In the Book of Acts, Jesus is presented as a 'man' (Acts 2:22-23). In the Book of 1 Timothy, Jesus is presented as a 'man' (1 Timothy 2:5). In the Book of Hebrews he is presented as a man everywhere. So, he's still a man. Then comes the question of what race and tribe he was of. The answer is found in his genealogy, of Israel of the tribe of Judah. So yes, Jesus not only was a Jew but still is a Jew.
One commentator below claims that no Christian ever says he believes in three Gods.
I wonder if you have read Dr. Robert Morey's long book supporting the Trinity. On. p. 116 he has the heading "Two Yahwehs." Have you considered that? In the Athanasian creed we hear, "the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty and the Holy Spirit Almighty," but this is not three Almighties." Is that clear to you? When did you ever utter a proposition which equates 3 X's with 1X?
Trinitarians overlook the overarching simple evidence, when defining God. 1300 times in the Greek NT "God" means the Father! Jesus is callled "God" twice for certain. Both of these verses are easily explained. But what of the massive evidence of God=Father 1300 times?
Then the Creed of Jesus. The onus is on Trinitarians to prove that the Shema, on which the whole OT is based, is a Trinitarian creed. Jesus agreed on the Shema, not only with Deut. 6:4 but also with a Jewish scribe (Mk 12:29)
Some condemn us for "denying the Deity of Jesus." But what if they are denying the unique Deity of God! The Father is "the only one who is true God" (Jn 17:3) and so to place another in the position of absolute Deity violates the unmatched position of the Father. Jesus is the Man Messiah (I Tm. 2:5) and he has been highly exalted. But even in highest position he is still ADONI, the lord, not a second God. Jesus' creed is violated if someone confesses the Deity of Jesus making two Gods. 1+1=2!
The moment you speak of the "Deity" of Jesus, ie that he IS YHVH or IS GOD, you are committed to two who are GOD, ie more than one God. The creed of the Bible is straightforward. "The LORD (Yahweh) is one LORD" (Mk 12:29). One is not two! The origin of Jesus (Matt. 1:18) is given in detail in Matthew and Luke. Read them very simply, and you will see when the Son came into existence,. Read John only after you have thoroughly understood Matt. and Luke's account of the ORIGIN of the Son of God.
The scribe who agreed wholeheartedly with Jesus in Mk. 12:32 that "God is one and there is no other but He" proved that God is a single Divine Person, not Three. In the scribe's sentence, there are five grammatically singular elements. No one saying "no other but HE' could intend HE to mean He-Three!. The singular personal prounoun HE demonstrably shows that God is a single Person. Do we not all know that a singular personal pronoun denotes a Single Person? We need to return to Jesus' creed.
In a popluar book on the Trinity Dr. Robert Morey speaks of his belief in "TWO YAHWEHs" (on p. 116, The Trinity, Evidence and Issues).This is, alas, blatant polytheism! The understanding of Jesus is uttterly opposed to the idea of Two Yahwehs. Jesus defined God like this: "The LORD our GOD is ONE LORD" Two who are YHVH, or Two Yahwehs goes beyond the teaching of Jesus and the Bible and should be rejected by any who want to worship God in spirit and truth.
Popular Christianity has been yanked out of its original Jewish environment. This was a disaster. Jesus believed in "the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob." Everyone knows that this God of Abrhaam was not a Triune God!. Paul was equally a convinced believer in the God of his Jewish heritage and expressed this clearly in I Tim. 2:5. "There is one God and one mediator between God and man, the human being Jesus Christ." That is perfectly clear.
Jesus had also recited the unitarian creed of Israel.
Ps. 110:1 is a major key to understanding that Jesus is not YHVH! This verse is quoted over and over in the NT as defining the risen Jesus. He is ADONI (my lord) not ADONAI, the Lord God. Unfortunately some authorities actually falsify the facts about the original in Ps. 110:1.
Again, the second lord is ADONI (=my lord, not my Lord). The term ADONI, my lord, is never a reference to GOD. It occurs 195 times and explicitly tells us about a non-DEITY superior.
Who is the God of Abraham, and Isaac and Jacob? This is Yahweh, who is also the God of Jesus. He is a single Divine Self, one Person. To make HIM (a singular pronoun) THREE is to violate commonsense and the universally agreed rules of language. It causes unspeakable argument and division. Unity will come when Christians agree with the creed of Jesus in Mk 12:29. Jesus prescribed the only valid creed. "The Lord God is ONE Lord." This one Person was the God of Abraham and of Israel, and of Jesus.
Salvation is based on obeying Jesus (Heb. 5:9 and hundreds of texts). That being so, why not ask yourself what Jesus commanded in regard to belief in the True God. Jesus quoted the famous, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." This is the core of Jesus' belief and thus ought to be the core of your belief as a follower of Jesus. That creed is a unitarian, non-Trinitarian creed, is it not? Or do you think that Jesus believed in a Triune God? Test yourself on that primary issue.
If we take Jesus' teaching seriously as Christians we ought surely to be bound by his unitarian creed in Mark 12:29. He agreed this unitarian creed with a fellow Jew. No Jew belleved in the Trinity, and nor did Jesus. The Christian creed ought to be the creed of Christ, but we have abandoned Jesus at a fundamental level. Is this wise in view of the teaching of Jesus that we are to be judged by his words? (John 12:44-48)
Jesus was a strict monotheist. He was sent to the people of Israel and they did not believe in a Triune God! Everyone knows that. Jesus affirmed the unitarian creed of Israel when he agreed that "the Lord God is one Lord," with a fellow Jew. There is never a hint that Jesus believed in the Trinity. You should ask yourself then why it is that you are not following Jesus in this matter of creed, You claim to love Jesus and obey him? Then why do you disregard his central creed? Search the heart!
In Jn 17:3 Jesus made a profoundly significant utterance. Life in the age to come, immortality, consists in this that "they come to know YOU [FATHER] THE ONLY ONE WHO IS TRUE GOD, and in Jesus Christ whom you commissioned." Jesus is a Jew and stresses the unitarian creed of Israel. Only ONE PERSON, the Father, is the one true God. No one else is. These are easy statements. Not harder than 'You, Obama, are the only one currently the President of the USA." This is biblical, Jesuanic monotheism.
The creed of Jesus is found in Mark 12:29. "The Lord our GOD is one single Lord." This is also the creed of Israel. Jesus was a Jew and agreed with a Jewish scribe about how many God is. He is one Father, one God. This is affirmed by Paul in I Cor 8:4-6. There is no other God besides Him, the Father. This is unitarian monotheism and it is a tragedy that the church claiming to follow Jesus actually abandoned Jesus at this fundamental level.
There is no Trinity in Matt. 28. Start with the creed of Jesus. "The Lord our God is One Lord." The scribe repeated the words of Jesus by saying that "He is one, there is no other besides Him." That is One Person, not three. Jesus is the founder of the Christian faith and his creed is the one to be believed. His teachings are the final word for us all. We will be judged by adherence to his words and Mark 12:29 is the essential core of his thinking and teaching. Paul echoed this in I Cor. 8.4-6.
I know that people will say, "what about Matt 28:19?" Eusebeus (historian) at the time of constantine explains that this was corrupted to say the hellinistic titles of the trinity. The vatican added the one in John 500 years ago. I don't know if everything these guys teach are true, but I'm going to look into what they have to say. At least I don't feel like I'm the only one looking for the truth. May the God and Father of our Messiah Yeshua bless you and yours to desire and find the truth!
@AbrahamicMovement Fortunately the apostate sect created in the sun god college of the catholic church by the anti-christ constantine is not my church and can not be called or be part of any true assembly of God. Their claims are claims of apostates for the sun-god trinity and not ours. Fortunately I only have one Father and He is my one God. Even the title 'church fathers' is apostate. There claims have no hold. Do you believe in the coming of Elijah - or the two who come to restore all? thx
Why does no one bother to talk about the creed of Jesus? It is found in Mark 12:29. Jesus is in full agreement with a Jewish scribe in declaring his belief in the Lord GOD as ONE Lord,
Jesus could not possibly have subscribed to a Trinitarian creed. Why then are churchgoers invited to abandon Jesus at the most fundamenal level? Why have we discarded Christianity's founder's creed? It makes no sense at all. The NT urges us at all costs to "listen to the Son."
Jesus commands us all to pay attention to who God is, He is the one God of the Creed of Israel. Jesus affirmed the creed of Dt. 6:4 in Mk. 12:29. The scribe agreed with him that there is no GOD "except Him," the One God. We all know that HIM means a singular Person.
Jesus did not say there is more than one Lord. The scribe did not say "no God but THEM."
Do you really imagine that Jesus included himself in that creed? Impossible. A few verses later he defines himself as ADONI, my lord, never God!
Jesus was the original genuine biblical Christian, but Christians have disregarded his teaching about who God is and what the Gospel is. Jesus declared his firm belief in the One God of Israel, certainly not in a Triune God, a Trinity Jesus defined God in Mk 12:29. Christians have abandoned him at this fundamental level, substituting a Trinity for the One single God of Jesus' creed, They have also disregarded his Gospel command to "repent and believe in the Gospel of the Kingdom" (Mk. 1:14,15).
"What would Jesus do?" is the slogan of some Christians? Equally fundamental is this: "How Does Jesus Define God"?: He defines his God, and ours, as one Person, the Father. Jesus commanded that we are to hear and believe the statement, "The Lord our God is one Lord."
That is not two lords or three lords! Jesus was a Jewish-Christian unitarian and would never have accepted the idea of a Triune God. Revival means returning to the words and commands of Jesus starting with Marki 12:29.
One leading exponent of the Trinity says that God is a "complex unity." This is false to the Bible's witness that God is a single Person, a single Divine Self. We know this because thousands of times God is referred to by singular personal pronouns. A singular pronoun means a single, not complex, Person. God is strictly One Person, the Father of Jesus.
No verse says that God is a complex unity. No verse defines God as Three in One. The Bible refers to God about 11,000 times as a single Person.
Trinitarian experts do not seem to agree at all on how to define God. One writer on the Trinity says that GOD is one WHAT in three WHO's. Another is sure that God is a single WHO.
In logic one cannot be 3X and 1X at the same time. That is just nonsense. God is obviously a single He, a single WHO, a single SELF on nearly every page of the Bible! Jesus believed in the ONE GOD (ie one divine Person) and he said that this belief is the core of all good understanding and practice (see Mk. 12:29).
Lk 2:11 says that the one born in Bethlehem was the "Lord Messiah," the Lord Christ. One of the most uninformed comments found on the internet is that this means that the ANOINTED YAHWH was born! Such amazing ignorance points to the vast need for biblical education. The word "lord" does not automatically mean the LORD GOD (Yahweh). Why don't people look at Ps. 11O:1 and learn that the second lord is NOT Yahweh, but rather ADONI= my lord. ADONI never refers to God but always to non-Deity..
Psalm 110:1 remains a barrier to any belief in the Trinity. Quite apart from the fact that about 11,000 occurrence of the words for GOD do not yield a single occasion in which GOD=Triune God, the Greek version (LXX) of Ps. 110:1 merely confirms that ADONI my lord (195 times never referring to God) is correct in the Hebrew Bible The difference between kurios mou and kurios can be documented in scores of texts.Two exceptions because of a double address do not destroy the rule. Adoni is never GOD,
Leading expert and author Dr. James Dunn (Christology in the Making, 251) provokes serious thinking about the paganism in popular Christianity. He wrote, "There is always the possibility that popular pagan superstition became popular Christian superstition by a gradual assimilation and spread of belief." Is the God-Man of the creeds really the historical Messiah? Is the popular gospel about "going to heaven" really the Gospel as Jesus preached it? It is worth a careful investigation.
Phil. 2:5ff. says not a word about Jesus being GOD and becoming man. The subject is not GOD, but a human being in the image/form of God. It is the Messiah Jesus whom Paul describes. The Messiah Jesus is "the MAN Messiah Jesus" (I Tm 2:5). "No one has seen God," and so it would be sheer contradiction to say "the Messiah is God." Jesus was the visible image of the invisible God. As the uniquely privileged Son of God (Lk. 1:35), Jesus took the role of servant and obeyed God to the point of death.
The Hebrews writer spends the early part of his exhortation arguing that Jesus as Son of God is superior to angels (he cannot therefore be Michael the archangel!), superior to Moses; and that the Son is the final word of God to us all. This demonstrably means that the SON cannot BE God! You don't argue that the Son is superior to an angel, if you believe he IS GOD!. All you would say is that the SON is coequal with the Father. Jesus is "god" in a Messianic sense in 1:8. Only the Father is GOD.
God expressly did NOT speak in a SON in the OT times. This is stated categorically by Heb.1:1-2. The NT teaches that the Son of God was brought into existence supernaturally some 2000 years ago. This means that Jesus is truly a seond Adam. It was later pagan influence which turned him into a person who did not originate as Matthew and Luke describe.
The Messiah died for our sins. God cannot die. "I am he," in Jn. 8:58 describes Jesus as the Messiah in God' s plan and purpose.
Jesus gave 3 commands concerning who God is and our duty to HIm. Jesus declared that the most important theo-logy of all is this: "HEAR, O ISRAEL, the Lord our GOD is one Lord" (Mk. 12:28ff.). That is the first imperative: HEAR. We are to love that One God, and thirdly we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. Most forget the first command of Jesus. We are to worship the one God of Jewish, biblical unitary monotheism, not a strange incomprehensible God who is mysteriously THREE. Follow Jesus!
NT Christians insist on obedience to Jesus (Jn. 3:36; II Jn. 7-9; Heb. 5:9, etc.). Obedience obviously means hearing, understanding and believing what Jesus taught. Jesus bases his love of God and service of God on love and obedience to the one God of Israel, his Father.
Churches have opted NOT to follow Jesus at a fundamental level. Churches gather under the umbrella of a strange Triune God, not known to Jesus. Jesus was a Jew and the pioneer, model Christian. Why not follow him in Mk. 12:28f.?
Jesus puts at the center of Christian faith the unitarian creed, formal definition of God, which was revealed to Israel. Jesus knew nothing of a Triune God. Jesus affirmed the unitarian creed of Israel (Mk 12:29ff.). Is no one troubled by the obvious fact that churches have abandoned Jesus at the most basic level. Jesus believed in One God, the Father. Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. Jesus never modified Israel's definition of GOD as a single divine Person, certainly not three. Return to Jesus.
“The Son of God came to give us an understanding so that we might know God” (I Jn. 5:20). Is. 53:11, “By his knowledge my Servant will make many righteous.”
Salvation is given to those who obey Jesus (Hb. 5:9). Why not start by obeying Jesus' first and fundamental command: "change your minds and believe the Gospel about the Kingdom." This is in Mk. 1:14, 15. Look at conversion in the NT, "When they believed Philip as he evangelized them with the Gospel of the Kingdom, they got baptized"
“In the Book of Acts the Kingdom of God was still the general formula for the substance of Christian teaching” (Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. II, p. 855).
“The Kingdom announced by the Messiah who is the Son of Man is possible only through his death and will be finally and fully realized on earth only at his glorious return. This is indeed the heart of the Gospel.” (Donald Hagner, PhD, Word Biblical Commentary on Matthew, 1-13, p. 214.
On the lips of Jesus the term Kingdom of God unquestionably summarized the very heart of his Message. “The Kingdom of God is the central theme of the teaching of Jesus, and it involves his whole understanding of his own person and work” (Theological Word Book of the Bible, Alan Richardson, p. 119). [Luke 4:43 is repeated by Paul in Acts 20: 24, 25 ministry course given by Jesus, Gospel of the grace of God = the preaching of the Kingdom, v. 25]
Bishop Wright in his quotation below says that the question as to what the Gospel is is a question worth asking. "15 subsequent years of teaching at Oxford. Montreal and Cambridge have convinced me that this question… is worth asking.’”
Worth asking?!! Superb British understatement. He is asking the quesion as to what Christianity is, and it appears he is still unsure. The answer is that Jesus preached the saving Gospel about the Kingdom and did not just die for it! The Kingdom is vital.
Prof. and Bishop NT Wright (Jesus and the Victory of God, 1996, xiv): “In one sense I have been working on this book on and off for most of my life. Serious thought began, however, when I was invited in 1978 to give a lecture at Cambridge on ‘the Gospel in the Gospels.’ The topic was not just impossibly vast; I did not understand it. I had no real answer, then, to the question of how Jesus’ whole life, not just his death on the cross in isolation, was somehow ‘gospel.’
“In Revelation the eternal messianic Kingdom is placed on a renovated earth so that Christ comes to his people on earth rather than gathering them to a heavenly abode” (Word Bible Comm. Rev. 17-22, David Aune, p. 1069).
