Honey Lake Paiutes commemorating Papoose Meadows Massacre.

[Stunt3210]

LH,

Its apparent,that you need to research your history a bit better yourself.The first non NDN to come into HLV,could have Run into either Maidu or Piaute depending on the direction they came into the valley.They could have come across Pit river as well,if comming from the north.Tribal registrations werent allways acurate or correct either.Lassen county was originally a part of Plumas county before being Annexed as Lassen county.

[marisabia07]

I just saw the movie, september dawns, a false flag ops.on another 9/11. I am very interested in the native american response to these allegations, i've been looking for, but have not been successful in finding yet.

was this a common ocurrance to blame indians for killings they hadn't done, i just saw a similar scenerio played out in Deadwood to a smaller scale.

[LassenHistorian]

lol...where did you get that...quote the source.

[LassenHistorian]

Also many tribes used Indian sign languages. If I recall it said that they were talking to a Sioux Chief who also gave them what appeared to be Masonic sign language. So tribes shared Indian sign language to speak with each other that did not speak the same language.

[LassenHistorian]

So the so-called "Masonic Sign Language" that Winnemucca used was typical Indian sign that was universal across the Plains also. See Black Bear, the Lakota chief in the same book.

[LassenHistorian]

You should quote the whole section...lol, but nice try.

[LassenHistorian]

...alllllsooo in the same book. A white man was captured by Indians between St. Louis Missouri and Santa Fe, New Mexico. The guy was about to be burned when he gave...guess what...Masonic sign language. The chief recognized it and jumped up and released the prisoner.

lol, but nice try. I didn't know Chief Winemucca was in St. Louis Missouri and in South Dakota?

[LassenHistorian]

Let's see the review by the Law and Courts Section of the American Political Science Association about your Honey Lake Maidu book.

[LassenHistorian]

Tolley, who is a very honest writer throughout, states in her introduction that Some names and facts have been changed to protect peoples identities (p.xviii). This is amazing. Is this then fiction? Or, that anomaly historical fiction? Or, an old goodie fieldwork fiction? What names and/or facts are false are not identified. Given this uncertainty, how do we know what is true and what is false?

[LassenHistorian]

This startling admission makes one wonder whether this book is a fantasy. To be fair, social science method often allows the conduct of surveys or interviews in which the participants are not identified. But it does not allow for made-up facts or giving participants false and misleading names. The credibility of the book is undermined before it even proceeds.

[LassenHistorian]

So much for your Honey Lake petition 'fantasy'...lol

[LassenHistorian]

The author Tolley wrote she didn't like the leadership of the Plumas county...oops I meant "Honey Lake" Maidus...lol Was that you? lol

[EagleGhost117]

Your mommas so fat last time she saw "90210" was on a scale.

Your mommas so fat she's on BOTH sides of the family.

Your mommas so fat she used bacon as a Band-aid.

Your mommas so greasy she sweats crisco.

That's kind of like more your style, maybe you can get that.

You Fucktard LassenHistorian, your so lame and ignorant.

[LassenHistorian]

"Soon after that we met a small wrinkled old Indian, crying out, as he advanced, "Pai" - "pai" This is one of the murdering Piutes, or Piutahs."

First contact of whites and Indians at Honey Lake.

"Murdering" I thought the whites and Paiutes were buddies according to you...lol

[LassenHistorian]

"McCall relates the making of a sand map by an Indian at Lassen's Meadows - an Indian, that is, of the same Paiute division as those found by Hough at Honey Lake".

lol

[LassenHistorian]

Oh I didn't know that they had the Lowrys and Peconoms on the Internet? I also didn't know they had the 1928 California Indian applications on Google? lol

Nice try.

Paiutes were not the only group around Honey Lake, Eagle Lake and Doyle...duh.

[LassenHistorian]

Duh...the applications were filled in 1928-1929. Your ancestors wrote down where they came from before Lake Alamanor was created. They wrote that around 1850 they were ancestors were from...guess where...Plumas, not Lassen.

[LassenHistorian]

That is what you ancestors wrote...lol

[LassenHistorian]

So are you saying that your ancestors were "simple minded"? They are the ones who wrote they were from Plumas County...lol

[LassenHistorian]

I am not a Paiute, but I am from another tribal group in the area and know as a fact that Maidus were from Plumas.

