know about you and your music.
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Basically, the labels deserve everything they get. They've alienated the vast majority of listeners with their dumbed down, formulaic bullshit to the point where virtually NONE of us listen to the radio anymore. Don't feel bad for them. On a side note, this asshole would probably like to see copyright laws so strict that we can't even borrow a fucking idea from another artist without getting sued. Art should be free for all to expand upon. This guy is a lawyer with a lawyers opinions.Fuck him.
mattydigs 2 weeks ago
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mattydigs 2 weeks ago
Well if the albums didn't suck ass, maybe more ppl would buy the actual album ;) People who download music for free BUY the stuff they like. MAKE A BETTER (more interesting) PRODUCT. Also your argument about 'monetary incentive' is completely full of shit. If they are doing it for the money then I don't want to hear their shallow 'art' anyway. Musicians should contribute if they truly feel they have something unique to add to the whole not because 'hey look at me me me, I'm talented!'.
mattydigs 2 weeks ago
fuck the law
metalkommunisten 2 weeks ago
When I think of Jazz which is the birth of popular music in America, and I think of how Jazz legends still made names for themselves when Jazz was the in thing and even posthumously are still being bought and discussed today without any massive money system behind them....Comparatively,I also think of the many not so great contemporary "Artists" who have had piles of money put behind them and they become rich and famous even with all the bad music they release because of expensive marketing.
susuemikado 4 weeks ago
the problem is that for about 20 - 25 years most albums have been utter shit. Independent artists have always focused on putting out an EP of maybe 2 to 4 really good songs.
mwells219 3 months ago
Bullshit I know bands that have day jobs who still make better music than "signed bands" who sit by the swimming pool snorting cocaine all day....Downloads are hear to stay & I'd rather give something away for free than have to chase a label for years to get a miserable royalty out of it.
steeltormentorband 6 months ago
@steeltormentorband
Who wants a day job? Band want to be free like Motley Crue.
brightlights456X 1 month ago
I think what Mr. Collins is overlooking is that todays teens and young adults don't care about quality. They steal Lady Gaga and Lil Wayne songs...they can't even steal quality stuff. The idea of what is "quality" has shifted horribly. People won't sit down and listen to Darkness on the Edge of Town and examine the lyrical themes like they did in 1978. They don't care. They want dumb lyrics, computerized singing and the same beat to every song. As a 23 year old, this guy is dead on.
clydebarrow34 7 months ago
i'm ashamed to say that today's music is the music my generation listened to lol
TheMeekgurl 7 months ago
This guy really understands the ebb and flow of what's going on right now. Take Heed people! Compute this in your brains from a business prospective! You can't have good art in our capitalistic America without captial!
helium3fuel 7 months ago
Dannyman90 you clearly do not have a clue! How do you think you favourite music was produced? It certainly wasnt for free!! Those small independant labels still need money to produce and market good bands and free downloading is whats killing them!! Why do you think there are now less and less independant labels?! I agree that the internet has taken the control away from major labels. But illegal downloading is ruining the music industry!!
tara20002 9 months ago
@tara20002 you don't need a label to share your art with the world, nor do you need to pay "protection" money to the government for subjective copyrights; the consumer still determines your economic fate. people have always shared things with each other, why is it criminal if done over the internet? the real problem is the threat of aggression required to stop this natural human behavior. the internet has made many industries obsolete, but has also helped spawn many new ones; this is progress.
umbilicaltapeworm 9 months ago
There's an assumption with all these music business suits that without their help, artists are unable to make good music. that without their money driven muscle, the "art" of music will die. This is so god damn ass backwards it makes me nauseous... most of my favorite music was produced without major label help and high budget slick production, and as for marketing and promotion, well the industry needs to realize the advent of the internet has pulled that control out of their death grip as well
dannyman90 9 months ago
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@dannyman90 Dannyman90 you clearly do not have a clue! How do you think you favourite music was produced? It certainly wasnt for free!! Those small independant labels still need money to produce and market good bands and free downloading is whats killing them!! Why do you think there are now less and less independant labels?! I agree that the internet has taken the control away from major labels. But illegal downloading is ruining the music industry!!
tara20002 9 months ago
forget paying for music. artists, including myself, will have to find another way to make a living
104songs 9 months ago
Ask Jack White or Bon Iver or Mumford and Sons how much money they spent on their first albums.
