As a former Roman Catholic, the faith was dear to me more than non-catholics will understand, but God showed me something I wish I would've found sooner. Look-up on youtube: UNBLOODY ROMAN MASS SACRIFICE VS. THE TRUE BIBLICAL MEANING OF THE LORD'S SUPPER
Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. He who has ears, let him hear.
Also it is interesting that Matt 16:18 parallels Is 22:22-24. Binding and loosing in rabinical language is akin to opening and shutting in rabinical terms. Is 22:22-24 refers to a successionary office which had been around for 400 years at the time. No Jew would have missed this.
How does the good pastor know that Jesus pointed to himself in the passage? The fact is that succession is implied in Matt 16:18-19. Keys are successionary. If I buy a house I get keys. If I sell the house I give those keys to the one I sell too. Succession.
It's funny that none of the greek orthodox use the arguement that petros means stone or pebble. You would think they would be all over Catholic claims that Peter means rock if this were true. After all it's there language.
There are over 30,000 "christian" churches. Anybody with a degree can become a 'pastor" of one sort or another. No matter how many "churches" were around shortly after the life of Christ..His prayer at the last supper...to the father was...THAT THEY MAY BE ONE AS YOU AND I ARE ONE. Jesus didn't want a fractured "body". The Orthodox Churches believe the same things as Catholics, except for minor differences. These two Churches, if any belong the name 1st Churches. ALL the protestant r after 1520
@bheadh ... You can be assured that He did NOT mean the heretical, idol worshipping, apostate institution called the catholic church. He meant the body of believers who are saved by the blood of Jesus and worship Him alone and follow His commandments...not evil appartions by demon disguised as Mary.
@bella50008 Oh, so which one of the over 30,000 "churches" did "He" mean? Show me in history which "church" was instituted by Christ @ the time of Christ and has remained the same for 2000 years. Jesus, the author of the Gospel, lived the law & the prophets perfectly during his time on earth. Including, ""honor your mother & father". As God, it is HIS prerogative to "honor" his mother in eternity WHATEVER WAY HE WANTS. I'm sick & tired of people disrespecting the mother of my Lord. Be careful.
@imromancatholic "If I might interject this number comes from a book called Bartlett's Book of Christianity." Would you accept as well "The World Christian Encyclopedia" as a reliable source for this 33,000 number?
Jesus was speaking to Peter not to Himself. And Jesus was not speaking in Greek but in Aramaic so the word rock is actually "KEPHA"... Jesus gives Peter The keys of The Kingdom. Key's respresent SUCCESSION...YES....KEYS represent succession. Sorry brother...
@JDNWF66 From reading your comments, I see you are a RC. If you are, then perhaps you can answer these questions. We are told that Rome has this God-given unity found in "tradition," and a living head who can interpret doctrines and safeguard the faith. Yet, the fact is that a majority of US Catholics don't seem to be benefitting from this source of "unity," in that they voted for a man who stands inalterably opposed to key elements of their church's teachings, particularly....
in reference to abortion. It seems a majority of elected RC likewise care little about what the Pope says, or the Church teaches. But, at the same time, the Church of Rome does nothing about these things, allowing pro-abortion Catholics to remain in communion with her. The questions are: why didn't your pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth, call up the priests who runs Notre Dame, and tell them to rescind the invitation to the most pro-abortion President of all time, Obama, and say he would not..
be allowed to speak at the graduating class of 2009? As the Shepard of the flock, didn't he know that a ravenous wolf was going to be let loose o the flock of students at Notre Dame? Why did he do nothing? What good is it then, in having a so-called infallible leader who then doesn't lead?Does this, as a probably a devout RC, concern you at all? Did YOU do anything about it? Perhaps this is why the sedevacantist movement is growing. Have you looked in that?
@TheJpgr1958 ..kinda hard for the pope to pass judgment on Obama or anyone else when the pope himself practices evil of idolatry and operates an apostate institution.
@bella50008 Couldn't agree with you more. You should read some of the responses I've gotten from RC to the question I asked. Pretty sad. The best of the worst response was that the Pope probably didn't know that Obama was going to speak at Notre Dame, therefore, he shouldn't be held responsible. Right!! I reminded this RC that we are talking about The President of the U.S., the most powerful office in the world, whose every move, with the exception of him going to the bathroom, is reported on.
@bella50008 Needless to say that when I reminded this RC of that very fact, I never heard from this RC again. There is no defense to this and they know it.
Catholic institutions teach the CATECHISM over the BIBLE. I NEVER in all my years of sacramental classes opened up a bible to see anything about being born again. Jesus being the ROCK. Mary having more children. I had been PURPOSELY DECIEVED by this false church. The Lord called me out of that religion, removed the blinders and I was able to understand the scriptures for myself! 2 Peter 1:20"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Read 2 Tim 2:15
You CANNOT be born again, have the HOLY GHOST who teaches all truths of the bible and remain a catholic. Im sorry. I was a catholic born and raised into the heretical institution who teaches all this that are opposite to Jesus teachings. Removing the second commandment, false Mary doctrines, purgatory, indulgences and all other MAN MADE traditions are exactly what JEsus fought against so emphatically with the pharisees whose teachings where exalted over GOD'S commands. You cant go back to that!
1 Cor. 10:4" And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK WAS CHRIST." That SHOULD CLARIFY who is the ROCK. The Almighty wrote the bible in a way that the SIMPLE and BABES can understand as well as the pastor." At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Matt 11:25) Simple english.
I get the point that there were many churches in the early centuries. However, the writings of Paul and Peter prove that someone was in authority. Paul never says "It's ok to be a separate church with separate beliefs." He chastises people for not having a uniform faith in Jesus. He clearly is the top of a top-down hierarchy.
@WhenDreamsTouchFire HellO? You your sources are not valid Church teachings, so its like learning algebra and since you read a source that says geometry is algebra, you know the Truth? you do not know that you do not even know! its scary, and those arguments are not even worthy of rebuttal. Stay in your hatred and ignorance, but you my friend are not reading the correct sources, go watch Scott Hahn....for starters. And rebut what he says.
@WhenDreamsTouchFire Where do you get this stuff? I repeat, if you want to know what the Catholic Church believes and teaches, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You are being fed a lot of nonsense. What the Church teaches and your understanding of it are worlds apart. My initial remarks stand. The Church does not teach that the pope is Christ. Show me where the Church teaches this and relieve me of my ignorance.
@wayne99217 The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.
Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."- Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.
Pope is neither /
Pope is simply a self appoined demi god that wears a dress & waves at the crowds as if he was a king its rubbish
@WhenDreamsTouchFire Not trying to be clever. It is purely out of Christian charity (see Ez 33:7-9, Rom 13:8-10, and Mt 18:15-20) that I point out that your understanding of the Catholic Church has been flawed. Try not to let anger, hatred, or misinformation cloud your judgement. There has been much written about the Catholic Church by those who oppose Her truths, and they are wrong. If you want to learn what the Church believes and teaches, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
@WhenDreamsTouchFire You have, apparently, done little to no research whatsoever. First mistake: Vicar does not mean likeness. Vicar=one serving as a substitute or agent; specifically : an administrative deputy. Second Mistake: the pope has been labelled with many titles over the centuries, VICARIVS FILII DEI has never been one of them. You will never find an official church document addressed with this title. Third mistake: You make unsubstantiated false claims about Catholic doctrine.
every religion has the same story- a book that, without which, the holy spirit, it doesnt mean anything. ive met atheists who do more for humanity than most religious people. and the book, with or without the holy ghost is still, and can never be, the word of god (theres proof of that
@guineapiggyman The bible is the word of GOD..of course by itself, without the spirit of truth it is a very dangerous book...It is the book through out all ages that has been a guide to those who are one with the holy spirit.
And I say also unto thee that thou art Peter=Petros=#4074) & upon *THIS ROCK* =PETRA= #4073) I will build my church-gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
@1978dagreat Petros, in 1st century Greek is the masculine form of Petra. In Aramaic it is Kepha and this is the translation in the tounge that Jesus spoke "You are kepha and on this kepha i will build my church." In reality tho it wouldn't matter if Jesus called Peter a peace of dirt becaues right after calling him Petros he gives him the keys to the kingdom and the authority to bind and loose. He later also appears to him and gives him alone the charge to feed and tend the one sheepfold
If Peter was Bishop of Rome for 25 years, how could he meet Paul in Jerusalem in 42 AD, and then back in Jerusalem again in 43 AD, and in 56 AD have a dispute with Paul in Antioch about 800 miles from Rome, it appears Peter was not in Rome when RCC declare he was, Can you say that RCC is in error over the time Peter supposedly was in Rome, or has the Bible got it all mixed up?
the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
@mjacobson73 3. Rubbish! It cannot be proven that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. In fact, it can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo.