In popular theology, aided by post-biblical creeds, Jesus has been turned into the Creator of Heavens and Earth. This displaces the Father from that unrivaled position. The Father of Jesus is the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. The Father is the ONLY ONE WHO IS TRUE GOD (Jn. 17:3). It is category mistake to turn the human Messiah, supernaturally brought into existence in Mary (Lk 1:35) into a second GOD, a rival to the ONLY ONE WHO IS GOD, that is, the Creator of the world and of Jesus.
In a curious way, people abandon the meaning of easy words, when struggling to understand Scripture. It ought not to be difficult to understand the easy word "beget." It means "to cause to come into existence." It tells of the beginning of existence of a person or thing. According to Matt. and Luke the Son of God began to exist, came into existence in the womb of Mary.
We are to believe this! Not argue with it. Zechariah was struck dumb for failing to believe the words of the angel. Lk 1:35!
God surely knows who HE is and how many He is! "God said, I am the God worshiped by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" (Mark 12:26). Is that the Triune God of Christianity? Everyone should know that the God of Abraham was not a Trinitarian God! Jesus guranteed the continuity between the theology of the Jews and the Hebrew Bible and his own theology and thus of NT Christianity. Jesus was a unitarian. The Trinity represents a strange innovation and alteration of the God defined by Jesus in Mark 12:29.
A reality check is much needed in Church. As Christians we claim to be following Jesus. But are we doing this at the most fundamental level? Are we listening carefully to Jesus' definition of who GOD IS? Jesus affirmed tne UNITARY monotheistic creed of Israel in Mk 12:28ff. The only true God is the Father (Jn. 17:3). Jesus is the MAN MESSIAH (Lk. 2:11; I Tm. 2:5). The church dogmatically enforced a different creed declaring God to be THREE persons. But how can discarding Jesus be a wise move?
Jesus could not possibly BE God! He is the begotten SON of God (Lk. 1:35 is the key). Jesus said that he worshiped God (Jn. 4:22). It was the worship of the Father (Jn. 4:23), who, Jesus said, is "the only one who is true God" (Jn. 17:3). The Father is looking for people to worship in spirit and truth (Jn. 4:24). The Trinitarian, Triune God was unknown to Jesus. He would not be able to sign a Trinitarian faith statement. He would be unwelcome in our churches today. The true creed is Mk.12:29.
A conspiracy of silence has overtaken the Church in the matter of defining which GOD we are to worship. Jesus has a right to be heard, but his voice has not been allowed to determine who GOD is. Jesus said that "salvation of from the Jews" (Jn. 4:22).. Jesus taught and recited the creed of Israel (Mk. 12:29). Paul said that the God of the Jews is the God of all believers, Jews and Gentiles alike (Rom. 3:29). The Church has overruled Jesus and replaced his GOD with a strange TRIUNE God.
An annual conference is held in Atlanta (the 21st, will be May 3-6, 2012). You are invited to attend and fellowship with others dedicated to the original Christian monotheism taught by Jesus (Mk 12:29). For details please go to Restoratioin Fellowship. org. Among speakers will be professor of philosophy and logic, Dr. Dale Tuggy. Interaction with speakers is encouraged and attendees may, if they wish, share their personal stories of faith. Do please consider attending and meeting others.
Is anyone listening to German author and systematic theologian, Ohlig? "It is hardly ever asked how it came about that the inherited Jewish monotheism, which Jesus of Nazareth doubtless shared, was changed in Christianity into a Trinitarian conception and why, and with what right Christianity has departed from the understanding of God of Jesus and the 12 Apostles. Some do not contest the dogma, as if God were unitarily One, but most [Christians] are probably closet TRITHEISTS" (Ohlig, p 19).
Christians need to make up their minds about following Jesus! This might seem obvous, but are you following Jesus if your concept of God is not the one taught by Jesus? Jesus taught that the Father is GOD, and no one else is. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. He never claimed to be God, which would make two Gods. Jesus recited the creed of Israel in Mk. 12:29 and was thus committed to a God who is not a Triune God. Can we afford to be dismissing Jesus while claiming to follow him?
"God is the God of the Jews and also of the Gentiles" (Rom. 3:29) This is the same one God. But that one God of the Jews is certainly not the Triune God of Christianity! Paul did not know any such Triune God. Nor would it be right at all for Christians NOT to follow the creed of Jesus, which was the creed of the Jews (Mk 12:28ff.). Since the God of Jesus was the ONE GOD of the Jews, then we too must worship that same God of the Jews. Indeed as Jesus said "Salvation is from the Jews."
'GOD IS THE GOD OF THE JEWS," so Paul said in Rom. 3:29. But if you are a Christian you are worshipping a Triune God, who is not the God of the Jews. Why this discrepancy? It was in post-biblical times that the unitary monotheism of Jesus (Mk. 12:29) was replaced by a strange God in Three Persons. Jesus did not know of this God. Jesus also said that salvation is from the Jews (Jn. 4:22), and Paul defined God (above) as the "God of the Jews" (Rom. 3:29). Churchgoers need a reality check.
Is it unreasonable that as Christians we should insist on the creed of Jesus declared in Mark 12:28ff.? Is this the creed of the Churches? It is not. Jesus affirmed complete agreement with a Jewish scribe about how many God is. He said that the Lord GOD is one Lord. This is not a Trinitarian creed. So the critical question is this: Could Jesus on this evidence sign a Trinitarian statement of faith? Are you sure that he approves of your church's creed? Was not Jesus obviously a untarian? Are you?
If you say that you believe that "Jesus is God," and you know also of course that "the Father is GOD" (ie God the Father, a NT title), you are confessing rather obviously faith in two Gods.
Jesus is God and the Father is God makes two Gods, according to the uniform rules of language we all agree on! You learned long ago that "I", "Me," He" mean a single person. God is defined as one single Divine Self. Tthousands of singular personal pronouns tell us this.
Read carefully the words of Jesus in conversation with a fellow Jew in Mark 12:28ff. Jesus taught us there that the most important commandment of all is recognizing that God is ONE Person. Paul believed also that "there is ONE GOD, the Father" (I Cr. 8:4-6). There was never any doubt about the identity of God in the NT. However, a later change of creed abandoned Jesus at a fundamental level. Today a TRIUNE God, unknown to Jesus, presides over Church, and no one seems in any way upset!. Why?
Mk. 12:28ff. remains a huge embarrassment to traditional Church, which gathers in the name of a Triune God. Jesus did not believe in a Triune God. He stated the creed of Israel, which defines God as a single Person, YHVH. Paul repeated the Shema in I Co. 8:4-6. Just as Jesus in Jn 17:3 does not include himself in the Shema, neither did Paul! Jesus is the Messiah, not God (making two GODS!). Jesus is the "my lord" of Ps. 110:1, a controlling text.
ADONI never means God. Always a non Deity figure.
Paul followed Jesus exactly when he asserted the central creed of biblical faith; the Shema, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord" (Mk 12:28ff.). In I Cr. 8:4-6 Paul repeated that there is "no God except the One God, the Father." He then associated Jesus with that one God, defining Jesus NOT as a second GOD, but as the one "LORD MESSIAH." There are two Lords, one is God the Father. The other is the human Messiah Jesus. This is based on Ps.110:1 where the second lord is ADONI, a man.
The biblical creed, its central non-negotiable heart and foundation, is echoed and confirmed by Jesus in Mark 12:28ff.. But do churchgoers care that the creed of their church has departed from the uncomplicated creed of Jesus? Do Christians worry about the fact that traditional Christianity has abandoned the creed of its own founder? Ought this not to be a cause for alarm, since we are to be judged by our adherence to the words of Jesus (Jn. 12:47ff).
The Gospel is not just about Jesus dying and rising again. Those facts are certainly central, but they are not the whole Gospel. The Gospel was first preached by Jesus (Heb. 2:3), though it was known in advance to Abraham (Gl. 3:8). The spirit is received when the Gospel of the coming Kingdom is received (Gl 3:1-3; Acts 8:12).The word of the Gospel is the immortality program of God Himself, using his uniquely begotten Son Jesus as his final Agent. In Church the KIngdom Gospel is absent...
A leading Lutheran scholar: "The hope of the early church centered on the resurrection of the last day. It is this which first calls the dead into eternal life. This resurrection happens to the man and not only to the body. Paul speaks of the resurrection not 'of the body,' but 'of the dead'..Thus the original Biblical concepts have been replaced by ideas from Hellenistic, Gnostic dualism... the difference between this and the HOPE of the New Testament is very great" (Theology of Luther, 413).
The traditional doctrine of GOD in mainstream churches has turned GOD into an incomprehehsible, mathematical mystification. Three will never be equal to ONE! The word "GOD" in the Bible never designates a Triune GOD. God is the Father of Jesus. God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, and the GOD of Jesus. All this is quite simply stated by Jesus in Mark 12:28ff. and by Paul in I Cor.. 8:4-6. Jesus is the "Lord Messiah," Lk. 2:11, certainly not the LORD GOD, who is ONE Person, the Father
The WHOLE point of God's revelation in Christian Scripture is lost if Jesus is said to BE GOD!
The WHOLE point of the Bible is how GOD is able to show that a Man can overcome the Devil, and thus reverse the tragedy which happened when man first listened to the lies of the Devil instead of obeying the CREATOR God. Jesus is the head of a new human race. By his example to the point of obedience in death, he showed that with God's help man can overcome the Devil. Man was created for this pupose.
The proposition "Jesus IS GOD" does not reflect the Bible. It interferes with the central principle confirmed by Jesus (Mk 12:29) that God is strictly one Person. Jesus knew nothing of the later Church Councils which revised and altered the creed of Jesus and enforced belief, to this day, in a GOD who is THREE-in-ONE. This fatal loss of the foundation of faith has had serious repurcussions, antagonizing Jews and Moslems. Revival will heppen when we return to the One God, the Father and to Jesus.
A large denomination announced in an important article that the "Keystone of Its Theology" is that ONE PLUS ONE PLUS ONE = ONE. This must be a confession based on evident falsehood, and one would expect it to produce an uproar of protest. But the status quo seems undisturbed. The key to success in church is a return to Jesus' definition of GOD as encapsulated in the famous SHEMA which Jesus affirmed as the most important command of all. A Jewish scribe was in full agreement, defining God as He.
In the Bible,"GOD" never means a Trinitarian God. Not once. The Bible calls the Father of Jesus GOD 1300 times in the NT. It states that "there is ONE GOD, the Father," in opposition to polytheism (I Cor. 8:4-6).
Jesus is exalted to the right hand of God. In that position Jesus is ADONI (my lord) in Ps. 110:1, which is key to all understanding of who Jesus is-- the Man-lord, not a second GOD-LORD, which leads to polytheism, more than one God.
In I John 5:1 and 18 John very preciesely tells us that the SON of GOD is not GOD! God, in I John 5:1 is the BEGETTER, the Father, and in v. 18 Jesus is the BEGOTTEN one. This is the essential difference between all fathers and sons. God is the Father, the begetter, the one who causes to come into existence, and Jesus is the Son. The Son was caused to come into existence. Therefore he is not God but the SON of God. God is not begotten. He has no beginning, But the Son was BEGOTTEN, fathered,
The greatest and most fundamental of all commands from Jesus: the formal statement of faith from his lips is missing in Christian churches! The Lord our God, Jesus said, is ONE LORD, He knew nothing of a TRIUNE God. Jesus was in perfect agreement with a Jewish scribe. Mk. 12:29. The true GOD is one Person, not three. Jesus could not BE GOD. He was BEGOTTEN, ie procreated, brought into existence. Read this in Ps. 2:7, II Sam. 7:14, Isa. 9:6,. 7:14, Lk. 1:35, Mt. 1:18, 20, Heb. 1:5, I Jn. 5:18.
The challenge facing churchgoers and lovers of the Bible is to be convinced that they are really following Jesus and not tradition. Might not Jesus complain, as he once did, that worship is traditional and not Bible-based? Take Mk. 12:28. Are you persuaded that Jesus was a believer in a Trinitarian God? Does the creed of Jesus matter supremely to you? Are not his words our judge? Did not Jesus believe, in agreement with the scribe, that God was the Father, and no one else but HE? A simple creed.
The creed of Jesus is unfortunately not the creed of churches claiming his name! This is a public scandal needing attention from all who claim allegiance to Jesus. In Mk. 12:28ff Jesus agreed with a Jewish scribe that God is a single Person, not a Triune God. The Jewish scribe agreed that "HE ie ONE and there is no other but HE." This cannot possibly be a Triune Substance. God is a single HE, a single WHO, not a "What" as claimed by Trinitarians. Ponder this amazing discrepancy. Hear Jesus!
The Son of God was miraculously brought into existence. He was not "eternally begotten," except in the mind and plan of God from the beginning. To think of Jesus as literally beginning in eternity is to make nonsense of God's promise to express HIMSELF uniquely in a human Son, a member of the royal family of Israel.The Son was brought into existence in time (Lk. 1:35). There is no GOD the SON who assumed flesh. The Son was begotten in Mary (Mt. 1:20). Jesus is the Man Messiah, not the One God
If you shift the beginning of the Son of God back into eternity, you add a second God, which disturbs monotheism as Jesus declared it (Mk. 12:29). You also make the Son come THROUGH the womb of Mary, instead of his being begotten, ie brought into existence, IN Mary, as Matt. 1:20 teaches. The WHOLE point of the Messiah is lost if his origin in the human biologiical chain is lost. It is the spirit of antichrist to call in question the human Messiah (I Jn 4:1-2).
JESUS DEFINED THE ONE TRUE GOD. He stated that this One God was the Father. Churches changed the creed of Jesus and declared that God is Three Persons, the Trinity. The Trinity concept contradicts what Jesus taught over and over again, that God is the Father alone. Jn 17:3 makes this proposition, and it is easy: "You, Father, are the only one who is TRUE GOD." Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and the Son of God is defined by Lk. 1:35. He is the miraculously procreated promised human Messiah.
The word beget = bring into existence, cause to exist, father, engender, is the storm-center of a centuries-old dispute about who the real Jesus is. From the second century, leadership in he Church fell into Gentile hands. These non-Jews lost track of the very Jewish creed of Jesus (Mk. 12:29). They lost track of the biblical origin of he Son of God, which according to Matt and Luke was in the womb of Mary, by miracle. A non-human, "preexisting" SON was substituted for the historical Jesus.
Once you accept the meaning of the word "beget" as describing the origin, beginning of existence of the Son of God, the Trinity becomes an impossible doctrine. The Trinity says that the Son of God had no beginning in time. The Bible says the opposite. It says that the Son will be begotten, brought into existence (Isa. 9:6). Ps. 2:7 says the same and so exactly do Luke 1:35; Matt. 1:18, 20 and I John 5:18-- "The Son was begotten from God." A timeless beginning is a nonsense idea.
The issue of the Trinity revolves around whether one is willing to accept the meaning of the word "beget," or whether one chooses to assign it a mystical, non-meaning! To beget means to bring into existence, to procreate, to give existence to, to father. It is the word used of the origin of the Son of God. The promised Son was to be "begotten" (Isa. 9:6). I Jn 5:18 tells us that the Son was "begotten from God." Matthew and Luke say the same thing (1:18, 20; Lk 1:35). Ps. 2:7, is the basis.
The great key to identifying Jesus as the Son of God lies in his origin, his beginning, his coming into existence.The word "beget" is the solution to all difficulties. Isa. 9:6 promises that a SON will be BEGOTTEN and given to Israel as Messiah. Lk.1:35 informs Mary that the child BEGOTTEN is that promised SON. Mt. 1:18, 20 records the GENESIS of that Son and describes him as BEGOTTEN in her. I Jn 5:18 describes Jesus as the one BEGOTTEN by GOD. Thus Ps. 2:7 was fulfilled and God BEGAT a SON.
The whole biblical point about the Messiah, the Son of God, is that he was brought into existence, by miracle. God was to be his Father. In Isa 9:6 the prophet announced that "a son will be begotten for us." To beget means in English, Greek and Hebrew "to cause to come into existence." In traditional theology this simple truth was buried under the nonsense idea that the Son had a "beginningless beginning," that he was "eternally begotten." The Son of God is not eternal. He was begotten in time.
The Bible says: "There is one God, the Father," It says this in these very words in I Cor. 8:4-6. In addition it says the same thing over 1300 times: "There is one God, the Father," "There is one God, the Father." "There is one God the Father." :"There is one God, that Father." Now repeat this over 1300 times and you will learn who God is. He is ONE YHVH, one God and Father or Jesus. The word GOD means the Father over 1300 times. This ought to convince the open-minder seeker that God is ONE.
