What is the rock that the church is built upon? What is the stone that the builders disallowed that is made the head of the corner? What is the chief cornerstone? Hint. The early church had the same godhead as Judaism. Who was the Christ to be when he came according to Judaism? Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 35:4-10. John 1:1-14. Notice John 1:12 His name.
@stonecold474 Yes, and the revelation of who he is. And of course that has to be applied in our salvation. Yes, he is that rock. Since you answered that one, now you get a bonus question. What do you get if you take a rock and break it up into smaller pieces? {hint--you don't want to build your house upon it}
I can not be agree whit your manner! I do not belive in the traditional Trinitran matters. Nevertheless, i can not blame the rest of Christianity in suach manner. We MUST to be WISE and humble!!!
Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having BELEIVED, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit
Did Jesus talked that way in a hyped in manner? I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ but I wont judge trinitarian christians . By the fruit you shall know them.
G 1.26 and I 6.8 both use us. Elohim (Gods) 2000+ vs El (God) 200 + both used with singular verb when talking about God Israel. The Shema, D6.4 has 3 names for God in the 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. Jesus said "I am" which a name of God in Judaism meaning self existing in Hebrew. Jesus is God, so he know he has Father. Why does Oneness change his words?
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. This passage makes me want to make sure I know what they preached. It wasn't the trinity, it was Jesus. The church started in ACTS. ACTS 2:38 is LIFE.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father. But wait, if they are 3 distinct persons glorifying Jesus does not glorify God the father but diverts glory to the Son. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father, I and my Father are One.
Hear o Israel the Lord thy God is One God. There are not 3 gods in heaven there is but One. In Jesus dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily. The spirit of God holds the universe together by His power yet he manifested Himself as a man lived a sinless life and was crucified for our sins, and rose again.
@TheLayman316 Very simple, because Acts 2:38 is the fulfillment of Matt 28:19; making Jesus the name of the Father, and the son and the Holy Ghost. If Jesus is the name of the father, than that would make Jesus the father, if Jesus is the name of the son, than that would make Jesus the son, if Jesus is the name of the Holy Ghost, than that would make Jesus the Holy Ghost. Trinitarians baptize invoking matt 28:19 over the person being baptised, Apostolic's baptize invoking the name Jesus....
Ok, how about this, Trinitarians, believe what you will, Oneness, we know what the truth is, quit trying to argue. Pentecost is about more than Oneness, its also about a very real experience with Jesus, and the true path to receive his gift of everlasting life.
@stedmans4christ The same verse also says that God would be received up into glory. Who received God up in glory? Perhaps the Trinity doctrine is correct in that this is speaking of the Son? 1 John 3:8 "the Son of God was manifested" 1 John 4:3 "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" 1 John 4:15 (same context) "whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God." So who came in the flesh? Accorrding to John, it was the Son of God, therefore, 1 Tim 3:16 is the same.
@TheLayman316 1John 4:3 is the one God of 1Timothy 3:16; Jesus is this God that paul was referring to here in 1Timothy. Jesus Christ is the one God of the OT who manifest Himself in human flesh, who became a man, a human, God who is Spirit, John 4:24; manifest Himself in flesh, 1Timothy 3:16, as the man Jesus christ, 1John 4:3, that is revelation...Jesus is the Almighty God, Rev. 1:8..
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 The problem with this theory is that your unipersonal god was manifested in the flesh, but was not the same person hanging on the cross. If there is only one person in your theology, that places your person, i.e. the father, on the cross. If you deny that the Father was on the cross, and there was still a person on the cross, you have two persons.
@TheLayman316 Listen very closely to your first question, Who received "God" up in to glory? Well there is only one God, so who would that be? Second, Since 1Timothy 3:16 tells us "God was manifest in the flesh, that would make Jesus the one God of the Bible who came in human body, therefore Jesus came in the flesh as the Almighty God, Rev. 1:8, in short!!!!!I answered your question in my first address.
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 So God received God up into glory? You offer not support text to prove point. Let me do this for you. 1 John 3:8 the Son of God was manifested. 1 John 4:2 Jesus Chris came in the flesh. In the same context in 1 John 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God,
Question - if John said the Son of God came in the flesh and the Son of God was manifested, then who was God and received up into glory in 1 Tim 3:16? The Son of God. So 1 Tim 3:16 is speaking of the Son.
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 You apparently have never read Rev 1 in its context. Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega . . . Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
Rev 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold,
Who died on the cross? Was it the Father? NO. Was it the Son? Yes. Therefore the book of Rev was written about the Son of God.
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Read slowly - Rev 2:8 'These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life . . .Rev 2:18 'These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:
The Son of God is the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life. It was the Son who sat down with His Father on His Father's throne Rev 3:21, and who will confess the names of the overcomers before the Father and His Angels Rev 3:5.
OH PLEEZEEEE !! To be a person... means to be a human being and to be a human being means you have to be BORN into this world. THERE WAS ONLY ONE BEGOTTON OF THE FATHER... THERE WAS ONLY ONE BORN INTO THIS WORLD TO BECOME A PERSON AND LO AND BEHOLD WHO IS IT !! JESUS CHRIST THE BODY OF THE LIVING GOD !!
I was raised UPC and have found it surprising to see so many similarities between Oneness and Trinity. It's a shame the two can't sit and discuss the Word of God without picking apart each others doctrines. I'm a little embarrassed about some of the responses you've received but I appreciate your calm and detailed replies. Thank you. You've made some very valid arguments, and I will keep these in mind as I study and find my way.
Apostolics... listen, Trinitarians do NOT beleive in three gods, PERIOD! You need to know your audience. Its hard enough though, figuring out what your supposed to say about what you believe, since there so much made up. Your preachers are the only ones who push the three gods thing. Which is really ignorant, and you totally fit that stereotype.
I believe that it's a sin and shameful to to watch and comment on sexually explicit videos titled o****m by m********n. Rihanna isn't godly either. For anyone who may be new to youtube you can click on a person's profile and see playlist and videos that you comment on. "Oh be careful little eyes what you see".
I just encourage any oneness adherent who does not have a prederist view to explain in light of your view what 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 means. Has this happened yet? If you don't know then I encourage you to take the matter before the Lord with an open heart. It's a scary place when we think we know so much about the word of God and we refuse to consider that we could have a wrong interepretation and understanding on something. God can always further enlighten us but we have to put pride away.
@781042 For someone who doesn't want any further contact you sure are dishing it out. After all I did say "I rest may case". It seems as though what you really want is the last word and if be that the case the platforms yours. God Bless You.
Some trinitarians do believe in 3co equal gods do yr research there r two types of. Trinitarians don't come at me cuzz I believe in ONE GOD IM DONE NOT WORTH MY TIME.
@781042 "God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons and yet one God. This is hard for us to understand and grasp, but we believe this because this is the way that the Bible reveals God to us. He is one God, but in this one God there are three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit". After 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 is fufilled then God will be made all in all. Until then The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost while seperate in purpose are one in being and distinct.
@781042 I've done extensive research on this topic. I was raised in oneness and I know it's a hard mindset to break but the word of God speaks louder than man made theology and ideology. The nature of God is difficult to understand and describe because it's incomprehensible. God is INFINITE and we are FINITE. Why should we be surprised that we cannot fully grasp his ways and nature? You can accept his nature without fully grasping it.
@781042 Funny, I didn't hear anyone say that there were three God's. You don't even have a valid argument because like most Oneness you make your argument on something that Trinitarians don't believe in. We know there is one God and that Jesus is God. The disagreement is that oneness can't get past the numerical value of a single one or "yachid" without equating it as 3 seperate Gods. "One"=Echad=United One. God is three in "ONE" not seperate, but distinct. "TRINITARIANS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD"!
Jesus said I am. In Judaism , I am is a name of God. I am in Hebrew means self existing. Who did Adam, Enoch, Moses, and Jacob have contact with? It was a human form. Jesus did not change roles because I am always exists. He was not created. It is who we will see on the Throne, but God is more than what you see. Jesus defined God in Matthew 28:19 in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Yes, God may have one name, but that does not change how Jesus defined God.
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said in name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Jesus defined with one name, but Jesus defined God as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. In Matthew 28:46 Jesus said that Father forsaken him, so either Father left him in action or Jesus made false statement. God may have one name, but that does not change how defines himself. God is an unique one and Oneness is a simple one. Jesus was a Jew come back to reason.
Wow! Listening to this clip really reminded me how Oneness adherents really do believe it's "them against us". I was raised in oneness and I was amazed when I finally realized that everything I had been taught about "TRINITARIANS" was completely off, misunderstood and misconscrewed. Read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. This hasn't happened yet!
So can a oneness person tell me. If I am baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. I believe and live a seperated holiness life. I am filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Am I going to hell?
@musdvdlvr You may have the Holy Ghost and have faith in Christ and live a good life. But in the end you do not have Christs Name upon you. Christ IS the Father, Son and Holy Ghost - It takes more than this, to be born again and 'Saved' you MUST Repent and be baptized in the of Jesus Christ for the remissions of sins and you will be filled with the Holy Ghost.
In the end God will place us, one of the left and one on the right. To the Right He Will say 'Be gone from me, I do not know you' (paraphrase) They will say 'God we cast out demons in your name, we prophesied in your name' - Jesus says 'I do not know you'
Why? Because all they had was faith they did NOT have His Name upon their souls through Baptism.
@UnSkiLd You do realize that it is Christ's blood that washes away our sins and not Baptism? Baptism is the outward profession and seal of one's new life in Christ.Oneness doctrine misunderstands the context of "In the name". In the name means "by one's authority". We are baptized "into" Christ, his death and resurrection. The MAN SPOKEN FORMULA isn't what authenticates the baptism. When someone professes Jesus Christ as Lord at their baptism they are baptized "into" Jesus' name and authority.
listen to this..0:16-0:56.. its because We've Got THE HOLY GHOST..WE HAVE THAT POWER...TO REBUKED THE DEVIL..CAUSE WE HAVE THE POWER..ACTS1:8...TO GOD BE THE GLORY..!!
guyz...let me clear this preaching to you trinitarians...
yeah.. u ol ryt..we are Christians..But the difference is We The Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal experience The Baptism In the NAME Of JESUS..ANd RECeive the HOLYGHOST..with the evidendence of speaking of tongues..We experience Pentecostes..same as what d apostles xperience In ACTS 2..we Also receive the HOLY GHOST..WE ARE BORN AGAIN NOT BY NAME BUT BY EXPERIENCE..THATS WHY GREATER IS HE..THAT IS WITHIN ME AND HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD.
guyz...let me clear this preaching to you trinitarians...
yeah.. u ol ryt..we are Christians..But the difference is We The Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal experience The Baptism In the NAME Of JESUS..ANd RECeive the HOLYGHOST..with the evidendence of speaking of tongues..We experience Pentecostes..same as what d apostles xperience In ACTS 2..we Also receive the HOLY GHOST..WE ARE BORN AGAIN NOT BY NAME BUT BY EXPERIENCE..THATS WHY GREATER IS HE..THAT IS WITHIN ME AND HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD..
So even though I love Jesus and have accepted him as the savior to all mankind on my hands and knees, I am still going to hell because I am a classical (trinitarian) pentecostal? We might not agree on issues, but I still believe we are all Christians, do oneness Pentecostals believe different?
