@Broadcaster17 i dont dream of them,m with hot girls all d time and u muslims treat women like shit,i like free,independent women not enslaved mutilated bitches,she may be a hot chick but dat burqa shows her enslaved mentality
I belive that things evolved but i believe there was an Intelligant designer that made them evolve. Think about it athiests say "religion makes no scence" when they belive that "the big bang created everything". What caused he big bang? It makes scence that God/Allah/Jehova created it and forced it to explode then gathering the energy forming things
Here's another one that will bug the ever-loving shit out of atheistic Darwinists: Explain how the first life form (i.e., cell) managed to form entirely at random from lifeless materials, and AT THE SAME TIME have the ability to reproduce itself (it had to have BOTH properties).
Uh, oh! Now I'm REALLY in for it!! He's going tell me to read a WHOLE LIBRARY now!! Damn! I just HAVE to stop asking questions and accept Darwinism blindly, like a good little know-nothing!
@Weasler455 first and foremost there are primitive, singular cell organisms like plasmid bacteria. Those can be made from abiotic materials come together. They are at a brink of actually replicating this event in labs!
@Wiilovewii HUH???? No WAY! ALL they have produced in labs is a few SIMPLE organic compounds. THAT'S IT. Nothing even CLOSE to complex proteins, and DEFINITELY not DNA. BTW, they have been trying to design life in the lab for over 80 years. And how would designing life in the lab prove that life formed at random? If anything, it would prove that it was formed BY DESIGN!
@Weasler455 and for the record, you have been dodging my ultimate question about how the possibility of god's existence leading to religion! And how god can be known besides dogma ie: blind faith?! Show me scientific evidence god is there. You are claiming god is there, you have the burden of proof, not me! I don't claim anything that cannot be observed. Evolution is observed. Look at how natural selection works. It is there, in your own backyard even with weeds and other plants etc.
@Wiilovewii I can't give you scientific evidence that God is there any more than you can give it to me that he is not. I can only give implications based on nature and the universe. If there is no God, then everything we see, hear, feel, and know (including this very conversation) is ultimately based on randomness, and that just doesn't make sense.
BTW, all I've talked about are topics in biology. I have not even TOUCHED upon the arguments in physics or chemistry.
@Weasler455 so it is your interpretation and your gut feeling. Until you find scientific evidence god is there, then do not pretend you are a scientific person. You just go by 'I feel universe can't create itself'...well too bad, it has a great potential to have been created by itself. And if you say that it is illogical for universe to do that, how then do you explain where god came from? Is he eternal? Then how? It doesn't equally make sense (with your logic) that god was not created!
@Wiilovewii It's not gut feeling - simply logic. Please list for me all the things that "create themselves". Do computers create themselves out of nothing? No. Do rocks? No. Air? Water? Animals? People? Cells? No.
But the ultimate creation - the entire universe - does that create itself? In your mind, yes. Now how is that nothing else but that happens to appear out of nothing? If I left a jar of "nothing" on a shelf, how long would I have to wait for a universe to be created inside it?
@Wiilovewii Obviously, we are talking about an intelligence well beyond our imaginations. Look at it this way: Imagine a bird in a cage. Does the bird know that cage is containing it? I think so. Does the bird perceive a world outside the cage? I also think so. Does the bird know the cage was made by Hartz Mountain who made $X Billion last year? Of course not, yet that also is a fact. But it's mind cannot comprehend that. Same with man. Are you prepared to say man knows all there is to know?
@Weasler455 in my previous post I said it was last but I will have to break that word again! Sigh!
Anyways, your logic is again flawed mate. You are aware that the bird can see the cage, see the world outside (we can see neither of these things relating to after life etc). And do you not realise the maker of that cage does not claim to torture this bird after he does right? So, I come back to my point. Even if there is a creator, what is the consequence of this creator for us? Surely, there..
@Weasler455 surely, there were no relation between the bird and the creator of the cage now was there? THERE IS NO PERSONAL GOD WHICH EXISTS THE WAY ANY OF THE RELIGIONS, CULTS, BELIEF SYSTEMS EXPLAIN EVEN IF THERE IS A CREATOR GOD!
But let me make it easy for you. Go out and buy a parakeet, and read to it Hartz Mountain's annual report. If you can get the bird to tell you how much stock to buy in Hartz Mountain, you will convince me that no God exists.
@Weasler455 I can maybe teach it to imitate my voice and actually read out the thing. But that is still irrelevant. Hartz Mountain's does not care about that bird at all. They don't interfere with its life, don't feed it and don't certain expect it to pray or worship them. So, even if there is Hartz Mountain of this universe where is the proof he/she/it cares?
@Wiilovewii WHAT are you DOING here?? You told me "Goodbye" TWICE already!!! You need to go out and do better things with the precious imaginary "life" that you have! You're running out of TIME, atheist!!! Boy, are you DELUSIONAL!