Paul and Jesus were not Trinitarians. Paul said, "There is one God, the Father" (I Cor. 8:4-6). Jesus said, "You, Father, are the only one who is true God" (Jn. 17:3).
The word GOD means the Father 1300 times in the Greek NT. This evidence should convince you. No Bible verse with "GOD" means the Triune God.
"President Obama is the only one who is President of the USA now." That is clear. "The Father is the ONLY ONE WHO IS TRUE GOD" (John 17:3). Is this hard to understand? Jesus is the Messiah.
What if Jesus is what wisdom/word became? Jesus is not then GOD THE SON, making two Gods but the expression of God. He is what wisdom became, the incarnation of wisdom/word, not the incarnation of a SON who did not exist until Lk 1:35. It does not say “in the beginning was the SON” and as Dr. Brown, systematician, at Fuller says “It is patently wrong to make it say ‘In the begnning was the SON.' The Son was begotten and Mt. 1:20 and Lk 1:35 say when this happened.So does I Jn 5:18, an aorist.
It is a matter of alarm, one would think, that the creed of Jesus, defining God, the God whom we are to love and serve, has been replaced in churches by an alien concept of God-- a TRIUNE GOD. There is no Bible verse, out of 31.000, where it can be shown that "GOD" means a Triune God! This is astonishing, because it means that Jesus has been disregarded at the most fundamental level. Why should not Mark 12:29ff. be the stimulus for a new Reformation? Jesus is the Lord Messian, not GOD!
The importance of obedience to Jesus cannot be overemphasized. Jesus said, "He who hears my teachings and obeys them will be like a house founded on a rock." Obedience is everything. So then, are we hearing and obeying what Jesus called the most important command of all (Mk. 12:29)? "Listen Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." This is a unitarian monotheistic command. It is THAT God we are to love. No reference to a Triune God. THEOS means the Father 1300 times in the NT never a Triune God.
Here is the first and fundamental point about Christian faith: "Salvation is given to those who obey Jesus" (Heb. 5:9). Obedience to Jesus means listening to his words, believing them and doing them. His most important word was (Mk. 12:29ff.) "Listen Israel, the LORD our GOD is ONE LORD." This is the unitary monotheistic, non-Trinitarian creed of Jesus. It has been replaced by another, Trinitarian creed in churches. We ought to be concerned! How can one accept Jesus and disregard his words?
Christianity is based, or should be, on the words of Jesus. Jesus stated that the most important command of all is "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE LORD,"
This is non-Trinitarian, unitary monotheism. Jesus believed in the One God of his heritage, who is the Father. This is elementary and simple, but the words of Jesus defining God have been replaced in Church by an alien TRIUNE God, not mentioned or sanctioned by Jesus. We are to be judged by our adherence to Jesus' words. Jn. 12:44-48.
If you have arrived at this site, please examine the second lord of Ps. 110:1. Everyone knows that this verse is quoted massively in the NT. It is the key to who GOD and Jesus are in relation to each other. YHVH is the one Person GOD of ISRAEL and He addresses in a prophetic oracle "my lord." This title ADONI, my lord, is in its 195 occurrences the NON-Deity title for a human superior. This is scholarship's best kept secret! The second lord of Ps. 110:1 is not DEITY but the human Messiah.
There are 14 forms of the singular personal pronoun in language, including the Bible languages. Thousands of times these singular personal pronouns designate the ONE GOD of Israel. He is one Person, not three! He, I, Me, Himself, Myself, Thou,.etc warn us on every page of Scripture NEVER to depart from the GOD who is a single Person, described by a singular Personal Prounoun. Yet the Church from the second century mananaged to embrace a crypto-polytheism, changing the One God into Three.
C.S. Lewis made a fundamental theological gaff when he declared that "the Gospel is not in the gospels." That is precisely wrong. Jesus' whole appeal to us is that we build our faith on his own preaching of the Gospel about the coming Kingdom. This is the heart of God's unfolding immortality program. God is inviting you and me now to prepare to inherit the Kingdom of God and fix the world on a grand scale when Jesus comes back to the earth. I Cor. 6:2: "The saints will manage the world."
Churchgoers will usually cite the golden rule or the command to love one's neighbor as the essential core and foundation of faith. But why do they overlook entirely the most important commandment of all, according to Jesus? Jesus affirmed the primary command of God: "Hear, Israel, the Lord OUR GOD IS ONE LORD" (Mk. 12:28ff.). Jesus was not a Trinitarian. He makes belief in the ONE LORD GOD, ie the Father as the only true God (Jn. 17:3) the essential foundation of faith. He knew of no Triune God.
Jesus was a unitarian! Not a Trinitarian. Jesus would not be welcome in "orthodox" churches today. How can we demonstrate this: Simply consult Mark 12:28ff. where Jesus affirmed the unitarian creed of his Jewish heritage. Jn. 17:3 similarly reports Jesus as affirming that the Father "is the only one who is true God." This is utterly clear, and supported by 1300 refs. to GOD as the Father, in the NT. The issue is whether Christians will pay close attention to Jesus or not? Tradition or truth?
When authors write books to support the Trinity, they leave out of sight the evidence which would undermine their view. Thus Lk 1:35 denies an eternal begetting of the Son and Mt. 1:18, 20 tell us about the origin in time of the Son of God. Trinitarians forget to tell you that 11,000 occs. of the words for God in the Bible never describe a Triune God! "God" in the NT means the Father of Jesus 1300 times. Jesus is referred to as "God" in a secondary sense in Heb. 1:8. The Father alone is God.
The whole point of NT Christianity is lost if Jesus "is GOD." The entire point of the work of Jesus is that he is the "MAN mediator between God and man" (I Tim. 2:5). If Jesus is God he cannot be the Mediator between God and man. God does not need a Mediator who is Himself God! Jesus showed the right way to believe and live, as model for us humans. This is impossible if he is himself God. Jesus is the suffering Messiah, descendant of David and supernaturally brought into existence in Mary.
It is a remarkable fact that according to the standard lexicons of NT Greek, the word "GOD" never means a Triune God, ie God in three Persons. But churches claim allegiance to a Triune God. Yet He is not mentioned once as such in the BIble, which is claimed as authority for Christian faith. The word GOD in Scripture is one Person and designates the Father of Jesus about 1300 times in the NT. Try rereading the book of Acts and see that it is all about GOD (the Father) and the man Messiah Jesus.
To discover the meaning of BIble words we should use the standard Greek Lexicons of NT Greek. Amazingly (have you thought about this?), if you look up the word GOD (o theos) you will not find any indication that it means a TRIUNE GOD, in the Bible! So when the Bible says "God," it never references the God which Christianity claims as the true God! Instead you will find that GOD regularly means the Father of Jesus, the God and Father of Jesus, the God of Israel, who is the true and only God.
Have you ever thought about following the creed of Jesus? Your church displays a creed which dates from centuries after the time of Jesus. But if the words of Jesus and obedience to him mean everything to you, then why not follow Jesus in the command which he declared to be the most important issue of all: "Listen, Israel, the Lord our GOD Is one LORD," not two or three persons who are all LORD!
Would Jesus as a Jewish unitary monotheist be accepted in our churches which are Trinitarian?
Why all the frenzied and complex argument about who the God of the Bible is?
Is it really that complicated? Jesus uttered the creed which he called the most important command of all. He said to a fellow Jew (Mk 12:28ff.) "The LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD." Is that hard? No. The true GOD is a single divine Person, the Father. The word "three" is never connected with the One God. The Father is God some 1300 times in the NT. There is only ONE GOD, never "three in one." Revival requires a creed.
It is surprising that church members seem content not to analyze the often-repeated cliam that Christians all believe that "there is one GOD." Certainly the BIble insists on belief in ONE GOD. What you are not told is that Paul wrote:
"There is one God, the Father." No Bible verse reads: "one God, the Father, Son & Holy Spirit." In additioin the word GOD in the NT obviously refers to the Father, about 1300 times. 11,000 occurrences of the words for GOD provide not one meaning A TRIUNE GOD.
Jesus is the Son of God, because God was his Father by divine, creative miracle in Mary. This miracle brought the Son of God into existence--Luke 1:35, Matt. 1:18 (genesis) and v. 20 "what is begotten, brought into existence, in her." The later doctrine of the Trinity altered these easy facts. The Son was pushed back into eternity and he had what one "church father" called a "beginningless beginning." The biblical Jesus, Son of God, Christ, was lost in the fog of gnostic, pagan philosophy.
The Son of God is given a precise definition in the BIble. The Son has an origin in time. Matthew uses the word GENESIS for the Son, his origin. He then describes the one "brought into existence in Mary" (1:20). The word used is GENNAO and it means to "cause to come into existence." It is thus a flat contradiction of Scripture to say that the SON has no beginning! I Jn. 5:18 confirms the beginning and point of origin of the SON. The Son was "caused to come into existence" (GENNAO). Cp. Ps. 2:7.
The argument for belief in a TRIUNE GOD comes mostly from the Gospel of John.
This means that the evidence of the rest of Scripture is kept out of sight. There are about 11,000 occs of the various words for GOD in the Bible. Not one of them can be shown to mean a Triune God. So when the Bible says God, Yahweh, Lord God, where does it ever mean a Triune God? Can you quote a single verse?
What lexicon defines "the God" in Greek "o theos," to mean a God in three Persons?
The constant appeal of Jesus was and is that we listen to him! It is perilous not to since he said that we are going to be judged by his words. How well will churches do when that judgement comes? Jesus inisisted on belief in the ONE GOD of Israel. Jesus confirmed this definitioin of God in conversation with another Jew. Mark 12:28ff. gives us this information. In church however this creed is bypassed and rejected in favor of an inexplicable Three in One God! Meditate on the words of Jesus.
The most alarming feature of contemporary Church is that it blithely dismisses or overlooks what Jesus called the Most Important Command of all! It is "Listen Israel, the Lord our God is ONE LORD" (Mk 12:29, the NT and LXX). The Church has replaced this foundational saying of Jesus with a creed alien to his thinking.
The Church declares belief in a Triune God, unknown to Jesus. Why this amazing confidence in dispensing with the Christian founder's own creed?
It is amazing that exponents of the Trinity propose to us that GOD is "one WHAT"!
Surely any child opening a Bible will see immediately that God is one "HE." God is a single divine Self, not a mysterious Triune WHAT! The public has been scammed on a grand scale, and should speak up in protest! The creed of Jesus is all important as the basis for a sound relationship with GOD. That creed was agreed between a Jewish scribe and Jesus and is found in Mark 12:28ff. God is ONE single LORD.
The creed of Jesus is spelled out with complete precision in Mark 12:28ff.. But churches show their disdain for Jesus by bypassing what Jesus called the greatest of all the commandments. Churches have rejeted the unitary monotheistic creed of Jesus! But God said "listen to my SON." Jesus defined the True God as a single Lord, ie one Person, not THREE, not a TRIUNE God which is an import from paganism. Revival will happen when the words of Jesus are taken seriously and not the later tradition.
"His plurality is as real as His unity; yet He has no plurality, because of His perfect unity. Here is the mystery. Reason, cease thy clamours. I seek not a 'consistent' creed. The mystery is attained. I would be a Tritheist, if I were not a Sabellian. I would be a Sabellian, if I were not Tritheist. I am neither: I am both. With me, as with St. Paul, there is but one God, the Father. And with me there is another God, the Son; who yet is not another. 1 and 1 do not make 2 in God's nature." !!!!
Jesus was certainly never an angel and definitely not the Angel of the Lord of the OT. Heb. 1:2 says that God did NOT speak in a SON in OT times. God brought His Son into existence, begat him, by miracle in Mary, and Lk 1:35 explains this very simply. Lk 1:35 is refreshingly uncomplicated, compared to the appalling disputes and arguments which are typical of post-biblical times. Jesus denied that he WAS God. The "Deity of Jesus" is impossible because there cannot be two who are GOD. Mk. 12:29.
A very simple and logical step for would-be followers of Jesus is to adopt with complete conviction Jesus' own creed. This is found in Mark 12:29 where Jesus agreed with a Jew about how to define the only true God. He is ONE LORD, not two or three. Jesus called on God as "my God" and that shows that Jesus cannot also BE God! There cannot be two equal Gods: that is polytheism. But churches hide under a curious notion that God is one TRIUNE Essence. But the God of the BIble is one Person.
The great central and only creed of Jews is and was the belief that God is a single Person,
That one God of Israel revealed Himself as a Personal Father, certainly not as an Essence or a "WHAT,'' as is claimed by leading Trinitarian exponents. You will search long and hard in the Bible and never find a God who is a tripersonal ESSENCE. Jesus is the unique Son of God, He had no human father. God brought him into existence (=begat him) in the womb of Mary. Luke 1:35 is the definitive statement.
II Corinthians 11:31 demonstrates that Jesus cannot BE GOD. The Father is God in this verse as in 1300 hundred verses in the NT. Not only is the Father GOD, HE is also "the GOD and FATHER of the Lord Jesus." God is not the God of GOD!
Think about this, and receive a moment of illumination, that the GOD of the Bible is the one and only personal God of Israel and of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the GOD of the Lord Jesus the Messiah. The MESSIAH LORD was born (Lk. 2:11) and he died.
With perfect precision Paul distinguishes between God, who is the Father, and Jesus who is the Messiah (Christ), Thus he habitually writes "GOD, the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ." God-FATHER" is precisely distinguished as the ONE GOD from "our Lord Messiah Jesus." Jesus is the "my lord" and thus "our lord" of Ps. 110:1, where the ONE GOD, Yahweh, addresses in a prophecy, one who is NOT GOD but 'my lord' (ADONI). Adoni, my lord, is never a title of DEITY. There is only ONE LORD GOD, not two!
Think about this: If Jesus HAS a GOD, Jesus cannot BE GOD!. Both while he was with us and even now when Jesus is exalted at the right hand of the Father, Jesus still HAS A GOD! Therefore he cannot BE GOD! Jesus addressed the Father as "MY GOD." He speaks of "MY GOD" even now. Thus it is impossible that Jesus is himself GOD. He is the unique Son of God as defined with simplicity in Luke 1:35. Rev. 3:2 and 12:4 prove that Jesus still HAS A GOD. This will make you rethink your view of GOD.
The Bible provides us with a very easy definition of the who Jesus is as the Son of God: "The Son of God came into existence as a lineal descendant of David."
This is the information given by Paul in Rom. 1:2. This is exactly in harmony with the words of Gabriel to Mary in Luke 1:35. The Son of God is caused to come into existence (= begotten) by a miracle performed in Mary. There is no such person in the Bible as GOD, the Son! Jesus is the unique Son of God on the basis of these passages.
"I am the Lord God" ought to tell us that God is one Person. HE, not they, is a single Person. We have all surely learned to recognize a single Person by singular personal pronouns! Why is this difficult? The crippling power of tradition has deafened us to the simplest of truths. "The LORD our GOD is ONE LORD." If you want the healthgiving mind of Jesus, those are his lucidly simple words. The Son of God cannot BE GOD! God cannot be born and cannot die.
Jesus' first command to us all was and still is "Change your mind and believe the Gospel of the Kingdom of God" (Mk. 1:14, 15). Faith begins there. For Kingdom of God consult Dan 7:14, 18, 22, 27, then Lk 21:31, Isa. 2.
The Christian creed ie the central belief in God, defined by Jesus in Mk. 12:29.
Jesus was not a Trinitarian. He inisisted that only his Father is true God (Jn. 17:3).
Jesus still has a God. He referred to Him as "my God." Therefore Jesus cannot be God. God has no God!
If Jesus IS God, then he is immortal, and that means he cannot die! But Paul said that "the Son of God died." Again, an immortal GOD-Jesus cannot die. The doctrine of the immortal soul is Platonic and pagan. It has infected popular Christianity with disastrous effects. When we die, we are dead, not alive! The only way out of death, in the Bible, is via the future resurrection. This will happen when Jesus comes back and that is AFTER the Great Tribulation, not before. "Pretribism" is wrong.
An amazing paradox confronts the honest seeker for truth: that the Church which loudly claims his name and authority has deliberately chosen NOT to accept and believe his creed! Jesus did not believe in the Trinity (see my book: Jesus was not a Trinitarian). His creed was Jewish and unitarian. He claimed to be the unique SON of God, certainly not God. Jesus said that believing his creed was the most important consideration in true faith (see Mk. 12:29). Revival means a return to Jesus' GOD.
