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  • and they call this country the land of the free. my ass. ugh.

  • We need to start throwing these people in stockades.

  • WHAT PROGRAM DO YOU USE TO MAKE THIS KIND OF VIDEO, MESSAGE ASAP PLZ!

  • That's it. I'm not buying lemonade or girl scout cookies again until I see some papers!

  • Good Video; so true nowadays and unfortunately it's only going to get worse.

  • I don't see what the problem is, wouldn't it make more sense for us to all have to get a license for everything? I for one find it incredibly offensive when a kid on my street sells lemonade without a government license, the world would be so much better if we all just stopped thinking and asking questions and let the government make all the decisions for us! great video with great points

  • @comradebashu it's all fun and games until the kid pees into the pitcher.

  • @americanjedi77 Corporation and government go hand in hand, I guess since I don't have royal bloodlines, then my hopes for a business won't happen.

  • Why should we be monitored by those who aren't monitoring themselves? I'm ready to start working, and my employer is still waiting for his license...and they are taking forever...

    The government should spend more time to monitor and license themselves...

  • The spirit of the entrepreneur is a threat to the bullshit government that exist now, we are the ones that pose the greatest threat to the status quo we develope new and better products and more effecient processes that threaten big business and they try to keep us down by any means necessary legal and criminal. But it will not work we will continue to strive forward independently despite failures because that is what makes us entrepreneur's 1000 failures to 1 success is a challenge we love!

  • Everyone is equal on the internet, for now.

    You can save money with free advertising and sites like Mybusybiz can help out.

  • I'm getting an accounting major and an unofficial entrepreneurship major from a business school. Sadly, in the current state of things, I'll never be able to employ myself. This is such bullshit.

  • 34 Politicians hate this!

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  • notice how all of these laws are local? Regulations on the federal level are much more fair to everyone like EPA and Justice system. Isnt this an argument against local government?

  • @luvbotany This doesn't even begin to cover federal regulations... That's a whole 'nother story.

  • @Eagle1Division2 no your wrong Eagle. Show me which reg. you dont want? Clean air? fair employment? clean water? Disease free food? Immigration?

  • @luvbotany Obama has proposed reclassifying all farm vehicles as Commercial Motor Vehicles. Farmers would have to get commercial licenses, keep logs and track of the hours they work and sleep, how many miles their vehicles travel, pass all the rigerous tests and detailed paperwork semi drivers do, and pay all the fines and fees associated.

    Try impossible EPA regulations: "A Manufacturers Alliance study estimated that the EPA ozone regulations would eliminate 7.3 million jobs by 2020"

  • @luvbotany oooh. Here's a good one. How about the restrictions on drilling for natural gas and oil? Liberals just hate them so much, and hop on the anti-oil bandwagon; crap happens.

    We could literally join OPEC, literally cause our economy to soar, and most of all be oil-independent from the middle-east, if we could put more off-shore drilling rigs and drill Alaska.

    You know what this means? We wouldn't be slaves to OPEC's prices, we wouldn't have to keep paying...

    (continued...)

  • @luvbotany (continued...)

    middle-eastern countries, and funding terrorist organizations like Al Quada and the Taliban by buying their oil. We would literally be saving thousands of human lives while our economy would rapidly grow.

    But no. Some people complained a few tens of the almost TWO MILLION square km's of Alaskan wilderness would be taken, and some caribuo might not be able to mate or whatever because of a pipe. So big brother government steps in and says NO to that solution.

  • @Eagle1Division2 Ok i get it, you dont care about clean air, you dont care that Exxon and BP ruin fishing and other wild lands. And your full of crap if u think banks were forced to give loans to ppl with bad credit, they did it because there was LESS regulations, not more. So in essence, your argument is that you think some regulations are dumb so they should go away. Your completely mistaken on every single point you made. We dont need less reg's, we need many many many more.