@kenmanwou we as Christians understand that we serve a God of order, a God in which specifies to the very cubic, He has always been that way since the blueprints of Noah's ark to the new testament plan of salvation. I would reply that oneness Pentecostals do not believe different but that The Word of God declares it to be different and we as oneness pentecostals believe the Word of God. See John 3:3-5, Acts 4:12, and Acts 2:38 for a start. Thank you for your time, may God Bless You.
Jesus would just say I AM GOD simply. Jesus is our brother as Jesus said, so is the Holy spirit our brother also? or he is a cousin of some sort? One can never be three, God gave us knowledge to know how to count and to understand when He said the He is Only One and no other.
It is truly sad for those that follow a trinitarian doctrine, they have the desire but, follow one of satan's ploy to decieve. God is one God, he came to earth in the flesh, we now know him as Jesus. There are countless verses in the bible to support this and yet only one or two that might otherwise lead a person into believing in a trinity or committee in heaven.
@GTCism I was raised UPC, Jesus Name, One God. I still have those beliefs, but I cannot believe how people fight and argue and get mad over the difference in 2 simple doctrines. First of all fighting over these doctrinal points doesn't do anyone any good...Jesus Name people are not going to convince Trinity people and Trinity people are not going to convince Jesus name people to change...forget it! Reach out to the people that don't attend church and are going to Hell....
We both love jesus, and accept him as the lord and savior to all mankind. Hating one another isn't going to solve anything. As a Trinitarian Pentecostal who is Engaged to a Oneness Pentecostal, we both believe that all those who have given their heart are going to heaven, no matter which doctrine you follow, or what denomination you belong to. In the end, we are all Christians.
@eddydean07 Agreed. I am an Ex-Pentecostal though I hold on to very few of their beliefs and I still believe in God. But on to the topic, I see so many Pentecostals who argue and belittle others, even those who are out to intimidate them, and Jesus never said to do any of that. He said if someone strikes you across the face, turn the other cheek and let them have at it.
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference...To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." Jude 1:21-22 &25. Jesus is God! John 1:1 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Verse 14 then says "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." It was God's love for us that He came to save
1Co 15:28 After everything is under the power of God's Son, he will put himself under the power of God, who put everything under his Son's power. Then God will mean everything to everyone.
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The Trinity & baptism meet at our core. We’re made in God’s triune image –body, soul & spirit. Baptism, not just bodily immersion into H2O, but immersion of our entire triune being into the Triune God. With Acts 2:38,8:16 & Gal 3:27, it’s clear water baptism most identifies & unifies us with Jesus. In Acts 1:5,10:47,11:16,1cor12:13,immersion & filling with the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit only can enter repentant circumsized hearts (Act 2:37) which have opened the heats’ door(Rev3:20)
@messianicreformer that is the sadest view I have ever heard someone even try an explain the triune nature of God which is a complete error. I'm sorry but God is not a trinity and can not be compared to human logic.
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 . Yes God can be compared to human logic. Jesus says that we should be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect, He says that the kingdom of God is like yeast in 3 lumps of bread, He says that we should forgive as He does, He says we are made in His image, He says "first the physical and then then spiritual" comparing the two (yes within human logic), you can't even say "He's not a trinity" without using your God given logic
@messianicreformer The whole reason the trinity came about is because men tried to understand the godhead with human logic. It does not come by human logic, but by revelation. Jesus told peter, for flesh and blood has not revealed this unto thee, but my father which is in heaven. God is not a trinity...
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Even Jesus said, worship the Lord your God with all of your heart, MIND, soul and strength. Yes, we use faith, logic, strength, scripture revelation etc...God made us in whose image Gen 1:26? Shma Yisrael Yahweh Elohei'nu (Elohim) is plural or singular? If you don't know look it up.
Job 13:6-10, Will ye accept his PERSON? not PERSONS! Isaiah 40:25, 41:4, 43:3-15, 44:6-8, 24. 45:5-7, 12-19, 21-22. 46:5-10. 63:3, 5-6, 16. Matthew 1:23. St John 1:1-14, Galatians 3:20, GOD IS ONE. Ephesians 4:6, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16 1 John 5:20, Genesis 1:26=Proverbs 8:22-36. Titus 2:13, St John 20:28. I just don't see how anybody can go along with the trinity after reading these scriptures. No where does it state anything about three persons in one. Acts 2:38 is still God's plan.
@rossdaboss1959 Yes, the bible never mentions, "trinity" or "abortion" or antiabortion. But if you have God's Spirit you can know by everything else in the scripture that its principles teach not to do such. Jesus is the King of Kings mentioned in Revelation, yet in the old t. Yahweh and Elohim is the king of kings. There can only be only king of kings. How can this be? From our perseption in 3D reality they are 3 but if you go to Heaven u won't see 3 you'll see only 1 as you and jesus said.
@rossdaboss1959 Rev 1:17 Jesus say He's the first and last. Isaiah 41:4 God says He is the first and last. If there is only one first and last, and He died and came back to life, then God died, yet we or the universe can't exist a second without God, so even while God the Son died, God the Father was still in heaven. This seems impossible, but with God all things are possible. If they are both the First and Last either one is lying or the 2 are one as Jesus said "I and the father are one"
@messianicreformer If we’re made in God’s triune image –body, soul & spirit, how come we are not three persons, but God is? Wouldn't you rather agree that your body, soul and spirit are natures, manifested in to one being; who you are, just as God's triune natures are manifested as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, yet still one being?
@JRulkiewicz Good job brother, the bible says we were made in his (singular) image not their image. If God was made up of three persons than the proper pronouns would be, made in their likeness.
@JRulkiewicz The mistake is trying to compare man with God. There is only one God who took on flesh and became a man. He didn't stop being God. He was fully man and fully God. God u can't see but in Jesus Christ. That's why Jesus said, he that sees me has seen the father. I and my father are one. Isaiah 9:6 proof. He's the mighty God, The everlasting father. Acts 2:38 is still God's plan of salvation. Everybody came the same way when the church go started.
This is immersing oneself in repentance (Acts13:24) or turning away from sin & turning toward Father thru faith in His Son. But there’s only 1 baptism-Eph 4:5. How could there be 3? If in Eph 4:5 “1 Lord”,how is there 3?If God is 3 in 1, immerses our nature,also 3 in 1, wouldn’t the process also be 3 in 1 immersing us into all 3 persons?Mt 28:19,“baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”, unity is preserved when discussing salvations’ link to baptism-1Pet3:21
soulsurcher the book of acts is not the only book in the bible . this what i mean when i said the devil laughing because the children of god hate each other.i believe in the whole bible not just the book of acts.so if you won't to push trinity faith people farther way go ahead . if this wasn't true you would not be responding to me. so crucify and condemn them cause you are holy .
soul surcher the world is not mad it's the devil the bible says this in revelations. i think you missed my point iam not saying he was wrong . iam saying that if you go in and tell the trinity people they are going to hell you are going to push them farther way . iam not talking about sinners they are different . i would like too see everyone realize that there is only one god .
yes it is time to be on fire for god this i under stand very well. i was brouht up trinity faith in the 70's and 80's and when you talked to the jesus name people all they did was condem i thought their brains were twisted from their hair beening so tight .you cannot win souls my being mad or angry because they don't beleive what you beleive show them the way this is what jesus did . i have set under a lot of preacher that was hard shelled but you know even the jesus name people has changed alot
don't get me wrong i beleive in one god and jesus name bastism but there no signs of love and compasion for people . show the word in love not madness this is a trick of the devil .i have shown a lot of people scriptures on one god and tell them to read them by theier self and ask god for the truth and he will show them . i know because i was one of them first. he will open your eyes if you let him.but bashing people with the word will only harden them. IN JESUS NAME AMEN
@rbj1905 This world is madness. What is shown on tv for entertainment is madness. The music of our world is madness! The people who have turned their backs on God is madness! Their is a method to our madness, and it is found in one scripture "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force." We will get this message out any way we can even if it kills us. This is true purpose and is what brings true peace and joy.
@rbj1905 Love you say. If I didn't love people I would sit back and forget I ever knew about this One God apostolic message! I would refuse to share my testimony. I would argue, and contend with men of greater stature of faith rather then doing what the word of God tells me. "Try the spirits to see whether they be of God" This man is preaching in love, this man is the kind of man who would pray for you on the spot with all his heart and would not cease to pray until you had your answer from God
@rbj1905 We can't be passive with our Christianity when the world is getting worse, and worse. We need to be bold as lions! We need to bring a message that will shake people out of their shoes, and cause them to run not walk to an alter of repentence. The world! Satan knows the condition of the church. He reads the bible too. Lukewarmness just aint gonna cut it! It's time to get on fire for God. The book of acts isn't finished! We are the church of this age, and of the last days. Praise God!!!!!
who needs the devil to fight when the church fights and condem one other . why don;t you pray that god will open everyone eyes to the truth instead you stand and condem them if you have what you say you got spend your time praying for the people that has been miss lead don't judge them it is as much your fault as is the people miss leading them .god loves them and if you don't love them you are worse than them. this sound like hate to me not love and that is what ist is all about love one anothe
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Instead of us debating the scriptures let us look into the Word of God. It is written in 1 Timothy 3:16-And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, recieved up into glory. Sometimes the scriptures can be difficult to understand(afterall we are but finite beings)but this verse in particular helps clear up any misunderstandings about Gods divinity.
When you really study it out, the name of "Jesus", is at best a "Transliteration"; definitely not a "Translation". It is more of a corruption or an aberration of the original. If you really want to honor him, and give him his rightful place as a man, then calling him by his rightful name is the way to go. I choose to call him "Y'SHUA or Yeshua". I am a gentile. But I want to respect and honor him for who he is as a man.........Oh, by the way; you still understand he is still a "JEW"; RIGHT?
As far as translation of the name "Jesus" is concerned, there is no continuity or consistency between the name of "Jesus" and the "Hebrew" name. Conduct your own private and independant study. We need to honor him for who he is. We need to honor what he himself honors. We need to honor the fulness of his manhood, and not neglect the importance of it at the expense of majoring on the "Godhead". Should not we call our savior by his rightful name. He has a right to it. It is his name!
Having said this, until we can fully and more accurately understand who the historical "MAN" we call "JESUS" is, we need not contend about the "Godhead or Diety of "JESUS"! There is nothing "Jewish, Hebraic or Judaic" about the name of "JESUS". Whether you import it back into the "Hebrew language" or export it from the same, the name is not "Jewish or Hebrew". The name of "JESUS" is not an authentic or direct translation of the original name of this man from the "Hebrew" language .
In addition; was not Jesus a native-born Israeli (Sabra)? Was not what Jesus believed, embraced, honored and taught derived from the deep soil of what is known as "Torah, Nevi'im & ketuv'im"; more accurately "Torah"= Law or let's make it simple; the first (5) books of what we call the "Old Testament"? This is where we get the acronym "TNK", from where we get the term "TANAK"= O.T. Let's crystalize it even more; these were the "Original & Authenic God-Breathed teachings for humanity; no?
Can anyone out there in "Technology Land", please tell me who the "Historical" man that we gentiles call "JESUS" really is; as a man? Why in the world do we address this man as "JESUS"? Jesus was Jewish; no? Jesus was Hebrew; no? A literal physical descendant of "Abraham, Issac & Jacob"; no? Was not his ancestral line traced back to the "Tribe of Judah"? Does not the chronological record of his descendance stem and find roots within the matrix of ancient "Judaism"............?