@mjacobson73 When the apostles wrote the New Testament documents they were inspired by the power of the Holy Spirit. There wasn't any real issue of whether or not they were authentic. Their writings did not need to be deemed worthy of inclusion in the Canon of Scripture by a later group of men in the so-called Roman Catholic Church. To make such a claim is, in effect, to usurp the natural power and authority of God himself.
@kiwichristian2009 Oh so they didn't need to be deemed worthy so what the thousand or so other books written in the time period of the apostels are worthy too? You sound like a mormon. "I believe it becaues it is the word of GOD" well how do you know that? Do you believe the bible just complied itself and fell from the sky? Untill you can answere as to where you got your bible from and by what authority it was put together you will be a mormon.
@alen1122 u have a great point but we must unite under the authority of the rock the authority given by christ! I pray for unity. I ask that u pray as well for if 2 are gathered in my name there shall i be.
Peter himself says the 'Rock' is Christ.....1 Peter 2:6-8 “Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief cornerstone, elect, precious, and he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame. Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone, and a stone of stumbling and a rock [petra] of offense."
@johnthreesixteen316 study the church fathers study study hard. study the first seven ecumentical councils. the bibal is a catholic book catholic meaning the one true full teaching. peters sucession is grounded in history. simon was changed by christ to peter or ROCK. FEED MY SHEEP.NOT THESE OR THOES BUT ALL MY SHEEP.THERE IS ONE SHEPARD AND ONE FLOCK. I PRAY THAT U ALL MIGHT BE ONE. I GIVE U THE POWER TO BIND OR LOOSE.U ARE THE ROCK. how christ himself proclam u are the rock and talk of himself
@kiwichristian2009 You are Petros, or kepha both mean rock. This is the name the LORD gives to Peter along with the keys to the kingdom and the ability to bind and loose and to forgive sins.
@kiwichristian2009 There is no such thing as a bible before the council of Hippo, the books were already written and many churches had copies of these books, but they also had a thousand other books that were not deemed to be scripture. So by what authority did the council of hippo put together whta you now call scripture. How do you know that it is scripture, if the church that put it together is false then the scripture would be in question, would it not?
@gtepp031387 Since the RCC believe that Peter was declared the Rock in Matthew 16:18, why did Jesus then call Peter Satan 5 verses later in Matthew 16: 23, which was he.
@kiwichristian2009 This is explained in Luke 22:32 "But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." And of coures Peter even being the Rock of the church had to still undergo the final test.
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock [petra] that followed them, and that Rock [petra] was Christ."
Catholics compiled the Bible that all Christians use. It is best understood when you look at histroy and the tradition of the early church. Nice try, but any conclusions based purely on scripture are not complete and full of holes. Some of what you say is true, but your conclusions are dead wrong.
@LTD4Kids Rubbish. Versions of the NT in other languages available early in Christianity: Peshitta Version AD 150 The Italic Bible AD 157 The Waldensian AD 120 & onwards Gallic Bible (Southern France) AD177 Gothic Bible AD 330-350 Old Syriac Bible AD 400 Armenian Bible AD 400 (There are 1244 copies of this version still in existence.) Palestinian Syriac AD 450
@kiwichristian2009 If you compare all the versions of the Bible you will find that there are only minimal differences. None of them pervert or destroy the word of God. The Christian Churches of the time found a need to perserve the word and they all got together, except a few that were left out in error, and decided on what should be included in the Bible, based on tradition, since they still had close knowledge of Jesus and what he said. Those left out later joined with the other Christians.
@LTD4Kids What i am saying and proving, my friend is that the catholic cult mearly defined what IT would use as the Bible, as the Bible was around at that time.
@kiwichristian2009 No there was no such thing as the bible, untill the council of Hippo. You could say that the books were written and in use in churches but they were not compiled, and many books were in use by the early church that was not scripture. So by what authority did the Catholic church decied on what books would be scripture? Can you tell me why you believe the bible to be the word of GOD, and not the book of Mormon?
I wish I could post the "not this shit again" macro.
Jesus talked to Peter because he seemed to be the dumbest disciple in the Gospels. The proverbial squeaky wheel getting the grease. After Peter's apostasy, Matthew never mentions him again.
But how about we stop worrying over who gets to wear the pointy hat and sit in the magic chair and just do what Jesus said? Love the Lord your God and love your neighbor as yourself? Just two rules. Really simple to remember.
i think you got it aall wrong, because the HOLY BIBLE is the word of God who is the TRUTH. And in the essence of the Truth, there is no truth contradict to another turth, because in God, he is pure spirit of The TRUTH.
Let me show you what is truly written in the Word of God..."And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Mat 16:18).
Absolutely, you are mistaken for quoting that the CATHOLIC CHURCH is the true church that Jesus established. The Bible doesn't support to your claim.
Another biblical passages :"...The churches of Christ salute you. (Rom 16:16), "Unto the church of God...(1Co 1:2)
@biblos07 what do u think opon this rock means does this have no meaning to u study the history of the church the history dating back to the apostles! not only the 15th century!
@rayq78 but in the spirit we have all bin baptized into christ so if we know they are in heaven they are ONE WITH CHRIST just as christ the spirit and the father are one if u glorify christ u glorify the father if u glorify mary u glorify christ u argue about things u dont understand.
"supose for a minute that He (Jesus) did built it (Church) upon Peter and He give the keys of the Kimdom to him, and the power to bind on earth will bind in heave... even if that`s the case......"
Well unfurtenelly for protestans, YES Jesus DID it, and told that "supusition" to peter, exactly what they deny...
They only arguments are .. He didn`t said this, he didn`t said that,, !! But protestans KNOW Jesus DID SAID what they try to deny,,,
In Matt 7:21 we see Jesus standing at the pearly gates (Not Peter) and He says Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of HEAVEN only those who do the will of God......you preached in My name and did good works but I never KNEW you. Get away from Me evildoers..
Actually the kingdom is in the hearts of men and only those who have it will be allowed to enter the pearly gates of new Jerusalem and Matt 12:32 "The new world that is coming."
Yeah-- so? Jesus named him "rock". To make sure that people understood that, the gospel writers translated his name to Petros, or "rock" in Greek. According to his correspondence with Paul, he went by both names later in his life.
All this is more like law and government than real faith in God. Cephas is what Jesus called him and I think it was Greek speaking Paul who called him Petros.
Another strange thing is that there were no churches in Jesus' day so that verse is the only one in the 4 gospels which says 'church'. Very convenient.
So you know this verse. it is also in one of the gospel songs in church. To tell the truth, I don't believe in predestination especially from Ephesians 1 (I think)
Sure. We aren't saved by a "sect". In fact, St. Paul despised sectarianism, emphasizing the need for unity within the Church. That being said, the ekklesia, or churches, mentioned in the epistles take on a very important role, as community was very important to the early Christians-- Christianity was never meant to be solely an individual endeavor.
Paul was not a Nazarene. He did not keep the Old Law of the Jews, he abandoned much of the Old Law, like most Christians, after the Council of Jerusalem in A.D. 49.
The reason for prophesy is to fulfill something from the Old Testament such as Samson the Nazarite. That was a sect that refused to drink alcohol etc.
Prophesy isn't limited to whether a guy will cut his hair or drink alcohol. The prophesy mentioned in Matthew 2:23 clearly states that the person in question would be from Nazareth. In fact, the sect of the "Nazarenes" took their name from the town of Nazareth where Jesus lived.
Jesus challenged the authority of the pharisees even though they had a tradition going back to Abraham Jn 8:31-59 Why does the church stick to this old 'sin and death' religion. Read Heb 6.
In replacement theology.
The church replaces Israel (New covenant Heb 8:10)
Heaven replaces new Jerusalem (Rev 21/Isaiah 66)
Easter replaces passover
etc.
This religion changes the word of God and commits the same sin as those Judean pharisees.
Christ spoke Aramaic and nicknamed Simon "Kepha," ("Cephas") which means "Rock."
Matthew 16
The SPIRITUAL Rock, Christ, the High Priest and Head of the Church, authorized Peter to be the earthly Rock, His Vicar, of the Church the father of the New Covenant.
Just as God the Father made Abraham the earthly father of the Old Covenant (Isaiah 51:1-2)
Protest-ants lecture us on demonic false ecumenism
Take your universal salvation Apostacy with you and leave us alone.
Outside the church, theres No salvation, no sanctification no remission of sins.
Protest-ants and those who die under perpetual curse of biblical Anathema, descend directly into Hell after death!
TO BE SAVED, YOU MUST HAVE PERFECT CONTRITION, PERFECT CONVERSION, HOLD PERFECTLY THE ON TRINITARIAN PUBLIC PROFESSION OF PROXIMATE FAITH OR AT LEAST A PERFECT DESIRE FOR IT
There is no universal salvation for the Calvinist 'frozen chosen'. lol !! Religion is a joke.