  • @luvbotany More laws and regulations never solved any problems they only create more bullshit agencies and useless gov jobs that are a leach on the working people of this country

  • @luvbotany Obama's administration has literally been bypassing congress in order to pass insane regulations that his own party won't pass. His weapon of choice is the EPA. I'm sorry, but there is an amount of Co2 that will necessarily be produced with industry. I personally don't mind a slightly more orange sunset if it's the difference in-between a depression, jobless economy and a thriving nation. And frankly, it's massively overstated, pollution is.

  • @luvbotany Sure, regulations were fine in the 1940's, some level of regulation is required. But it's gone completely bonkers in recent years. What's this huge deal about ethenol gas? It's a scam. It takes just as much Co2 emission to produce it as is saved from burning it instead of pure gasoline.

    Or regulations on silicon valley start-ups: ..."investors would need assets of more than $2.3 million (up from $1 million) or income of more than $450,000 (up from $250,000)"

  • @Eagle1Division2 ? startups in silicon valley? your talking about someone who gets preferential treatment in the tax code because he made a qualified investment. They did that because of SEC enforcement of insider trading and, money laundering and tax cheats.

  • @luvbotany Or what about regulations that require banks to give out loans to people with bad credit? Oh, sure, "giving them a second chance" sounds really nice, except that's exactly what caused the housing bubble to pop. People couldn't pay their loans because banks were being forced and/or rewarded for giving out dangerous loans, and Obama's going to do the same thing with student loans and cause a student loan crash just like the housing crash, the exact same way. Forcing bad loans

  • this is the new slavery age welcome every one

  • It's things like this that just scream for the re-institution of the constitution. We need to get back to it and pronto. No more bureaucracy and no more lobbying.

  • @HawkABillySwan no.... i meant.... what..... dude... i just avoid taxes... im 16 bro

  • fuck that.... i break laws...

  • That is just horrible!!! WTF balloons can't advertise anything but cars and all that shit just to own a food cart? I guess it's true. "if your not angry your not paying attention" that is fucked up.

  • It just sucks paying people to go to work.

  • My dad has his own business and he doesn't fucking need a commercial owned property... His business is called Environmental Solutions :)

  • Yes, because we would all love living next to Sanford and Son. This is coming from someone who runs a home business, in a CC&R covered neighborhood.

    As long as the 'home business' doesn't infringe upon "quiet enjoyment" (look it up, that's an actual legal term), then they CAN'T say anything.

    This video is utter bullshit, preying on emotions and the uneducated masses.

  • @SonnyTheWhiteDwarf

    The Swedish government is greedy and obtrusive, compassionate is somewhat of a misnomer really if you look at the tax rates there.

  • Move to Canada! $60 and your in business!

  • @jackpontiac52 really! im moving to canada!

  • Tell me how do I start a consumer protection (racketeering)business. I want a piece of the goverment's "action".

  • @burtonh1

    Racketeering? In Indianapolis if you get a moving violation ticket you have the option to pay the fine OR throw in an extra $100 and they'll forget about it.

  • You should be able to just buy yourself a small office, put a sign out saying "Bobs PC Repair" and that should be your business

  • The people who control the US, ie the elite group who hold the power and tell your Fed Res what to do, dont want the US to improve it's economy. They want to run it in to the ground, devalue the dollar, ship jobs to china because it's cheaper and they make more money. Once your countries fucked, and it's not far off economically, then they'll tear it apart even more and sell it to the highest bidder. Greece, Ireland & Spain, only reason you not in that group is bcos the $ is the world reserve.

  • America, Land of the free....MY ASS !

  • I actually had the same idea as Chuck with computers. I'm a certified PC technician, but now work in the food service industry because there was so much garbage I had to go through just to work for my self LEGALLY!

  • Yeesh. :/

  • start-ups should not be taxed at all at any level until they are profitable - THAT would get the economy going again

  • It makes cents and dollars too! lol silly business men, money is for the government

  • Hurray for the black market!