Last thought; neither do I believe and accept the school of thought that the "LORD GOD" of the Bible is limited and/or restricted and isolated and should not be subjected to the line of belief that "HE IS "ONE" WHO IS COMPRISED OF ONLY "FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST" and thereby defined as the "THREE IN ONE" in personage respects. That to to me is nonsense and unacceptable! I can not find the consistency or continuity of that thought pattern represented in the Bible either.
We are quite intrusive as a people, attempting to abruptly and arrogantly intrude into the realms of the "ETERNAL" with our limited and/or finite minds and inserting our subjective views using an eisegesis approach. It is utterly impossible, off the pages, off the edge, out of wack, ridiculous and out of line to actually think that the GOD of the Bible is simply and solely a solitary "ONE" person and/or personage. I myself am a "ONENESS APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL", but I do not see the consistency.
God is "ONE" for one primary reason; remember, one is never dependant on any additional number to find totality, completeness, wholeness or fulfillment. "ONE" represents a single entity; sometimes referred to as unity; any number multiplied by one is the number, as one is the identity for multiplication. "ONE" is "Complete and Total" all "IN AND OF ITSELF". "ONE" is self-resourceful, self-dependant and self-sustaining. "ONE" does not need any additional number to find this. Yes, God is "ONE".
Here, within the "JUDAIC/HEBRAIC" scriptures, we find the unchanging nature and essence of "GOD". God most definitely possesses "MASCULINE/FEMININE" qualities and/or attributes, but that does not make "GOD" a person; meaning a "HE and or SHE". We can not represent God by stating that God is even "Male or Female". "GOD IS THE LORD WHO IS ETERNAL AND GOD IS ONE". Keep it biblical. The LORD GOD is ONE, not because God is one person, but because God is "ONE LORD GOD" who is "ETERNAL".
I do not see God as a "Person". Let us keep it biblically "Textual and Contextual". God is both "Spirit" and "A Spirit". Do you get my drift? Do you know why I say this? God is "Eternal". God is "One". We should not use multiple pronouns to represent God, for God is neither "He or She". God is biblically represented as the "LORD GOD" who is "ONE". Keep it simple! The best scriptural interpretive that I can ever give you that is revelatory can only be found in what is known as "TORAH".
Just a quick thought; you can not measure that which is "Eternal" by that which is "Physical"; but we can measure the "Physical" by that which is "Eternal". "Eternal vastly outweighs "Mental". We continually attempt to relate and understand that which is "Eternal" by that which is "Mental".............big problem! I never could understand how so-called "Born-again Christians" could relate to the "God" of the Bible as a "Person". God is in no way a person, as far as person can be defined.
Bottom-line; keep what you believe; keep your faith and keep what you speak in line with God's Word consistent, constant and continuous and you will experience the truth that spiritual laws rooted in God's Word can not lie and that you will come face to face with what you seek and experience the unseen and unknown realities promised in his Word.....................................Be Blessed!
In order to have a more accurate and crystalized understanding of all of this, we need to have more of a refreshed and adjusted understanding of things like believe, faith, confession, obedience and experience; and in just this sequential order. You may not think so, but your verbal confession or the words you speak from your mouth in line with God's Word carry more weight in the realm of eternity as far as executing any spiritual law to date. Word's create life; always have and always will.
The roots I speak of are those roots that stem from eternity and from the eternal mind of God. Roots, meaning truth, knowledge, understanding and wisdom of which God himself watches over and by which he himself operates. Remember, God has magnified his Word above his name and watches over his Word to ensure that nothing returns void. All of it is right before you. Do not go before God's Word with a "Pre" anything mindset; he can show you some things. It is not formula's; it is "Spiritual Law"!
In addition, I say that we have much learning, unlearning and relearning to consider. It really has absolutely nothing to do with a formula. We need to go back to school and revisit some things of grave importance. The serious things to consider that will determine whether or not you see the fruition of genuine and authentic results according to God's Word as far as regenerative, recreative and restorative results are concerned are those things rooted beneath the foundation of God's Word.
What is imperatively and essentially important on many of these issues is that we always keep in mind the intrinsic value of the total embodiement of God's mind, mindset and his way of thinking about issues of this sort and beyond.
Simply put; we need to think like he thinks; see things as he see's them and embrace his perspective and vantage point on issues. How do we manage this; by keeping his "WORD" the primary "AUTHORITY". Way to much "eisegesis" and not enough "exegesis"!
I also believe that the one called (Christ Jesus is the Father Himself). -aTrueHybrid
(Transubstantiation) IS A CHANGE in form or substance of something. This contradicts The Words of Yah (יהוה) via Malachi 3:6 stating that, "For I, YaHUaH (יהוה), DO NOT CHANGE (or transubstantiate) therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed."
Christianity as a whole gropes for truth thus is why Syncretism dictates Their Theorems by a trinity, or by a oneness idol that Yah DID NOT CREATE...
@aTrueHybrid the scripture does not say he will 'rid himself of his humanit manifestation'. IT says in 1Cor 15:28 - that the Son will be subjected to GOD so GOD may be all in all. You just contradicted this scripture by saying this flesh manifestation of God (son) will be gone. Your beliefs are of pagan philosophy.
@aTrueHybrid GOD does not change. Mal 3:6, James 1:17. But you say he changed and took on the nature of man. You speak lies. Scripture says GOD is not a man - Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9, Isaiah 31:3, etc. Yet you say GOD is a man. Scripture cannot be broken - Jesus spoke this truth in John 10:35. Once again, you speak lies against God's Word.
@aTrueHybrid How can you pierce eternal spirit? Nonetheless, when Jesus spoke to Saul, he said Why are you persecuting Me? Was Saul persecution Jesus or the followers of Him? In the same Way, if yahweh says they pierced Me, and yahweh was in messiah, can he take it personally like Jesus did in Acts with saul? Regardless, Israel is supposed to turn to GOD by crucifying the Messiah. this is the point of this, it is not stating he is Yahweh.
@aTrueHybrid clever game you have here. Zec 12:10 - they will look upon me whom they have pierced and they will mourn for HIM. If they pierced yahweh why are they mourning for HIM. it should say ME if that were the case. The text reads they will look to/towards(ale) me because of whom they have pierce, they will mourn for Him....Read genesis 4:10 - your brothers blood cries out TO ME. same word in Zec 12:10. But let us say it says they pierced yahweh now? First of all, it doesnt make sense.
@aTrueHybrid To trust in Gods anointed is idolatry? By whose definition? Would you obey king saul, king david, etc. What is your definition of divine, because Jesus partook in the divine nature of GOD - rom 1:20, 2peter 1:4. We will all be divine. We are not God. Do you realize how Jesus is the second Adam? Do you wonder what relation he has to the first adam? if Jesus is god incarnate he has no relation to the first adam. Do you understand the new creation of GOD? Jesus is the first 1cor 15:20.
@aTrueHybrid actually man is spirit soul and body. We are not three persons in One Man like you claim GOD is. Romans 8:9 - Read john 7:39 - Jesus was given the holy spirit by GOD. John 5:26 - For as the Father has life in himself, he granted the Son to have life in himself. John 5:30 - I can do nothing on my own. as i hear, i judge. and my judgment is just because i dont seek my own will, but the will of HIM who sent me. Clearly Jesus spoke the truth. Read John 8:40. what did Jesus say?
@aTrueHybrid No if a man is dead he cannot bring himself back to life. because he isnt alive to do it. Once again, Jesus did not kill himself, nor did he raise himself. This is a parable, you cant take parables literally. If you want literal read the book of ACTS see how many time it states the true gospel GOD raised Jesus.
@aTrueHybrid His Word is the prophecies about Jesus being born, when Jesus was born his word became flesh because the prophecies were fulfilled in this jesus of nazareth - Acts 10:38. logos is no expression it is communication, spoken word, etc. If you do not believe my logos, then research it for yourself. I read the logos of GOD every day. Say 10 logos in spanish. Get it? logos is not a person, logos is personified at times. you cannot personify a person.
@aTrueHybrid Once again if the spirit of GOD being full in christ means he is GOD, then we are GOD also according to Eph 3:19. He did not make a veil, he tore down the veil - Matt 27:51, 2Cor 3:15-16, Eph 2:13-14. We are temples of GOD - 2Cor 6:16. Repent of your trinity babylon idol. Stop following the people of Acts 14:11.
@aTrueHybrid if no one could take his life from him, meaning no one can kill him, then Who Died for your sins? Apparently Peter knew they could kill Jesus in John 18:10 - he cut off the high priests ear trying to defend Jesus. Did peter, knowing Jesus was the messiah and son of the living God (Matt 16:16) try to defend Almighty GOD in the flesh with a puny sword? Do you think you or Peter had a better understanding of who Christ was? Do not be ignorant of satan's devices.
@aTrueHybrid Yes true. Read the book of Acts and count how many times scripture says GOD raised Jesus. Jesus did not destroy his own temple - did he commit suicide? Jesus gave his life yes, but he did not beat and kill himself. you say sinners did not kill Jesus, you contradict scripture once again - Acts 2:22-23- states Jesus of nazareth a man attested to you by GOD with mighty works and deeds which GOD did through him, this Jesus given up according to Gods foreknowledge, killed by SINNERS.
@aTrueHybrid If you want to learn about mystery babylon in Rev 18:2-4 then let me know because I have learned quite a bit i might be able to show you a few things to help out. In V.4 it says God is calling us out of mystery babylon - How will you know what to come out of unless you first recognize what babylon is? Let me know my friend - May the GOD of peace bless you in coming to a knowledge of his Son Jesus the Messiah to the perfect man. AMEN.
@aTrueHybrid If you want to be humble or prideful that is your own choice, but if suggest you humble yourself and take the scriptures for what they say. If the World believe in a trinity that doesn't affect you, but if YOU believe in a trinity you are worshipping a false GOD. If you do not believe that Jesus is the son of God, the messiah, and master, then you will indeed DIE in your sins. If you believe he 's eternal GOD then you'll die in your sins. Dont follow the people of Acts 14:11
@aTrueHybrid Why are we commanded to have faith in a man? Why are we commanded to not lie, steal, covet, blaspheme, etc.? Because GOD commanded it - GOD has appointed this man to judge the world - Acts 10:42, 17:31 - Will you resist the anointed one of GOD? Will you question who GOD has appointed? This man is the One who died for our sins and whom GOD raised from the dead to be an everlasting priest to make atonement for our sins. This man obeyed GOD unlike you. He is the new creation Rev 3:14.
@aTrueHybrid I already showed how Jesus did not say he was alpha and omega. Jesus can also say he is the first and last - but that still does not make him eternal GOD. Is jesus the firstfruits? Is Jesus the firsbegotten from the dead? Then in Matt 9:6 - You claim he is GOD because he forgave sins. Read down below in matt 9:8 - the people glorified GOD who gave such power to MEN. He was given the authority to forgive sins by GOD. Read John 20:22-23 - Are the disciples GOD now too?
