Ornette Coleman and Mark Kostabi

[TehGav]

Hey Kostabi, give the sax player some.

[nobodady1]

Put it this way --- not the best for Ornette.

[Kostabi1982]

123,017 views must mean something...

[saxtommy]

Listen PIERTOMAS DELL'ERBA

[HUTUMAGIC]

that was worse torture than fapping with sandpaper

[ModernBrush]

all these listeners probably deaf. otherwise its torture to hear it!

[catcatalyst]

Well I think its a really nice compliment between the two instruments

[ceppov]

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[strasse38]

Did you hear the one about the artist assistant who was working in the Kostabi art factory making his paintings? Apparently the assistants produced and even titled works largely unchecked (that should give you some idea of the scale of the operation). One of these 'Kostabi' paintings emerged on the market entitled - 'I was a slave in the Mark Kostabi studio.'

Kostabi is a abominable fraud.

Thank you

x

[StoneMaestro]

how on earth does the sax know what the piano is going to play next? If he simply reacts to chords that have already been played then there will be a point when a new chord happens and how would he know which one?

[StoneMaestro]

or is it just the call and answer technique all the way through, it sounds like the piano is leading the sax

[seamuslowe]

Collective improvisation man, not sure about kostabi, but certainly ornette will view both instruments as equally important, with neither leading the other particularly; i think that the pianos heaviness in this is probly a good example of why ornette usually prefers not to play with harmony instruments

[ADURG1]

i wanted to mute the piano...not that it sounds bad...but what Ornette is playing seemed more 'important' to me...

[fredofly]

theyre playing in two different languages

[cheviotte]

M.K. is such a joke: he is like the shit of an ego.

Mr Coleman is toooo nice! Long live Ornette.

A fan.

[hollywoodboys]

what the fuck is this?

ornette sounds like shit.

its like somebody fucking screeching over the beauty of the piano.

[cwaldo1]

Ornette Coleman is probably the most important musician living today. Enough said.

[FutureNose]

Anybody who is critical of Ornette Coleman at this stage is pretty much an idiot...

[kevinherbert]

FutureNose: your glib, subjective claim on OC indicates that indeed you nose nothing...

[kcidx]

The Mars Volta would totally kick this guys ass.

[timothypetergreen]

thats a very stupid thing to say

[timothypetergreen]

the mars volta probably worship this guy

[Soul74]

They do.

[maddohartlepool]

You obviously don't understand the difficulty of being able to improvise over such complex altered chords, with tonal extensions that that aren't exactly planned out in advance.

'Musicians' such as Mars Volta use bog-standard chord grips that only ever get as difficult as a m7 or maj7 chord, but usually just maj, min or 5 chords.

It doesn't exactly take any musical talent to come up with a few sounds with such simplistic musical devices.

Ornette Coleman's note choice here is pure genius.

[kevinm4435]

o.c.'s not about chords; in fact, quite the opposite.

[kevinherbert]

maddohartlepool: with inane, meaningless statements about structure such as you've made, I expect you're the kind of player who should devote their 'musical' talents to making instruments, not playing them...

[similak01]

Haha, I`m laughing hard! kcidx, you obviously a big fan of these "Mars" dudes. So far so acceptable. But suggesting that these musicians might kick OC`s ass is ridiculous. Seems that you don`t know what you talking about. Even if Coleman becomes 100 years old he would kick more asses with his freedom than any other so called free improvising musician! He invented the improvisation and is still evolving on the highest level! Bow down, you music fan!

[SuPerJEwHatEr]

Do you have Down's Syndrome?

[19bluesman87]

is it too acid for you?

[jegonus]

You like it? That's good enough.

[JRicky]

And when I say poor tone, I'm not talking about the honks and bends; I understand those since they're used so often by jazz soloists.

In conclusion, how can this taste which so appreciates this noise be called "musical?" By the way, I'm in no way doubting the skill that this musician has, I just don't appreciate the music he plays.

[JRicky]

Why put your faith in the theory that because we don't understand anything this guy's playing or because we may even dislike it, we are merely misunderstanding some musical genius? I never thought that misunderstanding was believing and that those who like poor tone and random (almost) soloing while most of the time not ever trying to work with your accompaniment have "musical taste."

[dojomania]

To all the negative commentors... who put you in charge of musical taste? Who are you to decide what is "tuneful" and what isn't? Are you THAT superior? Should we all bow down to YOU? The fact that you feel you can show disrespect towards his music is more objectionable !