A singular personal pronoun in Hebrew, Greek and English designates a single person. Thousands of these singular personal pronouns define God as a Single Person, in the Bible. Jesus echoed this easy truth by affirming "The LORD our GOD is ONE LORD." The scribe agreed by saying that LORD is HE! This is One Person, not three! It would be wise for us all to heed the words of the Son of God who declared that God is a single Person, one LORD and one FATHER.
If you say "Jesus is GOD," and you certainly believe that the Father is GOD, you commit yourself to belief in TWO who are GOD and thus in two GODS. This is not the creed of the BIble, not the creed of Jesus given in Mk. 12:29. GOD is ONE LORD. (Certainly not one ESSENCE!). It is a form of intellectual suicide to say "this Person is God and that Person is also God, and that makes ONE GOD!" That belief will not work and should be abandoned in favor of the creed of Jesus, whom you say you accept!
Anyone who speaks of the DEITY OF JESUS commits himself to belief in TWO who are GOD! This is not the monotheism of Jesus who said, "the LORD our GOD is ONE LORD" (Mark 12:29). One Lord is not two Lords! There can only be one YHVH, ie ONE GOD and since the Father is the one GOD thousands of times in the Bible, Jesus cannot also be the One God. Jesus is the SON of God and the explicit basis for him being SON is given us in Luke 1:35. He is Son because GOD became his Father by miracle in Mary.
If you claim to believe that "Jesus is God" you are caught in an unfortuntate failure to be a true monotheist. I Jn. 5:21 warns against false concepts of God. It is risky to say "the Father is God and Jesus is also God," and that makes ONE GOD!. Tell that to the judge and see what He might say! Jesus insisted on the unitary monotheism of his heritage: "The Lord our God is one Lord." (Mk 12:29) :"Do we not all have one Father, has not one God created us?" (Malachi 2:10. The Father alone is GOD.
Verses which speak of the Father, Son and holy spirit, in the NT say nothing at all about these three making up one GOD!. Paul spoke of the "the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the holy spirit." But only one of these is GOD. 1300 times the word GOD in the NT means the Father. Paul defined the word GOD when he said "There is one GOD, the Father." This creed is also the creed of Jesus in Mk 12:29. God is never called an ESSENCE in the Bible, always a Person.
"Those who have studied the Hebrew Bible know that symbols, metaphors and
images are the dialect of the historians, poets, and theologians of ancient Israel. God is described in terms of everyday creation reality, not in philosophical abstractions." (Paul Sumner). This is precisely right, and that is why it mistaken to try to explain God as one BEING, Essence, in three Persons.
That is the abstract language of philosophy.The God of the Bible is ONE PERSON, the Father of Jesus (Lk 1:35).
Christianity went off track from the second century. Greek philosophical speculation eventually turned the Son of God into a non-human Person who preexisted (how do you preexist yourself?!). That new, invented Son was thus older than his mother, older than David and as old as GOD himself! If this model of Jesus shocks you, try something easy. Luke 1:35 defines the Son of God as a real human being, beginning to exist in his mother's womb. This explains how, when and why Jesus was the Son of God.
"The apostolic writers do not speak of the One God as self-differentiated into three, nor do they appeal to the various passages from the OT to which recourse would be had later, once the doctrine of the Trinity begins to be established, ie Gen. 1:26."
(Nicene Faith, John Behr, p. 5). Indeed the Apostles knew nothing of a Triune God. They agreed with Jesus that the Father is the "only one who is true God (Jn. 17:3). In John 17:5 Jesus asked to receive the glory promised to him by the Father.
"Some people say that God's a WHAT. But that's exactly what HE's NOT! The Bible calls our God a HE, an I, or THEE, or ME, you see"! The fearful complexities of a "ONE in THREE" God need to be replaced by the much easier words of Malachi 2:10, "We all have one Father? ONE GOD has created us?"
The word GOD refers in the NT 1300 times to the Father of Jesus. Jesus is the unique SON of GOD as easily explained by Luke 1:35. Try I Tim 2:5, "There is one God and one mediator...the MAN Messiah Jesus."
An amazing misunderstanding occurs when some read the Bible. They hear over and over and over that God is "I" "Me "Thou "He". Under every other circumstance they have no difficulty with this. But when it comes to God, they seem fixated on the idea that "I" means "We" (Three). The God of the Bible and of Jesus is one Person, never Three. The Triune God arose from pagan influence in post-bilblical times. God for Jesus is "one Lord." See Jesus' creed in Mk. 12:29. For "Son of God," Lk 1:35.
"Who can forgive sins? Only one PERSON, God." (Mark 2:7, Wuest trans. of NT). God is described as one Person thousands and thousands of times in the Bible. Malachi 2:10 is typical:
"Do we not all have ONE FATHER, has one ONE GOD created us?" Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and he is SON because of the miracle in Mary (Luke 1:35).
Jesus is what God's word, wisdom became (John 1:14). There is no "GOD the Son" in Scripture. "The Lord our God is one Lord," Jesus said, not two or three Lords!
Salvation means gaining immortality and reigning with Jesus in the future Kingdom of God on earth (Rv. 5:10; 3:21; 2:26; I Cr. 6:2; Mt. 5:5). The Bible says nothing about "going to heaven" when you die. It promises inheritance of the land/earth when Jesus returns to inauguarate his Kingdom on earth with headquarters in Jerusalem (Jer. 3:15-18: 23:5,6). When Jesus comes he will resurrect the faithful dead of all the ages. WIth the living saints they will meet Jesus and accompany him to the earth.
Getting saved is achieved by obeying Jesus (see Heb. 5:9). Start by obeying Jesus' first command given in Mark 1:14, 15. We are commanded to "repent and believe the Gospel about the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom is firstly the Kingdom of God which will come when Jesus comes back. It will the Messianic reign and rule of Jesus on a renewed earth. Believe also that Jesus died and rose. Believe first in the Kingdom as Jesus commands in Mark 1:14, 15. Most churches do not tell you about the Kingdom!
To understand John 1, turn first to I JOHN 1. That is John's own commentary on John 1:1-3. It was "the WORD of eternal life WHICH was WITH the Father." It was not "the SON of God WHO," but "the Word of lfe WHICH..." The word was IT, not HIM. The word was the PROMISE of eternal life (2:25). It was later manifested when the Messiah Jesus the Son was brought into existence, born (Jn. 1:14). Many read John 1:1 as the SON, but there was no SON until v.14. Jesus is not a second GOD with the Father!
The Bible says that God is ONE, but never mentions "GOD the SON."
It often calls the Father GOD, but "GOD the SON"-- not once-- that's odd!
Think about it, and obey the creed of the Son, Jesus: "The Lord our GOD is one Lord" (not two or three Lords) (Mark 12:29). "There is ONE GOD, the Father" (I Cor. 8:4-6. There is one God and one Mediator between God and man, the MAN Messiah Jesus (I Tim. 2:5). What a relief! Jesus is the Lord Messiah (Luke 2:11; Ps. 110:1) He is not GOD, making two GODS!
If Jesus is the Messiah (I believe he is) he spoke the truth. God raised him from the dead, so God obviously approved him. Yes, a rebuilt temple or sanctuary is needed to fulfil the prophecy. A middle-eastern ruler, the King of the North of Daniel is expected. A false covenant will deceive many and for the last half of the seventieth "seven" there will be a Gt Trib. for all those who do not escape or are protected. Jesus will return after that time of Gt Tribulation, not before (Mt. 24:29).
Christians should be dedicated to following and obeying Jesus. But are they doing this when they disregard what Jesus called the most important of all commands that we are to "Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is one LORD." This is Mk. 12:29.
Jesus agreed with a Jewish scribe about this cardinal command. Christians appear to disobey Jesus here, since they believe in a TRIUNE God, not recognized by Jesus. This should be a matter of grave concern. Salvation comes to those who obey Jesus (Heb. 5:9).
Dr. James White in his book on the Trinity struggles, as he says, with language.
In great detail (pp. 24ff.) he tells us that God is "one WHAT" and "three Who's."
He says that we must never muddle the WHAT and the WHO's. He gives no Bible verse to support his notion that God is a WHAT. In Scripture God is never a WHAT, always a WHO, He, Him, etc. God is a WHO thousands of times in both Testaments. This shows that the language of the Trinity has departed from the Bible. God is never a Triune God.
The notion of "once saved always saved" is dangerously wrong. It is contradicted flat by Jesus, who warned in Luke 8:13 that "some believe for a while." But then "they fall away," and thus do not endure to the end. Paul said the same thing exactly in Rom. 11:22. He there spoke of God's "kindness to you [Christians], IF you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off." If it were impossible for them to lose out on salvation, Paul could never have written such a clear warning!
The question of the begetting = coming into existence of the Son of God is the ultimate storm center of all theological debate! Inform yourself about what the Bible says about the begetting of Jesus and you will be wise! Mt. 1:20 says that the baby "begotten" in her is from holy spirit, a direct creation of his Father who is God.
Lk 1:35 speaks of the baby about to be begotten. "He will be holy and the Son of God." This was easy until church fathers pushed the origin of the Son back in time.
Many Christians have rightly protested against the unintelligible idea that Jesus was "eternally generated." I John 5:18 says that he was begotten as a single past event. "The one who was begotten from God protects [the Christian]." This begetting, coming into existence of the Son was an event in past time and Luke 1:35 and Matt. 1:20 (begotten in Mary) tell us when. So Jn. 1:1 speaks of the word, not yet the Son, as eternal. The Son came into existence in Jn 1:14, and it was a miracle in Mary.
Jesus gave a distinct sign for the end of the age. "When you see the Abomination of Desolation standing where HE ought not to." This is Mk. 13:14. See the RV and other translations for HE. The A of D is a personal ANTICHRIST figure.
This will be the sign of the onset of the Gt Tribulation. Immediately after that Great Triubation (cp Dn 12:2; Mt. 24:29) Jesus will return. There is no PRE-Trib rapture in the Bible. Christians will meet the Lord as he comes down, and escort him to the earth.
"Do we not all have ONE Father. Has not ONE GOD created us?" This simple summary of who the ONE God (Malachi 2:10) is, would unite the world religions now divided. Christianity abandoned its own founder's definition of God that "the LORD our GOD is one LORD" (Mk. 12:29). God is not Two Persons or Three, but only One, the Father of Jesus. Jesus the Messiah was brought into existence, begotten in Mary, as Luke 1:35 explains. I Tim. 2:5, if believed, would settle these controversial issues.
In the teaching of Jesus relative to the monotheism of the OT and Judaism, there had been no element of change whatsoever. Mk 12:29ff. recorded the confirmation by Jesus himself, without any reservation, of the supreme monotheistic confession of faith of Israelite religion in its complete form. The means by which the Church tried to show its agreement of the dogma of the Deity of both Father and Son with monotheism, remained seriously uncertain and contradictory" (Dr. Werner, p. 241).
“The Church found itself in a dilemma as soon as it tried to harmonize the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus and the Deity of the Father with monotheism. For according to the NT witnesses, in the teaching of Jesus relative to the monotheism of the OT and Judaism, there had been no element of change whatsoever. Mk. 12:29 recorded the confirmation byJesus himself, without any reservation, of the supreme monotheistic confession of faith of the Israelite religion in its complete form. (Dr. Werner, 241)
Dr. James Dunn is a top scholar whose career has been devoted to defining the relationship between God and His Son. He concludes, in his latest book, a study of the question as to whether the early Christians worshiped Jesus: "Jesus is not YHVH, not the God of Israel." This is a breakthrough. If one says "Jesus is YHVH" and since the Father is YHVH, one is confessing two YHVHs. This breaks the creed of Jesus and the BIble that "the LORD our GOD is one LORD" (Mark 12:29).
There is only one YHVH! (nothing to do with Jack!). Once you say "Jesus is YHVH" you are committed to two YHVH's, since we all know that the Father is YHVH. From the 200's AD, on voices rose in protest against the churches promotion of two who are YHVH. This remains THE problem. Jews reject the church and so do Moslems, and rightly, because they hear "two YHVHs,"
God is not a WHAT. He is always a single WHO, A HE.
There are YHVH texts in the OT which are applied to Jesus in the New. That is because Jesus functions for God, as a perfect agent. Jesus does YHVH things. This does not mean he IS YHVH! Phil. 2 speaks of the man "Messiah Jesus" not a preexisting GOD the Son. Heb. 1:10 is explained by its context in 2:5. It is about the world to come, not Genesis. Ps. 102 is quoted from the LXX which differs from the Hebrew Bible. The Psalm is about the future Kingdom and Jesus is very much involved with that.
Sometimes it is said that non-Trinitarians "assume" unitarianism. This is true. I also assume that my wife is one person and that King David is one person! Singular personal pronouns define the One God thousands of times in Scripture. This ought to convince everyone that God is not three Persons! Dr. White says that "God is one WHAT." Then should we call Him an "It"? Dr. White immediately calls God "He," and so he contradicts his definition of God as "one WHAT." God is a single LORD.
Dr.James White in his interesting book The Forgotten Trinity explains that Trinitarians must speak of God as one WHAT, while the Three Persons are three WHOs (26-28). The Who's and the What's must never be confused, he says. But on p.132 he identifies Jesus as Yahweh (ie one of the WHOs) and then defines the Triune God (all three together) as also Yahweh. He also says that the Father is Yahweh, another of the WHOs. This means that he is confusing the WHAT with the WHO's. This is contradictory.
The distinction between "being called" and who one "is" will not work in Luke 1:35. Otherwise the truth of Jesus, the Son's origin is lost. Because of and based on the miracle in Mary Jesus will be called, i.e. will be the Son of God. To be called is not different from actually being. Just compare Lk 6:35 and Matt. 5:9 to see that being called Son means that is what you are! Jesus is defined as Son of God for one original reason and no other. The miracle in Mary makes him Son of God.
Once the Son of God appeared in John 1:14, he is of course a person! But until the word (not yet the SON) became a person, it was the word of God, God's personal self-expression. What "preexisted" was the word not an invented God the Son. This is not so hard, but one must stop to think about it. We all know that once the Son was brought into existence, then of course the word was a person as in Rev. 19.
We all know that. But read Jn. 1:1: No SON of God there, yet.
Dr. White has kindly responded on radio to my simple point about Yahweh in his book The Forgotten Trinity. I pointed out that on pp. 26-28 Dr. White explains that Trinitarians must insist on not mixing or muddling the "WHAT" (Being) of God and the WHO's (the three Persons). But on p. 132 he uses the same word YHVH to define both the Triune WHAT of God and the three Persons, the WHOs. He is thus equivocating on the word YHVH and making it mean both the WHAT and the WHO's. This is a contradiction.
Some have difficulty in thinking afresh! In Jn 1:1 the "word" is the word of the One God, until IT becomes the person Jesus Christ the SON in v. 14! Why is this difficult? John 1:1 does not say "in the beginning was the SON." It says "word."
Are you unaware of all the translations in English from Greek before the KJV which agree with my point? Go to our site and look up the 40 more translations which agree.
The Son appears for the first time in Jn 1:14. He is fully expressive of God.
Is Jesus YAHWEH, or is he the unique representative of Yahweh? Many proclaim that Jesus IS Yahweh. But that would mean that there are TWO Yahwehs. This however destroys the first command and Jesus' own creed that "the LORD our God is ONE Yahweh" (Mk. 12:29). If the Father and Jesus, the Son are both YHVH, that would make two YHVHs. Count how many the true God is: One Yahweh, the Father of Jesus. Jesus is the unique Son of God, and the explicit basis for this is found in Luke 1:35.
In the Book of Acts, Jesus is presented as a 'man' (Acts 2:22-23). In the Book of 1 Timothy, Jesus is presented as a 'man' (1 Timothy 2:5). In the Book of Hebrews he is presented as a man everywhere. So, he's still a man. Then comes the question of what race and tribe he was of. The answer is found in his genealogy, of Israel of the tribe of Judah. So yes, Jesus not only was a Jew but still is a Jew.
HaGibbor 23 hours ago
One commentator below claims that no Christian ever says he believes in three Gods.
I wonder if you have read Dr. Robert Morey's long book supporting the Trinity. On. p. 116 he has the heading "Two Yahwehs." Have you considered that? In the Athanasian creed we hear, "the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty and the Holy Spirit Almighty," but this is not three Almighties." Is that clear to you? When did you ever utter a proposition which equates 3 X's with 1X?
AbrahamicMovement 2 days ago
Trinitarians overlook the overarching simple evidence, when defining God. 1300 times in the Greek NT "God" means the Father! Jesus is callled "God" twice for certain. Both of these verses are easily explained. But what of the massive evidence of God=Father 1300 times?