@aTrueHybrid You said Rev 1:3 but i think you meant 1:8. Read Rev 1:4-6 = who is who was and who is to come, the seven spirits, and Jesus Christ. Three seperate things. Now read 1:8 - who is who was and who is to come - Same thing - Jehovah. Also in rev 4:8, 11:17, 16:5-7, the Lord God Almighty is Jehovah and the lamb is Jesus. Rev 22:13 - You say this means Jesus is GOD? Read rev 22:9 - Who is speaking? The angel, and the angel is speaking on behalf of GOD - Rev 22:6 GOD sent his angel to speak
@aTrueHybrid Read 2Kings 13:5, Isaiah 19:20, Acts 5:31 - God raises up saviors to send for his people. Remember Moses? Did not Jehovah send moses to bring his people out of egyptian slavery? Did Jehovah send Jesus to bring his people out of slavery to sin? - Isaiah 42. If God being called savior and Jesus called savior means Jesus is God, then Read 1Peter 5:8-the devil is a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Read Hosea 13:7-8, Amos 3:8 - Is GOD satan now? This is the same logic.
@aTrueHybrid Yes you have been deceived by mystery babylon - this came from the roman catholic church. i guarantee you have more in common with thier pagan doctrines then you think. That is why I am telling you to flee from these doctrines and worship the One True God Jehovah and to wait for His Son Jesus the Messiah from Heaven. 1Thes 1:9-10 - Turn from the trinity idol now. Rev 22:3-4 - His name will be on their foreheads=Read Rev 3:12 - the name of Jesus' GOD on their foreheads.
@aTrueHybrid 2 Peter 1:1 - Read verse two right below it, it reads knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. Don't try to play word games with one sentence out of the bible to confuse people. They are separated right below that verse as they are in the entire bible - Read every epistle greetings from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Always separate, no mention of God the Holy Spirit or a trinity anywhere. The only true God is the Father, the One Jesus prayed to and cried out to, His God.
@aTrueHybrid Titus 2:13 - the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the glory of GOD - Matt 16:27, Mark 8:38, 1Cor 11:17 (isn't Messiah a man), 2Cor 4:6, etc. Paul uses this same manner of expression in 1Thes 2:19-20. He says the saints of thessalonica are his glory and joy, just as Messiah is the glory and joy of GOD, and we are the messiah's glory and joy. All glory is TO and FROM GOD - even bowing to Jesus - Phillipians 2:11 is for Gods glory.
IM NOT INTO ARGUING WITH PEOPLE BUT ALL I KNOW IS THAT IM ONENESS AND I LOVE EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF IT.....AND I KNOWWWWW!!!!!!! THAT IT IS REALLL!!!!!!!! JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!
@aTrueHybrid So was Jesus born of God? Do i need to read John 3:16? Again in 1John 3:7-whoever practices righteousness is righteous, just as God is righteous. Lev 11:44-45 - Be Holy, for I am Holy. 1John 4:4 - He who is in you is greater then He who is in the world. Who is in us? 1Corin 15:28 - so God may be All in All. 2Peter 1:4 - Did Jesus partake in this divine nature and overcome the world? John 16:33, Rev 3:21, 1John 5:4.
@aTrueHybrid No one is good except God alone - If Jesus were God he would not make this statement. 1John 2:1 - We have an advocate WITH the Father, not an advocate, who IS the Father. [Jesus Christ the righteous]. How many people are called righteous in the bible? Gen 7:1, Psalm 140:13, Prov 10:24, 11:21, 29:2, Isaiah 57:1, Ezek 21:4, 2 Peter 2:8, etc. The whole bible is filled with them, i can go all night. 1John 2:29- everyone one who practices righteousness has been born of God.
@aTrueHybrid Romans 9:5 says Christ who is over all God blessed forever. Is the Messiah not blessed by God forever? Did he not make him a priest forever? Heb 7:21-22- is this not a blessing to be the mediator of the new covenant, a better covenant? There are also alternate translations that say human ancestry of messiah. God who is over all be blessed forever. OR messiah who is over all. God be forever praised. This latter interpretation is better - Read Rom 1:25, 2Cor 11:31, 1Tim 1:11, etc.
@aTrueHybrid John 8:24 - Unless you believe that i am he you will die in your sins. Then in John 8:28 - when you see the son of man lifted up (crucified) then you will know that i am he. For this prophecy to be saying they will know that I am the I AM-yahweh, it would have to be fulfilled at his crucifixion. What did the people say? Luke 23:47, Matt 15:39 - No one recognized him as GOD in the flesh or Yahweh the I AM, so either Jesus is a false prophet or you are? You are speaking lies.
@aTrueHybrid you ask me questions but you did not answer anything, you completely avoid the questions for fear of admitting your wrong. 1 Tim 3:16 - the text says HE who was manifest in the flesh - that is Jesus - 1 John 3:8 - The Son was made manifest to destroy the works of the devil. Col 2:9 - For in Him the fulness of diety dwells bodily=*Eph 3:19* - Are we God now too? 2Cor 5:19- God was in Messiah, John 14:10- The Father dwells in Jesus. Who is the Father? The only true God - John 17:3.
@aTrueHybrid It was a prophecy - Do you believe it was fullfilled, Do you believe that Jehovah really did say to the Lord (adon) sit at my right hand? Do you believe it was fulfilled when he talked to Him? Do you believe Jesus is the servant of Jehovah like prophecy says in Isaiah 42 - Or do you believe Jesus IS Jehovah? Do you believe Isaish 61 - that Jehovah anointed Jesus with the holy ghost - Or do you believe Jesus IS Jehovah AND the holy ghost - Do you believe Acts 10:38? You contradict.
@aTrueHybrid Jesus did not raise himself from the dead - the entire book of Acts says GOD raised Jesus. John 2:1 is a parable - Jesus did not destroy his own temple neither did he raise his own temple. Sinners killed Jesus and God raised Him. Scripture does not say that Jesus is eternal spirit God Almighty, rather he is an immortal human flesh and bones.
@markpaghi Mathew1:20 for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
@markpaghi you tell me who is who....dont contradict yourself or the Word which became flesh and dwelt among us. tell me, who conceived Jesus? God, or the Holy Ghost?
@skiebuster I have told you. GOD begot Jesus - you are my Son - Today I have begotten You - Hebrews. For GOD so loved the world he gave his only BEGOTTEN SON. What is your definition of GOD - Who is GOD, is GOD the father, son holy spirit? Or is GOD the Father only? If GOD(trinity) begot Jesus then Jesus begot himself, he is his own father and son, and the holy spirit is also the son and the father, and the holy spirit begot the Father, and the Son begot the Father, etc.
@markpaghi how can anyone limit what God can do? Who are we to say that God is only this, or that? who is Melchizedek? And please show me in the OT prophecy that a son was coming as the messiah..
who is without days, neither beginning or end? who is the first and the last?
@skiebuster I can't limit GOD - that has nothing to do with what the bible teaches - it teaches Jesus is the Begotten Son of GOD, therefore he is not GOD. This is not trying to limit GOD, GOD has already done what he has willed. You quoted Heb 7:3 - Are you trying to say Jesus has no Father? Matt 10:32. Are you trying to say he has no mother? Matt 1:18. Are you trying to say he has no genealogy? Matt 1:1. Jesus is the first what? The last what?
@skiebuster Rev 1:5 - Firstborn from dead, last ruler of the kings. After All things are subdued to Jesus (except GOD who put them under his feet), Jesus will then be sudued to GOD, this is why he is the last Ruler, GOD will appoint no more rulers/kings after Him. Then GOD will be All in All - 1Corin 15:27-28. Tell me what Deut 18:18-19, Isaiah 42:1-7, 61:1-2, Psalm 110:1, etc. Are prophesying. What are these scriptures trying to say?
@skiebuster Him being the son of God or the son of man has nothing to do with him being the messiah. He is the son of God because he was begotten by GOD and led by the spirit of GOD - Romans 8:14-15, Matt 4:1, Luke 4:1, etc. Jesus being ca
What is the rock that the church is built upon? What is the stone that the builders disallowed that is made the head of the corner? What is the chief cornerstone? Hint. The early church had the same godhead as Judaism. Who was the Christ to be when he came according to Judaism? Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 35:4-10. John 1:1-14. Notice John 1:12 His name.
m8s4lif 3 days ago
@m8s4lif
I KNOW I KNOW!! IT'S JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH!!!
stonecold474 6 hours ago in playlist Lee Stoneking
@stonecold474 Yes, and the revelation of who he is. And of course that has to be applied in our salvation. Yes, he is that rock. Since you answered that one, now you get a bonus question. What do you get if you take a rock and break it up into smaller pieces? {hint--you don't want to build your house upon it}
m8s4lif 5 hours ago
There is a differance between Judging people and warning people. Trinitarians must be warned period.... Only ((One)) will judge us all.
dsh3354 3 days ago
I can not be agree whit your manner! I do not belive in the traditional Trinitran matters. Nevertheless, i can not blame the rest of Christianity in suach manner. We MUST to be WISE and humble!!!
MrMariusEMI1 1 month ago
Are you mad or are you angry?
zedrev01 1 month ago
Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having BELEIVED, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit
zedrev01 1 month ago
Did Jesus talked that way in a hyped in manner? I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ but I wont judge trinitarian christians . By the fruit you shall know them.
zedrev01 1 month ago
G 1.26 and I 6.8 both use us. Elohim (Gods) 2000+ vs El (God) 200 + both used with singular verb when talking about God Israel. The Shema, D6.4 has 3 names for God in the 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. Jesus said "I am" which a name of God in Judaism meaning self existing in Hebrew. Jesus is God, so he know he has Father. Why does Oneness change his words?
MrHellowwww1 2 months ago
It's all hyped-up emotionalism devoid of any truth.
StoneCampbellforLife 2 months ago
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. This passage makes me want to make sure I know what they preached. It wasn't the trinity, it was Jesus. The church started in ACTS. ACTS 2:38 is LIFE.
rickya1076 2 months ago
@rickya1076 It's where the FIRST church started. That's what God wanted. "Religion" was made by man and will get you know where.
1982christinagreen 2 months ago in playlist Preaching. Lee Stoneking
@mrmr lee AMEN :)
TheMrlovo 3 months ago
Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father. But wait, if they are 3 distinct persons glorifying Jesus does not glorify God the father but diverts glory to the Son. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father, I and my Father are One.
mrmrlee 3 months ago 3
Hear o Israel the Lord thy God is One God. There are not 3 gods in heaven there is but One. In Jesus dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily. The spirit of God holds the universe together by His power yet he manifested Himself as a man lived a sinless life and was crucified for our sins, and rose again.
mrmrlee 3 months ago
TRINITY IS VERY WRONG,ACTS 2:38 READ IT TRINY PRAY SO JESUS PHOTOS CAN OPEN ALL YOUR EYES ON DAY
TheMrlovo 4 months ago
@TheMrlovo How does Acts 2:38 prove the Trinity doctrine wrong?
TheLayman316 4 months ago
@TheLayman316 Very simple, because Acts 2:38 is the fulfillment of Matt 28:19; making Jesus the name of the Father, and the son and the Holy Ghost. If Jesus is the name of the father, than that would make Jesus the father, if Jesus is the name of the son, than that would make Jesus the son, if Jesus is the name of the Holy Ghost, than that would make Jesus the Holy Ghost. Trinitarians baptize invoking matt 28:19 over the person being baptised, Apostolic's baptize invoking the name Jesus....