Again, you TOTALLY miss my point regarding the bird cage analogy. So your damn chemical reactions, which give you the delusion that you actually 'think and feel', are not even working correctly! Bummer, man! Now your whole short meaningless life is even worse.
@Weasler455 you do not give me a chance to leave for I am in front of my computer and you keep making stupid accusations about my life like I have no meaning whatever. Well, whatever makes you sleep at night really. If you want to believe my life is a waste, then go ahead. Rather than spending 300+ words how I didn't understand your analogy, couldn't you just explain it then? Pathetic much?!
@Wiilovewii I DON"T give you a CHANCE to leave???? You are all the way over on the OTHER SIDE OF the world, "mate"!!! And I am keeping YOU online? Once again, YOU have the nerve to imply that I am delusional?
What I mean by the Hartz Mountain analogy is this: Just as there are facts that exist in this universe well beyond what less involved birds can never comprehend, I can easily accept that there are also facts that exist that us slightly more evolved humans cannot comprehend. Get it now?
@Weasler455 I say you aren't giving me chance because you are addressing me and I am online at this moment in time, not for you!
Onto the poor analogy again, I have never ever claimed that there can never been a reality beyond us. We just have no reason to believe so for there is so little to no consequence for us. What is the benefit of believing such thing? Why should I just spend my life following a 'maybe'? Where do you get your info about god or this reality that you do not know? And..
@Wiilovewii HERE'S YOU CHANCE!!! I'm giving to you NOW! I release you from your machine!!! Go away already, will you? Leave me to my God delusion, and I will leave you to your 'thoughts and feelings' delusion!
Why spend your life following a 'maybe'? You're doing that RIGHT NOW! Ever hear the way Darwinists and atheists explain things? They constantly use words like "maybe", "possibly", "could have", etc. NEVER any absolutes. So your life is already based on a "maybe".
@Weasler455 ...if you are like that bird how could you even care about something you cannot understand? Even if that something existing, how would I ever know it? This leaves us with nothing less than a paradox. For you are saying that we can never understand or comprehend god, then how do you know such thing exists. For everything beyond our understanding is a mere speculation?
@Wiilovewii It does not matter whether the bird "cares" about it. The point is, IT EXISTS! Are you telling me the Hartz Mountain company uis just a delusion?
The bird can NEVER understand or comprehend Hartz Mountain, but it DOES exist. The same thing is true with the Creator, I believe.
But again, this is now getting ridiculous. You told me you gave up on poor dumb me a long time ago!
@Weasler455 I told you 50 million times, god may exist. Even Richard Dawkins fully disregard it, but he/she/it has no relevance to us and our daily lives, so no reason to for us to speculate about it/he/she.
But since you are such a firm believer, can you tell me what kind of god do you believe in and why? And through what do you know him/her/it? Because clearly looking at nature and seeing god is there not enough to know or worship it.
@Wiilovewii This is REALLY getting absurd now!!! You told me "Goodbye" many posts ago!!!
Now you are backpedaling. You still say God has no relevance, but are not denying His existence. I guess that's progress.
So you look at nature and see that God is there not enough to know or worship. Let me ask you something: If there is no chance that a God created the universe and life, EXACTLY HOW DID THEY BOTH FORM BY CHANCE? And DO NOT
tell me to "read a book". Tell me in your OWN WORDS.
@Weasler455 you didn't answer my question so I won't yours until your reply to my last post, properly. I don't believe in god, I say there may be a god. I am not sure because there is no enough proof. I can confidently answer the question you posed, but you didn't answer my question.
@Wiilovewii I don't even know what "question" you are referring to, but it does no matter. You are simply trying to avoid my question, as you have been doing for days now. Why don't you just leave me like you said you would about three times and 20 posts ago?
@Weasler455 yeh like you don't avoid my questions!
"But since you are such a firm believer, can you tell me what kind of god do you believe in and why? And through what do you know him/her/it?" That was the question. Up to you to answer it here, in your head or not at all. Well, I didn't stop because I thought you were open for discussion. Little I realised you were just trying to preach. I will leave you alone to spare you from further squealing! Have a nice day sir, and peace!
@Wiilovewii Preach WHAT???? My religion? What are you TALKING about?? First you accuse me of not answering your questions about the nature of God, but THEN you accuse me of "preaching". Which IS it??? You contradict yourself!
I already answered this. I think that God is well, well, well beyond our imaginations. We get a glimpse of God through the Bible and the Koran (I think both speak truths), not always in a literal sense, but at least metaphorically.
@Wiilovewii Look at it this way: Explaining the full nature of God to humans is like explaining Hartz Mountain's annual report to your pet bird. THAT is what what I meant by my analogy.
@Weasler455 you didn't answer any of my questions. Including how do you get from A. God created the universe, to B. Thus religion, particularly Christianity, is the right religion?!