Then the Creed of Jesus. The onus is on Trinitarians to prove that the Shema, on which the whole OT is based, is a Trinitarian creed. Jesus agreed on the Shema, not only with Deut. 6:4 but also with a Jewish scribe (Mk 12:29)
AbrahamicMovement 2 days ago
Some condemn us for "denying the Deity of Jesus." But what if they are denying the unique Deity of God! The Father is "the only one who is true God" (Jn 17:3) and so to place another in the position of absolute Deity violates the unmatched position of the Father. Jesus is the Man Messiah (I Tm. 2:5) and he has been highly exalted. But even in highest position he is still ADONI, the lord, not a second God. Jesus' creed is violated if someone confesses the Deity of Jesus making two Gods. 1+1=2!
AbrahamicMovement 3 days ago
The moment you speak of the "Deity" of Jesus, ie that he IS YHVH or IS GOD, you are committed to two who are GOD, ie more than one God. The creed of the Bible is straightforward. "The LORD (Yahweh) is one LORD" (Mk 12:29). One is not two! The origin of Jesus (Matt. 1:18) is given in detail in Matthew and Luke. Read them very simply, and you will see when the Son came into existence,. Read John only after you have thoroughly understood Matt. and Luke's account of the ORIGIN of the Son of God.
AbrahamicMovement 6 days ago
The scribe who agreed wholeheartedly with Jesus in Mk. 12:32 that "God is one and there is no other but He" proved that God is a single Divine Person, not Three. In the scribe's sentence, there are five grammatically singular elements. No one saying "no other but HE' could intend HE to mean He-Three!. The singular personal prounoun HE demonstrably shows that God is a single Person. Do we not all know that a singular personal pronoun denotes a Single Person? We need to return to Jesus' creed.
AbrahamicMovement 1 week ago
In a popluar book on the Trinity Dr. Robert Morey speaks of his belief in "TWO YAHWEHs" (on p. 116, The Trinity, Evidence and Issues).This is, alas, blatant polytheism! The understanding of Jesus is uttterly opposed to the idea of Two Yahwehs. Jesus defined God like this: "The LORD our GOD is ONE LORD" Two who are YHVH, or Two Yahwehs goes beyond the teaching of Jesus and the Bible and should be rejected by any who want to worship God in spirit and truth.
AbrahamicMovement 1 week ago
Popular Christianity has been yanked out of its original Jewish environment. This was a disaster. Jesus believed in "the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob." Everyone knows that this God of Abrhaam was not a Triune God!. Paul was equally a convinced believer in the God of his Jewish heritage and expressed this clearly in I Tim. 2:5. "There is one God and one mediator between God and man, the human being Jesus Christ." That is perfectly clear.
Jesus had also recited the unitarian creed of Israel.
AbrahamicMovement 1 week ago
Ps. 110:1 is a major key to understanding that Jesus is not YHVH! This verse is quoted over and over in the NT as defining the risen Jesus. He is ADONI (my lord) not ADONAI, the Lord God. Unfortunately some authorities actually falsify the facts about the original in Ps. 110:1.
Again, the second lord is ADONI (=my lord, not my Lord). The term ADONI, my lord, is never a reference to GOD. It occurs 195 times and explicitly tells us about a non-DEITY superior.
AbrahamicMovement 1 week ago
Who is the God of Abraham, and Isaac and Jacob? This is Yahweh, who is also the God of Jesus. He is a single Divine Self, one Person. To make HIM (a singular pronoun) THREE is to violate commonsense and the universally agreed rules of language. It causes unspeakable argument and division. Unity will come when Christians agree with the creed of Jesus in Mk 12:29. Jesus prescribed the only valid creed. "The Lord God is ONE Lord." This one Person was the God of Abraham and of Israel, and of Jesus.
AbrahamicMovement 2 weeks ago
Salvation is based on obeying Jesus (Heb. 5:9 and hundreds of texts). That being so, why not ask yourself what Jesus commanded in regard to belief in the True God. Jesus quoted the famous, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." This is the core of Jesus' belief and thus ought to be the core of your belief as a follower of Jesus. That creed is a unitarian, non-Trinitarian creed, is it not? Or do you think that Jesus believed in a Triune God? Test yourself on that primary issue.
AbrahamicMovement 2 weeks ago
If we take Jesus' teaching seriously as Christians we ought surely to be bound by his unitarian creed in Mark 12:29. He agreed this unitarian creed with a fellow Jew. No Jew belleved in the Trinity, and nor did Jesus. The Christian creed ought to be the creed of Christ, but we have abandoned Jesus at a fundamental level. Is this wise in view of the teaching of Jesus that we are to be judged by his words? (John 12:44-48)
AbrahamicMovement 2 weeks ago
Jesus was a strict monotheist. He was sent to the people of Israel and they did not believe in a Triune God! Everyone knows that. Jesus affirmed the unitarian creed of Israel when he agreed that "the Lord God is one Lord," with a fellow Jew. There is never a hint that Jesus believed in the Trinity. You should ask yourself then why it is that you are not following Jesus in this matter of creed, You claim to love Jesus and obey him? Then why do you disregard his central creed? Search the heart!
AbrahamicMovement 2 weeks ago
In Jn 17:3 Jesus made a profoundly significant utterance. Life in the age to come, immortality, consists in this that "they come to know YOU [FATHER] THE ONLY ONE WHO IS TRUE GOD, and in Jesus Christ whom you commissioned." Jesus is a Jew and stresses the unitarian creed of Israel. Only ONE PERSON, the Father, is the one true God. No one else is. These are easy statements. Not harder than 'You, Obama, are the only one currently the President of the USA." This is biblical, Jesuanic monotheism.
AbrahamicMovement 2 weeks ago
The creed of Jesus is found in Mark 12:29. "The Lord our GOD is one single Lord." This is also the creed of Israel. Jesus was a Jew and agreed with a Jewish scribe about how many God is. He is one Father, one God. This is affirmed by Paul in I Cor 8:4-6. There is no other God besides Him, the Father. This is unitarian monotheism and it is a tragedy that the church claiming to follow Jesus actually abandoned Jesus at this fundamental level.
AbrahamicMovement 3 weeks ago
There is no Trinity in Matt. 28. Start with the creed of Jesus. "The Lord our God is One Lord." The scribe repeated the words of Jesus by saying that "He is one, there is no other besides Him." That is One Person, not three. Jesus is the founder of the Christian faith and his creed is the one to be believed. His teachings are the final word for us all. We will be judged by adherence to his words and Mark 12:29 is the essential core of his thinking and teaching. Paul echoed this in I Cor. 8.4-6.
AbrahamicMovement 3 weeks ago
I know that people will say, "what about Matt 28:19?" Eusebeus (historian) at the time of constantine explains that this was corrupted to say the hellinistic titles of the trinity. The vatican added the one in John 500 years ago. I don't know if everything these guys teach are true, but I'm going to look into what they have to say. At least I don't feel like I'm the only one looking for the truth. May the God and Father of our Messiah Yeshua bless you and yours to desire and find the truth!
ApostasyRestoration 3 weeks ago
@ApostasyRestoration unfortunately for us there are no MSS. to support some of the claims of the 'Church Fathers'.
AbrahamicMovement 3 weeks ago
@AbrahamicMovement Fortunately the apostate sect created in the sun god college of the catholic church by the anti-christ constantine is not my church and can not be called or be part of any true assembly of God. Their claims are claims of apostates for the sun-god trinity and not ours. Fortunately I only have one Father and He is my one God. Even the title 'church fathers' is apostate. There claims have no hold. Do you believe in the coming of Elijah - or the two who come to restore all? thx
ApostasyRestoration 3 weeks ago
Why does no one bother to talk about the creed of Jesus? It is found in Mark 12:29. Jesus is in full agreement with a Jewish scribe in declaring his belief in the Lord GOD as ONE Lord,
Jesus could not possibly have subscribed to a Trinitarian creed. Why then are churchgoers invited to abandon Jesus at the most fundamenal level? Why have we discarded Christianity's founder's creed? It makes no sense at all. The NT urges us at all costs to "listen to the Son."
But we have not done this.
AbrahamicMovement 3 weeks ago
Jesus commands us all to pay attention to who God is, He is the one God of the Creed of Israel. Jesus affirmed the creed of Dt. 6:4 in Mk. 12:29. The scribe agreed with him that there is no GOD "except Him," the One God. We all know that HIM means a singular Person.
Jesus did not say there is more than one Lord. The scribe did not say "no God but THEM."
Do you really imagine that Jesus included himself in that creed? Impossible. A few verses later he defines himself as ADONI, my lord, never God!
AbrahamicMovement 4 weeks ago
Jesus was the original genuine biblical Christian, but Christians have disregarded his teaching about who God is and what the Gospel is. Jesus declared his firm belief in the One God of Israel, certainly not in a Triune God, a Trinity Jesus defined God in Mk 12:29. Christians have abandoned him at this fundamental level, substituting a Trinity for the One single God of Jesus' creed, They have also disregarded his Gospel command to "repent and believe in the Gospel of the Kingdom" (Mk. 1:14,15).
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
"What would Jesus do?" is the slogan of some Christians? Equally fundamental is this: "How Does Jesus Define God"?: He defines his God, and ours, as one Person, the Father. Jesus commanded that we are to hear and believe the statement, "The Lord our God is one Lord."
That is not two lords or three lords! Jesus was a Jewish-Christian unitarian and would never have accepted the idea of a Triune God. Revival means returning to the words and commands of Jesus starting with Marki 12:29.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
One leading exponent of the Trinity says that God is a "complex unity." This is false to the Bible's witness that God is a single Person, a single Divine Self. We know this because thousands of times God is referred to by singular personal pronouns. A singular pronoun means a single, not complex, Person. God is strictly One Person, the Father of Jesus.
No verse says that God is a complex unity. No verse defines God as Three in One. The Bible refers to God about 11,000 times as a single Person.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Trinitarian experts do not seem to agree at all on how to define God. One writer on the Trinity says that GOD is one WHAT in three WHO's. Another is sure that God is a single WHO.
In logic one cannot be 3X and 1X at the same time. That is just nonsense. God is obviously a single He, a single WHO, a single SELF on nearly every page of the Bible! Jesus believed in the ONE GOD (ie one divine Person) and he said that this belief is the core of all good understanding and practice (see Mk. 12:29).
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
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Jesus didn't come for all nations, but only for the house of Israel (for the jews) (Matthew-ch-15-vs-24)
"I was not sent forth to ANY but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew-ch-15-vs-24)
TheIsmaelIsaac 1 month ago
Lk 2:11 says that the one born in Bethlehem was the "Lord Messiah," the Lord Christ. One of the most uninformed comments found on the internet is that this means that the ANOINTED YAHWH was born! Such amazing ignorance points to the vast need for biblical education. The word "lord" does not automatically mean the LORD GOD (Yahweh). Why don't people look at Ps. 11O:1 and learn that the second lord is NOT Yahweh, but rather ADONI= my lord. ADONI never refers to God but always to non-Deity..
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Psalm 110:1 remains a barrier to any belief in the Trinity. Quite apart from the fact that about 11,000 occurrence of the words for GOD do not yield a single occasion in which GOD=Triune God, the Greek version (LXX) of Ps. 110:1 merely confirms that ADONI my lord (195 times never referring to God) is correct in the Hebrew Bible The difference between kurios mou and kurios can be documented in scores of texts.Two exceptions because of a double address do not destroy the rule. Adoni is never GOD,
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Leading expert and author Dr. James Dunn (Christology in the Making, 251) provokes serious thinking about the paganism in popular Christianity. He wrote, "There is always the possibility that popular pagan superstition became popular Christian superstition by a gradual assimilation and spread of belief." Is the God-Man of the creeds really the historical Messiah? Is the popular gospel about "going to heaven" really the Gospel as Jesus preached it? It is worth a careful investigation.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Phil. 2:5ff. says not a word about Jesus being GOD and becoming man. The subject is not GOD, but a human being in the image/form of God. It is the Messiah Jesus whom Paul describes. The Messiah Jesus is "the MAN Messiah Jesus" (I Tm 2:5). "No one has seen God," and so it would be sheer contradiction to say "the Messiah is God." Jesus was the visible image of the invisible God. As the uniquely privileged Son of God (Lk. 1:35), Jesus took the role of servant and obeyed God to the point of death.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
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damildlyshreddah 1 month ago
The Hebrews writer spends the early part of his exhortation arguing that Jesus as Son of God is superior to angels (he cannot therefore be Michael the archangel!), superior to Moses; and that the Son is the final word of God to us all. This demonstrably means that the SON cannot BE God! You don't argue that the Son is superior to an angel, if you believe he IS GOD!. All you would say is that the SON is coequal with the Father. Jesus is "god" in a Messianic sense in 1:8. Only the Father is GOD.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
God expressly did NOT speak in a SON in the OT times. This is stated categorically by Heb.1:1-2. The NT teaches that the Son of God was brought into existence supernaturally some 2000 years ago. This means that Jesus is truly a seond Adam. It was later pagan influence which turned him into a person who did not originate as Matthew and Luke describe.
The Messiah died for our sins. God cannot die. "I am he," in Jn. 8:58 describes Jesus as the Messiah in God' s plan and purpose.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
All needs to be said is Acts 3:13, John 4:21-24, and John 8:54.
TheGenuineChristian 1 month ago
Jesus gave 3 commands concerning who God is and our duty to HIm. Jesus declared that the most important theo-logy of all is this: "HEAR, O ISRAEL, the Lord our GOD is one Lord" (Mk. 12:28ff.). That is the first imperative: HEAR. We are to love that One God, and thirdly we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. Most forget the first command of Jesus. We are to worship the one God of Jewish, biblical unitary monotheism, not a strange incomprehensible God who is mysteriously THREE. Follow Jesus!
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
NT Christians insist on obedience to Jesus (Jn. 3:36; II Jn. 7-9; Heb. 5:9, etc.). Obedience obviously means hearing, understanding and believing what Jesus taught. Jesus bases his love of God and service of God on love and obedience to the one God of Israel, his Father.
Churches have opted NOT to follow Jesus at a fundamental level. Churches gather under the umbrella of a strange Triune God, not known to Jesus. Jesus was a Jew and the pioneer, model Christian. Why not follow him in Mk. 12:28f.?
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Jesus puts at the center of Christian faith the unitarian creed, formal definition of God, which was revealed to Israel. Jesus knew nothing of a Triune God. Jesus affirmed the unitarian creed of Israel (Mk 12:29ff.). Is no one troubled by the obvious fact that churches have abandoned Jesus at the most basic level. Jesus believed in One God, the Father. Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. Jesus never modified Israel's definition of GOD as a single divine Person, certainly not three. Return to Jesus.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
“The Son of God came to give us an understanding so that we might know God” (I Jn. 5:20). Is. 53:11, “By his knowledge my Servant will make many righteous.”
Salvation is given to those who obey Jesus (Hb. 5:9). Why not start by obeying Jesus' first and fundamental command: "change your minds and believe the Gospel about the Kingdom." This is in Mk. 1:14, 15. Look at conversion in the NT, "When they believed Philip as he evangelized them with the Gospel of the Kingdom, they got baptized"
Ac 8:12.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
“In the Book of Acts the Kingdom of God was still the general formula for the substance of Christian teaching” (Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. II, p. 855).
“The Kingdom announced by the Messiah who is the Son of Man is possible only through his death and will be finally and fully realized on earth only at his glorious return. This is indeed the heart of the Gospel.” (Donald Hagner, PhD, Word Biblical Commentary on Matthew, 1-13, p. 214.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
On the lips of Jesus the term Kingdom of God unquestionably summarized the very heart of his Message. “The Kingdom of God is the central theme of the teaching of Jesus, and it involves his whole understanding of his own person and work” (Theological Word Book of the Bible, Alan Richardson, p. 119). [Luke 4:43 is repeated by Paul in Acts 20: 24, 25 ministry course given by Jesus, Gospel of the grace of God = the preaching of the Kingdom, v. 25]
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Bishop Wright in his quotation below says that the question as to what the Gospel is is a question worth asking. "15 subsequent years of teaching at Oxford. Montreal and Cambridge have convinced me that this question… is worth asking.’”
Worth asking?!! Superb British understatement. He is asking the quesion as to what Christianity is, and it appears he is still unsure. The answer is that Jesus preached the saving Gospel about the Kingdom and did not just die for it! The Kingdom is vital.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Prof. and Bishop NT Wright (Jesus and the Victory of God, 1996, xiv): “In one sense I have been working on this book on and off for most of my life. Serious thought began, however, when I was invited in 1978 to give a lecture at Cambridge on ‘the Gospel in the Gospels.’ The topic was not just impossibly vast; I did not understand it. I had no real answer, then, to the question of how Jesus’ whole life, not just his death on the cross in isolation, was somehow ‘gospel.’