Jesus only got angry with the religious leaders of his day, so much so that he said (Matt 8:22) "..leave the dead to bury their dead..". What is the use of remission of sin or sanctification if we are DEAD (spiritually) Gen 2:17. Adam, the first son of God died because he broke the one law in Eden. The second Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua) came to give us new LIFE Jn 10:10
Clavin was a Jew. Honored as such by Jewish Bnai Brith Society.
Luther was Allied With Jews.
Every Heresy in the Church had Jewish Origins
Now there is Blasphemous 'Judeo-Christinity' which is an Oxy Moron, as Jews killed Christ and Blaspheme them in their Vile TALMUD today with Filthy teachings.
The Elders Christ got upset with were the Jew Elders-'Synaogue of Satan' he called them
(Rev 2:9)
And the Edomite 'Jews' that Christ said were 'Of their Father the Devil' -John 8:44
When the Samaritan woman spoke to Jesus she called Him a Jew (or Judean) and He didn't deny it (Jn 4:7) even though the prophesy said he would be known as a Nazarite Mt 2:23 (or in acts 24:5 "the sect of the Nazarene")
Ironically the christian churches all have "Replacement theology" which means the church replaces Israel. What about the sin of those Judean pharisees. If you take their place you take their sin also.
If Christ called them vipers and Satan's children then what what possible logic is there in Replacement theology. If the churches take the place of Israel then we are also snakes end evildoers.
Sound like you have been reading Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and their lies"
In Christianity we have emperor Constantine and his council of Nicaea (325CE) followed by the Council of Laodicea (364CE) which is a foundation of most of the false Christian doctrines.
How can that be any better than the sins of the Pharisees.
Even if Israel(Jacob) declined the salvation message that is between them and God.
Our job should be to listen when God instructs us such as
Mica 8:6 "Hear O man what the LORD requires of you, do justice love kindness and walk humbly with your God"
@StSimonOfTrent the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
@kiwichristian2009 It's only contrary in your head. The church has never taught that Mary can save you, only that she can interseed for you. Confess your sins to one another that you may be healed..ring a bell....Peter is the Rock, so is Christ and so it the confession, you will find this info in the CCC. The Catholic church has never murdered any christians this is rubish.
Come to think of it; Emperor Constantine. That sounds Greek to me and he came from Asia Minor (now Turkey). Maybe he didn't like Hebrew or Latin because these names Peter, Jesus etc are definitely transliterated from Greek.
I can't help but hear inference at 4:13. Will check this out tomorrow. The cornerstone, again, is the highest stone in an archway at the point ^. The metaphor being built up in my mind could place a bigger distinction between Christ and Peter's roles. I why did Jesus call Simon Peter? Does it have nothing to do with the rock Christ mentions in the same sentence? I haven't full understanding on this issue yet so could do with views about "rock" in OT as mentioned on vid.
Clearly something is is lost in translation. Jesus spoke Hebrew or Aramaic. The new testament codexes are in Greek and then we go from there to Latin or English.
Strong's Concordance 6697 says tsoor means rock or boulder while 5553 Selah means lofty rock or fortress.
If something has been lost in translation then perhaps we could turn to Eph2:20 in which the apostles are called the foundations and Jesus the cornerstone. Going back to Mt16:18, lets break it down. We see Jesus calling Simon "rock", we then have Jesus stating that he intends to build His Church on THIS rock. To someone with no bias the Catholic view would be more instinctive. When I say "this" I never mean "me". Can you see our viewpoint?
If Jesus was any good at grammar I'm sure he would have used the correct word to indicate rock in the ground suitable for a foundation. It was probably Kepha so I am told but we don't have those original manuscripts.
I am not sure what you are getting at. Excuse me for being a little slow. I thought that Cephas wasn't his original name as it not an Aramaic word wheras Kepha is. Will you please explain then how when Jesus speaks of "...this rock", he is refering to himself rather than something other than himself? I am also guessing that you think there is an invisible church to which your Protestant dissenter (on this point) do not belong?
Don't you know? Presbyterians are the frozen chosen, the priesthood(presbytery). Revelation say the dead in Christ shall rise first. In reality I think its more like Matt 8:22 " ..leave the dead to buy their dead...".
So Jesus is the rock, not the stone. A cornerstone is usually the stone that holds the building together. The foundation, the rock, is what the building rests upon. Are you sure that Jesus wasn't making a distinction between the two? The last example states that the rock is in God or something like that. Could Peter not be in Jesus and vice versa?
Many protestants also believe that Jesus was refering to Peter: William Hendriksen
member of the Reformed Christian Church, Gerhard Maier
leading conservative evangelical Lutheran theologian, Donald A. Carson III
Baptist and Professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Seminary, John Peter Lange German Protestant scholar. I think also that the distinction between Petros and Petra only existed in the earlier Attic Greek, not in the Koin Greek used during Jesus' time.
I can't believe modern humans still fall for any version of this outdated mode of control(Christianity) which has absolutely zero sources of historical credibility, except for the fact that the majority of it's principals and rituals are plagiarized versions of preceding religions/cults. Even worse is the fact that this religion like all others before is clearly astro-theology (sun-worship). The biggest incentive for chaos in this world has always been religious difference. We need to wake up...
I think you should in further detail examine the accuracy of christs existence, powers and divinity. also you should check out the response to zeitgeist that reveals the fiction in Peter Josephs claims.
Emperor Constantine was the founder of Christianity because he made it the official religion of the Roman Empire. What is historically the Western empire is still Christian (the east is Muslim). Constantine was a worshiper of the unconquerable sun (Sol Invictus) even though Jupiter (Jove the father) was the official god of Rome. Coins have been found to prove this fact.
@EnlightnedChickOne study the teachings of christ the four gospels do not worry about at first accepting his divinity or any religion that will come in time read the gospels and see for yourself what is right and true but forget what anyone says read the gospels
I like to see proof where there were many body of churches during the Apostles time.
The truth is there wasn't. There's only one. Those churches that the Apostles est. are called Apostolic Churches which are Catholic.
Jesus never refered to himself as the rock. Where's that in the Bible? He refered to himself as the foundation. If Peter is not the Rock then his name should have stayed as Simon. Peter means rock. In Hebrew his name would have been Cephas, which means Rock.
The Roman Catholic Church never opposes the idea that Jesus is the Rock, however in the context of Matthew 16:18. it would be understandable even by an elementary student that Peter was the Rock mentioned there.
In the first 20 seconds of the video he brings up revelations 2&3 as where we "clearly see" that there are different denominations of churches. In those chapters, all are addressed to the churches IN that area, not the church of that area. He is misinterpreting the bible, which God warns us of in 2 Peter 1:20. "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation."
Jesus is the rock, and Jesus made Peter the rock also.
Jesus is the shepherd, and Jesus made Peter the shepherd also when he said to Peter, "feed my sheep".
Jesus is the king. He appointed the prime minister Peter and gave him the keys so that Peter can carry out Jesus' mission on earth after Jesus ascended to heaven.
Tell me, because Christ says "I am the light of the world" would you say there is no other light. Well I would but that does not mean it is a contradiction where Jesus says "you are the light of the world", which can be taken to mean Christians are the light of the world. Not two lights but one because Christ shines his light through us. So this guy uses false dichotomy to make his point about the rock. But that is not how scripture should be interpreted.
Oh and by the way another man was called the rock. "Look to the rock from which you were hewn. Look to Abraham and to Sarah..." It's in Isiaha I think chapt . 8. Interesting, Abrahams life was about faith and so was Peters. Abraham had his name changed by Christ and so did Peter.
This guy says Jesus is the foundation and somehow this proves Peter can't be the rock. He interprets with dichotomy rather than understanding. Scripture also says that prophets and apostles are the foundation in Eph 2:20. A different foundation than Christ? No for God works through prophets and apostles. It is all due to Christ that they are the fondatin.
He used two different words for rock because in Konine Greek petra is feminine for rock. Petros is masculine for rock. Both Petros and Petra mean rock. WHere in the Bible does it say Jesus "pointing to himself". The fact is that the passage would not have been spoken in greek. It would have been spoken in Aramaic. And in Aramaic there is ONLY ONE word for rock. Kepha. We in fact know that Aramaic was the spoken word as in other places Peter is called Cephas. A form of the word.
Weak and limited interpretations, especially concerning the Pope and his authority. Also, why not leave the judging to God. You are no one to say who is part of the Body of Christ and who is not.
who are you to say that YOU believe that some Catholics are not part of the body of Christ...What arrogance!!! The Catholic religion was around a Thousand years before yours...It is from the time of Christ...who are you to interpret the bible better than the Catholics that have been interpreting it for thousand years...what is your education? How long have you been studying the bible? I am sure it is not a thousand years...be careful that your vanity is not your undoing
there is 30.000 christian churchs, there is only one holy catholic and apostolic church,,, most of the churches cant agree with each othere other wise they would unite and be one, the catholic church is one with the lord, jesus told peter you are the rock of the church. he is our first leader. the protestant church twisted the word of god after it was dividided. the original bible was put together by the catholic church,, (mary) all generations will call her blessed..