@Wiilovewii STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. DId I mention Christianity AT ALL? The questions I'm posing go beyond any single religion, and actually apply to all.
@Weasler455 and simply all of the religions are wrong and flawed, thus again the possibility of the existence of god does not justify any religion at all. There is no reason for it.
@Wiilovewii Well, that's your opinion. I happen to think your wrong, and you strike me as a rather angry person who has a bug up his ass about something. But if you want to believe in nothing, then be my guest.
@Weasler455 and I asked you what specific details aren't you sure about cambrian explosion and you dodged that question as well. You are stuck at how could there be so many diversity at that point, then there is little known. But I would really like to know what ID has to say about that, besides god did it. How did he did it, if he did so?
@Wiilovewii and I also answered about how can a cell can come about. It is abiogenesis. The life form was so very simple back then, we wouldn't have any traces of that left for today (again, more support for evolution). For DNA to copy itself it only needs as little as 6 nucleotides so, that wouldn't be so hard to form! If your issue is about amino acids and all. Well, those chemical products even form in space. They are just chemical compostions, again not hard to be made.
@Wiilovewii Who said anything about leaving questions aside? Not at all! In fact, I think it is Darwinists who actually like to leave questions aside, especially when they are tough!
@Wiilovewii Actually, I cannot understand why the Darwinists get into such lunatic tirades the moment anyone even HINTS at God. The truth is the truth, and that is ALL we seek. It makes no sense to insist that there is no Creator if the evidence shows that life and the universe could not possibly have been formed from nothingness, by itself, or totally at random, and that indeed is what the evidence is showing. Nature and the universe is simply far too complex to have formed simply by chance.
@Weasler455 because there is no benefit to science AT ALL hinting to god. Tell me one use can believing a hypothetical invisible man bring to science! There is none. You are using god as a filler because frankly you don't want to think otherwise. I was a believer for all my life until 3 months ago. As soon as I looked the other way, I saw hundereds of holes in the hypothesis of god the way at least we are presented. I believe there still is a possibility of god, but it's existence is irrelevant.
@Wiilovewii Well, then, if God IS a truth, and there is no benefit to science AT ALL in hinting to Go as you say, then what good is science? Because science alone has sure not explained Creation. All you get from Darwinists and atheists are vague explanations peppered with qualifiiers like "could be", "may be", "quite possibly", and so forth, as well as conniptions, tirades, and name-calling the moment anyone suggests that their explanations are weak. Once again, that's not science.
@Weasler455 and saying god is the explanation is science? I am lost in your logic. The only reason why science is not sure of anything because it works off evidence. So, if we don't have enough evidence for something then we cannot be 100% sure. But saying that everything is created by god is a dead end. What does one gain by saying the world started by god? Absolutely nothing!
@Wiilovewii BTW, I thought you "gave up on me" about 6 posts ago. Why do you care so much about what I say? You shouldn't be wasting your precious Godless time with me. In fact, why should an atheist care about ANYTHING? It's all just a lot of chemical reactions - nothing more. That also is another thing that amazes me about so-called atheists. A true atheist should not give a wit about ANYTHING.
@Weasler455 Okay, well, I did give up on you but since you kept replying I didn't want to look as if I gave up just because I cannot carry out a discussion. I am sick of your simple arguments though such as 'why atheists care about anything?!'...wow you really got me there..or not! The flaw in the so called logic of that argument is so grand that I do not even want to reply. What my feelings are doesn't matter, be it chemical reactions, be it soul or whatever. What I, as a person, make of them..
@Wiilovewii Who gives a damn WHAT you make of your 'feelings'? They mean NOTHING!!! You have no 'soul', according to you. You are nothing more than a collection of chemicals and chemical reactions, and I say, your chemical reactions (if the word "your" makes sense to begin with) are NOTHING, and we could not care a WIT about them.
See what I mean? This is how atheism leads to repression and mass murder (ala Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot), far worse than any crusade or inquisition.
@Weasler455 ...matters more. So, I do give a damn about anything because I like life, myself, the world, the universe and believe it or not they all can have a meaning without being a slave to some invisible man in the sky somewhere. I make my own meaning, free from the shackles that are forced upon my very short but very precious life. So, rather than making my short stay a hell, I would very much like it to be as meaningful to me as possible. This is my reasoning, of course there would...
@Wiilovewii Well, I don't know why you SHOULD give a damn about anything, because your life means NOTHING. It is just a pile of chemicals. How could there be any "meaning"? THAT MAKES NO SENSE. A meaningless, random universe cannot create "meaning". There is no purpose. And your damn life is NOT "precious". It is just a bunch of chemicals that have no more meaning that the shit you just left in your meaningless toilet.
@Weasler455 ...be other humans have different parameters and meanings for their lives. Even so called believers in god also determine these parameters for all of those doctrines are man made. You just choose to follow what the others have decided what is best for you. I simply choose for myself with the consideration of others as well. Humans have innate moralities. I don't need religion in my life really. I am good enough to decide on my own...