MrApostolicdoctrine1 4 months ago
Ok, how about this, Trinitarians, believe what you will, Oneness, we know what the truth is, quit trying to argue. Pentecost is about more than Oneness, its also about a very real experience with Jesus, and the true path to receive his gift of everlasting life.
mrhaney95 4 months ago
One God one God Yesss im proud to believe
781042 4 months ago
1 Tim 3:16 says plainly that God was manifest in the flesh!!
stedmans4christ 5 months ago
@stedmans4christ The same verse also says that God would be received up into glory. Who received God up in glory? Perhaps the Trinity doctrine is correct in that this is speaking of the Son? 1 John 3:8 "the Son of God was manifested" 1 John 4:3 "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" 1 John 4:15 (same context) "whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God." So who came in the flesh? Accorrding to John, it was the Son of God, therefore, 1 Tim 3:16 is the same.
TheLayman316 4 months ago
@TheLayman316 1John 4:3 is the one God of 1Timothy 3:16; Jesus is this God that paul was referring to here in 1Timothy. Jesus Christ is the one God of the OT who manifest Himself in human flesh, who became a man, a human, God who is Spirit, John 4:24; manifest Himself in flesh, 1Timothy 3:16, as the man Jesus christ, 1John 4:3, that is revelation...Jesus is the Almighty God, Rev. 1:8..
MrApostolicdoctrine1 4 months ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 The problem with this theory is that your unipersonal god was manifested in the flesh, but was not the same person hanging on the cross. If there is only one person in your theology, that places your person, i.e. the father, on the cross. If you deny that the Father was on the cross, and there was still a person on the cross, you have two persons.
TheLayman316 4 months ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 You didn't answer my questions. Who received God up into glory? Who came in the flesh? Did the Father come in the flesh?
TheLayman316 4 months ago
@TheLayman316 Listen very closely to your first question, Who received "God" up in to glory? Well there is only one God, so who would that be? Second, Since 1Timothy 3:16 tells us "God was manifest in the flesh, that would make Jesus the one God of the Bible who came in human body, therefore Jesus came in the flesh as the Almighty God, Rev. 1:8, in short!!!!!I answered your question in my first address.
MrApostolicdoctrine1 4 months ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 So God received God up into glory? You offer not support text to prove point. Let me do this for you. 1 John 3:8 the Son of God was manifested. 1 John 4:2 Jesus Chris came in the flesh. In the same context in 1 John 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God,
Question - if John said the Son of God came in the flesh and the Son of God was manifested, then who was God and received up into glory in 1 Tim 3:16? The Son of God. So 1 Tim 3:16 is speaking of the Son.
TheLayman316 4 months ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 You apparently have never read Rev 1 in its context. Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega . . . Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
Rev 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold,
Who died on the cross? Was it the Father? NO. Was it the Son? Yes. Therefore the book of Rev was written about the Son of God.
TheLayman316 4 months ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Read slowly - Rev 2:8 'These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life . . .Rev 2:18 'These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:
The Son of God is the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life. It was the Son who sat down with His Father on His Father's throne Rev 3:21, and who will confess the names of the overcomers before the Father and His Angels Rev 3:5.
TheLayman316 4 months ago
YOU TRINITARIANS ARE TRYING TO REDEFINE THE WORD PERSON !!
jazzynthangz 5 months ago
OH PLEEZEEEE !! To be a person... means to be a human being and to be a human being means you have to be BORN into this world. THERE WAS ONLY ONE BEGOTTON OF THE FATHER... THERE WAS ONLY ONE BORN INTO THIS WORLD TO BECOME A PERSON AND LO AND BEHOLD WHO IS IT !! JESUS CHRIST THE BODY OF THE LIVING GOD !!
jazzynthangz 5 months ago
@hnixon83
Well said.
I was raised UPC and have found it surprising to see so many similarities between Oneness and Trinity. It's a shame the two can't sit and discuss the Word of God without picking apart each others doctrines. I'm a little embarrassed about some of the responses you've received but I appreciate your calm and detailed replies. Thank you. You've made some very valid arguments, and I will keep these in mind as I study and find my way.
KimNEm3 5 months ago
Apostolics... listen, Trinitarians do NOT beleive in three gods, PERIOD! You need to know your audience. Its hard enough though, figuring out what your supposed to say about what you believe, since there so much made up. Your preachers are the only ones who push the three gods thing. Which is really ignorant, and you totally fit that stereotype.
earinsoff 5 months ago
Show me Jesus in your life, and I will declare him through mine. I am robed in holy God through baptism and the Holy Ghost! In the name of Jesus!!!
soulsurcher 5 months ago
I believe that it's a sin and shameful to to watch and comment on sexually explicit videos titled o****m by m********n. Rihanna isn't godly either. For anyone who may be new to youtube you can click on a person's profile and see playlist and videos that you comment on. "Oh be careful little eyes what you see".
hnixon83 5 months ago
Believe wat u want
781042 6 months ago
Let it go man
781042 6 months ago
I just encourage any oneness adherent who does not have a prederist view to explain in light of your view what 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 means. Has this happened yet? If you don't know then I encourage you to take the matter before the Lord with an open heart. It's a scary place when we think we know so much about the word of God and we refuse to consider that we could have a wrong interepretation and understanding on something. God can always further enlighten us but we have to put pride away.
hnixon83 6 months ago
Whatever it's easy for me now again don't contact me anymore let it go u don't get it TRINITARIAN BYE
781042 6 months ago
@781042 For someone who doesn't want any further contact you sure are dishing it out. After all I did say "I rest may case". It seems as though what you really want is the last word and if be that the case the platforms yours. God Bless You.
hnixon83 6 months ago
Preach bro Stoneking ONE GOD
781042 6 months ago
@hnixon83 ONE LORD ONE FAITH AND ONE BAPTISM END OF STORY DONT COMMENT AT ME ANYMORE ITS SIMPLE FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOTHING HARD ABT IT.
781042 6 months ago
@781042 Apparently there is something hard about it or you could better defend your point without screaming the whole time. I rest my case.
hnixon83 6 months ago
Stop Yelling you have an audience and a microphone talking is more than enough- enough with the yelling.
boilerjack 6 months ago
The water is a type of the blood of christ
781042 6 months ago
Some trinitarians do believe in 3co equal gods do yr research there r two types of. Trinitarians don't come at me cuzz I believe in ONE GOD IM DONE NOT WORTH MY TIME.
781042 6 months ago
@781042 "God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons and yet one God. This is hard for us to understand and grasp, but we believe this because this is the way that the Bible reveals God to us. He is one God, but in this one God there are three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit". After 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 is fufilled then God will be made all in all. Until then The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost while seperate in purpose are one in being and distinct.
hnixon83 6 months ago
@781042 I've done extensive research on this topic. I was raised in oneness and I know it's a hard mindset to break but the word of God speaks louder than man made theology and ideology. The nature of God is difficult to understand and describe because it's incomprehensible. God is INFINITE and we are FINITE. Why should we be surprised that we cannot fully grasp his ways and nature? You can accept his nature without fully grasping it.
hnixon83 6 months ago
There is only ONE GOD NOT THREE
781042 6 months ago
@781042 Funny, I didn't hear anyone say that there were three God's. You don't even have a valid argument because like most Oneness you make your argument on something that Trinitarians don't believe in. We know there is one God and that Jesus is God. The disagreement is that oneness can't get past the numerical value of a single one or "yachid" without equating it as 3 seperate Gods. "One"=Echad=United One. God is three in "ONE" not seperate, but distinct. "TRINITARIANS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD"!
hnixon83 6 months ago
Jesus is God in the flesh there is one god nd Jesus is his name
781042 6 months ago
For all the Trinitarians - Show me one place in Scripture where someone, anyone, was baptized in the Titles...just ONE place.
Now ask me to show you where they baptize in the Name of Jesus or the Lord's Name.
It does matter - there IS a difference.
UnSkiLd 6 months ago
Jesus said I am. In Judaism , I am is a name of God. I am in Hebrew means self existing. Who did Adam, Enoch, Moses, and Jacob have contact with? It was a human form. Jesus did not change roles because I am always exists. He was not created. It is who we will see on the Throne, but God is more than what you see. Jesus defined God in Matthew 28:19 in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Yes, God may have one name, but that does not change how Jesus defined God.
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
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In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said in name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Jesus defined with one name, but Jesus defined God as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. In Matthew 28:46 Jesus said that Father forsaken him, so either Father left him in action or Jesus made false statement. God may have one name, but that does not change how defines himself. God is an unique one and Oneness is a simple one. Jesus was a Jew come back to reason.
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
Wow! Listening to this clip really reminded me how Oneness adherents really do believe it's "them against us". I was raised in oneness and I was amazed when I finally realized that everything I had been taught about "TRINITARIANS" was completely off, misunderstood and misconscrewed. Read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. This hasn't happened yet!
hnixon83 6 months ago
So can a oneness person tell me. If I am baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. I believe and live a seperated holiness life. I am filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Am I going to hell?
musdvdlvr 6 months ago
@musdvdlvr You may have the Holy Ghost and have faith in Christ and live a good life. But in the end you do not have Christs Name upon you. Christ IS the Father, Son and Holy Ghost - It takes more than this, to be born again and 'Saved' you MUST Repent and be baptized in the of Jesus Christ for the remissions of sins and you will be filled with the Holy Ghost.
UnSkiLd 6 months ago
In the end God will place us, one of the left and one on the right. To the Right He Will say 'Be gone from me, I do not know you' (paraphrase) They will say 'God we cast out demons in your name, we prophesied in your name' - Jesus says 'I do not know you'
Why? Because all they had was faith they did NOT have His Name upon their souls through Baptism.
UnSkiLd 6 months ago
@UnSkiLd You do realize that it is Christ's blood that washes away our sins and not Baptism? Baptism is the outward profession and seal of one's new life in Christ.Oneness doctrine misunderstands the context of "In the name". In the name means "by one's authority". We are baptized "into" Christ, his death and resurrection. The MAN SPOKEN FORMULA isn't what authenticates the baptism. When someone professes Jesus Christ as Lord at their baptism they are baptized "into" Jesus' name and authority.
hnixon83 6 months ago
listen to this..0:16-0:56.. its because We've Got THE HOLY GHOST..WE HAVE THAT POWER...TO REBUKED THE DEVIL..CAUSE WE HAVE THE POWER..ACTS1:8...TO GOD BE THE GLORY..!!
lemb0tzzz 7 months ago
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guyz...let me clear this preaching to you trinitarians...
yeah.. u ol ryt..we are Christians..But the difference is We The Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal experience The Baptism In the NAME Of JESUS..ANd RECeive the HOLYGHOST..with the evidendence of speaking of tongues..We experience Pentecostes..same as what d apostles xperience In ACTS 2..we Also receive the HOLY GHOST..WE ARE BORN AGAIN NOT BY NAME BUT BY EXPERIENCE..THATS WHY GREATER IS HE..THAT IS WITHIN ME AND HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD.
lemb0tzzz 7 months ago
guyz...let me clear this preaching to you trinitarians...
yeah.. u ol ryt..we are Christians..But the difference is We The Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal experience The Baptism In the NAME Of JESUS..ANd RECeive the HOLYGHOST..with the evidendence of speaking of tongues..We experience Pentecostes..same as what d apostles xperience In ACTS 2..we Also receive the HOLY GHOST..WE ARE BORN AGAIN NOT BY NAME BUT BY EXPERIENCE..THATS WHY GREATER IS HE..THAT IS WITHIN ME AND HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD..
lemb0tzzz 7 months ago
So even though I love Jesus and have accepted him as the savior to all mankind on my hands and knees, I am still going to hell because I am a classical (trinitarian) pentecostal? We might not agree on issues, but I still believe we are all Christians, do oneness Pentecostals believe different?
kenmanwou 7 months ago
@kenmanwou we as Christians understand that we serve a God of order, a God in which specifies to the very cubic, He has always been that way since the blueprints of Noah's ark to the new testament plan of salvation. I would reply that oneness Pentecostals do not believe different but that The Word of God declares it to be different and we as oneness pentecostals believe the Word of God. See John 3:3-5, Acts 4:12, and Acts 2:38 for a start. Thank you for your time, may God Bless You.