I actually agree with you. I take issue with forced conversion this has been the practice of the roman church for ages and yes Protestants did the same.
No one should be forced in to Serving Christ because its not a genuine conversion.
No I did not say it backwards...All that are in Christ are of Abraham's seed.
Exodus man made? Prophecy shoots that down.
Even Genesis records that paganism came before the promise made to Abraham. What do you know about Prophecy? Have you investigated it before you discredit it?
Dont let your anger towards whites and the injustices done to people of color blind your eyes to the Truth.
Because the Bible never supported slavery like what happened in America.
How do you discount bible prophecy that predicted Roman Catholicism and its whore daughter Protestantism. trip I know why your upset because many injustices were committed in the name of Christ but you can track its rots back to Rome. Christ did not ordain this this was done simply for control. I am free to choose what deity I worship. Have you ever looked at Bible prophecy?
Would not really care how ancestors feel! I care more about the truth than some man made pagan religion that is found in all continents.
The Truth comes in the form the Word of God that was made flesh.
DId your ancestors god make the world...nope.
My ancestors go back to Abraham...
Jews are not a race of people but a Family of people a mixed multitude according to Exodus. Blacks (plus other races) were apart of this exodus from Egypt.
Actually Roman Catholic Church has eliminated those who opposed them throughout the centuries.
But back to your original comment. Christianity was spread to Africa prior to transatlantic slave trade. True many slaves were forced to convert which is wrong.
Some Ethiopians believe that the queen of Sheba brought back a child seeded by Solomon. Point is forced conversion of blacks does not mean Christianity is false.
we do not worship mary we honor her because she is the mother of jesus and and without the yes of mary we don't have salvation...
if all prostestant do not honor mary as mother of jesus... we filipino catholic are proud to honor mary because she is the mother of god and she is also our model....
how can my previous quote of the gospel be seen any different way. Jesus is talking to Peter and the previous is what he said to him. There is too much running around the block to explain it differently in this video for it to be accurate.
Matt. 10:2; Mark 1:36; 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:3; 2:37; 5:29 - Peter is mentioned first among the apostles.Matt. 16:17 - Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father. Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.
.And I tell you that you are Peter (means rock), and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."
Remember that Jesus spoke Aramaeic and Peter was referred to as "keph' a", or "rock". The context Jesus used as "cornerstone" was entirely different. If you finish MT 16, you'll find Jesus actually DID establish His physical church on Peter. Peter simply followed his Lord's commands. The New Testament is extremely consistent on the Papacy, Catholicism, and the priesthood, even though those terms aren't explicitly used; of course, neither is "Trinity" mentioned nor "Sola Scriptura" or "Sola Fide"
Pedophile Priest. From water down Christianity (Catholicism)
All I am trying to do is get you to experience Christ out side of a corrupted church which teaches FALSE Doctrines which will never allow you to grow. I know better than to believe these false doctrines made by men NOT GOD......This is going no where.... Peace
As a former Roman Catholic, the faith was dear to me more than non-catholics will understand, but God showed me something I wish I would've found sooner. Look-up on youtube: UNBLOODY ROMAN MASS SACRIFICE VS. THE TRUE BIBLICAL MEANING OF THE LORD'S SUPPER
hisrighthandsaves 1 week ago
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Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. He who has ears, let him hear.
RyanCreated 1 month ago
Also it is interesting that Matt 16:18 parallels Is 22:22-24. Binding and loosing in rabinical language is akin to opening and shutting in rabinical terms. Is 22:22-24 refers to a successionary office which had been around for 400 years at the time. No Jew would have missed this.
imromancatholic 1 month ago
How does the good pastor know that Jesus pointed to himself in the passage? The fact is that succession is implied in Matt 16:18-19. Keys are successionary. If I buy a house I get keys. If I sell the house I give those keys to the one I sell too. Succession.
imromancatholic 1 month ago
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It's funny that none of the greek orthodox use the arguement that petros means stone or pebble. You would think they would be all over Catholic claims that Peter means rock if this were true. After all it's there language.
imromancatholic 1 month ago
There are over 30,000 "christian" churches. Anybody with a degree can become a 'pastor" of one sort or another. No matter how many "churches" were around shortly after the life of Christ..His prayer at the last supper...to the father was...THAT THEY MAY BE ONE AS YOU AND I ARE ONE. Jesus didn't want a fractured "body". The Orthodox Churches believe the same things as Catholics, except for minor differences. These two Churches, if any belong the name 1st Churches. ALL the protestant r after 1520
bheadh 5 months ago
@bheadh ... You can be assured that He did NOT mean the heretical, idol worshipping, apostate institution called the catholic church. He meant the body of believers who are saved by the blood of Jesus and worship Him alone and follow His commandments...not evil appartions by demon disguised as Mary.
bella50008 2 months ago
@bella50008 Oh, so which one of the over 30,000 "churches" did "He" mean? Show me in history which "church" was instituted by Christ @ the time of Christ and has remained the same for 2000 years. Jesus, the author of the Gospel, lived the law & the prophets perfectly during his time on earth. Including, ""honor your mother & father". As God, it is HIS prerogative to "honor" his mother in eternity WHATEVER WAY HE WANTS. I'm sick & tired of people disrespecting the mother of my Lord. Be careful.
bheadh 2 months ago
@bheadh May I ask, where did you get the numer 30,000 from? What is your source for it?
TheJpgr1958 2 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 - If I might interject this number comes from a book called Bartlett's Book of Christianity.
imromancatholic 1 month ago
@imromancatholic "If I might interject this number comes from a book called Bartlett's Book of Christianity." Would you accept as well "The World Christian Encyclopedia" as a reliable source for this 33,000 number?
TheJpgr1958 1 month ago
@TheJpgr1958 - Probably. Don't know for sure. It may use Bartlett as a source.
imromancatholic 1 month ago
Jesus was speaking to Peter not to Himself. And Jesus was not speaking in Greek but in Aramaic so the word rock is actually "KEPHA"... Jesus gives Peter The keys of The Kingdom. Key's respresent SUCCESSION...YES....KEYS represent succession. Sorry brother...
JDNWF66 5 months ago
@JDNWF66 From reading your comments, I see you are a RC. If you are, then perhaps you can answer these questions. We are told that Rome has this God-given unity found in "tradition," and a living head who can interpret doctrines and safeguard the faith. Yet, the fact is that a majority of US Catholics don't seem to be benefitting from this source of "unity," in that they voted for a man who stands inalterably opposed to key elements of their church's teachings, particularly....
TheJpgr1958 5 months ago
in reference to abortion. It seems a majority of elected RC likewise care little about what the Pope says, or the Church teaches. But, at the same time, the Church of Rome does nothing about these things, allowing pro-abortion Catholics to remain in communion with her. The questions are: why didn't your pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth, call up the priests who runs Notre Dame, and tell them to rescind the invitation to the most pro-abortion President of all time, Obama, and say he would not..
TheJpgr1958 5 months ago
be allowed to speak at the graduating class of 2009? As the Shepard of the flock, didn't he know that a ravenous wolf was going to be let loose o the flock of students at Notre Dame? Why did he do nothing? What good is it then, in having a so-called infallible leader who then doesn't lead?Does this, as a probably a devout RC, concern you at all? Did YOU do anything about it? Perhaps this is why the sedevacantist movement is growing. Have you looked in that?
TheJpgr1958 5 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 ..kinda hard for the pope to pass judgment on Obama or anyone else when the pope himself practices evil of idolatry and operates an apostate institution.
bella50008 2 months ago
@bella50008 Couldn't agree with you more. You should read some of the responses I've gotten from RC to the question I asked. Pretty sad. The best of the worst response was that the Pope probably didn't know that Obama was going to speak at Notre Dame, therefore, he shouldn't be held responsible. Right!! I reminded this RC that we are talking about The President of the U.S., the most powerful office in the world, whose every move, with the exception of him going to the bathroom, is reported on.
TheJpgr1958 2 months ago
@bella50008 Needless to say that when I reminded this RC of that very fact, I never heard from this RC again. There is no defense to this and they know it.
TheJpgr1958 2 months ago
Catholic institutions teach the CATECHISM over the BIBLE. I NEVER in all my years of sacramental classes opened up a bible to see anything about being born again. Jesus being the ROCK. Mary having more children. I had been PURPOSELY DECIEVED by this false church. The Lord called me out of that religion, removed the blinders and I was able to understand the scriptures for myself! 2 Peter 1:20"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Read 2 Tim 2:15
shyman25 5 months ago
@shyman25 ...WOW! I am so happy for you.
bella50008 2 months ago
You CANNOT be born again, have the HOLY GHOST who teaches all truths of the bible and remain a catholic. Im sorry. I was a catholic born and raised into the heretical institution who teaches all this that are opposite to Jesus teachings. Removing the second commandment, false Mary doctrines, purgatory, indulgences and all other MAN MADE traditions are exactly what JEsus fought against so emphatically with the pharisees whose teachings where exalted over GOD'S commands. You cant go back to that!
shyman25 5 months ago
1 Cor. 10:4" And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK WAS CHRIST." That SHOULD CLARIFY who is the ROCK. The Almighty wrote the bible in a way that the SIMPLE and BABES can understand as well as the pastor." At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Matt 11:25) Simple english.
shyman25 5 months ago
I get the point that there were many churches in the early centuries. However, the writings of Paul and Peter prove that someone was in authority. Paul never says "It's ok to be a separate church with separate beliefs." He chastises people for not having a uniform faith in Jesus. He clearly is the top of a top-down hierarchy.