@Wiilovewii Humans have "innate moralities"??? How so??? Based on WHAT? Coming from WHAT?? Once again, it's just meaningless, random chemical reactions! ALL OF IT!!!! Your desires mean nothing. Your thoughts mean nothing. Your feelings mean nothing. Your affections mean nothing, as well as the affections of others toward you. You call ME delusional for being a believer? HA!!!! Look at YOURSELF!!! You're more deluded than anything in the world, pal!
@Weasler455 well it is simply based on myself! I am an atheist that has morals, feelings, attachments, love, desires...none of them random or meaningless. It doesn't matter they may all be sourced through chemistry, biochemistry, genetics or memory. They all feel real to me, they all mean something to me. That's all that matters. Do you think your emotions and everything you described aren't bunch of chemical reactions but it is exclusive to atheists?! Lol.
@Wiilovewii You don't have ANY morals, feelings, attachments, love or desires! That's my POINT!! You only THINK you do!!! And your "thinking" is not REAL to begin with!!! I don't care how REAL they are to you - they are NOT!!!! So WHO are YOU to call me DELUSIONAL? You think all these thoughts and feelings are real, and they ARE NOT!!!! Face it, pal!
@Weasler455 This time, I am leaving this bloody long and absolutely fruitless discussion for good. You, obviously made your mind up about everything, will not listen to reason. For you, the explanation 'god did it' and 'I need an authority like god to tell me what to do' are enough. It keeps you from thinking for yourself which would require great effort. But for me, and many others, those explanations are not enough. Thus, we realise there is much more to the meaning of life than myths! Peace
@Wiilovewii In all the ID materials I have read and seen, I have never seen anyone say "God did it". That is the implication, yes, but it is not explicitly stated.
@Weasler455 again refer my above comments. I explained this. Nobody claims a complex cell with modern DNA today formed at the beginning. It just didn't have to survive and replicate! Viruses are good sort of indicator how life can border along no life and life. Perhaps initial life was just chemistry, eventually led to biochemistry. Though WE DO NOT KNOW! And that doesn't mean we ever WON'T KNOW! We just don't fill the gaps with god!
@smnSahin That's it! Have "faith" in your non-faith! You've been trying for years to prove that 'nothing begat everything' with no success, one day you may be proved right! That's the spirit! (Oops! Atheists HAVE no spirit!).
@Weasler455 So your telling me that you don't have 'faith' in science despite everything you see around you today? Why does everything with you religious types boil down to 'faith', maybe because your beliefs lack credibility? Use your brain! (Oh wait, you HAVE no brain!..)
Thank you friend, for pointing out the flaws in atheism.
Atheists and scientists believe the universe came from "nothing" for no reason, and that suns and galaxies were made for no reason, and magically we were made "poof"! Be careful of the scientists, they keep inventing theories that do not invoke God. Things like tectonic plates, air pressure, electrical charges are used now to explain earthquakes, hurricanes etc without mentioning God's wrath.
@eritasevoli I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. If you aren't, I can only tell you I do not subscribe to that "God's wrath" viewpoint. If you are being sarcastic, and are trying to invoke yet another put down, I'm eager for you to dazzle me with the materialistic explanation of how nothing begat everything, with all the incredible order that we find exists in the universe.
"I'm eager for you to dazzle me with the materialistic explanation of how nothing begat everything"
Shouldn't it be obvious there is no materialistic explanation at all other than the manmade theories that don't invoke God? If you want to subscribe that "everything came from nothing" go ahead, but you are playing very dangerously with your fate.
Atheism: universe came from nothing, atoms made for no reason, stars made for no reason, man evolved from rocks.
Did you know that atheists use Darwinian evolution to explain everything in their atheistic worldview? For example originally they used Darwin's theory to explain the origin of species (diversity of life), then they expanded it to the origin of life, then they apply it to the universe (evolution of galaxies etc). The problem is that atheists can't be objective at all, science indicates that God exists, that it is ONE God who is omnipresent, omnipotent and onmiscient.
@eritasevoli Poor you. There is absolutely nothing in SCIENCE, indicating that there is a god, especially one god, and especially one specific god (christian, muslim etc..). These religious nuts here are saying Darwin killed 350 million people...I find it so funny that there are people in uneducated regions in the world, who actually believe this nonsense.... Think how many are killed by religion, multiply the number with zero and then you find out how many have been killed by Darwin.
@Weasler455 It seems that whenever you lack a decent retort you resort to personal attacks and gross generalisations about people you don't even know! Quite sad really, is this the best your religious morals can do?
@smnSahin Personal attacks? You mean like the ones you're making toward me right now? Oh, but that's alright for you, as you are a Godless atheist, and are not held to the same standards as a Christian like me.