TALENT can shine through very low-budget recordings. The major labels whining about not having a million-dollar budget for the next Britney Spears album... I'm sorry, that's a piss-poor argument! Present me w/ the option of good albums to buy, and I will buy them.
His point about parenting (7:28) is a good one, but that still ultimately comes down to choosing (7:43) from among GOOD QUALITY material.
yobhsiFehT 10 months ago
I am an artist as well, I am a vocalist for a band, and I see people saying that music shouldn't be about making music. This is a business, we are artist but we also need to making a living. The artist need money to live and make music. I'm not saying you have to buy music but at least buy an artist merch, send money to the artist to help them keep making music, JUST DON'T TAKE WITHOUT GIVING BACK! If you really love and respect an artist give them something to work with.
BrendanFrey 10 months ago
people who say music should be free obviously have no clue how much goes into it...after months (maybe years) of writing, you spend countless of exhausting hours and thousands of dollars sitting in a studio pouring over every second of audio making things perfect, then you spend more money on artwork and duplicationitems then it just gets stolen? imagine spending months at your job then having someone kick you in the balls and steal your already depressing paycheck...
manifestgtr 11 months ago
@manifestgtr
This is true... As someone that records just hip hop music for now. It's still hard. You may not even create the actual instrumental. You may write and record to it and mix it yourself as I do. It's tough even then. I can't even begin to even wonder what bands go through. But yeah people really think its just sitting infront of a mic and performing and thats it. NO!!! It's a lot deeper than that folks. Lots of time and even more money spent investing in ideas or thoughts. #notcheap
Caeolian87 11 months ago
Its not about the which songs i like/dislike for me. I buy albums because i like the packaging, inner cover, artwork, cd, listening to them start to finish, and way they look on my cd shelf. It doesnt feel right if you dont buy the whole album
satansodyssey 11 months ago
@satansodyssey I'm the same way.
DeadEndJobProduction 2 weeks ago
u get what you pay for - if music were "free" the quality would not be very good - who would bother working hard enough to make good music if they are busy making a living other ways!
beatleshead 11 months ago
this video was very informative on why music sounds the way it does, since the artist feel the music will be stolen, so why put in all the time to just get rigged by the public.
Wordlaw12 1 year ago
lol this guy is completely wrong. I just read an article in the NY times saying the digital music age is over and has stagnated. Clearly with rise in vinyl sales we are moving back to a physical medium, because frankly, people want that authenticity.
1kydde2 1 year ago
@1kydde2 I sincerely hope so.
Ichisokeno 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The age of the no talent ass clown
Adrianrulz 1 year ago
He's right, and he's wrong.
Unlike 'stealing', making a copy does not deprive anyone of the product. Otoh, this could mean the end of the professional songwriter. Relentless touring is no way of life for most people.
Andybaby 1 year ago
Yeah thats so true. I buy CD's anyway. I don't download illegally because thats how you get virus's. I'll buy an album off iTunes of its like under 8.99 but I'll normally buy CD's because its cooler when you have a collection library and I just want to pass them down eventually and the younger kids are going to see how much cooler it is to have a CD collection rather than just an iTunes list full of songs.
DawnPatroler 1 year ago 2
Hmmm... I always buy the album. You're not hearing the whole piece with one song.
Jayoung1000 1 year ago
In reading some of the comments, it appears those commenting are not listening to what he is saying - he is not saying the death of the album is good or bad, he is just stating the facts as to how the industry is changing from how it used to be - all true and correct, for better or for worse. As a lawyer, he is one of the good guys - the guys that try to protect the artists from gettting ripped off!
beatleshead 1 year ago
@beatleshead lawyers are NEVER good guys.