Nepthu 5 months ago
@WhenDreamsTouchFire HellO? You your sources are not valid Church teachings, so its like learning algebra and since you read a source that says geometry is algebra, you know the Truth? you do not know that you do not even know! its scary, and those arguments are not even worthy of rebuttal. Stay in your hatred and ignorance, but you my friend are not reading the correct sources, go watch Scott Hahn....for starters. And rebut what he says.
ReDiserio 5 months ago
God bless Pope Benedict XVI
kpichett 6 months ago
@WhenDreamsTouchFire Where do you get this stuff? I repeat, if you want to know what the Catholic Church believes and teaches, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You are being fed a lot of nonsense. What the Church teaches and your understanding of it are worlds apart. My initial remarks stand. The Church does not teach that the pope is Christ. Show me where the Church teaches this and relieve me of my ignorance.
wayne99217 6 months ago
@wayne99217 The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.
Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."- Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.
Pope is neither /
Pope is simply a self appoined demi god that wears a dress & waves at the crowds as if he was a king its rubbish
glizag 5 months ago
@WhenDreamsTouchFire Not trying to be clever. It is purely out of Christian charity (see Ez 33:7-9, Rom 13:8-10, and Mt 18:15-20) that I point out that your understanding of the Catholic Church has been flawed. Try not to let anger, hatred, or misinformation cloud your judgement. There has been much written about the Catholic Church by those who oppose Her truths, and they are wrong. If you want to learn what the Church believes and teaches, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
wayne99217 6 months ago
@WhenDreamsTouchFire May Christ open your mind and your heart to the Truth. Your hatred will burn you up. God Bless.
wayne99217 6 months ago
@WhenDreamsTouchFire You have, apparently, done little to no research whatsoever. First mistake: Vicar does not mean likeness. Vicar=one serving as a substitute or agent; specifically : an administrative deputy. Second Mistake: the pope has been labelled with many titles over the centuries, VICARIVS FILII DEI has never been one of them. You will never find an official church document addressed with this title. Third mistake: You make unsubstantiated false claims about Catholic doctrine.
wayne99217 6 months ago
@WhenDreamsTouchFire And where do you get the notion that Catholics believe that the pope is Christ?
It is much easier to condemn people than to study and learn the Truth.
wayne99217 6 months ago
every religion has the same story- a book that, without which, the holy spirit, it doesnt mean anything. ive met atheists who do more for humanity than most religious people. and the book, with or without the holy ghost is still, and can never be, the word of god (theres proof of that
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
you guys all know the bible is no different from all the other ancient religious books, right? what makes it any different?
guineapiggyman 10 months ago
@guineapiggyman The bible is the word of GOD..of course by itself, without the spirit of truth it is a very dangerous book...It is the book through out all ages that has been a guide to those who are one with the holy spirit.
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@gtepp031387 that is actually EXTREMELY innaccurate
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
@guineapiggyman Intresting Well then you have not yet accept the spirit of truth, without which the bible is a pointless book
gtepp031387 9 months ago
Peter was an Elder. 1 Pet 5:1 No such thing as a pope & office of priest ceased when Jesus became Highpriest.
Strong's Dictionary Concordance Numbers (Greek) =
#4073 = Petra = CHRIST = Boulder, used 4 times in NT to describe Christ alone
#4074 = Petros = Peter = Piece of rock, used 162 times only to describe Peter
Matt 16:18
And I say also unto thee that thou art Peter=Petros=#4074) & upon *THIS ROCK* =PETRA= #4073) I will build my church-gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
1978dagreat 11 months ago
@1978dagreat Petros, in 1st century Greek is the masculine form of Petra. In Aramaic it is Kepha and this is the translation in the tounge that Jesus spoke "You are kepha and on this kepha i will build my church." In reality tho it wouldn't matter if Jesus called Peter a peace of dirt becaues right after calling him Petros he gives him the keys to the kingdom and the authority to bind and loose. He later also appears to him and gives him alone the charge to feed and tend the one sheepfold
gtepp031387 11 months ago
3 Witneses=
Hebrew Culture = 1 Peter 2:8
"And a stone of stumbling, a ROCK =4073=Petra of offence"
Greek Culture = 1 Cor 10:4
"And did all drink same spiritual drink for they drank that spiritual ROCK=4073=Petra that followed them & that ROCK=4073=Petra was CHRIST"
Roman Culture = Rom 9:33
"As it is written, Behold I lay in Sion a stumblingstone & ROCK=4073=Petra of offence & whosoever believeth on HIM shall not be ashamed"
JESUS is the ROCK of HIS church then, now & forever
1978dagreat 11 months ago
If Peter was Bishop of Rome for 25 years, how could he meet Paul in Jerusalem in 42 AD, and then back in Jerusalem again in 43 AD, and in 56 AD have a dispute with Paul in Antioch about 800 miles from Rome, it appears Peter was not in Rome when RCC declare he was, Can you say that RCC is in error over the time Peter supposedly was in Rome, or has the Bible got it all mixed up?
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
1. Jesus didnt speak Greek...He spoke Aramaic. There is no feminine form of "rock" in this language.
2. The translation into Greek was "Coyne" Greek. There is no word for pebble.
3. The Bible was written, published and bound by the Catholic church.
mjacobson73 1 year ago
@mjacobson73 Jesus is God. He speaks every language in the world! Also, the sign on the top of the cross was written in what languages?
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@mjacobson73 3. Rubbish! It cannot be proven that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. In fact, it can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@mjacobson73 When the apostles wrote the New Testament documents they were inspired by the power of the Holy Spirit. There wasn't any real issue of whether or not they were authentic. Their writings did not need to be deemed worthy of inclusion in the Canon of Scripture by a later group of men in the so-called Roman Catholic Church. To make such a claim is, in effect, to usurp the natural power and authority of God himself.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Oh so they didn't need to be deemed worthy so what the thousand or so other books written in the time period of the apostels are worthy too? You sound like a mormon. "I believe it becaues it is the word of GOD" well how do you know that? Do you believe the bible just complied itself and fell from the sky? Untill you can answere as to where you got your bible from and by what authority it was put together you will be a mormon.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@alen1122 u have a great point but we must unite under the authority of the rock the authority given by christ! I pray for unity. I ask that u pray as well for if 2 are gathered in my name there shall i be.
gtepp031387 1 year ago
Peter himself says the 'Rock' is Christ.....1 Peter 2:6-8 “Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief cornerstone, elect, precious, and he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame. Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone, and a stone of stumbling and a rock [petra] of offense."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 study the church fathers study study hard. study the first seven ecumentical councils. the bibal is a catholic book catholic meaning the one true full teaching. peters sucession is grounded in history. simon was changed by christ to peter or ROCK. FEED MY SHEEP.NOT THESE OR THOES BUT ALL MY SHEEP.THERE IS ONE SHEPARD AND ONE FLOCK. I PRAY THAT U ALL MIGHT BE ONE. I GIVE U THE POWER TO BIND OR LOOSE.U ARE THE ROCK. how christ himself proclam u are the rock and talk of himself
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 Why should someone study the "church fathers" when the Bible clearly shows that Jesus is the "rock", not peter?
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 You are Petros, or kepha both mean rock. This is the name the LORD gives to Peter along with the keys to the kingdom and the ability to bind and loose and to forgive sins.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 There is no such thing as a bible before the council of Hippo, the books were already written and many churches had copies of these books, but they also had a thousand other books that were not deemed to be scripture. So by what authority did the council of hippo put together whta you now call scripture. How do you know that it is scripture, if the church that put it together is false then the scripture would be in question, would it not?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 Since the RCC believe that Peter was declared the Rock in Matthew 16:18, why did Jesus then call Peter Satan 5 verses later in Matthew 16: 23, which was he.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 This is explained in Luke 22:32 "But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." And of coures Peter even being the Rock of the church had to still undergo the final test.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock [petra] that followed them, and that Rock [petra] was Christ."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
catholicnation 1 year ago
Catholics compiled the Bible that all Christians use. It is best understood when you look at histroy and the tradition of the early church. Nice try, but any conclusions based purely on scripture are not complete and full of holes. Some of what you say is true, but your conclusions are dead wrong.