  • blame the liberals chuck. The regulation we have today and taxes we have today is due to liberal Republicans and Liberal Democrats ideas. All they talk about taxing the rich(people who make 250k or more) and more regulation. That is their solution 90% of the time when they open their mouth. More regulations and more taxation. To me that says Less freedom and little success to take a chance to become wealthy in ones lifetime.

  • I'm sure the dislikes are from government employees.

  • "The First Amendment... How quaint" hahaha wow.

    And here I was about to start my own business.

  • @SonnyTheWhiteDwarf Government is all about income, profit and greed.

  • It takes one day to setup a business in Hong Kong. I mean, it seems like the spirit of freedom migrated from America to there.

  • @oofnik1 Your right, better to punish those 100 honest business owners in order to try to protect people from the 1 bad one. After all, we can't risk "our collective faith in the free market" on the 1 in 100 chance of someone being ripped off because they are too stupid to investigate purchases before putting money in.

  • governments suck.

  • 4:45 haha

  • Economics is the study of choices. Place barriers to choices and watch the chain of causes and effects change.

  • Very cute propaganda film designed to play in to the fundamental American quest for individual liberty. While government regulation does often stifle entrepreneurship, the video conveniently leaves out an essential reason for the existence of government regulation. For every hundred honest business owners out there, there's one bad apple who drops the ball by selling a lemon car, spoiled produce, or fraudulent insurance policy, all which inevitably erode our collective faith in the free market.

  • @oofnik1 True, and they don't last long as the business practices of those bad apples are soon discovered by consumers. It is knee-jerk to demand that the force of law replace the non-violent and voluntary transactions between free people. It also betrays a lack of faith in people, and an eagerness to control behind the barrel of a gun.

  • @oofnik1 Sorry but most of the large corporation in insurance, banking and many others are fraudulent at this very moment in the usa. GMOs are based on fraudulent research and you eat them everyday. This is something that this video doesn't deal with either.

  • @oofnik1 fraud is theft. It can be handled the same way as other crimes, by criminal law. Contract disputes can be (and currently are) handled by courts also.

    Anyway such arguments miss the point of free markets. A free market means freedom to engage in consensual transactions. Economic regulations outlaw particular consensual transactions.

  • The best consumer protection is a competitive marketplace.

  • As a caveat to my last post, believe me I hate bureaucracy as much as anyone, but the idea that businesses without any type of regulation will always do the right thing (and not engage in the same bureaucratic cronyism that they hate) is as naive as a believing in a socialist utopia.

  • @plaidchuck There's no such thing as cronyism without regulation, that's how it works. Without a government (gasp!) businesses would actually have to compete in a free market, FREE of regulation, tax breaks, and bailouts.

  • @amanuscar

    Here is the problem though. For lack of a better term "cronyism" is evolutionarily preprogrammed in mammals. For humans in particular, we are genetically driven to protect our connection to the future, i.e. our kin, starting with children and branching out to siblings, cousins, etc. From there we also look out for those perceived to be a member of our various in-groups, (cont)

  • @amanuscar

    (cont) and even there we will look out for out-group members if they have done favors for us or vice versa, or if they can grant us to a perceived advantageous resource in the future. If you are of the viewpoint that true altruism doesn't exist, then it is even more evident as no individual does something without some kind of benefit to himself.

  • yeap businesses don't want regulations but they also don't want workers to have the right to complain.. can't make everyone happy i guess is the moral of the story.

  • Ut-oh. Now I'm worried. 10 years ago I started a business in my home selling toys retail over the Internet.

    All I did was get a "home occupation" permit (took 1 download, one stamp to mail in and a week to get approved), a county business "doing business as" licence ($10) and a Virginia tax/sales tax certificate.

    Then I bought some stuff, set-up a webpage and Ebay store and have been selling for a decade.

    Did I do something wrong? Is Big Brother government coming for me?

  • @bsabruzzo Lucky for you. All new business will be the ones affected by new regulations. But yours will stay intact. No new regulating required. The average businessmen will, in fact, be elated about that.