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
“In Revelation the eternal messianic Kingdom is placed on a renovated earth so that Christ comes to his people on earth rather than gathering them to a heavenly abode” (Word Bible Comm. Rev. 17-22, David Aune, p. 1069).
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
In popular theology, aided by post-biblical creeds, Jesus has been turned into the Creator of Heavens and Earth. This displaces the Father from that unrivaled position. The Father of Jesus is the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. The Father is the ONLY ONE WHO IS TRUE GOD (Jn. 17:3). It is category mistake to turn the human Messiah, supernaturally brought into existence in Mary (Lk 1:35) into a second GOD, a rival to the ONLY ONE WHO IS GOD, that is, the Creator of the world and of Jesus.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
In a curious way, people abandon the meaning of easy words, when struggling to understand Scripture. It ought not to be difficult to understand the easy word "beget." It means "to cause to come into existence." It tells of the beginning of existence of a person or thing. According to Matt. and Luke the Son of God began to exist, came into existence in the womb of Mary.
We are to believe this! Not argue with it. Zechariah was struck dumb for failing to believe the words of the angel. Lk 1:35!
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
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Jesavae 1 month ago
God surely knows who HE is and how many He is! "God said, I am the God worshiped by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" (Mark 12:26). Is that the Triune God of Christianity? Everyone should know that the God of Abraham was not a Trinitarian God! Jesus guranteed the continuity between the theology of the Jews and the Hebrew Bible and his own theology and thus of NT Christianity. Jesus was a unitarian. The Trinity represents a strange innovation and alteration of the God defined by Jesus in Mark 12:29.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
A reality check is much needed in Church. As Christians we claim to be following Jesus. But are we doing this at the most fundamental level? Are we listening carefully to Jesus' definition of who GOD IS? Jesus affirmed tne UNITARY monotheistic creed of Israel in Mk 12:28ff. The only true God is the Father (Jn. 17:3). Jesus is the MAN MESSIAH (Lk. 2:11; I Tm. 2:5). The church dogmatically enforced a different creed declaring God to be THREE persons. But how can discarding Jesus be a wise move?
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Jesus could not possibly BE God! He is the begotten SON of God (Lk. 1:35 is the key). Jesus said that he worshiped God (Jn. 4:22). It was the worship of the Father (Jn. 4:23), who, Jesus said, is "the only one who is true God" (Jn. 17:3). The Father is looking for people to worship in spirit and truth (Jn. 4:24). The Trinitarian, Triune God was unknown to Jesus. He would not be able to sign a Trinitarian faith statement. He would be unwelcome in our churches today. The true creed is Mk.12:29.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
A conspiracy of silence has overtaken the Church in the matter of defining which GOD we are to worship. Jesus has a right to be heard, but his voice has not been allowed to determine who GOD is. Jesus said that "salvation of from the Jews" (Jn. 4:22).. Jesus taught and recited the creed of Israel (Mk. 12:29). Paul said that the God of the Jews is the God of all believers, Jews and Gentiles alike (Rom. 3:29). The Church has overruled Jesus and replaced his GOD with a strange TRIUNE God.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
An annual conference is held in Atlanta (the 21st, will be May 3-6, 2012). You are invited to attend and fellowship with others dedicated to the original Christian monotheism taught by Jesus (Mk 12:29). For details please go to Restoratioin Fellowship. org. Among speakers will be professor of philosophy and logic, Dr. Dale Tuggy. Interaction with speakers is encouraged and attendees may, if they wish, share their personal stories of faith. Do please consider attending and meeting others.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Is anyone listening to German author and systematic theologian, Ohlig? "It is hardly ever asked how it came about that the inherited Jewish monotheism, which Jesus of Nazareth doubtless shared, was changed in Christianity into a Trinitarian conception and why, and with what right Christianity has departed from the understanding of God of Jesus and the 12 Apostles. Some do not contest the dogma, as if God were unitarily One, but most [Christians] are probably closet TRITHEISTS" (Ohlig, p 19).
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Christians need to make up their minds about following Jesus! This might seem obvous, but are you following Jesus if your concept of God is not the one taught by Jesus? Jesus taught that the Father is GOD, and no one else is. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. He never claimed to be God, which would make two Gods. Jesus recited the creed of Israel in Mk. 12:29 and was thus committed to a God who is not a Triune God. Can we afford to be dismissing Jesus while claiming to follow him?
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
@AbrahamicMovement We cannot afford to dismiss Jesus! Amen!
Jesavae 1 month ago
"God is the God of the Jews and also of the Gentiles" (Rom. 3:29) This is the same one God. But that one God of the Jews is certainly not the Triune God of Christianity! Paul did not know any such Triune God. Nor would it be right at all for Christians NOT to follow the creed of Jesus, which was the creed of the Jews (Mk 12:28ff.). Since the God of Jesus was the ONE GOD of the Jews, then we too must worship that same God of the Jews. Indeed as Jesus said "Salvation is from the Jews."
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
'GOD IS THE GOD OF THE JEWS," so Paul said in Rom. 3:29. But if you are a Christian you are worshipping a Triune God, who is not the God of the Jews. Why this discrepancy? It was in post-biblical times that the unitary monotheism of Jesus (Mk. 12:29) was replaced by a strange God in Three Persons. Jesus did not know of this God. Jesus also said that salvation is from the Jews (Jn. 4:22), and Paul defined God (above) as the "God of the Jews" (Rom. 3:29). Churchgoers need a reality check.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Is it unreasonable that as Christians we should insist on the creed of Jesus declared in Mark 12:28ff.? Is this the creed of the Churches? It is not. Jesus affirmed complete agreement with a Jewish scribe about how many God is. He said that the Lord GOD is one Lord. This is not a Trinitarian creed. So the critical question is this: Could Jesus on this evidence sign a Trinitarian statement of faith? Are you sure that he approves of your church's creed? Was not Jesus obviously a untarian? Are you?
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
If you say that you believe that "Jesus is God," and you know also of course that "the Father is GOD" (ie God the Father, a NT title), you are confessing rather obviously faith in two Gods.
Jesus is God and the Father is God makes two Gods, according to the uniform rules of language we all agree on! You learned long ago that "I", "Me," He" mean a single person. God is defined as one single Divine Self. Tthousands of singular personal pronouns tell us this.
Thus HE (GOD) is one Person not 2 or 3
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Read carefully the words of Jesus in conversation with a fellow Jew in Mark 12:28ff. Jesus taught us there that the most important commandment of all is recognizing that God is ONE Person. Paul believed also that "there is ONE GOD, the Father" (I Cr. 8:4-6). There was never any doubt about the identity of God in the NT. However, a later change of creed abandoned Jesus at a fundamental level. Today a TRIUNE God, unknown to Jesus, presides over Church, and no one seems in any way upset!. Why?
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Mk. 12:28ff. remains a huge embarrassment to traditional Church, which gathers in the name of a Triune God. Jesus did not believe in a Triune God. He stated the creed of Israel, which defines God as a single Person, YHVH. Paul repeated the Shema in I Co. 8:4-6. Just as Jesus in Jn 17:3 does not include himself in the Shema, neither did Paul! Jesus is the Messiah, not God (making two GODS!). Jesus is the "my lord" of Ps. 110:1, a controlling text.
ADONI never means God. Always a non Deity figure.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
Paul followed Jesus exactly when he asserted the central creed of biblical faith; the Shema, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord" (Mk 12:28ff.). In I Cr. 8:4-6 Paul repeated that there is "no God except the One God, the Father." He then associated Jesus with that one God, defining Jesus NOT as a second GOD, but as the one "LORD MESSIAH." There are two Lords, one is God the Father. The other is the human Messiah Jesus. This is based on Ps.110:1 where the second lord is ADONI, a man.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
The biblical creed, its central non-negotiable heart and foundation, is echoed and confirmed by Jesus in Mark 12:28ff.. But do churchgoers care that the creed of their church has departed from the uncomplicated creed of Jesus? Do Christians worry about the fact that traditional Christianity has abandoned the creed of its own founder? Ought this not to be a cause for alarm, since we are to be judged by our adherence to the words of Jesus (Jn. 12:47ff).
True revival means a return to Jesus' words.
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
The Gospel is not just about Jesus dying and rising again. Those facts are certainly central, but they are not the whole Gospel. The Gospel was first preached by Jesus (Heb. 2:3), though it was known in advance to Abraham (Gl. 3:8). The spirit is received when the Gospel of the coming Kingdom is received (Gl 3:1-3; Acts 8:12).The word of the Gospel is the immortality program of God Himself, using his uniquely begotten Son Jesus as his final Agent. In Church the KIngdom Gospel is absent...
AbrahamicMovement 1 month ago
A leading Lutheran scholar: "The hope of the early church centered on the resurrection of the last day. It is this which first calls the dead into eternal life. This resurrection happens to the man and not only to the body. Paul speaks of the resurrection not 'of the body,' but 'of the dead'..Thus the original Biblical concepts have been replaced by ideas from Hellenistic, Gnostic dualism... the difference between this and the HOPE of the New Testament is very great" (Theology of Luther, 413).
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The traditional doctrine of GOD in mainstream churches has turned GOD into an incomprehehsible, mathematical mystification. Three will never be equal to ONE! The word "GOD" in the Bible never designates a Triune GOD. God is the Father of Jesus. God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, and the GOD of Jesus. All this is quite simply stated by Jesus in Mark 12:28ff. and by Paul in I Cor.. 8:4-6. Jesus is the "Lord Messiah," Lk. 2:11, certainly not the LORD GOD, who is ONE Person, the Father
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The WHOLE point of God's revelation in Christian Scripture is lost if Jesus is said to BE GOD!
The WHOLE point of the Bible is how GOD is able to show that a Man can overcome the Devil, and thus reverse the tragedy which happened when man first listened to the lies of the Devil instead of obeying the CREATOR God. Jesus is the head of a new human race. By his example to the point of obedience in death, he showed that with God's help man can overcome the Devil. Man was created for this pupose.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The proposition "Jesus IS GOD" does not reflect the Bible. It interferes with the central principle confirmed by Jesus (Mk 12:29) that God is strictly one Person. Jesus knew nothing of the later Church Councils which revised and altered the creed of Jesus and enforced belief, to this day, in a GOD who is THREE-in-ONE. This fatal loss of the foundation of faith has had serious repurcussions, antagonizing Jews and Moslems. Revival will heppen when we return to the One God, the Father and to Jesus.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
A large denomination announced in an important article that the "Keystone of Its Theology" is that ONE PLUS ONE PLUS ONE = ONE. This must be a confession based on evident falsehood, and one would expect it to produce an uproar of protest. But the status quo seems undisturbed. The key to success in church is a return to Jesus' definition of GOD as encapsulated in the famous SHEMA which Jesus affirmed as the most important command of all. A Jewish scribe was in full agreement, defining God as He.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
In the Bible,"GOD" never means a Trinitarian God. Not once. The Bible calls the Father of Jesus GOD 1300 times in the NT. It states that "there is ONE GOD, the Father," in opposition to polytheism (I Cor. 8:4-6).
Jesus is exalted to the right hand of God. In that position Jesus is ADONI (my lord) in Ps. 110:1, which is key to all understanding of who Jesus is-- the Man-lord, not a second GOD-LORD, which leads to polytheism, more than one God.
Revival is found in Jesus' creed (Mk. 12:29)...
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
In I John 5:1 and 18 John very preciesely tells us that the SON of GOD is not GOD! God, in I John 5:1 is the BEGETTER, the Father, and in v. 18 Jesus is the BEGOTTEN one. This is the essential difference between all fathers and sons. God is the Father, the begetter, the one who causes to come into existence, and Jesus is the Son. The Son was caused to come into existence. Therefore he is not God but the SON of God. God is not begotten. He has no beginning, But the Son was BEGOTTEN, fathered,
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The greatest and most fundamental of all commands from Jesus: the formal statement of faith from his lips is missing in Christian churches! The Lord our God, Jesus said, is ONE LORD, He knew nothing of a TRIUNE God. Jesus was in perfect agreement with a Jewish scribe. Mk. 12:29. The true GOD is one Person, not three. Jesus could not BE GOD. He was BEGOTTEN, ie procreated, brought into existence. Read this in Ps. 2:7, II Sam. 7:14, Isa. 9:6,. 7:14, Lk. 1:35, Mt. 1:18, 20, Heb. 1:5, I Jn. 5:18.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The challenge facing churchgoers and lovers of the Bible is to be convinced that they are really following Jesus and not tradition. Might not Jesus complain, as he once did, that worship is traditional and not Bible-based? Take Mk. 12:28. Are you persuaded that Jesus was a believer in a Trinitarian God? Does the creed of Jesus matter supremely to you? Are not his words our judge? Did not Jesus believe, in agreement with the scribe, that God was the Father, and no one else but HE? A simple creed.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The creed of Jesus is unfortunately not the creed of churches claiming his name! This is a public scandal needing attention from all who claim allegiance to Jesus. In Mk. 12:28ff Jesus agreed with a Jewish scribe that God is a single Person, not a Triune God. The Jewish scribe agreed that "HE ie ONE and there is no other but HE." This cannot possibly be a Triune Substance. God is a single HE, a single WHO, not a "What" as claimed by Trinitarians. Ponder this amazing discrepancy. Hear Jesus!
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The Son of God was miraculously brought into existence. He was not "eternally begotten," except in the mind and plan of God from the beginning. To think of Jesus as literally beginning in eternity is to make nonsense of God's promise to express HIMSELF uniquely in a human Son, a member of the royal family of Israel.The Son was brought into existence in time (Lk. 1:35). There is no GOD the SON who assumed flesh. The Son was begotten in Mary (Mt. 1:20). Jesus is the Man Messiah, not the One God
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
If you shift the beginning of the Son of God back into eternity, you add a second God, which disturbs monotheism as Jesus declared it (Mk. 12:29). You also make the Son come THROUGH the womb of Mary, instead of his being begotten, ie brought into existence, IN Mary, as Matt. 1:20 teaches. The WHOLE point of the Messiah is lost if his origin in the human biologiical chain is lost. It is the spirit of antichrist to call in question the human Messiah (I Jn 4:1-2).
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
JESUS DEFINED THE ONE TRUE GOD. He stated that this One God was the Father. Churches changed the creed of Jesus and declared that God is Three Persons, the Trinity. The Trinity concept contradicts what Jesus taught over and over again, that God is the Father alone. Jn 17:3 makes this proposition, and it is easy: "You, Father, are the only one who is TRUE GOD." Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and the Son of God is defined by Lk. 1:35. He is the miraculously procreated promised human Messiah.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The word beget = bring into existence, cause to exist, father, engender, is the storm-center of a centuries-old dispute about who the real Jesus is. From the second century, leadership in he Church fell into Gentile hands. These non-Jews lost track of the very Jewish creed of Jesus (Mk. 12:29). They lost track of the biblical origin of he Son of God, which according to Matt and Luke was in the womb of Mary, by miracle. A non-human, "preexisting" SON was substituted for the historical Jesus.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
Once you accept the meaning of the word "beget" as describing the origin, beginning of existence of the Son of God, the Trinity becomes an impossible doctrine. The Trinity says that the Son of God had no beginning in time. The Bible says the opposite. It says that the Son will be begotten, brought into existence (Isa. 9:6). Ps. 2:7 says the same and so exactly do Luke 1:35; Matt. 1:18, 20 and I John 5:18-- "The Son was begotten from God." A timeless beginning is a nonsense idea.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The issue of the Trinity revolves around whether one is willing to accept the meaning of the word "beget," or whether one chooses to assign it a mystical, non-meaning! To beget means to bring into existence, to procreate, to give existence to, to father. It is the word used of the origin of the Son of God. The promised Son was to be "begotten" (Isa. 9:6). I Jn 5:18 tells us that the Son was "begotten from God." Matthew and Luke say the same thing (1:18, 20; Lk 1:35). Ps. 2:7, is the basis.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The great key to identifying Jesus as the Son of God lies in his origin, his beginning, his coming into existence.The word "beget" is the solution to all difficulties. Isa. 9:6 promises that a SON will be BEGOTTEN and given to Israel as Messiah. Lk.1:35 informs Mary that the child BEGOTTEN is that promised SON. Mt. 1:18, 20 records the GENESIS of that Son and describes him as BEGOTTEN in her. I Jn 5:18 describes Jesus as the one BEGOTTEN by GOD. Thus Ps. 2:7 was fulfilled and God BEGAT a SON.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The whole biblical point about the Messiah, the Son of God, is that he was brought into existence, by miracle. God was to be his Father. In Isa 9:6 the prophet announced that "a son will be begotten for us." To beget means in English, Greek and Hebrew "to cause to come into existence." In traditional theology this simple truth was buried under the nonsense idea that the Son had a "beginningless beginning," that he was "eternally begotten." The Son of God is not eternal. He was begotten in time.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The Bible says: "There is one God, the Father," It says this in these very words in I Cor. 8:4-6. In addition it says the same thing over 1300 times: "There is one God, the Father," "There is one God, the Father." "There is one God the Father." :"There is one God, that Father." Now repeat this over 1300 times and you will learn who God is. He is ONE YHVH, one God and Father or Jesus. The word GOD means the Father over 1300 times. This ought to convince the open-minder seeker that God is ONE.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
Paul and Jesus were not Trinitarians. Paul said, "There is one God, the Father" (I Cor. 8:4-6). Jesus said, "You, Father, are the only one who is true God" (Jn. 17:3).