LTD4Kids 1 year ago 2
@LTD4Kids Rubbish! the catholic cult mearly defined what IT would use as the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@LTD4Kids Rubbish. Versions of the NT in other languages available early in Christianity: Peshitta Version AD 150 The Italic Bible AD 157 The Waldensian AD 120 & onwards Gallic Bible (Southern France) AD177 Gothic Bible AD 330-350 Old Syriac Bible AD 400 Armenian Bible AD 400 (There are 1244 copies of this version still in existence.) Palestinian Syriac AD 450
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 If you compare all the versions of the Bible you will find that there are only minimal differences. None of them pervert or destroy the word of God. The Christian Churches of the time found a need to perserve the word and they all got together, except a few that were left out in error, and decided on what should be included in the Bible, based on tradition, since they still had close knowledge of Jesus and what he said. Those left out later joined with the other Christians.
LTD4Kids 11 months ago
@LTD4Kids What i am saying and proving, my friend is that the catholic cult mearly defined what IT would use as the Bible, as the Bible was around at that time.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 No there was no such thing as the bible, untill the council of Hippo. You could say that the books were written and in use in churches but they were not compiled, and many books were in use by the early church that was not scripture. So by what authority did the Catholic church decied on what books would be scripture? Can you tell me why you believe the bible to be the word of GOD, and not the book of Mormon?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 untill you can adiquietly tell me why the NT is the word of GOD and not the book of Mormon, you will be a mormon to me.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
I wish I could post the "not this shit again" macro.
Jesus talked to Peter because he seemed to be the dumbest disciple in the Gospels. The proverbial squeaky wheel getting the grease. After Peter's apostasy, Matthew never mentions him again.
But how about we stop worrying over who gets to wear the pointy hat and sit in the magic chair and just do what Jesus said? Love the Lord your God and love your neighbor as yourself? Just two rules. Really simple to remember.
TheStranglehold 1 year ago
If Peter was the first Pope then logically the RCC would be a Jewish sect but that's not the case so we have a problem here.
yarrw 2 years ago
i think you got it aall wrong, because the HOLY BIBLE is the word of God who is the TRUTH. And in the essence of the Truth, there is no truth contradict to another turth, because in God, he is pure spirit of The TRUTH.
valio2750 2 years ago
But in the human there is contradiction, because in the human heart his ethos is completely messed up by the original sin of the first man and woman.
valio2750 2 years ago
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valio2750 2 years ago 6
Let me show you what is truly written in the Word of God..."And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Mat 16:18).
Absolutely, you are mistaken for quoting that the CATHOLIC CHURCH is the true church that Jesus established. The Bible doesn't support to your claim.
Another biblical passages :"...The churches of Christ salute you. (Rom 16:16), "Unto the church of God...(1Co 1:2)
biblos07 2 years ago
@biblos07 what do u think opon this rock means does this have no meaning to u study the history of the church the history dating back to the apostles! not only the 15th century!
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@valio2750 but what happened to the teachings of Peter? John? Paul?
"I am the way...the truth and the life...no one gets to heaven except through me"...said Jesus. John 14:6
Asking the saints...Mary the mother(in flesh) of Jesus to save the souls of the ones who died?
Read the story of The rich man and Lazarus,,,Luke 16:19-31
"for there is one God and one mediator between God and men. the man Christ.." 1Timothy 2:5...
Its only through Jesus...and the Holy Spirit that God send to us...
rayq78 1 year ago
@rayq78 but in the spirit we have all bin baptized into christ so if we know they are in heaven they are ONE WITH CHRIST just as christ the spirit and the father are one if u glorify christ u glorify the father if u glorify mary u glorify christ u argue about things u dont understand.
gtepp031387 1 year ago
teh protestan said:
"supose for a minute that He (Jesus) did built it (Church) upon Peter and He give the keys of the Kimdom to him, and the power to bind on earth will bind in heave... even if that`s the case......"
Well unfurtenelly for protestans, YES Jesus DID it, and told that "supusition" to peter, exactly what they deny...
They only arguments are .. He didn`t said this, he didn`t said that,, !! But protestans KNOW Jesus DID SAID what they try to deny,,,
mjmenjivar 2 years ago
What is the Kingdom of heaven.
In Matt 7:21 we see Jesus standing at the pearly gates (Not Peter) and He says Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of HEAVEN only those who do the will of God......you preached in My name and did good works but I never KNEW you. Get away from Me evildoers..
Actually the kingdom is in the hearts of men and only those who have it will be allowed to enter the pearly gates of new Jerusalem and Matt 12:32 "The new world that is coming."
yarrw 2 years ago
Amen, !!
mjmenjivar 2 years ago
Jesus gave Simon bar-Jonah the name Peter.
asa1342 2 years ago
in Jn 1:42 Jesus says Simon will be called Cephas.
yarrw 2 years ago
"Cephas" is Aramaic for rock.
asa1342 2 years ago
So Cephas was his actual name and Peter is the Greek translation which doesn't even sound similar.
yarrw 2 years ago
Yeah-- so? Jesus named him "rock". To make sure that people understood that, the gospel writers translated his name to Petros, or "rock" in Greek. According to his correspondence with Paul, he went by both names later in his life.
asa1342 2 years ago
All this is more like law and government than real faith in God. Cephas is what Jesus called him and I think it was Greek speaking Paul who called him Petros.
Another strange thing is that there were no churches in Jesus' day so that verse is the only one in the 4 gospels which says 'church'. Very convenient.
yarrw 2 years ago
The word ekklesia is all over Acts and the epistles.
asa1342 2 years ago
This is why our family Calvinist church is known as the 'frozen chosen' and also the presbytery(priest).
yarrw 2 years ago
No, you are nicknamed the "frozen chosen" because of your peculiar doctrine of Predestination.
asa1342 2 years ago
1 Pet 2:9 "We are a peculiar people, a chosen nation."
yarrw 2 years ago
1 Pet 2:10 "Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."
asa1342 2 years ago
So you know this verse. it is also in one of the gospel songs in church. To tell the truth, I don't believe in predestination especially from Ephesians 1 (I think)
yarrw 2 years ago
So what are you, if you are not a Calvinist?
asa1342 2 years ago
Religion is a joke. The bible doesn't say we are saved by any particular sect of Christianity or even the original 'Sect of the Nazarenes" Acts 24:5
yarrw 2 years ago
Sure. We aren't saved by a "sect". In fact, St. Paul despised sectarianism, emphasizing the need for unity within the Church. That being said, the ekklesia, or churches, mentioned in the epistles take on a very important role, as community was very important to the early Christians-- Christianity was never meant to be solely an individual endeavor.
asa1342 2 years ago
But Paul was a leader of the sect of the Nazarenes.
yarrw 2 years ago
Paul was not a Nazarene. He did not keep the Old Law of the Jews, he abandoned much of the Old Law, like most Christians, after the Council of Jerusalem in A.D. 49.
asa1342 2 years ago
However Jesus was according to Matt 2:23"He shall be called a Nazarene."
yarrw 2 years ago
That refers to him being from the town of Nazareth, and it fulfills a prophecy. Jesus was never argued to be part of any "sect" in the gospels.
asa1342 2 years ago
The reason for prophesy is to fulfill something from the Old Testament such as Samson the Nazarite. That was a sect that refused to drink alcohol etc.
yarrw 2 years ago
Prophesy isn't limited to whether a guy will cut his hair or drink alcohol. The prophesy mentioned in Matthew 2:23 clearly states that the person in question would be from Nazareth. In fact, the sect of the "Nazarenes" took their name from the town of Nazareth where Jesus lived.
asa1342 2 years ago
So the town of Nazareth could have been the home of this religious sect?
yarrw 2 years ago
Jesus challenged the authority of the pharisees even though they had a tradition going back to Abraham Jn 8:31-59 Why does the church stick to this old 'sin and death' religion. Read Heb 6.
In replacement theology.
The church replaces Israel (New covenant Heb 8:10)
Heaven replaces new Jerusalem (Rev 21/Isaiah 66)
Easter replaces passover
etc.
This religion changes the word of God and commits the same sin as those Judean pharisees.
yarrw 2 years ago
Being LITERATE and reading a Bible, is Not a requirement for Salvation!
'You are Peter and Upon This Rock, I will build My Church'
-Christ-Matthew 16:18
Jesus Christ established a Church—not a book—to be the Foundation of the Christian faith
(Luke 20:29-32; Matt. 10:40
"Stand firm and hold to the Traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter"
(2 Thess. 2:15)
Protestants=Jews Useful Idiots who Abort Babies, Heretics destined for HELL
StSimonOfTrent 2 years ago
Christ spoke Aramaic and nicknamed Simon "Kepha," ("Cephas") which means "Rock."
Matthew 16
The SPIRITUAL Rock, Christ, the High Priest and Head of the Church, authorized Peter to be the earthly Rock, His Vicar, of the Church the father of the New Covenant.