  • Notice how all the complaints are local city regulations?

    Even if Libertarians wet dreams likely don't involve eliminating city governments.

  • @greyflcn

    Libertarians very often do criticise city governments. In fact ReasonTV awarded the city of San Francisco with Nanny of the Year.

    watch?v=nVG8ntpyDOM

  • @greyflcn

    Actually libertarianism is simply against over-regulation and big government at every level, not just federal/national levels.

  • Too much regulation, that's the problem. The government needs more slaves..

  • Brilliant!

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  • This video is telling the truth, this is the very reason why we are in this condition. Live at home.

  • The "Wests'" industry has had the breaks put on until the rest of the World reaches a certain level of industry and personal income so that total integration becomes the obvious choice once everyone has been degraded to the point of "anything as long as I can feed my Family"

  • Love it - I've had a business for 17 years - had to shut the doors because of audits, compliance and fees

  • @Judibertels1959 same here, after 30 years self employment i quit. Why work for a devalued dollar if bernanke can just print it. Makes no sense to work anymore.

  • “... when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed.” – Ayn Rand

  • This points out the insanity that we've been coerced into accepting and what's leads many to the saying "that's just the way it is". Sorry Sheeple, NO IT IS NOT !

    We need to start standing up for the freedom that America was founded on and stop the nightmare of micromanagement so that we can innovate and lead as the free people that God intended us to be.

  • @bigpicturerick America was founded on the backs of slaves and the blood of Native Americans.

    America has NEVER been about freedom.

  • @outwrangle ...yah, man. We should totally stop fighting for liberty and freedom man, and let the government run all the businesses because of the historical problems all nations suffer.

  • And people wonder why there are so many pimps and crack dealers....

    

  • One wonders how much further people need to get pushed before they just say NO MORE! Why do people follow laws that crooks make and break themselves? There is no rule of law for those who "make" them, so why are we supposed to be sheep and follow them? Just say NO!

  • Corruption is global - it takes the form of beauracracy.

  • I believe a lot of the regulations for small businesses exist because of all the lawsuits in the United States combined with illegal stuff that people have done in the past. You figure every regulation was created because someone did something to abuse the system. I am definitely not trying to justify that it is right. In fact I think all of the regulations on everything are horrible and cost people more than if there was less regulation but more abuse.

  • unions destroyed American industries.

  • @icemilitia They started out as a good idea, but yes, that's what they have become.

  • This video really makes me sick. Every god damn year the fucking government tells us how harder we have to work, have faith, blah blah blah. And who is it all for? THEM, not us.

  • 22 people who pressed the "dislike" button love government hand-outs and still live in their grandma's basement....

  • How did you calculate where the ridiculous laws from the mentioned cities were introduced, and more importantly, where the progress bar would be?

  • Typical libertarian retard crap. Show us an actual person being stopped from a business as shown and not some unenforced antiquated law.

  • @robertmike57

    typical republicon / democrap 2-headed monster response...

  • @robertmike57

    The news reports on stories similar to these roughly once a month. About a month back a woman was arrested for selling flowers from her home. I'm a Libertarian Socialist, and I believe (or ACCEPT) that regulations and government policies purposely harm smaller companies so Corporations have less competition. In fact even Corporations themselves are artificial creations of the government. At the end of the day the government is here to protect big business.

  • @FlashVirus Give a link, doubt if someone selling flowers as a hobby was arrested as a 1st resort, a full fledged business in a residential area would impose a burden on residents in a given area, hence zoning ordinances. A once a month report is hardly an indication of a huge problem.

  • @robertmike57 I saw an article in the new york time, about a littler girl in Summer of 2010 was selling Lemonade outside her yard and she was fined 5,000 selling without a permit. She was about 8 years old.

  • @jinha911

    I remember that...

  • Whoriticians working for their pimps, the bloodsucking banksters.