[LassenHistorian]

Why did your ancestors, who were sedentry say they were FROM PLUMAS COUNTY...lol

round, and round you go, but your own ancestors wrote that down on their applications, with two Indian witnesses and their thumbprint and signature...ON AN AFFIDAVIT.

So are you calling THEM liars?

[LassenHistorian]

lol...is that why when the whites came from the WEST first met a Paiute man on first contact of Indians at Honey Lake?

You still have NOT EXPLAINED why your OWN ANCESTORS said they were from Plumas...now who is ignorant...lol

Go ask your daddy/momma...lol

Remember the 1929 California Indian applications DON'T LIE...lol

[LassenHistorian]

Oh there are place names. We just didn't MAKE THEM UP like the Peconoms did...lol

Your homeland was FLOODED and you came here from Plumas to work in Lassen, just like your white and Mexican ancestors did....lol

[LassenHistorian]

Also tell "Comanche" that is a Numic name. Comanches are cousins to the Paiutes...lol

[LassenHistorian]

what a funny name for a Maidu...Comanche...lol. He don't know that is a Numic name? lol

[LassenHistorian]

Well apparently the Honey Lake Maidus are because their own ancestors said they were born in Plumas County. So are you calling your own ancestors LIARS? If you are a Lowry then your ancestors came from Plumas and the Pitt River side came from up north. If you are a Peconom your ancestor came from Plumas County, just like the Mexican Morales did.

You don't know if I am Native or not, apparently you don't know your own family history. I am right here in Susanville.

[LassenHistorian]

Washoes were to the south, Pitt Rivers to the North and Maidus in Plumas county. Paiutes in the middle. The early records show that.

[LassenHistorian]

The FIRST discovery of Lassen County documents that when the first white man came into the area he spoke to an elderly PAIUTE man. Now why is that? It is documented that the Maidus were the scouts for the whites. The 1928 California Applications your own ancestors filled out say they came from Plumas County, That is the Lowrys, Peconoms and others. Meanwhile the Paiutes in the area wrote they were from Lassen. Now how do you explain THAT? lol. Are you saying you ancestors were lairs?

[LassenHistorian]

...also just because you don't know language. Wada is located in different places INCLUDING Lassen County. There are different bands of Kumu-tikuttas and Pakwi-tikuttas because those foods were found in different locations. I suggest you go back and look at your own families history and see that the Maidus came from Plumas and even your white ancestors who married your Indian ancestors were from Plumas...now why is that? That is because Honey Lake Maidu IS B.S.

[LassenHistorian]

They only ones trying to "change" history are the Honey Lake Maidus. The facts support that the Maidus came from Indian Valley from Plumas County and when their valley was flooded they went to work for the lumber mills in Lassen. You should look at your families 1928 California Indian applications...and where does it say they came from...why they came from PLUMAS COUNTY....lol

[LassenHistorian]

What facts are those? That this incident never happened? Here is something you might not know, but I have seen the "Honey Lake Maidu"'s 1928 California Indian Applications and they show that the Maidus CLAIMING to be from Lassen are originally from Plumas County. Now why is that? Now THAT is a FACT. Meanwhile the Paiutes in the area have applications showing them to be from Lassen..hmmm...lol

[omzone23]

As a child of creator I cry, as a child of a european I cry. Bless you eternally. May all be healed and happy!

Aho.

[ThunderStorms98626]

as a descendant to a lone massacre survivor, I agree that it is imperative we never forget... to do so would be to disservice our Ancestors...

[japanime99]

we must not forget what happend.....nice video 5 stars

[EnchantinGoddessSoul]

Thankyou Ladychoctaw ..this was very sad yet the history to me is always very important warm huggs always to you sister :)

[mastercchan]

thank you for sharing with me ladychoctaw and yes native pride forever god bless and peace aho

[sunkawakanska]

great  i am so glad i was sent this fav/5stars

alex

[ladychoctaw]

This makes my heart so sad and makes me very angry..$5.00 a head! My heart cries for these people and we will never forget!! Never!! Thanks so much for posting this video..Much respect to these people!Native Pride Forever! Walk the red road!

[fatamorgana1989]

beautiful