Just as God the Father made Abraham the earthly father of the Old Covenant (Isaiah 51:1-2)
"Feed My lambs; feed My sheep" (John 21:15-17
'And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:'
StSimonOfTrent 2 years ago
There is only one Vicar because only Jesus can forgive sin.
yarrw 2 years ago
Protest-ants lecture us on demonic false ecumenism
Take your universal salvation Apostacy with you and leave us alone.
Outside the church, theres No salvation, no sanctification no remission of sins.
Protest-ants and those who die under perpetual curse of biblical Anathema, descend directly into Hell after death!
TO BE SAVED, YOU MUST HAVE PERFECT CONTRITION, PERFECT CONVERSION, HOLD PERFECTLY THE ON TRINITARIAN PUBLIC PROFESSION OF PROXIMATE FAITH OR AT LEAST A PERFECT DESIRE FOR IT
StSimonOfTrent 2 years ago
There is no universal salvation for the Calvinist 'frozen chosen'. lol !! Religion is a joke.
Jesus only got angry with the religious leaders of his day, so much so that he said (Matt 8:22) "..leave the dead to bury their dead..". What is the use of remission of sin or sanctification if we are DEAD (spiritually) Gen 2:17. Adam, the first son of God died because he broke the one law in Eden. The second Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua) came to give us new LIFE Jn 10:10
yarrw 2 years ago
Clavin was a Jew. Honored as such by Jewish Bnai Brith Society.
Luther was Allied With Jews.
Every Heresy in the Church had Jewish Origins
Now there is Blasphemous 'Judeo-Christinity' which is an Oxy Moron, as Jews killed Christ and Blaspheme them in their Vile TALMUD today with Filthy teachings.
The Elders Christ got upset with were the Jew Elders-'Synaogue of Satan' he called them
(Rev 2:9)
And the Edomite 'Jews' that Christ said were 'Of their Father the Devil' -John 8:44
StSimonOfTrent 2 years ago
When the Samaritan woman spoke to Jesus she called Him a Jew (or Judean) and He didn't deny it (Jn 4:7) even though the prophesy said he would be known as a Nazarite Mt 2:23 (or in acts 24:5 "the sect of the Nazarene")
Ironically the christian churches all have "Replacement theology" which means the church replaces Israel. What about the sin of those Judean pharisees. If you take their place you take their sin also.
yarrw 2 years ago
Christ called the Pharisee Jews... "Snakes, Of Their Father The Devil and Synagogue of Satan'
Those that believe in Christ, his teachings through Works and Faith, as part of The Church, have salvation
Jews, who DENY him, do Not. They are Apostates & Heretics
'Crucify Him! His blood be upon us and our children'
Matt 27:25
Eph 5:14 doesnt replace Christs words
Paul never knew Christ
Typical Protest-ant Drivel
'Except a man be born again, he Cannot see the Kingdom of God
-Christ (John 3:3
StSimonOfTrent 2 years ago
If Christ called them vipers and Satan's children then what what possible logic is there in Replacement theology. If the churches take the place of Israel then we are also snakes end evildoers.
Sound like you have been reading Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and their lies"
yarrw 2 years ago
The Church is The BRIDE of Christ
Jews were 'OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL' -Christ JN 8:44
'THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN'
Rev. 2:9
Romans 11:26 " so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB"
The Israel of God-Galatians 6 (Acts 15:15-18
Romans 10:19-Paul declared Israel received the message, but declined it
Church's Relationship to the New Covenant
-Heb 8:8-13
Jeremiah 3:8 because of Israels Idolatry God divorced her
StSimonOfTrent 2 years ago
In Christianity we have emperor Constantine and his council of Nicaea (325CE) followed by the Council of Laodicea (364CE) which is a foundation of most of the false Christian doctrines.
How can that be any better than the sins of the Pharisees.
Even if Israel(Jacob) declined the salvation message that is between them and God.
Our job should be to listen when God instructs us such as
Mica 8:6 "Hear O man what the LORD requires of you, do justice love kindness and walk humbly with your God"
yarrw 2 years ago
There is Nothing false about Catholic Doctrine
There was ORDER, LAW and JUSTICE.
Now there is a New World Order, thanks to Prots and Jews
Thanks Prots! Thanks Jews!
Abortion, Communism, USURY, Wars, Feminism, Socialism, Liberalism at al, courtesy of them
Catholic Christians are To work for Justice, and call out Sin and Evil.
We are to Rebuke the Pharisees and Seed of Cain.
To refuse these illegal Jew Wars, Abortion, Communism, World Government..
Jews attack the Church
Protocols of Zion #14
StSimonOfTrent 2 years ago
Law order
Is religion meant to be government? I know what Isaiah 9 says but I think that applies only to Jesus.
I have one problem. When is any religion just. This contradicts Micah 6:8
yarrw 2 years ago
@StSimonOfTrent the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 It's only contrary in your head. The church has never taught that Mary can save you, only that she can interseed for you. Confess your sins to one another that you may be healed..ring a bell....Peter is the Rock, so is Christ and so it the confession, you will find this info in the CCC. The Catholic church has never murdered any christians this is rubish.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
Maybe the best answer to this one is Eph 5:14 "Awake sleeper, arise from the dead and Christ shall give you light."
yarrw 2 years ago
Come to think of it; Emperor Constantine. That sounds Greek to me and he came from Asia Minor (now Turkey). Maybe he didn't like Hebrew or Latin because these names Peter, Jesus etc are definitely transliterated from Greek.
yarrw 2 years ago
I can't help but hear inference at 4:13. Will check this out tomorrow. The cornerstone, again, is the highest stone in an archway at the point ^. The metaphor being built up in my mind could place a bigger distinction between Christ and Peter's roles. I why did Jesus call Simon Peter? Does it have nothing to do with the rock Christ mentions in the same sentence? I haven't full understanding on this issue yet so could do with views about "rock" in OT as mentioned on vid.
squashpianoman 2 years ago
Clearly something is is lost in translation. Jesus spoke Hebrew or Aramaic. The new testament codexes are in Greek and then we go from there to Latin or English.
Strong's Concordance 6697 says tsoor means rock or boulder while 5553 Selah means lofty rock or fortress.
yarrw 2 years ago
If something has been lost in translation then perhaps we could turn to Eph2:20 in which the apostles are called the foundations and Jesus the cornerstone. Going back to Mt16:18, lets break it down. We see Jesus calling Simon "rock", we then have Jesus stating that he intends to build His Church on THIS rock. To someone with no bias the Catholic view would be more instinctive. When I say "this" I never mean "me". Can you see our viewpoint?
squashpianoman 2 years ago
Is that the high rock or fortress? That means that Jesus would have used "Selah" ( Hebrew) for Peter. That doesn't even sound similar.
yarrw 2 years ago
If Jesus was any good at grammar I'm sure he would have used the correct word to indicate rock in the ground suitable for a foundation. It was probably Kepha so I am told but we don't have those original manuscripts.
squashpianoman 2 years ago
As in Cephas John 1:42. See Peter's real Hebrew name does appear in the bible.
yarrw 2 years ago
I am not sure what you are getting at. Excuse me for being a little slow. I thought that Cephas wasn't his original name as it not an Aramaic word wheras Kepha is. Will you please explain then how when Jesus speaks of "...this rock", he is refering to himself rather than something other than himself? I am also guessing that you think there is an invisible church to which your Protestant dissenter (on this point) do not belong?
squashpianoman 2 years ago
Don't you know? Presbyterians are the frozen chosen, the priesthood(presbytery). Revelation say the dead in Christ shall rise first. In reality I think its more like Matt 8:22 " ..leave the dead to buy their dead...".
yarrw 2 years ago
Sorry, it was "the rock of my salvation is in God"
squashpianoman 2 years ago
So Jesus is the rock, not the stone. A cornerstone is usually the stone that holds the building together. The foundation, the rock, is what the building rests upon. Are you sure that Jesus wasn't making a distinction between the two? The last example states that the rock is in God or something like that. Could Peter not be in Jesus and vice versa?
squashpianoman 2 years ago
The Greek new testament codex's have words like 'petros' which just means rock but in Hebrew/Aramaic the word 'selah' means high rock or a fortress.
If Jesus spoke Aramaic then shouldn't Peter be Selah.
yarrw 2 years ago
Many protestants also believe that Jesus was refering to Peter: William Hendriksen
member of the Reformed Christian Church, Gerhard Maier
leading conservative evangelical Lutheran theologian, Donald A. Carson III
Baptist and Professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Seminary, John Peter Lange German Protestant scholar. I think also that the distinction between Petros and Petra only existed in the earlier Attic Greek, not in the Koin Greek used during Jesus' time.
squashpianoman 2 years ago
I can't believe modern humans still fall for any version of this outdated mode of control(Christianity) which has absolutely zero sources of historical credibility, except for the fact that the majority of it's principals and rituals are plagiarized versions of preceding religions/cults. Even worse is the fact that this religion like all others before is clearly astro-theology (sun-worship). The biggest incentive for chaos in this world has always been religious difference. We need to wake up...