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
@JohnF30Music
hmmm, u must have had a bad experience - the lawyers I work with are amazing!
beatleshead 1 year ago
Spread the word...GENERATION Y, ARE ROCK & ROLL'S NEW MUSICAL MESSIAHS. ROCKROLLANDWRITEdotCOM
JaggerJuliette 1 year ago
I think my bottom just fell out...
thefogster61 1 year ago
His argument about the quality of the music dropping if musicians don't earn enough to do it full-time falls flat on its face when you actually listen to most chart music. it's crap. Most recording artsist spend a tiny fraction of their time actually on the music. Many spend the bulk of their time on promotion. Someone writing and recording on the weekend probably devotes more time to their music than the majority of Top Ten artists.
parlezuml 1 year ago
The record labels killed the album at the end of the 90's when they decided they coud have one decent song and the rest could be garbage while still charging full price for it. I remember listening to my uncle's 80's albums and they were packed with hits and I would look at the one I had just bought and wondering why there was only one decent song and why I had just spent $20.00.
Styphelus 1 year ago
i think people will still buy the albums like before, if the artist is someone who people find to be the most 'emotionally investable', like phil collins or kanye west, for instance; if the atrist puts out enough ace tracks in the first place, people will place an emotional investment in the artist, so they 'buy everything' like the whole album. the concern therefore is the 'one or two hits wonders' who only have one or two good songs and thats it. b4 ppl bought the whole album but alas nt now.
redpillow100 1 year ago
this smiley face ass hole and the rest of the record industry screwed themselves A-over price music when 95% of albums only have 2 good songs why pay 15$ when i can get it 4 free idiot and B-commercial music is killing most genres of music so thats where the cookie crumbles
MrSanatra 1 year ago
maybe they should have never invented the internet... lol its funny how kids love to download for FREE... its a wonderful life... i think downloading is very cool... FUCK HOLLYWOD...!!!
ENEMENCIO123VISION 1 year ago
if cds do die im gonna be sad because i wanna be in a glam/sleaze band but with death of cds itll be harder to get the money to distrubute your music
igot2wordsuckit 1 year ago
kind of true.. in my opinion. But albums are still cool and labels should not loose faith in that.. I love waking up Christmas morning in opening a gift! that's the album. Plus I love graphic design and packaging. I produce, I keep hearing how bad the industry is now.. I have had my best year ever and see it going up and up!!
ReadDoug 1 year ago
"the artist with the real value"? please, so miley cyrus is good because they spend millions on her
dont think so buddy
stitchmorg 1 year ago
@stitchmorg Spread the word...GENERATION Y, ARE ROCK & ROLL'S NEW MUSICAL MESSIAHS. ROCKROLLANDWRITEdotCOM.
JaggerJuliette 1 year ago
IF YOU DO NOT PAY FOR MUSIC YOU ARE STEALING, YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND VIOLATING THE COPYRIGHTS OF THE CREATORS - YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!
beatleshead 1 year ago
@beatleshead granted but theres so many amazing musicians I've found that I could only download because corperate fatcats don't sell their music at stores! I would love to buy their albums if I could, but they're too underrated and only available by downloading. If I love an artist and a purchase is available, I'll buy it. Hopefully in CD form not just digital but damn the authenticity of music *sigh* how it decays
ShadowCrowX 1 year ago
@beatleshead BULLSHIT.. the Europeaons STOLE AMERICA from the INDIANS now its time for the BIG PayBack... lol download all you can and fuck hollywood GOOD
ENEMENCIO123VISION 1 year ago
And there is not mediocre shit now by major artists? What a condescending bastard! As an underground musician, I'm offended. I make more music and better music than Miley Cyrus, Lil' Wayne, or Three Days Grace.
floydclaptonblues 1 year ago
@floydclaptonblues You do? Says who? And you're not signed to a major label because you'd rather "keep it real"?
dwemmy 1 year ago
In my opinion music is returning to it's natural form. People have forgotten that music has been around for thousands of years. Sitting around a campfire, orchestra, or walking down a road. It is a universal language. Up until the creation of vinyl. Music was in a way free. In some ways it wasn't but it wasn't an industry. To me the days of becoming wealthy from fame are slowly coming to an end. Suks for pop culture. But we always say you can't make a living from art. Why is this a surprise?