@Weasler455 Oh boo hoo, but it was alright scream F off to people and call them assholes before? And your christian standards seem to be pretty darn low..
@smnSahin So what does it matter to YOU?? You sick gay-loving people think Christianity is all a sham anyway! I'll take care of my standards, you take care of YOURS.
@Weasler455 It matters to me because people like you are trying to impede on their sexual freedom and their right to have their union recognised. Basically you are forcing your beliefs onto them. Tell me, why do you think homosexuality is so bad? And before you attack me for being a 'filthy gay @#$^!', let me tell you now that I am heterosexual.
@smnSahin Impede on their sexual freedom?? LOL!!! Trust me, there is no way that I will ever try to stop two gays from eating each other's shit and getting Shigellosis, plus the host of other diseases they get from their nauseating "lifestyle". No way in hell.
But marriage? That's another story. Gays have the "right" to marry RIGHT NOW - to the opposite sex, like all normal people. The issue is not the "right" to marry. It is rather the redefinition of marriage. Don't be fooled.
Have you seen the video where the guy exposes homosexuality? I think it's called "eat da poopoo", basically he reveals to us what homosexuals don't want others to know about their secret practises of eating shit.
Marriage has been redefined by false religions all the time, only in the Bible do you get the true definition of marriage being 1 man and 1 woman.
Rubbish, bible does not say 1 man and 1 women, how many wives did king solomon have? over 300, and he was a prophet of God who helped him with miracles.
@Weasler455 scientific limitation is not a proof of the existence of god. How mad would you have thought people would be if they claimed that one day humans could fly 500 years ago? Or even that we would have computers, tvs etc.
You are asking us to explain something that is beyond todays science, but I don't understand what you are trying to prove by it? Just because we don't know something NOW doesn't mean we won't know something in 10 or 20 years time.
@Weasler455 Fact is that religion pretends to have all the answers, and that answer has always been the same since the dawn of mythology: 'God(s) did it'
But if we remained satisfied with such answers, then where would the human race be now? Still in the dark ages no doubt!
And while we're at it, explain the formation of the DNA molecule in accordance with Darwin, who died 70 years before it was discovered. In Darwin's day, with its primitive microscopes, the cell looked like a blob of protoplasm. Today, with our electron microscopes, we now know it to actually be more complex than a large city. How did the incredibly complex DNA molecule and cell manage to form themselves? Be specific.
@Weasler455 well because of this statement none of us have to explain anything to you for you are insisting as if we, people who tend to understand and believe in the theory of evolution, say that DNA formed itself! Then you expect answers and make up some lame story about how I name called you because I asked you to read. Obviously I will be saying 'read' time and time again because obviously you know jack shit about evolution and abiogenesis! Look it up! Geez! Also stop jumping to conc...
@Wiilovewii ...therefore religion! That is the dumbest conclusion ever!..and again, if you are going to insist on not reading and asking the same questions here time and time again which are all answered in evolutionary studies but you are acting as if they weren't. You expect some random person like me to explain it to you in such small space how it all works and tell you what all universe is! That's not going to work! And if you are expecting it to, then you are simply insane! I am done!
@Weasler455 I failed your already fail test. I can reply every single one of these questions. But I won't. There simply isn't enough space. And let's assume that I answered your questions, you are keep going to say I didn't! The reason I say read resources because I don't want to waste my time explaining the basic concepts of evolution. But you are insisting that I am avoiding the question! I am not, I am just not answering it in 500 word limited boxes!
@Wiilovewii This all gets back to what I'm saying. You are CERTAIN Darwin and Darwinism is correct, but you can't tell me why for JACK SHIT. All you can tell me is "read a book", even though you have obviously not read any yourself. For if you did, then you could explain it all to me in a flash.
But please don't misunderstand - I am not singling you out. Every Darwinist and atheist that I have debated has behaved just like you. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
@Wiilovewii You've now used 2-3 posts to explain to me why you needn't explain anything. Once again, since you people "tend to understand" the theory of evolution and are sooo smart, why not do this wretched creature who knows "jack shit" a small favor, come down from your tower, and explain it all to poor, dumb me? You super-smart liberal people are all about benevolence, right?
LOL!! I'm going to make BETS on your behavior in Las Vegas, as you people are SO FUCKING PREDICTABLE!
@Weasler455 the thing is that hadith as being interpreted as this other person who claimed to be prophet at mohammed's time, he was trying to dis him!
@Wiilovewii I don't know enough about the Hadith - indeed, I know NOTHING
about it - so I cannot comment on that. I do think that Darwin did far more bad than good in this world, and that his theories (and that's all they are- theories) are easily shot down under scrutiny, particularly under today's scientific evidence.
@Weasler455 huh?! Really? What science papers are you reading? All of the scientists and science publications I know and read say that evolution exist and it has so many evidence for it! Darwin didn't do anything. I am confident that religion has doen more evil than anyone can claim the same for Darwin!