[dojomania]

Ornette is one of the few remaining jazz greats. I first listened to "Una Muy Bonita" 30 years ago, and because of the nature of Ornette's harmonies ( yes , there is a definite harmony here ) it is always fresh, and beautiful.

[fuelsaving]

Love the video

[SeanithanEgan]

And that's how you do.

[jeph63]

Luckily, I wrote this piece. As such, I understand every nuance. Send your parable to all renounced contusion.

[csufgrad80]

Hey what's with all the negative response. It's just two guys playing together, expressing their art. Perhaps this sound is touching something in you that you're afraid of. Focus in, pinpoint what's being rubbed the wrong way and perhaps you will experience a rare awakening.

[kimkeever]

Hi Mark, Nice playing. Would like to hear more.

[robbiefields]

Part VI

... in fact, Mark is celebrated in Estonia, his parents' birthplace, as much for his work in classical music as for his pictorial art. And for a pianist more associated with classical music, Kostabi holds his own in the improvisation department and stays true to his innate lyricism with some deft playing here.

Lots of interesting camera angles and atmosphere shots and rather good sound quality but fewer cuts between shots would have been welcome.

[robbiefields]

Part V

For me, Ornette showed a wonderful generosity of spirit in playing with Kostabi. This was not a money gig, he was not there to sell autographs ... it was simply a "happening" something that very rarely takes place in the art world, though so many artists confuse practical jokes and pranks with something meaningful to the participants.

And how dare Kostabi share a stage with the celebrated Ornette Coleman? Pity the fool who dares not live ...

[robbiefields]

Part IV

This week it was free form jazz that took the spotlight ... another week it might be romantic classical, some other time hardcore punk. But music is not the focus of "Title This", Mark's paintings are, but rather as a mere divertissement music is shown to be another expression of art, for some, painting its own pictures in the listener's imagination.

[robbiefields]

Part III

Mark is just as likely to have famous art world people on the show as people with no connection whatsoever. One of the most successful contestants on the show in recent times was Michel Gondry, the French film director. But as Mark Kostabi is a gifted pianist (he keeps a Steinway in his art studio besides 2 in his mother's drawing room!), often guests on "Title This" are connected to the music world. And for Mark, music is an all encompassing genre.

[robbiefields]

Part II

On the painting side, he hosts a semi regular "game show" on cable TV called "Title This" in which various luminaries and some absolute nobodies compete for cash prizes in naming Kostabi paintings (and yes, the paintings are proudly sold as having been painted by Kostabi's assistants).

[robbiefields]

Part I

Let me first give some background on this video as many commentators here are quite confused by this performance.

Mark Kostabi is both a recognized and highly successful painter and pianist/composer.

[kulolsihhatbul]

555 bn n,cjc,

[ArchieAA]

That sucked balls.

[hollywoodboys]

ornette coleman is a great player, but he sounds like shit right here for some reason. piano guy is ok.

[theeagerurger]

Ornette always sounds like shit....

at first I thought he was trying to do it

my friend Jamaladeen Tacuma was playing with years back. And he played the same way then.

[zarkoasenov]

ornette sounds a bit blue. whats shitty about that

[tdenusa]

My farts sound better than this.

[valentinepk]

Hey Mark

you have some nerve sharing the stage with Ornette.

[naturalkinds]

Not feeling it.

[TheBillyAdventure]

and why is this featured?

[jazzdog2]

who's Mark Kostabi

[Sarutobe1103]

my guess would be a skilled pianist.

Sorry about the hatred, but seriously, Google. It's our generous friend.

[Creationismsucks]

I've never understood about Ornette. Some of his tunes are great, and I like his musicians, usually a lot, but his playing? Weird.

[garygomesg]

I had never heard Ornette before 1971 and fell in love with his music instantly! Some people fake their love of certain musics (people who love the opera or who love "Bird" do it too!) His tone is unique and always has been. He DOES practice and his tone is full of emotion. Our tonal palette has expanded so little since the early 20th century. What we mistake for feeling in music is a regurgitation of standard formulas.

[BerserkaViking]

What crap.

Shitty tone Ornette, practice man.

I am a ware that this "improvised but you don't even hear the chords as they arrive.

Pitiful.

The pianist has a grip.

[retrorex]

Gee, lookit all them books. Maybe they're, like, intellectuals or something!