realommedia 1 year ago
i don't mind paying some for music. especially independent artists and people i believe in, but i usually DON'T WANT a CD. i learn about, listen to and acquire my music at the computer. i've wanted to download things before but it seems the only source has been iTunes and i HATE fucking itunes. once you 'buy' it from iTunes it often won't even play in many other players. i hate their proprietary bullshit. now finally some good stores are coming around that are easy and friendly and use paypal!
caseyforever 1 year ago 2
@caseyforever - Download Audacity. Upload the MP3 to the Audacity editing platform and convert it and save as wav. or ogg. or any other file type to bypass the player issue. Worked for me.
floydclaptonblues 1 year ago
The Major labels where not as bad as everyone made them out to be. They funded lots of acts to tour. Do you know how hard it is tour now??? I don't work for a label, but I can tell you this...It was a lot easier years ago pre-internet take off.
1TonyPuleo 1 year ago
I only pay money for underground artist which is all I listen to. Tell the mainstream record companies to get some actually talented people and stop trying to sell us the image.
mentalholocaust 1 year ago 11
@mentalholocaust LOVE your comment and couldn't agree more. We continue to write what we want and I don't think I'd ever sign with a major / mainstream label. Image is everything to them and that makes no sense...musicians aren't exactly fashion models...well most anyhow!
dreamsofreasonmusic 2 weeks ago
wow who cares if people download illegaly? metallica and michael jackson made trillions already, stop the greed
Firebirrd85 1 year ago
I guess the majors will realize soon, those still breathing, that they'll have to turn into booking agencies, merchandisers, advertising agencies and all things related to music and money. The first major to partner up with all those different aspects could stand up as a big winner very soon. I can even imagine it like in the old days when signed artists would do showcases for their label to promote the music. And an entire tour might be like that.
HolliValsMusic 1 year ago
i swear if vinyl was out again I would buy it!
nunurox 1 year ago
@nunurox You can buy loads of releases on vinyl in different online shops AND a very few actual shops.
HolliValsMusic 1 year ago
@HolliValsMusic I know I do buy them but they are all used and the ones online ARE WAY OVER PRICED.
nunurox 1 year ago
This guy talking and everyone in the comments are forgetting the much bigger source of income for artists - live concerts. It's pretty hard to steal a concert.
EyeMonniker 1 year ago
Hmm why do people keep assuming that the Record Industry and the Music Industry are the same thing? The Record Industry is an always shrinking part of the Music Industry. In the future music will be free to consume and share while they make live shows and others make money from using music hosting websites and advertisement. The futures already happening. There just scared of losing there power, which they will lose. More Artists and live shows are happening than ever. Music Industry is growing
PhoenixMaster00 1 year ago
I say go indie and let the majors die. If your making good money wit a small label, why tie youself up with a 360 deal. Thats bullshit!! And for those folks that have a unique sound, don't fall for the money. The majors only going to keep long enough to brake your shit down and find some 15 year old kid to push your shit.
Teriyaki32186 1 year ago 3
@Teriyaki32186 ure so right also the majors control the radio and play a HUGE part in dictating whats being played so let the majors die and go completly indie.
tlb31m 1 year ago
yes exactly, the radio is full of shit ass music, its full of "catchy", repetitive music, because it get into people's heads, and so after they've played those songs so many times in a day, people will want them, either to buy, or for free.....because its stuck in their head, basically a form of brainwashing.
djrjofficial 1 year ago
I agree with this but problem I see with the music industry now is lack of diversity. I personally haven't listened to the radio in well over 6 months now. I agree that the Internet has opened a lot of doors but nobody seems to be taking advantage of it. Record labels are still to busy suing people and not coming up with new ideas. It going to be up to the rest of us to bring music into the 21 century or watch it sink like the Titanic.
BlazinNSoul 1 year ago 5
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djrjofficial 1 year ago
If what I just posted (labels selling music to a free download site online that profits from advertising) ends up happening, though, it still won't help the starving artist out in the street because the labels are still going to cater to these fucking stupid teenage limp cocks who have no idea what music is all about. However, that idea will end this whole "free download" bullshit, if people ever decide to go with it. In the future there will be two distict camps: sell-outs and artists/bums.
mussman717word 1 year ago
Why doesn't the record label just sell the material to some kind of "listening kiosk" online? The label makes an income from the sale and the virtual "listening kisok" make money from advertising, everyone's happy. Even downloads could be free then, and everyone's fucking happy! Advertisers get business from the online promotion, and people could download stuff from the site onto their own CDs for no cost. What the fuck? It's so easy.
mussman717word 1 year ago
can we say myspace and youtube?
mrrap4food 1 year ago
Unless the parents don't give the kids money to buy stupid fucking garbage, there will cease to be any good music within the industry, and that already happened in the mid-nineties, a near-perfect alignment to the death of Kurt Cobain.