009calebg 7 months ago
Jesus would just say I AM GOD simply. Jesus is our brother as Jesus said, so is the Holy spirit our brother also? or he is a cousin of some sort? One can never be three, God gave us knowledge to know how to count and to understand when He said the He is Only One and no other.
morcsismoo 7 months ago
did Jesus know when he will come here for the judgement day? No, only the Father! now is that equal?
morcsismoo 7 months ago
I'm in that fight and we wont lose
TheSantified 8 months ago
ISAIAS 52:6 ROMANOS 9-5 1JHON 5 JUST ONE!!!!! OUR LORD JESUS!!!!!!!!!
iglesiadelnombre 9 months ago
DEUT. 6:4
THE TRINITY IS *NOT* FOUND IN THE BIBLE
FROM FRONT TO BACK, TOP TO BOTTOM......IT'S 1 GOD
THE WORLD, AND THE MISLEAD ALIKE NEED TO BE REACHED OUT TO
AND PRAY FOR THOSE THAT REJECT THE COMPLETE TRUTH.
1261JDB 9 months ago 2
@BookOfActsRevival Amen I hear that! God bless you!
rossdaboss1959 9 months ago
Preach Bro. Stoneking, Preach!!!
MrTRex777 9 months ago
It is truly sad for those that follow a trinitarian doctrine, they have the desire but, follow one of satan's ploy to decieve. God is one God, he came to earth in the flesh, we now know him as Jesus. There are countless verses in the bible to support this and yet only one or two that might otherwise lead a person into believing in a trinity or committee in heaven.
GTCism 10 months ago
@GTCism I was raised UPC, Jesus Name, One God. I still have those beliefs, but I cannot believe how people fight and argue and get mad over the difference in 2 simple doctrines. First of all fighting over these doctrinal points doesn't do anyone any good...Jesus Name people are not going to convince Trinity people and Trinity people are not going to convince Jesus name people to change...forget it! Reach out to the people that don't attend church and are going to Hell....
eddydean07 10 months ago 3
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Stvnkid92jesus 10 months ago
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We both love jesus, and accept him as the lord and savior to all mankind. Hating one another isn't going to solve anything. As a Trinitarian Pentecostal who is Engaged to a Oneness Pentecostal, we both believe that all those who have given their heart are going to heaven, no matter which doctrine you follow, or what denomination you belong to. In the end, we are all Christians.
kenmanwou 8 months ago
@eddydean07 Agreed. I am an Ex-Pentecostal though I hold on to very few of their beliefs and I still believe in God. But on to the topic, I see so many Pentecostals who argue and belittle others, even those who are out to intimidate them, and Jesus never said to do any of that. He said if someone strikes you across the face, turn the other cheek and let them have at it.
jonn86 2 months ago
@eddydean07 that is right bro. It is not the will of God to argue or debate always on this matter. Sometimes these people are being very judgemental.
zedrev01 1 month ago
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freakman707 11 months ago
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"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference...To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." Jude 1:21-22 &25. Jesus is God! John 1:1 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Verse 14 then says "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." It was God's love for us that He came to save
ArtByJacy 11 months ago
1Co 15:28 After everything is under the power of God's Son, he will put himself under the power of God, who put everything under his Son's power. Then God will mean everything to everyone.
1 person or more ??
akkafietje 1 year ago
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2besavedcom 1 year ago
The Trinity & baptism meet at our core. We’re made in God’s triune image –body, soul & spirit. Baptism, not just bodily immersion into H2O, but immersion of our entire triune being into the Triune God. With Acts 2:38,8:16 & Gal 3:27, it’s clear water baptism most identifies & unifies us with Jesus. In Acts 1:5,10:47,11:16,1cor12:13,immersion & filling with the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit only can enter repentant circumsized hearts (Act 2:37) which have opened the heats’ door(Rev3:20)
messianicreformer 1 year ago
@messianicreformer that is the sadest view I have ever heard someone even try an explain the triune nature of God which is a complete error. I'm sorry but God is not a trinity and can not be compared to human logic.
MrApostolicdoctrine1 1 year ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 . Yes God can be compared to human logic. Jesus says that we should be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect, He says that the kingdom of God is like yeast in 3 lumps of bread, He says that we should forgive as He does, He says we are made in His image, He says "first the physical and then then spiritual" comparing the two (yes within human logic), you can't even say "He's not a trinity" without using your God given logic
messianicreformer 1 year ago
@messianicreformer The whole reason the trinity came about is because men tried to understand the godhead with human logic. It does not come by human logic, but by revelation. Jesus told peter, for flesh and blood has not revealed this unto thee, but my father which is in heaven. God is not a trinity...
MrApostolicdoctrine1 1 year ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Even Jesus said, worship the Lord your God with all of your heart, MIND, soul and strength. Yes, we use faith, logic, strength, scripture revelation etc...God made us in whose image Gen 1:26? Shma Yisrael Yahweh Elohei'nu (Elohim) is plural or singular? If you don't know look it up.
messianicreformer 1 year ago
Job 13:6-10, Will ye accept his PERSON? not PERSONS! Isaiah 40:25, 41:4, 43:3-15, 44:6-8, 24. 45:5-7, 12-19, 21-22. 46:5-10. 63:3, 5-6, 16. Matthew 1:23. St John 1:1-14, Galatians 3:20, GOD IS ONE. Ephesians 4:6, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16 1 John 5:20, Genesis 1:26=Proverbs 8:22-36. Titus 2:13, St John 20:28. I just don't see how anybody can go along with the trinity after reading these scriptures. No where does it state anything about three persons in one. Acts 2:38 is still God's plan.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago 17
@rossdaboss1959 Yes, the bible never mentions, "trinity" or "abortion" or antiabortion. But if you have God's Spirit you can know by everything else in the scripture that its principles teach not to do such. Jesus is the King of Kings mentioned in Revelation, yet in the old t. Yahweh and Elohim is the king of kings. There can only be only king of kings. How can this be? From our perseption in 3D reality they are 3 but if you go to Heaven u won't see 3 you'll see only 1 as you and jesus said.
messianicreformer 1 year ago
@rossdaboss1959 Rev 1:17 Jesus say He's the first and last. Isaiah 41:4 God says He is the first and last. If there is only one first and last, and He died and came back to life, then God died, yet we or the universe can't exist a second without God, so even while God the Son died, God the Father was still in heaven. This seems impossible, but with God all things are possible. If they are both the First and Last either one is lying or the 2 are one as Jesus said "I and the father are one"
messianicreformer 1 year ago
@rossdaboss1959 right on brother ross!
erichathy222 11 months ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Who is the Alpha and Omega?
messianicreformer 1 year ago
@messianicreformer If we’re made in God’s triune image –body, soul & spirit, how come we are not three persons, but God is? Wouldn't you rather agree that your body, soul and spirit are natures, manifested in to one being; who you are, just as God's triune natures are manifested as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, yet still one being?
JRulkiewicz 1 year ago
@JRulkiewicz Good job brother, the bible says we were made in his (singular) image not their image. If God was made up of three persons than the proper pronouns would be, made in their likeness.
MrApostolicdoctrine1 1 year ago
@JRulkiewicz The mistake is trying to compare man with God. There is only one God who took on flesh and became a man. He didn't stop being God. He was fully man and fully God. God u can't see but in Jesus Christ. That's why Jesus said, he that sees me has seen the father. I and my father are one. Isaiah 9:6 proof. He's the mighty God, The everlasting father. Acts 2:38 is still God's plan of salvation. Everybody came the same way when the church go started.
rossdaboss1959 11 months ago 10
@rossdaboss1959 No doubt, amen!
JRulkiewicz 11 months ago
This is immersing oneself in repentance (Acts13:24) or turning away from sin & turning toward Father thru faith in His Son. But there’s only 1 baptism-Eph 4:5. How could there be 3? If in Eph 4:5 “1 Lord”,how is there 3?If God is 3 in 1, immerses our nature,also 3 in 1, wouldn’t the process also be 3 in 1 immersing us into all 3 persons?Mt 28:19,“baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”, unity is preserved when discussing salvations’ link to baptism-1Pet3:21
messianicreformer 1 year ago
soulsurcher the book of acts is not the only book in the bible . this what i mean when i said the devil laughing because the children of god hate each other.i believe in the whole bible not just the book of acts.so if you won't to push trinity faith people farther way go ahead . if this wasn't true you would not be responding to me. so crucify and condemn them cause you are holy .
rbj1905 1 year ago
soul surcher the world is not mad it's the devil the bible says this in revelations. i think you missed my point iam not saying he was wrong . iam saying that if you go in and tell the trinity people they are going to hell you are going to push them farther way . iam not talking about sinners they are different . i would like too see everyone realize that there is only one god .
rbj1905 1 year ago
yes it is time to be on fire for god this i under stand very well. i was brouht up trinity faith in the 70's and 80's and when you talked to the jesus name people all they did was condem i thought their brains were twisted from their hair beening so tight .you cannot win souls my being mad or angry because they don't beleive what you beleive show them the way this is what jesus did . i have set under a lot of preacher that was hard shelled but you know even the jesus name people has changed alot
rbj1905 1 year ago
don't get me wrong i beleive in one god and jesus name bastism but there no signs of love and compasion for people . show the word in love not madness this is a trick of the devil .i have shown a lot of people scriptures on one god and tell them to read them by theier self and ask god for the truth and he will show them . i know because i was one of them first. he will open your eyes if you let him.but bashing people with the word will only harden them. IN JESUS NAME AMEN
rbj1905 1 year ago
@rbj1905 This world is madness. What is shown on tv for entertainment is madness. The music of our world is madness! The people who have turned their backs on God is madness! Their is a method to our madness, and it is found in one scripture "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force." We will get this message out any way we can even if it kills us. This is true purpose and is what brings true peace and joy.
soulsurcher 1 year ago
@rbj1905 Love you say. If I didn't love people I would sit back and forget I ever knew about this One God apostolic message! I would refuse to share my testimony. I would argue, and contend with men of greater stature of faith rather then doing what the word of God tells me. "Try the spirits to see whether they be of God" This man is preaching in love, this man is the kind of man who would pray for you on the spot with all his heart and would not cease to pray until you had your answer from God
soulsurcher 1 year ago
@rbj1905 We can't be passive with our Christianity when the world is getting worse, and worse. We need to be bold as lions! We need to bring a message that will shake people out of their shoes, and cause them to run not walk to an alter of repentence. The world! Satan knows the condition of the church. He reads the bible too. Lukewarmness just aint gonna cut it! It's time to get on fire for God. The book of acts isn't finished! We are the church of this age, and of the last days. Praise God!!!!!
soulsurcher 1 year ago
who needs the devil to fight when the church fights and condem one other . why don;t you pray that god will open everyone eyes to the truth instead you stand and condem them if you have what you say you got spend your time praying for the people that has been miss lead don't judge them it is as much your fault as is the people miss leading them .god loves them and if you don't love them you are worse than them. this sound like hate to me not love and that is what ist is all about love one anothe
rbj1905 1 year ago
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
winterband 1 year ago
Instead of us debating the scriptures let us look into the Word of God. It is written in 1 Timothy 3:16-And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, recieved up into glory. Sometimes the scriptures can be difficult to understand(afterall we are but finite beings)but this verse in particular helps clear up any misunderstandings about Gods divinity.
sojirokyoji 1 year ago
@sojirokyoji Jesus Christ is God! good post and thanks for sharing the word!
skiebuster 1 year ago
15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Timothy 2:15
1982christinagreen 1 year ago
When you really study it out, the name of "Jesus", is at best a "Transliteration"; definitely not a "Translation". It is more of a corruption or an aberration of the original. If you really want to honor him, and give him his rightful place as a man, then calling him by his rightful name is the way to go. I choose to call him "Y'SHUA or Yeshua". I am a gentile. But I want to respect and honor him for who he is as a man.........Oh, by the way; you still understand he is still a "JEW"; RIGHT?