The word GOD means the Father 1300 times in the Greek NT. This evidence should convince you. No Bible verse with "GOD" means the Triune God.
"President Obama is the only one who is President of the USA now." That is clear. "The Father is the ONLY ONE WHO IS TRUE GOD" (John 17:3). Is this hard to understand? Jesus is the Messiah.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
What if Jesus is what wisdom/word became? Jesus is not then GOD THE SON, making two Gods but the expression of God. He is what wisdom became, the incarnation of wisdom/word, not the incarnation of a SON who did not exist until Lk 1:35. It does not say “in the beginning was the SON” and as Dr. Brown, systematician, at Fuller says “It is patently wrong to make it say ‘In the begnning was the SON.' The Son was begotten and Mt. 1:20 and Lk 1:35 say when this happened.So does I Jn 5:18, an aorist.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
It is a matter of alarm, one would think, that the creed of Jesus, defining God, the God whom we are to love and serve, has been replaced in churches by an alien concept of God-- a TRIUNE GOD. There is no Bible verse, out of 31.000, where it can be shown that "GOD" means a Triune God! This is astonishing, because it means that Jesus has been disregarded at the most fundamental level. Why should not Mark 12:29ff. be the stimulus for a new Reformation? Jesus is the Lord Messian, not GOD!
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The importance of obedience to Jesus cannot be overemphasized. Jesus said, "He who hears my teachings and obeys them will be like a house founded on a rock." Obedience is everything. So then, are we hearing and obeying what Jesus called the most important command of all (Mk. 12:29)? "Listen Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." This is a unitarian monotheistic command. It is THAT God we are to love. No reference to a Triune God. THEOS means the Father 1300 times in the NT never a Triune God.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
Here is the first and fundamental point about Christian faith: "Salvation is given to those who obey Jesus" (Heb. 5:9). Obedience to Jesus means listening to his words, believing them and doing them. His most important word was (Mk. 12:29ff.) "Listen Israel, the LORD our GOD is ONE LORD." This is the unitary monotheistic, non-Trinitarian creed of Jesus. It has been replaced by another, Trinitarian creed in churches. We ought to be concerned! How can one accept Jesus and disregard his words?
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
Christianity is based, or should be, on the words of Jesus. Jesus stated that the most important command of all is "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE LORD,"
This is non-Trinitarian, unitary monotheism. Jesus believed in the One God of his heritage, who is the Father. This is elementary and simple, but the words of Jesus defining God have been replaced in Church by an alien TRIUNE God, not mentioned or sanctioned by Jesus. We are to be judged by our adherence to Jesus' words. Jn. 12:44-48.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
If you have arrived at this site, please examine the second lord of Ps. 110:1. Everyone knows that this verse is quoted massively in the NT. It is the key to who GOD and Jesus are in relation to each other. YHVH is the one Person GOD of ISRAEL and He addresses in a prophetic oracle "my lord." This title ADONI, my lord, is in its 195 occurrences the NON-Deity title for a human superior. This is scholarship's best kept secret! The second lord of Ps. 110:1 is not DEITY but the human Messiah.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
There are 14 forms of the singular personal pronoun in language, including the Bible languages. Thousands of times these singular personal pronouns designate the ONE GOD of Israel. He is one Person, not three! He, I, Me, Himself, Myself, Thou,.etc warn us on every page of Scripture NEVER to depart from the GOD who is a single Person, described by a singular Personal Prounoun. Yet the Church from the second century mananaged to embrace a crypto-polytheism, changing the One God into Three.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
C.S. Lewis made a fundamental theological gaff when he declared that "the Gospel is not in the gospels." That is precisely wrong. Jesus' whole appeal to us is that we build our faith on his own preaching of the Gospel about the coming Kingdom. This is the heart of God's unfolding immortality program. God is inviting you and me now to prepare to inherit the Kingdom of God and fix the world on a grand scale when Jesus comes back to the earth. I Cor. 6:2: "The saints will manage the world."
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
A loving God would never impose on us a tortured and unbelievable metaphysic. Ultimate Reality is ultimately simple.
OmarDenison 2 months ago
Churchgoers will usually cite the golden rule or the command to love one's neighbor as the essential core and foundation of faith. But why do they overlook entirely the most important commandment of all, according to Jesus? Jesus affirmed the primary command of God: "Hear, Israel, the Lord OUR GOD IS ONE LORD" (Mk. 12:28ff.). Jesus was not a Trinitarian. He makes belief in the ONE LORD GOD, ie the Father as the only true God (Jn. 17:3) the essential foundation of faith. He knew of no Triune God.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
Jesus was a unitarian! Not a Trinitarian. Jesus would not be welcome in "orthodox" churches today. How can we demonstrate this: Simply consult Mark 12:28ff. where Jesus affirmed the unitarian creed of his Jewish heritage. Jn. 17:3 similarly reports Jesus as affirming that the Father "is the only one who is true God." This is utterly clear, and supported by 1300 refs. to GOD as the Father, in the NT. The issue is whether Christians will pay close attention to Jesus or not? Tradition or truth?
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
When authors write books to support the Trinity, they leave out of sight the evidence which would undermine their view. Thus Lk 1:35 denies an eternal begetting of the Son and Mt. 1:18, 20 tell us about the origin in time of the Son of God. Trinitarians forget to tell you that 11,000 occs. of the words for God in the Bible never describe a Triune God! "God" in the NT means the Father of Jesus 1300 times. Jesus is referred to as "God" in a secondary sense in Heb. 1:8. The Father alone is God.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The whole point of NT Christianity is lost if Jesus "is GOD." The entire point of the work of Jesus is that he is the "MAN mediator between God and man" (I Tim. 2:5). If Jesus is God he cannot be the Mediator between God and man. God does not need a Mediator who is Himself God! Jesus showed the right way to believe and live, as model for us humans. This is impossible if he is himself God. Jesus is the suffering Messiah, descendant of David and supernaturally brought into existence in Mary.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
It is a remarkable fact that according to the standard lexicons of NT Greek, the word "GOD" never means a Triune God, ie God in three Persons. But churches claim allegiance to a Triune God. Yet He is not mentioned once as such in the BIble, which is claimed as authority for Christian faith. The word GOD in Scripture is one Person and designates the Father of Jesus about 1300 times in the NT. Try rereading the book of Acts and see that it is all about GOD (the Father) and the man Messiah Jesus.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
To discover the meaning of BIble words we should use the standard Greek Lexicons of NT Greek. Amazingly (have you thought about this?), if you look up the word GOD (o theos) you will not find any indication that it means a TRIUNE GOD, in the Bible! So when the Bible says "God," it never references the God which Christianity claims as the true God! Instead you will find that GOD regularly means the Father of Jesus, the God and Father of Jesus, the God of Israel, who is the true and only God.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
Have you ever thought about following the creed of Jesus? Your church displays a creed which dates from centuries after the time of Jesus. But if the words of Jesus and obedience to him mean everything to you, then why not follow Jesus in the command which he declared to be the most important issue of all: "Listen, Israel, the Lord our GOD Is one LORD," not two or three persons who are all LORD!
Would Jesus as a Jewish unitary monotheist be accepted in our churches which are Trinitarian?
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
Why all the frenzied and complex argument about who the God of the Bible is?
Is it really that complicated? Jesus uttered the creed which he called the most important command of all. He said to a fellow Jew (Mk 12:28ff.) "The LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD." Is that hard? No. The true GOD is a single divine Person, the Father. The word "three" is never connected with the One God. The Father is God some 1300 times in the NT. There is only ONE GOD, never "three in one." Revival requires a creed.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
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MrPerfectlogic 2 months ago
It is surprising that church members seem content not to analyze the often-repeated cliam that Christians all believe that "there is one GOD." Certainly the BIble insists on belief in ONE GOD. What you are not told is that Paul wrote:
"There is one God, the Father." No Bible verse reads: "one God, the Father, Son & Holy Spirit." In additioin the word GOD in the NT obviously refers to the Father, about 1300 times. 11,000 occurrences of the words for GOD provide not one meaning A TRIUNE GOD.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
Jesus is the Son of God, because God was his Father by divine, creative miracle in Mary. This miracle brought the Son of God into existence--Luke 1:35, Matt. 1:18 (genesis) and v. 20 "what is begotten, brought into existence, in her." The later doctrine of the Trinity altered these easy facts. The Son was pushed back into eternity and he had what one "church father" called a "beginningless beginning." The biblical Jesus, Son of God, Christ, was lost in the fog of gnostic, pagan philosophy.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The Son of God is given a precise definition in the BIble. The Son has an origin in time. Matthew uses the word GENESIS for the Son, his origin. He then describes the one "brought into existence in Mary" (1:20). The word used is GENNAO and it means to "cause to come into existence." It is thus a flat contradiction of Scripture to say that the SON has no beginning! I Jn. 5:18 confirms the beginning and point of origin of the SON. The Son was "caused to come into existence" (GENNAO). Cp. Ps. 2:7.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The argument for belief in a TRIUNE GOD comes mostly from the Gospel of John.
This means that the evidence of the rest of Scripture is kept out of sight. There are about 11,000 occs of the various words for GOD in the Bible. Not one of them can be shown to mean a Triune God. So when the Bible says God, Yahweh, Lord God, where does it ever mean a Triune God? Can you quote a single verse?
What lexicon defines "the God" in Greek "o theos," to mean a God in three Persons?
Ponder all this with care.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The constant appeal of Jesus was and is that we listen to him! It is perilous not to since he said that we are going to be judged by his words. How well will churches do when that judgement comes? Jesus inisisted on belief in the ONE GOD of Israel. Jesus confirmed this definitioin of God in conversation with another Jew. Mark 12:28ff. gives us this information. In church however this creed is bypassed and rejected in favor of an inexplicable Three in One God! Meditate on the words of Jesus.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The most alarming feature of contemporary Church is that it blithely dismisses or overlooks what Jesus called the Most Important Command of all! It is "Listen Israel, the Lord our God is ONE LORD" (Mk 12:29, the NT and LXX). The Church has replaced this foundational saying of Jesus with a creed alien to his thinking.
The Church declares belief in a Triune God, unknown to Jesus. Why this amazing confidence in dispensing with the Christian founder's own creed?
Should not the alarm be sounded?
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
It is amazing that exponents of the Trinity propose to us that GOD is "one WHAT"!
Surely any child opening a Bible will see immediately that God is one "HE." God is a single divine Self, not a mysterious Triune WHAT! The public has been scammed on a grand scale, and should speak up in protest! The creed of Jesus is all important as the basis for a sound relationship with GOD. That creed was agreed between a Jewish scribe and Jesus and is found in Mark 12:28ff. God is ONE single LORD.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
The creed of Jesus is spelled out with complete precision in Mark 12:28ff.. But churches show their disdain for Jesus by bypassing what Jesus called the greatest of all the commandments. Churches have rejeted the unitary monotheistic creed of Jesus! But God said "listen to my SON." Jesus defined the True God as a single Lord, ie one Person, not THREE, not a TRIUNE God which is an import from paganism. Revival will happen when the words of Jesus are taken seriously and not the later tradition.
AbrahamicMovement 2 months ago
"His plurality is as real as His unity; yet He has no plurality, because of His perfect unity. Here is the mystery. Reason, cease thy clamours. I seek not a 'consistent' creed. The mystery is attained. I would be a Tritheist, if I were not a Sabellian. I would be a Sabellian, if I were not Tritheist. I am neither: I am both. With me, as with St. Paul, there is but one God, the Father. And with me there is another God, the Son; who yet is not another. 1 and 1 do not make 2 in God's nature." !!!!
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
Jesus was certainly never an angel and definitely not the Angel of the Lord of the OT. Heb. 1:2 says that God did NOT speak in a SON in OT times. God brought His Son into existence, begat him, by miracle in Mary, and Lk 1:35 explains this very simply. Lk 1:35 is refreshingly uncomplicated, compared to the appalling disputes and arguments which are typical of post-biblical times. Jesus denied that he WAS God. The "Deity of Jesus" is impossible because there cannot be two who are GOD. Mk. 12:29.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
A very simple and logical step for would-be followers of Jesus is to adopt with complete conviction Jesus' own creed. This is found in Mark 12:29 where Jesus agreed with a Jew about how to define the only true God. He is ONE LORD, not two or three. Jesus called on God as "my God" and that shows that Jesus cannot also BE God! There cannot be two equal Gods: that is polytheism. But churches hide under a curious notion that God is one TRIUNE Essence. But the God of the BIble is one Person.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
The great central and only creed of Jews is and was the belief that God is a single Person,
That one God of Israel revealed Himself as a Personal Father, certainly not as an Essence or a "WHAT,'' as is claimed by leading Trinitarian exponents. You will search long and hard in the Bible and never find a God who is a tripersonal ESSENCE. Jesus is the unique Son of God, He had no human father. God brought him into existence (=begat him) in the womb of Mary. Luke 1:35 is the definitive statement.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
II Corinthians 11:31 demonstrates that Jesus cannot BE GOD. The Father is God in this verse as in 1300 hundred verses in the NT. Not only is the Father GOD, HE is also "the GOD and FATHER of the Lord Jesus." God is not the God of GOD!
Think about this, and receive a moment of illumination, that the GOD of the Bible is the one and only personal God of Israel and of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the GOD of the Lord Jesus the Messiah. The MESSIAH LORD was born (Lk. 2:11) and he died.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
With perfect precision Paul distinguishes between God, who is the Father, and Jesus who is the Messiah (Christ), Thus he habitually writes "GOD, the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ." God-FATHER" is precisely distinguished as the ONE GOD from "our Lord Messiah Jesus." Jesus is the "my lord" and thus "our lord" of Ps. 110:1, where the ONE GOD, Yahweh, addresses in a prophecy, one who is NOT GOD but 'my lord' (ADONI). Adoni, my lord, is never a title of DEITY. There is only ONE LORD GOD, not two!
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
Think about this: If Jesus HAS a GOD, Jesus cannot BE GOD!. Both while he was with us and even now when Jesus is exalted at the right hand of the Father, Jesus still HAS A GOD! Therefore he cannot BE GOD! Jesus addressed the Father as "MY GOD." He speaks of "MY GOD" even now. Thus it is impossible that Jesus is himself GOD. He is the unique Son of God as defined with simplicity in Luke 1:35. Rev. 3:2 and 12:4 prove that Jesus still HAS A GOD. This will make you rethink your view of GOD.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
The Bible provides us with a very easy definition of the who Jesus is as the Son of God: "The Son of God came into existence as a lineal descendant of David."
This is the information given by Paul in Rom. 1:2. This is exactly in harmony with the words of Gabriel to Mary in Luke 1:35. The Son of God is caused to come into existence (= begotten) by a miracle performed in Mary. There is no such person in the Bible as GOD, the Son! Jesus is the unique Son of God on the basis of these passages.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
"I am the Lord God" ought to tell us that God is one Person. HE, not they, is a single Person. We have all surely learned to recognize a single Person by singular personal pronouns! Why is this difficult? The crippling power of tradition has deafened us to the simplest of truths. "The LORD our GOD is ONE LORD." If you want the healthgiving mind of Jesus, those are his lucidly simple words. The Son of God cannot BE GOD! God cannot be born and cannot die.
Nor does God have a God. Jesus had a God.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
Jesus' first command to us all was and still is "Change your mind and believe the Gospel of the Kingdom of God" (Mk. 1:14, 15). Faith begins there. For Kingdom of God consult Dan 7:14, 18, 22, 27, then Lk 21:31, Isa. 2.
The Christian creed ie the central belief in God, defined by Jesus in Mk. 12:29.
Jesus was not a Trinitarian. He inisisted that only his Father is true God (Jn. 17:3).
Jesus still has a God. He referred to Him as "my God." Therefore Jesus cannot be God. God has no God!