In the future, true musicians will be classified as bums working on the Atlantic City boardwalk next to a donation box. That's where music began, and that's where music shall end. It's been a nice ride 1930-1990, but it'll never be the same again. :'(
mussman717word 1 year ago
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djrjofficial 1 year ago
Here's the deal, the era of great popular music is dead. Why? There's still great artists on the street, playing excellent music. Are they signed to a decent record label? Are they promoted at all? No. Here's why, the industry caters to those who fit a particular image that attracts the most income. In the case of alleged "music," this would be teenyboppers, 12-year-old girls whose parents let them buy garbage. Is this what parents want for their kids? A mediocre role model?
mussman717word 1 year ago
People lose money "on all different levels." I illegally download music by Sublime, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and the likes. The vast majority of the artists I listen to are dead. If I buy it, who gets the money? That's one thing that's worth looking into. Then, what about The Doors, where Morrison is dead, but the other three are still alive and they were all equal parts? Brad Nowell of Sublime and Kurt Cobain of Nirvana were 90% of the music, so I should only pay 10%, right?
mussman717word 1 year ago
its stupid what the riaa do, if yur gonna fine them fine them for how much they took 10,000 makes it a little too obvious that they are money grabbing whores, which is horrible for PR
flipperboy 2 years ago
ill have more but shittier choices? i get shitty choices now! AND MAJORITY COME FROM BIG TIME LABELS!!!
flipperboy 2 years ago 3
EXELLENT POINT WELL TAKEN SIR!
garlandgay 2 years ago
Not ever artist is sign to a major label. There are independent artist and movie makers being victims of illegal downloading as well and we are tired of it. I agree with this video something needs to be done.
Tye Banks
officialTyeBanks 2 years ago
This man doesn't cover the fact that there is more to money that the RIAA craves. The RIAA craves control over its artists and loves to strip them of creative control.
AntiMTVMovement 2 years ago 4
The decline of sales for major label music is probably the best thing to happen to music for a long time. Eventually, unless the majors go broke, they will realize that if the quality of the music it self improves, the mainstream music that is, it might sell better. People put their money where their love is.
HolliValsMusic 2 years ago 5
You are so on point!
garlandgay 2 years ago
@HolliValsMusic I recently uninstall bittorrent, am I clean?
TheAthenicus 1 year ago
@TheAthenicus Well I can't really be the judge of that, I hear more illegal music on YouTube than legal music anywhere else. Yet Lady Gaga sold 15 million downloads last year I heard, so I wonder why they are complaining all the time.
HolliValsMusic 1 year ago
@HolliValsMusic Where are you getting this information? Don't believe any shit about how much an artist sold on the Internet...
TheAthenicus 1 year ago
Dinosaurs Will Die
ongagapepe 2 years ago 3
i do agree that the purchasing of single songs has killed music as the music itself has been cheapened, but the whole idea about piracy i dont agree with. piracy is a byproduct of the single-song selling. look at Radiohead, a band that truly cares about their music. they gave their music to download for free for an entire month.
piracy isnt killing music, its the crappy music itself being signed along with the death of the album.
knoxrox167 2 years ago 4
The internet is great for the state of the musical comunity. For the underground bands anyway, cause people all over the world can hear our music. If being rich is what you want then sorry, it's rough these days, but if you want your music heard, well then it's easier and better than ever
Musixux 2 years ago 2
Go Independent That's The Answer
Record companies are pimps the artist is the whore
icecoldcity 2 years ago
I love how to people in the music industry, and to many "artists" these days, the answer of "Actually bother making a good album" doesn't occur to them.