Also, if you are calling yourself Muslim, for Allah's sake read hadith and Kuran to talk about it!
@Wiilovewii Never said I was a Muslim. I'm a Christian. But that doesn't mean I have no respect for Islam. I'm not surprised that all the scientists you "know" say evolution exists. And I say that too! The question is, by what mechanism? Was it entirely due to chance factors as Darwin stated? On that, there is very little evidence. Read some of the ID work (which does not mention God AT ALL) for questions that Darwinists cannot answer except with name-calling and put-downs. That's not science.
Well, I know A LOT about ID. The issue here for me isn't the exitence of god, but rather the misuse of religion. If we had no religion then we could talk about the mechanisms that made this universe and life on earth! But all religion does is: god did it, so you don't need to know anything else! That is just dogmatic! So, let's assume that evolution needs a creator or some ID behind it all, how does it all tie in with christian, jewish or islamic god at all? Sorry, A=/=B! God's existence doesn..
@Wiilovewii I'm not sure you and I disagree so much. Sure, there are people who are dogmatic in religion. But my point is there are also people dogmatic in Darwinism. Like religious fanatics, they will not even CONSIDER any other point of view. ID people are raising a lot of very difficult questions for the Darwinists, all of which are on the Darwinist's terms (i.e., science). Rather than address those questions, Darwinists merely respond with name-calling and ridicule. That's not science.
@Weasler455 First and foremost there is no such thing as Darwinism. Nobody follows Darwin for anything. He just happened to have made a valid observation in science and scientists built their studies around it because it makes sense and the application of evolution can be utulised by scientists on daily basis. None of the scientists have blind faith in Darwinian theories! That is utterly preposterous to suggest!
@Wiilovewii No such thing as "Darwinism"? What the hell are you TALKING about?? OF COURSE there is, and YES, people follow him!
What I am talking about when I say Darwinism is his theory (and yes, it is JUST a theory) that development and evolution are due completely to chance factors, without any direction or design. As I said, the ID people are raising MANY difficult questions that make that theory less and less plausible.
@Weasler455 this shows how little you understand Evolution. First and foremost, everything in science is a theory! Theory means explanation of a scientific phenomenon! And Evolution, when it comes to explaining biological diversity on this planet, is the most supported theory due to overwhelming evidence. Evolution is not a philosophy, nor an ideology, nor a life style as you are claiming by the made up term "Darwinism". Just because you believe in some authority and have faith, you think...
@Wiilovewii Since I understand so little about evolution and you understand so much, because YOU are so well read and I am such a moron, please explain to me the Cambrian Explosion. THAT ought to keep you up for a while.
@Wiilovewii The Cambrian explosion is a fossil record from around 600 million years ago. Nearly all of the animal phyla appear in the rocks of this period, without a trace of the evolutionary ancestors that Darwin said are required. Explain how that happened.
Also, since you are so well read and I am so dumb, I will ask you a SECOND time to list for me all the hard evidence and examples of one species giving birth to and nurturing another. Use several posts if space requires it.
@Weasler455 first and foremost, I won't bother replying your post for whatever I write you won't be satisfied and call me names anyways. And frankly I care so little about your position on this issue.
Secondly, there is hardly any space to write it all here but the basics of cambrian explosion and the evidence regarding a new species forming is in every evolutionary writing so I suggest you read: The Greatest Show on Earth and/or have a look at talkoriginsdotcom. I just can't waste my time!
@Wiilovewii Ah, YES!!!!!! You needn't BOTHER to explain it all to me!!! You're just SOOOO high level, and I'm just SOOOO dumb, there's just no need for you to "waste your time" and come down from your high throne to my little piece of gutter. Yes, that is another tactic that you people engage in, as well as telling me to read another book. ANYTHING but give me a straight answer!
@Weasler455 everyone is the same! We, or scientists, do not follow Darwin's theory blindly! They follow it because they see the practical use of it day to day. They can test it. There is heaps evidence also suggest evolution did happen and is happening! ie: flu virus! nuff said!
On the issue of 'evolution works by chance'! Is the biggest bs claim and again shows how little you understand what evolution is. Natural selection does not work based of chance, it works on survival! Read please!
@Wiilovewii FUCK YOU, gay asshole!!! I HAVE read!!! And I am QUITE familiar with Darwin's theory of evolution. What I'm telling you, genetic defect, is that there is NO EVIDENCE that one species gives birth to and nurtures another, and that is just ONE of the many problems with Darwin's theory. Going to challenge me on that? Lots of luck.
@Weasler455 how nice of you to call me names and expect a decent answer afterwards as if you are maintaining some sort of civil debate!
Natural selection is the mechanism that allows new species to be born. There are tons of evidence. You say you read about evolution and yet come up with stupid arguments like this. I am done with you. Believe whatever dogma you want to believe. Truth will prevail at the end!