[andylowings]

The real creativity lies in whoever chose the audience !... 1) the beatnik 2) the dark glassed jazz aficionados 3) the lady  with beret 4)a collection of middle-aged jazz hounds 5) a nice girl in tight tee-shirt for balance 6)a chap with afro 7) student style scarves.....all with a backdrop of coffee mugs and books ( see the Picasso )showing its all legitimate art... rather than a TV game show with "cash pizes".

Rather depressing for jazz enthusiasts and players alike I`d have thought.

[cevemeve]

You are ABSOLUTELY right!!!!

[DetroitBred87]

yeah this is way off. maybe, like the other cat had said earlier, if you seperate the ideas they are comprehensible. but i suffered through this. i like free jazz.

[marina78th]

Garbage. The audience applauds because they can't hear the lack of ideas. Its this kind of bullshit that's killed jazz. What fraud.

[TheArthen]

I think Schoenberg and Ornette would have made great friends.

[nsrussell267]

awful!!

[freectee]

so wicked

[meursault48]

mmmmm. Niiice!

[mauricio1973]

The genious is that at first, when you hear the combination you think there is nothing to do. When you hear the harmony the piano suggests and hear Ornette howl away on his sax, you think What is he doing? But at the end it makes perfect sense!

[marina78th]

This was garbage. You're easily fooled.

[imamuppet]

The pieces could have both been beautiful by themselves. The combination is, however, a bit awkward and painful...

[ProtoCosmos]

This music is very painterly. I like it.

[skeletontea]

I usually like Coleman, but this is bad.

[rocketlonscher]

If you play it backwards, it doesn't seem like you wasted as much time listening.

[elski80]

my ears GOD!!!!!!!!!!!so Horrible

[bartdelmar]

its def. not him at his primest, but it is a beautiful piece of improvisation, on colemans side.

love what kostabi did.

[aj1drumman]

I think he mastered the horn a little too much

[stuthehistoryguy]

1.  I am a bit surprised that Ornette did this.

2. Not nearly as surprised as the audience, it appears. I don't think they were adequately prepared.

[imminy]

Ornette's problem as an improvisor is that he relies too much on a set of cliches, personal cliche runs & riffs, that he falls back on when he should be trying to find new ground in an improvisation. That said, it isn't easy to do what these guys do and this is far from "horrible" playing.

[djxfime]

sucks

[Orly83]

Horrible playing

[eroscanburnen]

kewl

[HarrisonVideos]

begginging.. ZZZZZ Middle OW MY HEAD!!! near the end ( exits window fast )

[Fredric1930]

Coleman is almost as bad (poor) in this as he was when I walked out on him playing live at the Five Spot in the Fifties. Why doesn't he at least practice?

[giulysweety]

da flumos

[ariesnr1]

It sounds like a swan is being strangled

[LBForster]

pile of shit

[Soul74]

You sure are.

[SidewalkFrequencies]

this is probably the worst Ornette video on you tube. go check out some of his earlier stuff with the quartet.

[cpun58]

co..?

[JCash21]

agreed.. this sounded terrible

[phatcatholic]

What a legend. They should feature this kind of thing more often!

[gabrielweldon16]

somewon please watch my vid of my song ... thanks

[wanketta]

sorry, this stuff is so gd awful, who the hell would sit still and listen to this voluntarily?

[danablett]

listen to it in the big picture. don't just think about the stylistic devices he is using that are "wrong" according to western music.... dont get caught up in the out of tune playing, the implying of different tonality of the chords etc.... see it as a picture, or a painting, over the whole 3 minutes. consider the emotional intent. what is the image ornette is painting?

[tnus03]

the painting to me looks like a three year old's after he got his little paws in the a paint can and started smearing them around for 3 min.

[margaritarichards]

Exactly! that's precisely the reason why Picasso became what he now is, he was able to paint like a three year old. Now you try it, smart guy!

[kearlstig1961]

my ornette coleman favorite is a tune titled 'lonely woman.'

[jsphotos]

It's appropriate that books are in the background; free jazz is an academic exercise that is more like esoteric poetry that only the writer understands, and when sounded out loud, others only get a glimpse of. Reminds me of the literary "deconstructionists" - in the larger scheme of things, they don't matter much, just like free jazz.

[d6duzenbury]

you're trying far too hard.

[bumboodc]

yep

[klakkin]

yummy noise!