ProjectBurncan 2 years ago 4
grown men living off the pocket money of little kids...dont you just love it
wedrinkmountaindew 2 years ago 17
@wedrinkmountaindew So does the candy man, but he still mixes it with joy and makes the world taste good.
moonscore 1 year ago
@wedrinkmountaindew You asshole, he just explained that they go after teenagers and college students to communicate to the younger generations the principle of what illegal downloading really is...STEALING. He also just explained that the money comes out of the parents' pockets in such cases. Did you even watch this interview? Or are you just an angry hippie who wants everything for nothing.
TheJoker3494 1 year ago
@TheJoker3494 its a bit too late for that now. They've gone after downloaders and uploaders and "made examples" of them.
Thing is there are more people illegally downloading now then before. It cant be stopped.
ltarmenia4ever 1 year ago
@wedrinkmountaindew
lol
Wordlaw12 1 year ago
why not just MAKE A GOOD ALBUM retard
PrinceDimeXI 2 years ago 21
@PrinceDimeXI Spread the word...GENERATION Y, ARE ROCK & ROLL'S NEW MUSICAL MESSIAHS. ROCKROLLANDWRITEdotCOM
JaggerJuliette 1 year ago
@PrinceDimeXI Music should be free. No money made from it. And no company's making money from it.
Varoom68 1 year ago
@Varoom68 I agree with you only partly, I'd say, music should be free... with a direct way for true fans to directly support the artists, throught donations and buying special edition copies on physical media.
but yeah the lowly mp3's should be free.
OBSysteme 11 months ago
@Varoom68 Do you think iconic artists would've made all the music they made had they been in a position where they had to work maybe 2 or 3 jobs at a time while still having to make the music? Thats unrealistic. If you're going to make something great you have to put all your time and energy into it. The Beatles would've never dropped the quality they had if John and Paul had to work their delivery jobs. Hendrix wouldn't have made classics if he had to work as a janitor. #seewhatimsaying ???
Caeolian87 11 months ago
What a crock of BULLS@*$T. Like music fans are just a bunch of heathens who don't appreciate art and don't support the artist we like. . WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE FREE!! We just want to pay for the music NOT the packaging, not the extra padding that goes to some jack A## who doesn't know a damn thing about music. I have no problem paying for music but when I pay for it, I want that music to be MINE. DRM has got to go.....I have solved this problem. I have a new idea for the next social net
rckseattle 2 years ago 2
Can You Explain DRM Please?
Zeke4TV 2 years ago
lol the recording thing what you can write music down it doesnt have to be written in a recording studio plus just give the music away for free on the bands website if its good you will sell concert tickets. thats were the money is fuck the music labels they dont need the cash
colt45zzx 2 years ago
VINYL 4 EVER
JusBeCuzz 2 years ago 3
Re the last comment on the vid.....yaay now the kids will start download real music from real indie artists who won't sue their ass for doing it.
Give your music away and you will develop a meaningful relationship with your fans, many of them will still go out and buy your cd's merch, whatever.
HOPELESSROMANTIKO 2 years ago
Writing and recording music should be a labour of love, that's how great songs are written, making money should be a by product. Gatekeepers are still helpful in the industry to filter out the noise but the power has shifted to the fans and what they want, they are becoming their own gatekeepers not some fat cat suit behind a desk in a dinosaur record label or radio station.
People are discovering music for themselves with the help of sites like Last FM and Pandora. Be indie or be toast.
HOPELESSROMANTIKO 2 years ago
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HOPELESSROMANTIKO 2 years ago
Well, it looks like in ten, twenty years that "one hit wonders will be a thing of the past.
romanowskistudios 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Only a sucker would pay for a song from I-tunes.Audio compression was only invented because in the 90s the average hard drive size was only about 500mb.Since then storage capacity of hard drives and portable players has increased more than a thousand fold yet still we are listening to music and PAYING for music in crappy quality MP3 and AAC
netgemiplayer 3 years ago
labels screwed themselves by discontinuing the single format, forcing customers buy the whole CD. Then they promoted Crap CDs with one good song, leaving customers disappointed and frustrated. Then they refused to accept ALL open product, forcing the retailers to take a loss if the CD sucked and the customer didn't want it. It cost less to print a CD then a cass., but CDs were twice the price at retail? in 1995 there were 10k chain record stores in the US, now there are approx. 500. Hmm! GREEDY!