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
As far as translation of the name "Jesus" is concerned, there is no continuity or consistency between the name of "Jesus" and the "Hebrew" name. Conduct your own private and independant study. We need to honor him for who he is. We need to honor what he himself honors. We need to honor the fulness of his manhood, and not neglect the importance of it at the expense of majoring on the "Godhead". Should not we call our savior by his rightful name. He has a right to it. It is his name!
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
Having said this, until we can fully and more accurately understand who the historical "MAN" we call "JESUS" is, we need not contend about the "Godhead or Diety of "JESUS"! There is nothing "Jewish, Hebraic or Judaic" about the name of "JESUS". Whether you import it back into the "Hebrew language" or export it from the same, the name is not "Jewish or Hebrew". The name of "JESUS" is not an authentic or direct translation of the original name of this man from the "Hebrew" language .
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
In addition; was not Jesus a native-born Israeli (Sabra)? Was not what Jesus believed, embraced, honored and taught derived from the deep soil of what is known as "Torah, Nevi'im & ketuv'im"; more accurately "Torah"= Law or let's make it simple; the first (5) books of what we call the "Old Testament"? This is where we get the acronym "TNK", from where we get the term "TANAK"= O.T. Let's crystalize it even more; these were the "Original & Authenic God-Breathed teachings for humanity; no?
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
Good Morning,
Can anyone out there in "Technology Land", please tell me who the "Historical" man that we gentiles call "JESUS" really is; as a man? Why in the world do we address this man as "JESUS"? Jesus was Jewish; no? Jesus was Hebrew; no? A literal physical descendant of "Abraham, Issac & Jacob"; no? Was not his ancestral line traced back to the "Tribe of Judah"? Does not the chronological record of his descendance stem and find roots within the matrix of ancient "Judaism"............?
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
Last thought; neither do I believe and accept the school of thought that the "LORD GOD" of the Bible is limited and/or restricted and isolated and should not be subjected to the line of belief that "HE IS "ONE" WHO IS COMPRISED OF ONLY "FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST" and thereby defined as the "THREE IN ONE" in personage respects. That to to me is nonsense and unacceptable! I can not find the consistency or continuity of that thought pattern represented in the Bible either.
WRC
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
We are quite intrusive as a people, attempting to abruptly and arrogantly intrude into the realms of the "ETERNAL" with our limited and/or finite minds and inserting our subjective views using an eisegesis approach. It is utterly impossible, off the pages, off the edge, out of wack, ridiculous and out of line to actually think that the GOD of the Bible is simply and solely a solitary "ONE" person and/or personage. I myself am a "ONENESS APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL", but I do not see the consistency.
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
God is "ONE" for one primary reason; remember, one is never dependant on any additional number to find totality, completeness, wholeness or fulfillment. "ONE" represents a single entity; sometimes referred to as unity; any number multiplied by one is the number, as one is the identity for multiplication. "ONE" is "Complete and Total" all "IN AND OF ITSELF". "ONE" is self-resourceful, self-dependant and self-sustaining. "ONE" does not need any additional number to find this. Yes, God is "ONE".
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
Here, within the "JUDAIC/HEBRAIC" scriptures, we find the unchanging nature and essence of "GOD". God most definitely possesses "MASCULINE/FEMININE" qualities and/or attributes, but that does not make "GOD" a person; meaning a "HE and or SHE". We can not represent God by stating that God is even "Male or Female". "GOD IS THE LORD WHO IS ETERNAL AND GOD IS ONE". Keep it biblical. The LORD GOD is ONE, not because God is one person, but because God is "ONE LORD GOD" who is "ETERNAL".
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
I do not see God as a "Person". Let us keep it biblically "Textual and Contextual". God is both "Spirit" and "A Spirit". Do you get my drift? Do you know why I say this? God is "Eternal". God is "One". We should not use multiple pronouns to represent God, for God is neither "He or She". God is biblically represented as the "LORD GOD" who is "ONE". Keep it simple! The best scriptural interpretive that I can ever give you that is revelatory can only be found in what is known as "TORAH".
WRC
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
Just a quick thought; you can not measure that which is "Eternal" by that which is "Physical"; but we can measure the "Physical" by that which is "Eternal". "Eternal vastly outweighs "Mental". We continually attempt to relate and understand that which is "Eternal" by that which is "Mental".............big problem! I never could understand how so-called "Born-again Christians" could relate to the "God" of the Bible as a "Person". God is in no way a person, as far as person can be defined.
WRC
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
Bottom-line; keep what you believe; keep your faith and keep what you speak in line with God's Word consistent, constant and continuous and you will experience the truth that spiritual laws rooted in God's Word can not lie and that you will come face to face with what you seek and experience the unseen and unknown realities promised in his Word.....................................Be Blessed!
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
@wrcosgrove I say believe in all of Gods word, and make your election sure.
Repent, receive the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and receive the Holy Ghost.
skiebuster 1 year ago
In order to have a more accurate and crystalized understanding of all of this, we need to have more of a refreshed and adjusted understanding of things like believe, faith, confession, obedience and experience; and in just this sequential order. You may not think so, but your verbal confession or the words you speak from your mouth in line with God's Word carry more weight in the realm of eternity as far as executing any spiritual law to date. Word's create life; always have and always will.
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
The roots I speak of are those roots that stem from eternity and from the eternal mind of God. Roots, meaning truth, knowledge, understanding and wisdom of which God himself watches over and by which he himself operates. Remember, God has magnified his Word above his name and watches over his Word to ensure that nothing returns void. All of it is right before you. Do not go before God's Word with a "Pre" anything mindset; he can show you some things. It is not formula's; it is "Spiritual Law"!
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
In addition, I say that we have much learning, unlearning and relearning to consider. It really has absolutely nothing to do with a formula. We need to go back to school and revisit some things of grave importance. The serious things to consider that will determine whether or not you see the fruition of genuine and authentic results according to God's Word as far as regenerative, recreative and restorative results are concerned are those things rooted beneath the foundation of God's Word.
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
What is imperatively and essentially important on many of these issues is that we always keep in mind the intrinsic value of the total embodiement of God's mind, mindset and his way of thinking about issues of this sort and beyond.
Simply put; we need to think like he thinks; see things as he see's them and embrace his perspective and vantage point on issues. How do we manage this; by keeping his "WORD" the primary "AUTHORITY". Way to much "eisegesis" and not enough "exegesis"!
wrcosgrove 1 year ago
aTrueHybrid,
I also believe that the one called (Christ Jesus is the Father Himself). -aTrueHybrid
(Transubstantiation) IS A CHANGE in form or substance of something. This contradicts The Words of Yah (יהוה) via Malachi 3:6 stating that, "For I, YaHUaH (יהוה), DO NOT CHANGE (or transubstantiate) therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed."
Christianity as a whole gropes for truth thus is why Syncretism dictates Their Theorems by a trinity, or by a oneness idol that Yah DID NOT CREATE...