EnlightnedChickOne 2 years ago
You are correct to a certain degree. Divide and conquer is definitely a valid enemy tactic. However your premise does not invalidate scripture.
Do you believe Zeitgeist is valid? if so I will direct you to a website in which you can make some cash.
Peace
brothert7 2 years ago
I think you should in further detail examine the accuracy of christs existence, powers and divinity. also you should check out the response to zeitgeist that reveals the fiction in Peter Josephs claims.
gordonculp 2 years ago
Emperor Constantine was the founder of Christianity because he made it the official religion of the Roman Empire. What is historically the Western empire is still Christian (the east is Muslim). Constantine was a worshiper of the unconquerable sun (Sol Invictus) even though Jupiter (Jove the father) was the official god of Rome. Coins have been found to prove this fact.
yarrw 2 years ago
@EnlightnedChickOne study the teachings of christ the four gospels do not worry about at first accepting his divinity or any religion that will come in time read the gospels and see for yourself what is right and true but forget what anyone says read the gospels
gtepp031387 1 year ago
I like to see proof where there were many body of churches during the Apostles time.
The truth is there wasn't. There's only one. Those churches that the Apostles est. are called Apostolic Churches which are Catholic.
Jesus never refered to himself as the rock. Where's that in the Bible? He refered to himself as the foundation. If Peter is not the Rock then his name should have stayed as Simon. Peter means rock. In Hebrew his name would have been Cephas, which means Rock.
Naturalhit 2 years ago
Jesus indeed is the ROCK ~~ In contrast the Pope is only a few unstable, untruthful rolling stone.
glizag 2 years ago
The Roman Catholic Church never opposes the idea that Jesus is the Rock, however in the context of Matthew 16:18. it would be understandable even by an elementary student that Peter was the Rock mentioned there.
tambuyaat 2 years ago
In the first 20 seconds of the video he brings up revelations 2&3 as where we "clearly see" that there are different denominations of churches. In those chapters, all are addressed to the churches IN that area, not the church of that area. He is misinterpreting the bible, which God warns us of in 2 Peter 1:20. "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation."
philiptraub 2 years ago
There were not several different churchs, there was one church in several locations.
There is McDonalds, not millions of different Hamberger joints....its like saying McDonalds and Burger King are the same "restaurant"...
voxxpopulisuxx 2 years ago
Jesus is the rock, and Jesus made Peter the rock also.
Jesus is the shepherd, and Jesus made Peter the shepherd also when he said to Peter, "feed my sheep".
Jesus is the king. He appointed the prime minister Peter and gave him the keys so that Peter can carry out Jesus' mission on earth after Jesus ascended to heaven.
mysteriumaenigma 2 years ago
Tell me, because Christ says "I am the light of the world" would you say there is no other light. Well I would but that does not mean it is a contradiction where Jesus says "you are the light of the world", which can be taken to mean Christians are the light of the world. Not two lights but one because Christ shines his light through us. So this guy uses false dichotomy to make his point about the rock. But that is not how scripture should be interpreted.
imromancatholic 2 years ago
Oh and by the way another man was called the rock. "Look to the rock from which you were hewn. Look to Abraham and to Sarah..." It's in Isiaha I think chapt . 8. Interesting, Abrahams life was about faith and so was Peters. Abraham had his name changed by Christ and so did Peter.
imromancatholic 2 years ago
This guy says Jesus is the foundation and somehow this proves Peter can't be the rock. He interprets with dichotomy rather than understanding. Scripture also says that prophets and apostles are the foundation in Eph 2:20. A different foundation than Christ? No for God works through prophets and apostles. It is all due to Christ that they are the fondatin.
imromancatholic 2 years ago
He used two different words for rock because in Konine Greek petra is feminine for rock. Petros is masculine for rock. Both Petros and Petra mean rock. WHere in the Bible does it say Jesus "pointing to himself". The fact is that the passage would not have been spoken in greek. It would have been spoken in Aramaic. And in Aramaic there is ONLY ONE word for rock. Kepha. We in fact know that Aramaic was the spoken word as in other places Peter is called Cephas. A form of the word.
imromancatholic 2 years ago
Weak and limited interpretations, especially concerning the Pope and his authority. Also, why not leave the judging to God. You are no one to say who is part of the Body of Christ and who is not.
GTosca10 2 years ago
who are you to say that YOU believe that some Catholics are not part of the body of Christ...What arrogance!!! The Catholic religion was around a Thousand years before yours...It is from the time of Christ...who are you to interpret the bible better than the Catholics that have been interpreting it for thousand years...what is your education? How long have you been studying the bible? I am sure it is not a thousand years...be careful that your vanity is not your undoing
fusufusu 2 years ago
i noe the pic from 0:17... THE MOST DISTURBING ONE I SAW of the Catholic Church.
Below it says Co-Redeemer :/
markay9tyfawr 2 years ago
there is 30.000 christian churchs, there is only one holy catholic and apostolic church,,, most of the churches cant agree with each othere other wise they would unite and be one, the catholic church is one with the lord, jesus told peter you are the rock of the church. he is our first leader. the protestant church twisted the word of god after it was dividided. the original bible was put together by the catholic church,, (mary) all generations will call her blessed..
its in the bible...
ponchobarragan123 2 years ago
I actually agree with you. I take issue with forced conversion this has been the practice of the roman church for ages and yes Protestants did the same.
No one should be forced in to Serving Christ because its not a genuine conversion.
brothert7 2 years ago
That statement does not blanket or annul the thousands of prophecies found in the bible. I am going to share some basic ones with you.
brothert7 2 years ago
No I did not say it backwards...All that are in Christ are of Abraham's seed.
Exodus man made? Prophecy shoots that down.
Even Genesis records that paganism came before the promise made to Abraham. What do you know about Prophecy? Have you investigated it before you discredit it?
Dont let your anger towards whites and the injustices done to people of color blind your eyes to the Truth.
Because the Bible never supported slavery like what happened in America.
Again what do you know about prophecy?
brothert7 2 years ago
How do you discount bible prophecy that predicted Roman Catholicism and its whore daughter Protestantism. trip I know why your upset because many injustices were committed in the name of Christ but you can track its rots back to Rome. Christ did not ordain this this was done simply for control. I am free to choose what deity I worship. Have you ever looked at Bible prophecy?
brothert7 2 years ago
Would not really care how ancestors feel! I care more about the truth than some man made pagan religion that is found in all continents.
The Truth comes in the form the Word of God that was made flesh.
DId your ancestors god make the world...nope.
My ancestors go back to Abraham...
Jews are not a race of people but a Family of people a mixed multitude according to Exodus. Blacks (plus other races) were apart of this exodus from Egypt.
brothert7 2 years ago
Actually Roman Catholic Church has eliminated those who opposed them throughout the centuries.
But back to your original comment. Christianity was spread to Africa prior to transatlantic slave trade. True many slaves were forced to convert which is wrong.
Some Ethiopians believe that the queen of Sheba brought back a child seeded by Solomon. Point is forced conversion of blacks does not mean Christianity is false.
brothert7 2 years ago
Sounds like a debate! I guess we shall see if I know what I am talking about. You not sayin NOTHING!
brothert7 2 years ago
Those churches though in the start joined to become the universal or catholic church under Christ.
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
we do not worship mary we honor her because she is the mother of jesus and and without the yes of mary we don't have salvation...
if all prostestant do not honor mary as mother of jesus... we filipino catholic are proud to honor mary because she is the mother of god and she is also our model....
catholi2009 2 years ago 5
how can my previous quote of the gospel be seen any different way. Jesus is talking to Peter and the previous is what he said to him. There is too much running around the block to explain it differently in this video for it to be accurate.
lukemca 2 years ago
Matt. 10:2; Mark 1:36; 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:3; 2:37; 5:29 - Peter is mentioned first among the apostles.Matt. 16:17 - Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father. Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.
.And I tell you that you are Peter (means rock), and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."
lukemca 2 years ago
Remember that Jesus spoke Aramaeic and Peter was referred to as "keph' a", or "rock". The context Jesus used as "cornerstone" was entirely different. If you finish MT 16, you'll find Jesus actually DID establish His physical church on Peter. Peter simply followed his Lord's commands. The New Testament is extremely consistent on the Papacy, Catholicism, and the priesthood, even though those terms aren't explicitly used; of course, neither is "Trinity" mentioned nor "Sola Scriptura" or "Sola Fide"
assdaddy29 2 years ago
I would say you need to read the scriptures.
You also need to look at the fruit produced:
PREIST SCANDAL
Preist Cover up
Pedophile Priest. From water down Christianity (Catholicism)
All I am trying to do is get you to experience Christ out side of a corrupted church which teaches FALSE Doctrines which will never allow you to grow. I know better than to believe these false doctrines made by men NOT GOD......This is going no where.... Peace
brothert7 2 years ago
What is the definition of saint?
brothert7 2 years ago