fret2424 3 years ago 4
the fuck is this asshole talking about? They only want to promote certain artists anyway, those that bleach their skin and those that wear lace wigs, there is plenty of good music on myspace, especially independents, what he means is that, i am listening to the radio everyday and there is nothing but GARBAGE on it, and I don't want to buy this CRAP, its all about taking off your clothes and putting a wig on your head, hey fag, eat ass biatch! Thats what we myspace fans think of you, hoe.
georgiagritz 3 years ago
This is so sad. I can't believe this guy is so stupid. Copying a file is fundamentally different than shoplifting. When you shoplift an item, the item doesn't remain behind for someone else to pay for it.
The future will be a $5-$10 per month fee added at the ISP level. Users can opt out of the fee, but risk being sued for copyright infringement.
Come on RIAA get your Tony Soprano on. Shake down the ISPs for that money. You guys have been acting like a bunch of pussy's lately.
fhagey 3 years ago
thats exactly what have happened in what whe call 3d world where they dont sell cd but pirated ones for 1 dolar or less when the original used to cost 12 or more, and i dont judge them for that either because they need entertainment just because they work too, so in other words all the entertainment industries will be going down, and the reason why movies industry havent suffered a big blow as the music did, is because of the size of the files to share.
petelebu 3 years ago
ok now the funny thing about this is how many of you are artists?, it has been more than two years since this video has been uploaded, and i see only 7 comments including mine, now funny thing is how do you guys expect people to be reasonable about not stealing usic when the world economies are going down, slowly but steady? the industry is going down because the economy is going down and i dont judge somebody that has no money to buy something unnecesary as music, continue up.
petelebu 3 years ago
He makes a good point at 3:34. If musicians can't sell music anymore, they will all be amateurs---it will be very hard to be a pro musician, so the world will be full of amateur music, which just won't be as high quality because it's much harder to excel at something when you only have bits and pieces of spare time to do it because you have to have another kind of job to make a living.
DavePerry2012 3 years ago 2
It's true man, you can't prefect your craft if you have to work on a building site everyday. I've tried it.. doesn't work. When you buy music you're buying something you like, like buying yourself some new ear-rings. The whole digital thing is hopefully gonna bring down the price of this thing we like so we can continue to enjoy buying it without having to break the bank or consider "stealing it." If someone downloads my music for free, i consider that as stealing from me, no doubt.
stereosavalas 3 years ago
I agree, I think that the music industry should put their executive brains together and come up with a new business model, they have been forced to and need to wake up and smell the coffee. I'd like to see a new law concerning uploading music and movies. We should definitely pay something and royalties between labels & artists should be 50/50 for the small amount they will get. BRING BACK VINYL I SAY!!!!
jsa8ndo 3 years ago
When every single song on an album is worth having, I will buy the full album.
I did it with Weezer's Red Album. I did it with Poets of the Fall's discography: the more I heard, the more I liked it. Eventually it just got easier to buy the whole damn thing.
Artists can't get away with padding their one good song with a whole lot of throw-away stuff and expect to sell a record. We're onto you, you talentless hacks.
DreamerM 3 years ago
Talk about it!
seanchase7 3 years ago
I, as a musician, have no sympathy for the whiner baby major 4 record companies, if they can't change their business model to fit in with the digital age, too bad, other labels will! it's cheaper every day to produce recordings, I have a multitrack digital recorder in my home computer and mp3's cost nothing to reproduce, a cd cost $1 a piece for 1000, how much for a million? and they charge $15, WTF? let them find someplace else to fund their coke habit besides musicians and their fans
CasualDaveDotCom 3 years ago 4
CasualDaveDotCom, your forgot the millions they spend on marketing the record. It takes at least 1 million to break an artist national to get them on nation radio and nation TV. As much as people talk about social sites like Myspace, Facebook, and Youtube. They really don't measure at all when it comes to exposure. U have been on Youtube over a year. You have 217 subs that's how hard it is get people to know about you and your music.
Debonair73 3 years ago 2