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
If Jesus IS God, then he is immortal, and that means he cannot die! But Paul said that "the Son of God died." Again, an immortal GOD-Jesus cannot die. The doctrine of the immortal soul is Platonic and pagan. It has infected popular Christianity with disastrous effects. When we die, we are dead, not alive! The only way out of death, in the Bible, is via the future resurrection. This will happen when Jesus comes back and that is AFTER the Great Tribulation, not before. "Pretribism" is wrong.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
An amazing paradox confronts the honest seeker for truth: that the Church which loudly claims his name and authority has deliberately chosen NOT to accept and believe his creed! Jesus did not believe in the Trinity (see my book: Jesus was not a Trinitarian). His creed was Jewish and unitarian. He claimed to be the unique SON of God, certainly not God. Jesus said that believing his creed was the most important consideration in true faith (see Mk. 12:29). Revival means a return to Jesus' GOD.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
A singular personal pronoun in Hebrew, Greek and English designates a single person. Thousands of these singular personal pronouns define God as a Single Person, in the Bible. Jesus echoed this easy truth by affirming "The LORD our GOD is ONE LORD." The scribe agreed by saying that LORD is HE! This is One Person, not three! It would be wise for us all to heed the words of the Son of God who declared that God is a single Person, one LORD and one FATHER.
Malachi 2:10 is enough to confirm this.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
If you say "Jesus is GOD," and you certainly believe that the Father is GOD, you commit yourself to belief in TWO who are GOD and thus in two GODS. This is not the creed of the BIble, not the creed of Jesus given in Mk. 12:29. GOD is ONE LORD. (Certainly not one ESSENCE!). It is a form of intellectual suicide to say "this Person is God and that Person is also God, and that makes ONE GOD!" That belief will not work and should be abandoned in favor of the creed of Jesus, whom you say you accept!
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
Anyone who speaks of the DEITY OF JESUS commits himself to belief in TWO who are GOD! This is not the monotheism of Jesus who said, "the LORD our GOD is ONE LORD" (Mark 12:29). One Lord is not two Lords! There can only be one YHVH, ie ONE GOD and since the Father is the one GOD thousands of times in the Bible, Jesus cannot also be the One God. Jesus is the SON of God and the explicit basis for him being SON is given us in Luke 1:35. He is Son because GOD became his Father by miracle in Mary.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
If you claim to believe that "Jesus is God" you are caught in an unfortuntate failure to be a true monotheist. I Jn. 5:21 warns against false concepts of God. It is risky to say "the Father is God and Jesus is also God," and that makes ONE GOD!. Tell that to the judge and see what He might say! Jesus insisted on the unitary monotheism of his heritage: "The Lord our God is one Lord." (Mk 12:29) :"Do we not all have one Father, has not one God created us?" (Malachi 2:10. The Father alone is GOD.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
Verses which speak of the Father, Son and holy spirit, in the NT say nothing at all about these three making up one GOD!. Paul spoke of the "the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the holy spirit." But only one of these is GOD. 1300 times the word GOD in the NT means the Father. Paul defined the word GOD when he said "There is one GOD, the Father." This creed is also the creed of Jesus in Mk 12:29. God is never called an ESSENCE in the Bible, always a Person.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
"Those who have studied the Hebrew Bible know that symbols, metaphors and
images are the dialect of the historians, poets, and theologians of ancient Israel. God is described in terms of everyday creation reality, not in philosophical abstractions." (Paul Sumner). This is precisely right, and that is why it mistaken to try to explain God as one BEING, Essence, in three Persons.
That is the abstract language of philosophy.The God of the Bible is ONE PERSON, the Father of Jesus (Lk 1:35).
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
Christianity went off track from the second century. Greek philosophical speculation eventually turned the Son of God into a non-human Person who preexisted (how do you preexist yourself?!). That new, invented Son was thus older than his mother, older than David and as old as GOD himself! If this model of Jesus shocks you, try something easy. Luke 1:35 defines the Son of God as a real human being, beginning to exist in his mother's womb. This explains how, when and why Jesus was the Son of God.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
"The apostolic writers do not speak of the One God as self-differentiated into three, nor do they appeal to the various passages from the OT to which recourse would be had later, once the doctrine of the Trinity begins to be established, ie Gen. 1:26."
(Nicene Faith, John Behr, p. 5). Indeed the Apostles knew nothing of a Triune God. They agreed with Jesus that the Father is the "only one who is true God (Jn. 17:3). In John 17:5 Jesus asked to receive the glory promised to him by the Father.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
"Some people say that God's a WHAT. But that's exactly what HE's NOT! The Bible calls our God a HE, an I, or THEE, or ME, you see"! The fearful complexities of a "ONE in THREE" God need to be replaced by the much easier words of Malachi 2:10, "We all have one Father? ONE GOD has created us?"
The word GOD refers in the NT 1300 times to the Father of Jesus. Jesus is the unique SON of GOD as easily explained by Luke 1:35. Try I Tim 2:5, "There is one God and one mediator...the MAN Messiah Jesus."
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
An amazing misunderstanding occurs when some read the Bible. They hear over and over and over that God is "I" "Me "Thou "He". Under every other circumstance they have no difficulty with this. But when it comes to God, they seem fixated on the idea that "I" means "We" (Three). The God of the Bible and of Jesus is one Person, never Three. The Triune God arose from pagan influence in post-bilblical times. God for Jesus is "one Lord." See Jesus' creed in Mk. 12:29. For "Son of God," Lk 1:35.
AbrahamicMovement 3 months ago
"Who can forgive sins? Only one PERSON, God." (Mark 2:7, Wuest trans. of NT). God is described as one Person thousands and thousands of times in the Bible. Malachi 2:10 is typical:
"Do we not all have ONE FATHER, has one ONE GOD created us?" Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and he is SON because of the miracle in Mary (Luke 1:35).
Jesus is what God's word, wisdom became (John 1:14). There is no "GOD the Son" in Scripture. "The Lord our God is one Lord," Jesus said, not two or three Lords!
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Salvation means gaining immortality and reigning with Jesus in the future Kingdom of God on earth (Rv. 5:10; 3:21; 2:26; I Cr. 6:2; Mt. 5:5). The Bible says nothing about "going to heaven" when you die. It promises inheritance of the land/earth when Jesus returns to inauguarate his Kingdom on earth with headquarters in Jerusalem (Jer. 3:15-18: 23:5,6). When Jesus comes he will resurrect the faithful dead of all the ages. WIth the living saints they will meet Jesus and accompany him to the earth.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Getting saved is achieved by obeying Jesus (see Heb. 5:9). Start by obeying Jesus' first command given in Mark 1:14, 15. We are commanded to "repent and believe the Gospel about the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom is firstly the Kingdom of God which will come when Jesus comes back. It will the Messianic reign and rule of Jesus on a renewed earth. Believe also that Jesus died and rose. Believe first in the Kingdom as Jesus commands in Mark 1:14, 15. Most churches do not tell you about the Kingdom!
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
To understand John 1, turn first to I JOHN 1. That is John's own commentary on John 1:1-3. It was "the WORD of eternal life WHICH was WITH the Father." It was not "the SON of God WHO," but "the Word of lfe WHICH..." The word was IT, not HIM. The word was the PROMISE of eternal life (2:25). It was later manifested when the Messiah Jesus the Son was brought into existence, born (Jn. 1:14). Many read John 1:1 as the SON, but there was no SON until v.14. Jesus is not a second GOD with the Father!
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
The Bible says that God is ONE, but never mentions "GOD the SON."
It often calls the Father GOD, but "GOD the SON"-- not once-- that's odd!
Think about it, and obey the creed of the Son, Jesus: "The Lord our GOD is one Lord" (not two or three Lords) (Mark 12:29). "There is ONE GOD, the Father" (I Cor. 8:4-6. There is one God and one Mediator between God and man, the MAN Messiah Jesus (I Tim. 2:5). What a relief! Jesus is the Lord Messiah (Luke 2:11; Ps. 110:1) He is not GOD, making two GODS!
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
If Jesus is the Messiah (I believe he is) he spoke the truth. God raised him from the dead, so God obviously approved him. Yes, a rebuilt temple or sanctuary is needed to fulfil the prophecy. A middle-eastern ruler, the King of the North of Daniel is expected. A false covenant will deceive many and for the last half of the seventieth "seven" there will be a Gt Trib. for all those who do not escape or are protected. Jesus will return after that time of Gt Tribulation, not before (Mt. 24:29).
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Christians should be dedicated to following and obeying Jesus. But are they doing this when they disregard what Jesus called the most important of all commands that we are to "Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is one LORD." This is Mk. 12:29.
Jesus agreed with a Jewish scribe about this cardinal command. Christians appear to disobey Jesus here, since they believe in a TRIUNE God, not recognized by Jesus. This should be a matter of grave concern. Salvation comes to those who obey Jesus (Heb. 5:9).
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Dr. James White in his book on the Trinity struggles, as he says, with language.
In great detail (pp. 24ff.) he tells us that God is "one WHAT" and "three Who's."
He says that we must never muddle the WHAT and the WHO's. He gives no Bible verse to support his notion that God is a WHAT. In Scripture God is never a WHAT, always a WHO, He, Him, etc. God is a WHO thousands of times in both Testaments. This shows that the language of the Trinity has departed from the Bible. God is never a Triune God.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
The notion of "once saved always saved" is dangerously wrong. It is contradicted flat by Jesus, who warned in Luke 8:13 that "some believe for a while." But then "they fall away," and thus do not endure to the end. Paul said the same thing exactly in Rom. 11:22. He there spoke of God's "kindness to you [Christians], IF you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off." If it were impossible for them to lose out on salvation, Paul could never have written such a clear warning!
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
The question of the begetting = coming into existence of the Son of God is the ultimate storm center of all theological debate! Inform yourself about what the Bible says about the begetting of Jesus and you will be wise! Mt. 1:20 says that the baby "begotten" in her is from holy spirit, a direct creation of his Father who is God.
Lk 1:35 speaks of the baby about to be begotten. "He will be holy and the Son of God." This was easy until church fathers pushed the origin of the Son back in time.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Many Christians have rightly protested against the unintelligible idea that Jesus was "eternally generated." I John 5:18 says that he was begotten as a single past event. "The one who was begotten from God protects [the Christian]." This begetting, coming into existence of the Son was an event in past time and Luke 1:35 and Matt. 1:20 (begotten in Mary) tell us when. So Jn. 1:1 speaks of the word, not yet the Son, as eternal. The Son came into existence in Jn 1:14, and it was a miracle in Mary.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Jesus gave a distinct sign for the end of the age. "When you see the Abomination of Desolation standing where HE ought not to." This is Mk. 13:14. See the RV and other translations for HE. The A of D is a personal ANTICHRIST figure.
This will be the sign of the onset of the Gt Tribulation. Immediately after that Great Triubation (cp Dn 12:2; Mt. 24:29) Jesus will return. There is no PRE-Trib rapture in the Bible. Christians will meet the Lord as he comes down, and escort him to the earth.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
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parasiticlord 4 months ago
"Do we not all have ONE Father. Has not ONE GOD created us?" This simple summary of who the ONE God (Malachi 2:10) is, would unite the world religions now divided. Christianity abandoned its own founder's definition of God that "the LORD our GOD is one LORD" (Mk. 12:29). God is not Two Persons or Three, but only One, the Father of Jesus. Jesus the Messiah was brought into existence, begotten in Mary, as Luke 1:35 explains. I Tim. 2:5, if believed, would settle these controversial issues.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
In the teaching of Jesus relative to the monotheism of the OT and Judaism, there had been no element of change whatsoever. Mk 12:29ff. recorded the confirmation by Jesus himself, without any reservation, of the supreme monotheistic confession of faith of Israelite religion in its complete form. The means by which the Church tried to show its agreement of the dogma of the Deity of both Father and Son with monotheism, remained seriously uncertain and contradictory" (Dr. Werner, p. 241).
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
“The Church found itself in a dilemma as soon as it tried to harmonize the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus and the Deity of the Father with monotheism. For according to the NT witnesses, in the teaching of Jesus relative to the monotheism of the OT and Judaism, there had been no element of change whatsoever. Mk. 12:29 recorded the confirmation byJesus himself, without any reservation, of the supreme monotheistic confession of faith of the Israelite religion in its complete form. (Dr. Werner, 241)
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Dr. James Dunn is a top scholar whose career has been devoted to defining the relationship between God and His Son. He concludes, in his latest book, a study of the question as to whether the early Christians worshiped Jesus: "Jesus is not YHVH, not the God of Israel." This is a breakthrough. If one says "Jesus is YHVH" and since the Father is YHVH, one is confessing two YHVHs. This breaks the creed of Jesus and the BIble that "the LORD our GOD is one LORD" (Mark 12:29).
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
There is only one YHVH! (nothing to do with Jack!). Once you say "Jesus is YHVH" you are committed to two YHVH's, since we all know that the Father is YHVH. From the 200's AD, on voices rose in protest against the churches promotion of two who are YHVH. This remains THE problem. Jews reject the church and so do Moslems, and rightly, because they hear "two YHVHs,"
God is not a WHAT. He is always a single WHO, A HE.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
There are YHVH texts in the OT which are applied to Jesus in the New. That is because Jesus functions for God, as a perfect agent. Jesus does YHVH things. This does not mean he IS YHVH! Phil. 2 speaks of the man "Messiah Jesus" not a preexisting GOD the Son. Heb. 1:10 is explained by its context in 2:5. It is about the world to come, not Genesis. Ps. 102 is quoted from the LXX which differs from the Hebrew Bible. The Psalm is about the future Kingdom and Jesus is very much involved with that.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Sometimes it is said that non-Trinitarians "assume" unitarianism. This is true. I also assume that my wife is one person and that King David is one person! Singular personal pronouns define the One God thousands of times in Scripture. This ought to convince everyone that God is not three Persons! Dr. White says that "God is one WHAT." Then should we call Him an "It"? Dr. White immediately calls God "He," and so he contradicts his definition of God as "one WHAT." God is a single LORD.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Dr.James White in his interesting book The Forgotten Trinity explains that Trinitarians must speak of God as one WHAT, while the Three Persons are three WHOs (26-28). The Who's and the What's must never be confused, he says. But on p.132 he identifies Jesus as Yahweh (ie one of the WHOs) and then defines the Triune God (all three together) as also Yahweh. He also says that the Father is Yahweh, another of the WHOs. This means that he is confusing the WHAT with the WHO's. This is contradictory.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
The distinction between "being called" and who one "is" will not work in Luke 1:35. Otherwise the truth of Jesus, the Son's origin is lost. Because of and based on the miracle in Mary Jesus will be called, i.e. will be the Son of God. To be called is not different from actually being. Just compare Lk 6:35 and Matt. 5:9 to see that being called Son means that is what you are! Jesus is defined as Son of God for one original reason and no other. The miracle in Mary makes him Son of God.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Once the Son of God appeared in John 1:14, he is of course a person! But until the word (not yet the SON) became a person, it was the word of God, God's personal self-expression. What "preexisted" was the word not an invented God the Son. This is not so hard, but one must stop to think about it. We all know that once the Son was brought into existence, then of course the word was a person as in Rev. 19.
We all know that. But read Jn. 1:1: No SON of God there, yet.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Dr. White has kindly responded on radio to my simple point about Yahweh in his book The Forgotten Trinity. I pointed out that on pp. 26-28 Dr. White explains that Trinitarians must insist on not mixing or muddling the "WHAT" (Being) of God and the WHO's (the three Persons). But on p. 132 he uses the same word YHVH to define both the Triune WHAT of God and the three Persons, the WHOs. He is thus equivocating on the word YHVH and making it mean both the WHAT and the WHO's. This is a contradiction.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Some have difficulty in thinking afresh! In Jn 1:1 the "word" is the word of the One God, until IT becomes the person Jesus Christ the SON in v. 14! Why is this difficult? John 1:1 does not say "in the beginning was the SON." It says "word."
Are you unaware of all the translations in English from Greek before the KJV which agree with my point? Go to our site and look up the 40 more translations which agree.
The Son appears for the first time in Jn 1:14. He is fully expressive of God.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago
Is Jesus YAHWEH, or is he the unique representative of Yahweh? Many proclaim that Jesus IS Yahweh. But that would mean that there are TWO Yahwehs. This however destroys the first command and Jesus' own creed that "the LORD our God is ONE Yahweh" (Mk. 12:29). If the Father and Jesus, the Son are both YHVH, that would make two YHVHs. Count how many the true God is: One Yahweh, the Father of Jesus. Jesus is the unique Son of God, and the explicit basis for this is found in Luke 1:35.
AbrahamicMovement 4 months ago