[BrettCelinski]

tension, release and all that. Still could find better examples though of coleman's playing. these featured videos are getting odd but it's jazz so no worries.

[drcavacho]

welcome to free jazz, stupids-albeit not the most shining example thereof.

[iqchicken]

That does sound terrible... it's clear they both can play... but one or the other is insanely tone deaf... or... they are just trying to make something.. unique... yeah.. let's just say unique

[HalflifeHalflife333]

Tis is soooooooooo bad!!!

[felipehuerta9]

no lean esto el viernes mas proximo el amor de tu vida te besara y si esto no lo publican en 3 videos mas se morira en 2 dias

[jaymusic143]

This would suck badly even IF Ornette's sax was in tune, which it obviously is NOT. Yecchh.

[gforceforever]

Painful. Dreadful. "Dead Cat Rising"?

[twine2post]

I don't think it could get any worse. It must have been a joke between the two musicians.

[MarkDouglasC]

This is the kind of music you have to PRETEND to like. IVe seen people sit around and nod their head,like they "get it" and its "cool". If you like it, fine, but the biggest fakes Ive seen pretend to like it.

[mrbracken]

FUCK ALL U FAGS

[squidb8]

Look the emperor has no clothes

[michalgarcia]

Those people don't know what hit them!

It's strange how Ornette's such a legend and doesn't get any airplay on the Dallas/Fort Worth Jazz Station (that's where he's from)

[TrentDonovan]

yikes

[fijberto]

this isn't good!

[s0015]

ahahaha beach walker, go learn evolution

[yetiocracy]

wow. how do you title something like that, theres too many emotions. it's like the song itself is trying to be sarcastic, but in pitying way.

i'd call it: "Gorgeous, he cried."

[Jaqalope]

Warm up by listening to The Ewartung. Makes this sound harmonious.

[pfranks44]

ok..... but featured?

[HesPinoy]

I still like Peanut Butter Jelly Time a little more...

[maddohartlepool]

I saw Ornette Coleman at the Sage in Gateshead! Total Genius!

[ralphbluecoat]

good point. although the idea of form is abstract in itself

[Janzah]

I know. Well I know. I play/make music myself so. :)

[Janek679]

wow...

[jzsarcasmo]

I love the audience reactions in this video.

[hazelfawn]

Yeah me too lol ... yáll understand too that he is playing excessivly high using the altissimo register .... one either loves it or hates it ..... for me it depends on the day I'm having lol .... no disrespect to Ornette Coleman .... 'cause He's Awesome.

[Janzah]

the notes don't match the chords. but I thing it was a nice improvisation.

but I just don't like it.

[adeart72]

you have to understand, ornette belongs to that school of "avant-garde" or formless jazz, who sought to create a more aharmonic and discordant sound. it's definitely not for everyone...

[Janzah]

ok. thanks for clerifiyng that.

[ProtoCosmos]

Sounds like Stravinsky or Prokofiev.

[xblueblaze]

meh.

[JimGordon5]

Excellent!

[vasano1983]

adfsgfh

[gilligan07734]

not a fan. jazz would be good if it had some rhythm in it, kind of like grape juice does.

[aerslife]

Remember this is only one type of jazz

it's like saying you hate rock music cuz the only guys you've ever heard is Simple plan...

don't give up so quickly Jazz is very rythmic. and is a hell of a lot better than grape juice ^_^

[lebastar]

I understand what you're trying to point out but the simple plan analogy is just wrong imho.

[aerslife]

Yeah the analogy is a little weak, couldn't think of anyone else. But Ornette Coleman is not a good representation of jazz as a whole, as Simple Plan would be a terrible representation of say classic rock music. It would be unfortunate if someone thought rock music as a whole is only about a bunch of pretty boys pretending to be so miss understood as it would be unfortunate if they thought Jazz was only about Ornette Coleman stretching the limits of music with bizarre arythmic improvisation.

[bobthefireeater]

Better than Song X with the otherwise excellent Pat Metheny band; at least its slow enough for mere mortals like me to take in !!

[jubraneos]

yeah, that was terrible. i mean, what's going on? i don't get it. well, i'm off in my SUV to vote for another right wing american hero.

[Stroff91]

Fantastic.

[schellack]

haha well said

[Soul74]

Don't forget to put in your Toby Keith CD!

I wonder what the Title of that was: Stab in the nuts, slits in our Juggulars