  • @nameofthepen , nOm, I was on this very subject last eve, trying to explain why..even though the "Shrouded Marxist State" has "all but collapsed it's public sector" and is now begging the "Private Sector" to bail it out, the apathy and bureaucratic bullshit hurdle and Stasiesque Political Officials cause a non starter before you even think of trying.

    Further proof of another failed attempt at Communism..how many more times in the space of a century does it need fail.Doh.. (_8^(|) It Ends in War

  • wat a funny video :D i like wen he tried to fix unimployment rates :D

  • I thought this was the land of the free. I guess not.

  • I am a small business owner of 19 years. This is so acurate for the BS encountered at all levels, and it seems to increase each and every year.

  • The government has two agendas, first is to grow itself, it's only other agenda is to protect that ability to grow, it will step on and smash anyone or anything that gets in the way of those two things. It's not personal, much like most people who walk along, oblivious to the little ants they step on getting from point A to point B. It's time to shrink that giant back down to size and have it do the job it was supposed to do in the first place.

  • Regulators, just like unions have outlived their usefulness. They were necessary and needed at one time, but now they have grown to out of control fraudulent organizations that are used in very bad ways.

    Then they scream that we wont be safe unless we keep them in place.

    Sounds like the mob to me.

  • Federal stimulus grows government which kills jobs. Nuff said.

    CUT GOVERNMENT GROWTH OR WE ARE DOOMED.

  • I fail to understand why slaughterhouse abuses mean that small businessmen need tons of regulations on them. But that seems to be the argument from the left on this video.

  • Well, f* it Chuck; rob a bank. You don't need a business license to do that...yet :)

  • WELL CHUCK, DON'T LOOK BACK BUT IN THE MIDST OF THE WIORST UNEMPLOYMENT IN GENERATIONS THE usa IS STILL BRINGING IN OVER 100,000 FOREIGN WORKERS ON MOSTLY FRAUDULENT VISA PROGRAMS.

    THATS RIGHT CHUCK, AN EXTRA MILLION WORKERS A YEAR TO COMPETE WITH YOU.

    BUSINESS SAYS THEY ARE THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST, BUT REALLY ONLY THE CHEAPER AND YOUNGER, NOW GO ADD 20 MILLION ILLEGALS THAT DON'T BOTHER WITH REGULATIONS AND GOODBYE CHUCK

  • Shakespeare was right: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

  • @mbabist01 Well not all the lawyers. Those guys at IJ are pretty good. Let's not toss out the baby with the bathwater.

  • I have but ONE QUESTION??? What we gonna do about it?..

  • @dmhappy2777 Revolution?

  • The government has become a parasite on the American people... In EVERY SENCE OF THE WORD. This is another reason why this nation is dead.

  • The government has become a parasite on the American people... ID EVERY SENCE OF THE WORD. This is another reason why this nation is dead.

  • Seriously, who gave this a thumbs down???? What kind of douche bag wasn't informed by this video?? Excellent video guys.

  • @TorontoBoi

    28 beaurocrats have watched this video!

  • I'm sorry. You need 350 permits to show this video. You also need an $4 million insurance policy, large Emergency Exit Signs posted all pver the page where you are showing this video and complimentary $100,000 insurance policies for all viewers.

    Assuming you ever want to remove this video you need double the above and all audio withdrawal apologies or notices must also be posted in Cantonese and Mandarin as a minimum.

    Apply to your local authorities for the relevant permits immediately.

  • Chuck should become an Agorist.

  • @MDThomas01 Sounds like Chuck WAS an Agorist. What could be more free market than deciding to start a business in your garage, on a whim, without permission? The whole point of this video is that the real free market capitalists can't perform the way they SHOULD be able to perform in this fake free market capitalist system.

  • This is amazingly true and well done.

  • Is this the American freedom that evildoers around the world hate so much?

  • @GatorHoy it's called the "American dream" because you have to be asleep to see it.

  • Free enterprise was one of the things that made America big.