@Wiilovewii Don't complain to me about name-calling, as you are the one who
started it with your "think" and "read, please" put-downs. You people like to think you are the only ones who read, but I will bet that your critics read far more than you do. I notice this EVERY TIME I pose difficult questions to Darwinists and atheists: Like you are doing, they respond with put-downs, name-calling, and comments like "read a book" - ANYTHING but a direct answer. Happens EVERY TIME.
@smnSahin Hey, I'm just pointing out a 'fact'. Gays constantly tell us that they are gay due to their 'genes', and not due to choice, right? If that's so, it must be due to a genetic defect (mutation), for only a defective gene would spur an organism to avoid procreative sex and instead engage in nonprocreative sex, which in turn would lead to the extinction of the species. Natural selection in action!
@smnSahin No, they actually DO NOT tell us it is their genes. That is an old idea that has been refuted. Even the APA no longer believes that. Check it out.
But my point is, it is either a choice, or if you are going to look at it from a Darwinistic point of view, then it is a genetic defect. Take your pick.
@Weasler455 Um yeah, I would say that identifying and manipulating a gene in mice to make them homosexual is 'promising' research to show that there is a gay gene. But my point is that yeah, it DOESN'T MATTER whether homosexuality is genetic or social, I never claimed that it did matter. It only matters in that tiny fanatical mind of yours... And also why are you appealing to science to try and prove a point while simultaneously rejecting the majority scientific view when it comes to evolution
@smnSahin Majority??? You mean "might makes right"? So much for the "normality" of gay sex, then!
Scientific questions are not decided by "polls" of the democratic process. If they were, how far do you think Copernicus would have gotten?
There is also a gay gene for alcoholism. But neither that nor shit-eating fag sex is good for one's health (The average gay man eats the fecal matter of 35 other gay men. That's "promising" to you?).
@Weasler455 that's why gays are not majority! They did not prevail due to their none procreativeness! And gaiety happens due to variety of contributors including the way person is brought up etc. There is no choice either case. Ask yourself this question: would I choose to sleep with your same sex if you are actually very very attracted to the opposite sex already?! Why would you want to give up something you desire so much?
@Wiilovewii Psychologists like Albert Ellis addressed this question a long time ago. He talked about irrational fears of the opposite sex (heterophobia). In response, the gay community, rather than deal with that fear, turned the whole issue around and came out with the mythical idea of "homophobia". Cute tactic, eh?
I'm glad you noticed this, gays invent the idea of homophobia to throw at people who hate them, what a bunch of dishonest liars. No on hates gays or wants to kill them, it's all propoganda madeup by those who want to break God's rules for their hedonistic pleasures.
doesn't validate religion one bit. So, in order for us to search for god, for real, we need to get out of religion and search for him/her/it that way!
Harun Yahya's superfluous slur upon Darwin's visage as being "ugly" only shows that Yahya has no argument to refute the writings and conclusions of that great scientific naturalist, Darwin.
One's good looks (or unpleasant looks) have nothing to do with the merits of that person's scientific propositions.
wow.. look at those statistics.. i wonder where he saw those at.. and i like how the description of the antichrist** is so vague.. he even fits the description.. haha.. great video..
@TheHosay Doesnt do anyting to invalidate his theory of evolution.
BTW, Darwin is not ugly. He was noble human being who loved his family and led a respectable life.
Muhammad was ugly. His actions were demonic. He was a murderer, rapist, child sex abuser, paedophile, genital mutilator, animal sacrificer and a filthy prophet pretender. Now get over it.
Harun Yahya is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. He's currently in prison, like many creationist frauds, and has a history of serious criminal activity and sexual deviance....Still he is the voice of 'Islamic science'...Proving once more that there is no debate...Only the idle reckonings of liars, frauds and the educationally sub-normal.
Maybe that's the way to go then...If you get caught lying, you get locked up, or at least outed as a fraud...Then perhaps millions of scientifically illiterate mouth breathers would stop buying Harun Yahya's books....Wishful thinking I know. I totally understand why Dawkins refuses to debate this retard, but I kind if wish he would. If just to embarrass him.
The guy is totally deluded!!
occams2008 3 months ago
@occams2008 That man is Adnan Oktar, and deluded doesn't even begin to describe how bat shit insane he is.
NoNamesLeft0102 3 months ago
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such a hot chick in dat disgusting attire
thescorpionking2020 8 months ago
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thescorpionking2020 8 months ago
such a hot chick is dat disgusting bronze age dress
thescorpionking2020 8 months ago
@thescorpionking2020 She seems very much civilized and respectful in that dress unlike women you dream of in bikinis.