Christianizers 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid the scripture does not say he will 'rid himself of his humanit manifestation'. IT says in 1Cor 15:28 - that the Son will be subjected to GOD so GOD may be all in all. You just contradicted this scripture by saying this flesh manifestation of God (son) will be gone. Your beliefs are of pagan philosophy.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid GOD does not change. Mal 3:6, James 1:17. But you say he changed and took on the nature of man. You speak lies. Scripture says GOD is not a man - Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9, Isaiah 31:3, etc. Yet you say GOD is a man. Scripture cannot be broken - Jesus spoke this truth in John 10:35. Once again, you speak lies against God's Word.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid How can you pierce eternal spirit? Nonetheless, when Jesus spoke to Saul, he said Why are you persecuting Me? Was Saul persecution Jesus or the followers of Him? In the same Way, if yahweh says they pierced Me, and yahweh was in messiah, can he take it personally like Jesus did in Acts with saul? Regardless, Israel is supposed to turn to GOD by crucifying the Messiah. this is the point of this, it is not stating he is Yahweh.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid clever game you have here. Zec 12:10 - they will look upon me whom they have pierced and they will mourn for HIM. If they pierced yahweh why are they mourning for HIM. it should say ME if that were the case. The text reads they will look to/towards(ale) me because of whom they have pierce, they will mourn for Him....Read genesis 4:10 - your brothers blood cries out TO ME. same word in Zec 12:10. But let us say it says they pierced yahweh now? First of all, it doesnt make sense.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid To trust in Gods anointed is idolatry? By whose definition? Would you obey king saul, king david, etc. What is your definition of divine, because Jesus partook in the divine nature of GOD - rom 1:20, 2peter 1:4. We will all be divine. We are not God. Do you realize how Jesus is the second Adam? Do you wonder what relation he has to the first adam? if Jesus is god incarnate he has no relation to the first adam. Do you understand the new creation of GOD? Jesus is the first 1cor 15:20.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid actually man is spirit soul and body. We are not three persons in One Man like you claim GOD is. Romans 8:9 - Read john 7:39 - Jesus was given the holy spirit by GOD. John 5:26 - For as the Father has life in himself, he granted the Son to have life in himself. John 5:30 - I can do nothing on my own. as i hear, i judge. and my judgment is just because i dont seek my own will, but the will of HIM who sent me. Clearly Jesus spoke the truth. Read John 8:40. what did Jesus say?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid No if a man is dead he cannot bring himself back to life. because he isnt alive to do it. Once again, Jesus did not kill himself, nor did he raise himself. This is a parable, you cant take parables literally. If you want literal read the book of ACTS see how many time it states the true gospel GOD raised Jesus.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid His Word is the prophecies about Jesus being born, when Jesus was born his word became flesh because the prophecies were fulfilled in this jesus of nazareth - Acts 10:38. logos is no expression it is communication, spoken word, etc. If you do not believe my logos, then research it for yourself. I read the logos of GOD every day. Say 10 logos in spanish. Get it? logos is not a person, logos is personified at times. you cannot personify a person.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Once again if the spirit of GOD being full in christ means he is GOD, then we are GOD also according to Eph 3:19. He did not make a veil, he tore down the veil - Matt 27:51, 2Cor 3:15-16, Eph 2:13-14. We are temples of GOD - 2Cor 6:16. Repent of your trinity babylon idol. Stop following the people of Acts 14:11.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid if no one could take his life from him, meaning no one can kill him, then Who Died for your sins? Apparently Peter knew they could kill Jesus in John 18:10 - he cut off the high priests ear trying to defend Jesus. Did peter, knowing Jesus was the messiah and son of the living God (Matt 16:16) try to defend Almighty GOD in the flesh with a puny sword? Do you think you or Peter had a better understanding of who Christ was? Do not be ignorant of satan's devices.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Yes true. Read the book of Acts and count how many times scripture says GOD raised Jesus. Jesus did not destroy his own temple - did he commit suicide? Jesus gave his life yes, but he did not beat and kill himself. you say sinners did not kill Jesus, you contradict scripture once again - Acts 2:22-23- states Jesus of nazareth a man attested to you by GOD with mighty works and deeds which GOD did through him, this Jesus given up according to Gods foreknowledge, killed by SINNERS.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid If you want to learn about mystery babylon in Rev 18:2-4 then let me know because I have learned quite a bit i might be able to show you a few things to help out. In V.4 it says God is calling us out of mystery babylon - How will you know what to come out of unless you first recognize what babylon is? Let me know my friend - May the GOD of peace bless you in coming to a knowledge of his Son Jesus the Messiah to the perfect man. AMEN.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid If you want to be humble or prideful that is your own choice, but if suggest you humble yourself and take the scriptures for what they say. If the World believe in a trinity that doesn't affect you, but if YOU believe in a trinity you are worshipping a false GOD. If you do not believe that Jesus is the son of God, the messiah, and master, then you will indeed DIE in your sins. If you believe he 's eternal GOD then you'll die in your sins. Dont follow the people of Acts 14:11
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Why are we commanded to have faith in a man? Why are we commanded to not lie, steal, covet, blaspheme, etc.? Because GOD commanded it - GOD has appointed this man to judge the world - Acts 10:42, 17:31 - Will you resist the anointed one of GOD? Will you question who GOD has appointed? This man is the One who died for our sins and whom GOD raised from the dead to be an everlasting priest to make atonement for our sins. This man obeyed GOD unlike you. He is the new creation Rev 3:14.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid I already showed how Jesus did not say he was alpha and omega. Jesus can also say he is the first and last - but that still does not make him eternal GOD. Is jesus the firstfruits? Is Jesus the firsbegotten from the dead? Then in Matt 9:6 - You claim he is GOD because he forgave sins. Read down below in matt 9:8 - the people glorified GOD who gave such power to MEN. He was given the authority to forgive sins by GOD. Read John 20:22-23 - Are the disciples GOD now too?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid You said Rev 1:3 but i think you meant 1:8. Read Rev 1:4-6 = who is who was and who is to come, the seven spirits, and Jesus Christ. Three seperate things. Now read 1:8 - who is who was and who is to come - Same thing - Jehovah. Also in rev 4:8, 11:17, 16:5-7, the Lord God Almighty is Jehovah and the lamb is Jesus. Rev 22:13 - You say this means Jesus is GOD? Read rev 22:9 - Who is speaking? The angel, and the angel is speaking on behalf of GOD - Rev 22:6 GOD sent his angel to speak
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Read 2Kings 13:5, Isaiah 19:20, Acts 5:31 - God raises up saviors to send for his people. Remember Moses? Did not Jehovah send moses to bring his people out of egyptian slavery? Did Jehovah send Jesus to bring his people out of slavery to sin? - Isaiah 42. If God being called savior and Jesus called savior means Jesus is God, then Read 1Peter 5:8-the devil is a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Read Hosea 13:7-8, Amos 3:8 - Is GOD satan now? This is the same logic.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Yes you have been deceived by mystery babylon - this came from the roman catholic church. i guarantee you have more in common with thier pagan doctrines then you think. That is why I am telling you to flee from these doctrines and worship the One True God Jehovah and to wait for His Son Jesus the Messiah from Heaven. 1Thes 1:9-10 - Turn from the trinity idol now. Rev 22:3-4 - His name will be on their foreheads=Read Rev 3:12 - the name of Jesus' GOD on their foreheads.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid 2 Peter 1:1 - Read verse two right below it, it reads knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. Don't try to play word games with one sentence out of the bible to confuse people. They are separated right below that verse as they are in the entire bible - Read every epistle greetings from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Always separate, no mention of God the Holy Spirit or a trinity anywhere. The only true God is the Father, the One Jesus prayed to and cried out to, His God.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Titus 2:13 - the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the glory of GOD - Matt 16:27, Mark 8:38, 1Cor 11:17 (isn't Messiah a man), 2Cor 4:6, etc. Paul uses this same manner of expression in 1Thes 2:19-20. He says the saints of thessalonica are his glory and joy, just as Messiah is the glory and joy of GOD, and we are the messiah's glory and joy. All glory is TO and FROM GOD - even bowing to Jesus - Phillipians 2:11 is for Gods glory.
markpaghi 1 year ago
IM NOT INTO ARGUING WITH PEOPLE BUT ALL I KNOW IS THAT IM ONENESS AND I LOVE EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF IT.....AND I KNOWWWWW!!!!!!! THAT IT IS REALLL!!!!!!!! JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!
RalphakaLana 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid So was Jesus born of God? Do i need to read John 3:16? Again in 1John 3:7-whoever practices righteousness is righteous, just as God is righteous. Lev 11:44-45 - Be Holy, for I am Holy. 1John 4:4 - He who is in you is greater then He who is in the world. Who is in us? 1Corin 15:28 - so God may be All in All. 2Peter 1:4 - Did Jesus partake in this divine nature and overcome the world? John 16:33, Rev 3:21, 1John 5:4.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid No one is good except God alone - If Jesus were God he would not make this statement. 1John 2:1 - We have an advocate WITH the Father, not an advocate, who IS the Father. [Jesus Christ the righteous]. How many people are called righteous in the bible? Gen 7:1, Psalm 140:13, Prov 10:24, 11:21, 29:2, Isaiah 57:1, Ezek 21:4, 2 Peter 2:8, etc. The whole bible is filled with them, i can go all night. 1John 2:29- everyone one who practices righteousness has been born of God.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Romans 9:5 says Christ who is over all God blessed forever. Is the Messiah not blessed by God forever? Did he not make him a priest forever? Heb 7:21-22- is this not a blessing to be the mediator of the new covenant, a better covenant? There are also alternate translations that say human ancestry of messiah. God who is over all be blessed forever. OR messiah who is over all. God be forever praised. This latter interpretation is better - Read Rom 1:25, 2Cor 11:31, 1Tim 1:11, etc.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid John 8:24 - Unless you believe that i am he you will die in your sins. Then in John 8:28 - when you see the son of man lifted up (crucified) then you will know that i am he. For this prophecy to be saying they will know that I am the I AM-yahweh, it would have to be fulfilled at his crucifixion. What did the people say? Luke 23:47, Matt 15:39 - No one recognized him as GOD in the flesh or Yahweh the I AM, so either Jesus is a false prophet or you are? You are speaking lies.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid you ask me questions but you did not answer anything, you completely avoid the questions for fear of admitting your wrong. 1 Tim 3:16 - the text says HE who was manifest in the flesh - that is Jesus - 1 John 3:8 - The Son was made manifest to destroy the works of the devil. Col 2:9 - For in Him the fulness of diety dwells bodily=*Eph 3:19* - Are we God now too? 2Cor 5:19- God was in Messiah, John 14:10- The Father dwells in Jesus. Who is the Father? The only true God - John 17:3.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid It was a prophecy - Do you believe it was fullfilled, Do you believe that Jehovah really did say to the Lord (adon) sit at my right hand? Do you believe it was fulfilled when he talked to Him? Do you believe Jesus is the servant of Jehovah like prophecy says in Isaiah 42 - Or do you believe Jesus IS Jehovah? Do you believe Isaish 61 - that Jehovah anointed Jesus with the holy ghost - Or do you believe Jesus IS Jehovah AND the holy ghost - Do you believe Acts 10:38? You contradict.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Jesus did not raise himself from the dead - the entire book of Acts says GOD raised Jesus. John 2:1 is a parable - Jesus did not destroy his own temple neither did he raise his own temple. Sinners killed Jesus and God raised Him. Scripture does not say that Jesus is eternal spirit God Almighty, rather he is an immortal human flesh and bones.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi God, the I Am of the ot, is the Holy Ghost, and the HG is the Spirit within the fleshly Jesus....they are one and the same.
skiebuster 1 year ago
@skiebuster We are One with GOD and Jesus - John 17:11, 21-23. Jesus has a Father, he is not his OWN Father - John 20:17, Rev 3:12, etc.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi Mathew1:20 for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
God with us????????? conceived by the Holy Ghost?
skiebuster 1 year ago
@skiebuster So who is the Father of Jesus - the holy ghost or God the Father? I know a mexican dude name emmanuel - is he God in the flesh?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi you tell me who is who....dont contradict yourself or the Word which became flesh and dwelt among us. tell me, who conceived Jesus? God, or the Holy Ghost?
skiebuster 1 year ago
@skiebuster I have told you. GOD begot Jesus - you are my Son - Today I have begotten You - Hebrews. For GOD so loved the world he gave his only BEGOTTEN SON. What is your definition of GOD - Who is GOD, is GOD the father, son holy spirit? Or is GOD the Father only? If GOD(trinity) begot Jesus then Jesus begot himself, he is his own father and son, and the holy spirit is also the son and the father, and the holy spirit begot the Father, and the Son begot the Father, etc.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi how can anyone limit what God can do? Who are we to say that God is only this, or that? who is Melchizedek? And please show me in the OT prophecy that a son was coming as the messiah..
who is without days, neither beginning or end? who is the first and the last?
skiebuster 1 year ago
@skiebuster I can't limit GOD - that has nothing to do with what the bible teaches - it teaches Jesus is the Begotten Son of GOD, therefore he is not GOD. This is not trying to limit GOD, GOD has already done what he has willed. You quoted Heb 7:3 - Are you trying to say Jesus has no Father? Matt 10:32. Are you trying to say he has no mother? Matt 1:18. Are you trying to say he has no genealogy? Matt 1:1. Jesus is the first what? The last what?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@skiebuster Rev 1:5 - Firstborn from dead, last ruler of the kings. After All things are subdued to Jesus (except GOD who put them under his feet), Jesus will then be sudued to GOD, this is why he is the last Ruler, GOD will appoint no more rulers/kings after Him. Then GOD will be All in All - 1Corin 15:27-28. Tell me what Deut 18:18-19, Isaiah 42:1-7, 61:1-2, Psalm 110:1, etc. Are prophesying. What are these scriptures trying to say?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@skiebuster Him being the son of God or the son of man has nothing to do with him being the messiah. He is the son of God because he was begotten by GOD and led by the spirit of GOD - Romans 8:14-15, Matt 4:1, Luke 4:1, etc. Jesus being ca