    The EU is far, far worse, though. I can no longer buy 100W or 75W lightbulbs thanks to lovely EU bureaucrats. And soon I will no longer be able to buy herbal medicine in pharmacies (unless it's been licenced and patented by big pharma).

    This is worse than communism.

  • @RachelBartlett Big pharma is worse than you can imagine. They have pushed out smaller manufactures of good medicine that works for children with chronic illnesses. Only to push their own medicine which kills children because it does not work. But they do not care because they are still making a profit. And, they do not face harsh regulations from the fda because they are big enough to pay the hush money.

  • @RachelBartlett

    It's coming to america soon. I'm stocking up.

  • Ok, I see what the point of this video is, but there's a reason for all these regulations. To prevent piracy, to prevent people from getting sick from businesses that do not practice hygiene, etc.

    On the other hand, there are some regulations that are just plain stupid, like the balloon one, or not being able to start a business from your garage.

  • @iammetx, all regulations are stupid. Period.

  • @Houshalter So you're for produce farms not having health standards? You're ok with people not being trained on how to properly handle food, etc?

    IMHO, there's certain instances when regulations are good. Like I said, there are other instances when I don't see what the point of them are, like not being able to work from your garage or hire employees, etc. There may be a good reason for it, but I don't see what it would be.

  • @iammetx, you don't seem to understand. Being trained and having a set of standards does not imply regulations. Your local grocery store isn't going to sell food that is at risk of poisoning you. They would probably get sued. Their insurance would have to cover it, and their insurance would set standards and/or raise rates accordingly. The victims actually recieve compensation, the free market adapts faster and more efficiently then government can, no risk of over regulation. Everybody wins.

  • @Houshalter I see.  Good point. Thanks.

  • @iammetx Amish farms have been producing for over 100 years, there have yet to be any complaints there.

    Typical retarded bureaucrat.

  • @mbabist01 The only one acting retarded here is you. You obviously don't read peoples comments and just jump to conclusions. Thank whatever god exists that you're not the one making any important life saving decisions lest someone dies from your stupidity. Moron!

  • @iammetx Yes, you are LAME! Regulations are put there by politicians who have been influenced by lobbyists working for large companies seeking to stomp out all competition. Or, are you one of those retarded BUREAUCRATS who has a rule book for a brain?

  • @mbabist01 Lame is believing that every business is run like an Amish farm. We nd SOME regulations in order 2 protect the community as a whole. If u had actually taken time 2 read my comments, I said I agree that there are times when regulations 4 certain businesses are ridiculous, but u can't expect a library, for ex., 2 not have any regs when u are putting artists @ risk of piracy, or a restaurant 2 sell beer w/o a lic. that ensures they know the rules 2 underage drinking & drunk driving, etc.

  • @iammetx Consumers are better than any regulatory regime at finding mechanisms to respond to irresponsible businesses. If it becomes known that a restaurant is dirty, people won't eat there and it will go out of business. You don't want to eat at a restaurant that passes the low bar of the health department.

    Then there's private industry standards set by organizations like Underwriter's Laboratories, Kosher or Halal food practices, etc, all far more effective than the FDA or CSPC.

  • @iammetx regulations, like unions have outlived their usefulness. They were good at one time, but now not so much.

    Let the free market work and it will. People are the best regulators.

  • Anti-Regulationists: Bolding sending America forward to the Ninteenth Century. For more detailed information on the glories of a Deregulated Society look up Upton Sinclair's book "The Jungle".

  • @ImperatorZor What kind of regulations were put on Sinclair

    to make sure he was telling the truth rather than propagandizing

    for socialism? I seem to recall that he revealed himself in a letter

    to that effect. The upshot of Upton's crusade seems to be that the larger

    companies drove out their smaller competitors through regulation.

    And people still get sick, but you can't sue the FDA for it. Rather,

    the more they fail the more protection money they extort from you.

    What say you?

  • Citation Needed

  • @ImperatorZor heh, check out the City Studies page on IJ's website for cites to all the roadblocks that got in poor ol' Chuck's way.

  • @ImperatorZor The book was a novel. Sinclair was a socialist.

    The book was pushing socialism. If you want to cite his own

    words on the matter, you can search for them.

    I asked if he was regulated. He was not. He was free to lie and

    propagandize and make false claims to further his agenda of

    destroying liberty, stealing property, and controlling others.

    Do you think people like him should be regulated?

  • So freedom of speech ONLY applies to anti-regulationist advocates? What a lovely double standard you have there.

    For another source sugjest you watch "The Worst Jobs in History" to see what a no regulation society was like. Also, look up concepts such as "Insider Trading" and what unregulated finance created (hint: 1929). Policies of Regulation and oversight are were made in RESPONCE of the messes and failures that stem from blind faith in the Holy Invisible Hand.

  • @ImperatorZor Your suggestion of "Worst Jobs in History" isn't a good comparison. You'll find that the vast magority of those horrible jobs are a result of not having the technilogical advancements that come about to make jobs safer and less horrible. To suggest that the lack of regulation is the cause of those conditions is comparing apples to oranges.

  • @ImperatorZor You didn't answer the question. Do you think people like him should be regulated? Who should regulate the regulators? Who regulates the thieves that just stole trillions of dollars from American taxpayers in order to give to corrupt bankers so they could have record bonuses? Is that your understanding of "regulation"? You don't even know what the hell you're talking about. Regulation is nothing but racketeering. That's why big business pushes for it against competitors.
  • @MillionthUsername

    You know the last time we had nigh-unregulated markets? Mass poverty, child labour, a gigantic divide between rich and poor and the destruction of the middle class. The Gilded Age, that lovely time of Pullman towns and workers rights that amounted to you being fired and having to pay a fine if you got crippled for life in a work accident. Social security was invented by Otto von Bismarck. Hardly a pinko commie. He jsut saw the social powder keg and defused it.

  • @Magni56 And now that we have heavily regulated markets, all those problems are solved! Child labor is down, and... well never mind.

  • @spongessuck1

    Seen any 8-year-olds pulling 12-hour shifts lately? That's what unregulated markets produce. The fact is that a completely unregulated market will cause the formation of monopolies and oligopolies andnwithout any government interfernece, these corporations will become the de facto government. Middle class? Hah, forget it, that kind of competition gets exterminated by the big guys before it ever gets off the ground.

  • @Magni56 Learn some economics. It is governments that create monopolies

    because the state is a monopolist of violence. It issues edicts backed

    by violence. It is this power which the immoral businessmen and other

    special interests crave so that they can limit competition or gain

    some advantage over others through law rather than consumer choice.

    Monopolies and cartels can't survive a free market because there is

    no artificial barrier to entry.

    You have the economics exactly backwards.

  • @Magni56 "Seen any 8-year-olds pulling 12-hour shifts lately?"

    No. They are forced to attend the socialist indoctrination centers

    all day long to learn about how freedom and rights are evil, and how

    psychotics with guns who run your life are your saviors.

  • @Magni56 Free markets result in mass poverty? Well, then

    we must eliminate freedom, says the man with the gun in your

    face.

    I don't know where to even start with people like you because

    all you do is repeat mind-numbingly idiotic socialist rhetoric

    that was crammed down your throat about how society will

    fall apart unless it is run by violent gangs of control freaks.

    Let's start with something basic. Do you believe that human

    beings have rights?

  • @MillionthUsername

    Take a look at the GIlded Age. History agrees with me, not you. Perfect laissez-faire markets will directly result in the non-existence of a middle class, zero social mobility and a divide between rich and poor so massive that an eventual collapse of society becomes inevitable. You end up with either a corporate or a communist dictatorship, depending on who wins the inevitable violent outbreak. Violent gangs of control freaks? You mean like the robber barons you idolise?

  • @Magni56 You are a walking talking communist tract.

    Explain how liberty and free exchange create "mass poverty."

    Explain how free trade creates "dictatorship."

    I don't know which "robber baron" you refer to. I don't

    idolize people anyway. I simply believe in natural rights and

    the non-aggression principle.

    Yes, the people that run the world actually ARE violent control

    freaks. Just try disobeying their edicts and you'll find out.

  • @MillionthUsername

    Here's a little shocker for you: Government regulations and social programs exist because some smart people, beginning with a guy named Bismarck, saw the inevitable clusterfuck and decided to prevent it.

    And for all your empty rethoric, I'd rather have an elected government setthe rulles instead of a bunch of ultra-rich jerks only interested in their own short-term gain. Completely unregulated market today? Hope you enjoy earning less than the common chinese factory worker.

  • @Magni56 Social programs exist because violent immoral

    men with guns will put you in a cage and steal your property

    if you refuse to be looted to "support" such socially destructive

    schemes.

    Those "ultra-rich jerks" just stole trillions from us. How did they

    do it? It was handed to them by the jackasses that you worship.

    You don't even have a clue that the banking scam is the PRODUCT

    of "regulation," do you?

    You have an utterly ignorant and completely inverted view of reality.

  • Logical Fallacy, Freedom is not an all or nothing thing. The reasons why constitutions define freedoms is the fact that we have. For example, i do not have the Freedom to smash your head in with a cricket bat. Nor do i have the freedom to dumb a thousand tonnes of Radioactive waste on your residents. Or to screem "FIRE" in the middle of a crouded theater.

    Freedom is not apsolute, stop pretending that it is. The Nature of the Constitution is that SOME freedom is surrendered for the Greater Good

  • @ImperatorZor Freedom doesn't mean that you are "free" to

    go around violating other people's rights. But that is exactly what

    people like you do! So what the hell are you trying to say???

    To say that people have rights is to say that they have EQUAL

    rights. There is no "right" to harm another person, and no one

    said there was.

    You are the one doing the harm. You apparently approve of

    economic tyranny. You are the one advocating violence and

    the destruction of human rights. Wake up.

  • You speak of Tyranny, but you desire to remove power from the Elected Democratic authorities bound by constitutions that are accountable to the citizenry and leave it to be picked up by the Corperations who are accountable only to their Shareholders (and in praticular the big shareholders) and only bound to them by a promise to them to show annual profits.

    You speak of Equality, but not all people are shareholders. Face it, what you are in favor of is Oligarchy and Plutarchy (rule by the rich)

  • @ImperatorZor I didn't elect anyone. I never signed over my rights.

    And no gov't is "bound" by any "constitution". That is a simple fact of history

    with overwhelming undeniable evidence.

    States begin by conquest and are ruled by violence and the threat of

    violence.

    I am NOT in favor of anyone ruling anyone, so stop lying. All human beings

    have the SAME rights. NO ONE may violate the RIGHTS of another.

    No one may initiate force against another.

    Argue against that.

  • "No one may initiate force against another."

    Even to prevent unessisary force being used upon others?

    Even to put an end to slavery? (US Civil War)

    Even to stop the third Reich?

    Even to neutralize the established threat of a criminal?

    Force is a nessary tool. And you have benefited from birth from government programs, Education, Police, Roads, Public Utilities.

  • @ImperatorZor Look up the word INITIATE. "Force is a necessary tool." Yes, to tyrants. You've demonstrated that you have no ethic. Your "ethic" is FORCE. "And you have benefited" So then maybe I should return the favor and benefit others through force, theft, fraud, coercion, regulation, graft, corruption, war profiteering, etc. Then I would be "good". Right? I have a good program that will benefit you, so you will need to give me half your income. Should I send my agent to collect?
  • A government needs to use force to work. It need force to make sure that the laws mean something. It needs force to mantain order. It needs to use power to make sure that others don't use force, those which are going to be alot less willing to listen to people for their opinions on matters or concerned about the comment.

    Saying that force is never to because it can be abused is like saying you should not eat because if you eat too much, your stomarch will burst and you will die.