Broadcaster17 7 months ago
@Broadcaster17 i dont dream of them,m with hot girls all d time and u muslims treat women like shit,i like free,independent women not enslaved mutilated bitches,she may be a hot chick but dat burqa shows her enslaved mentality
thescorpionking2020 7 months ago
I belive that things evolved but i believe there was an Intelligant designer that made them evolve. Think about it athiests say "religion makes no scence" when they belive that "the big bang created everything". What caused he big bang? It makes scence that God/Allah/Jehova created it and forced it to explode then gathering the energy forming things
supermariobubba 10 months ago
this is insane
agents1986 1 year ago
Here's another one that will bug the ever-loving shit out of atheistic Darwinists: Explain how the first life form (i.e., cell) managed to form entirely at random from lifeless materials, and AT THE SAME TIME have the ability to reproduce itself (it had to have BOTH properties).
Uh, oh! Now I'm REALLY in for it!! He's going tell me to read a WHOLE LIBRARY now!! Damn! I just HAVE to stop asking questions and accept Darwinism blindly, like a good little know-nothing!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 first and foremost there are primitive, singular cell organisms like plasmid bacteria. Those can be made from abiotic materials come together. They are at a brink of actually replicating this event in labs!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii HUH???? No WAY! ALL they have produced in labs is a few SIMPLE organic compounds. THAT'S IT. Nothing even CLOSE to complex proteins, and DEFINITELY not DNA. BTW, they have been trying to design life in the lab for over 80 years. And how would designing life in the lab prove that life formed at random? If anything, it would prove that it was formed BY DESIGN!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 and for the record, you have been dodging my ultimate question about how the possibility of god's existence leading to religion! And how god can be known besides dogma ie: blind faith?! Show me scientific evidence god is there. You are claiming god is there, you have the burden of proof, not me! I don't claim anything that cannot be observed. Evolution is observed. Look at how natural selection works. It is there, in your own backyard even with weeds and other plants etc.
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii I can't give you scientific evidence that God is there any more than you can give it to me that he is not. I can only give implications based on nature and the universe. If there is no God, then everything we see, hear, feel, and know (including this very conversation) is ultimately based on randomness, and that just doesn't make sense.
BTW, all I've talked about are topics in biology. I have not even TOUCHED upon the arguments in physics or chemistry.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 so it is your interpretation and your gut feeling. Until you find scientific evidence god is there, then do not pretend you are a scientific person. You just go by 'I feel universe can't create itself'...well too bad, it has a great potential to have been created by itself. And if you say that it is illogical for universe to do that, how then do you explain where god came from? Is he eternal? Then how? It doesn't equally make sense (with your logic) that god was not created!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii It's not gut feeling - simply logic. Please list for me all the things that "create themselves". Do computers create themselves out of nothing? No. Do rocks? No. Air? Water? Animals? People? Cells? No.
But the ultimate creation - the entire universe - does that create itself? In your mind, yes. Now how is that nothing else but that happens to appear out of nothing? If I left a jar of "nothing" on a shelf, how long would I have to wait for a universe to be created inside it?
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 then can god be created out of nothing for everything is created?!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Obviously, we are talking about an intelligence well beyond our imaginations. Look at it this way: Imagine a bird in a cage. Does the bird know that cage is containing it? I think so. Does the bird perceive a world outside the cage? I also think so. Does the bird know the cage was made by Hartz Mountain who made $X Billion last year? Of course not, yet that also is a fact. But it's mind cannot comprehend that. Same with man. Are you prepared to say man knows all there is to know?
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 in my previous post I said it was last but I will have to break that word again! Sigh!
Anyways, your logic is again flawed mate. You are aware that the bird can see the cage, see the world outside (we can see neither of these things relating to after life etc). And do you not realise the maker of that cage does not claim to torture this bird after he does right? So, I come back to my point. Even if there is a creator, what is the consequence of this creator for us? Surely, there..
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Huh????? Torture??? MY logic makes no SENSE???? What the HELL are you talking about??
So that's two posts now after saying you give up on me, for the second time.
You're not to good in giving up on things, are you?
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 surely, there were no relation between the bird and the creator of the cage now was there? THERE IS NO PERSONAL GOD WHICH EXISTS THE WAY ANY OF THE RELIGIONS, CULTS, BELIEF SYSTEMS EXPLAIN EVEN IF THERE IS A CREATOR GOD!
On that note, I truely exit!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii You totally miss my point.
But let me make it easy for you. Go out and buy a parakeet, and read to it Hartz Mountain's annual report. If you can get the bird to tell you how much stock to buy in Hartz Mountain, you will convince me that no God exists.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 I can maybe teach it to imitate my voice and actually read out the thing. But that is still irrelevant. Hartz Mountain's does not care about that bird at all. They don't interfere with its life, don't feed it and don't certain expect it to pray or worship them. So, even if there is Hartz Mountain of this universe where is the proof he/she/it cares?
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii WHAT are you DOING here?? You told me "Goodbye" TWICE already!!! You need to go out and do better things with the precious imaginary "life" that you have! You're running out of TIME, atheist!!! Boy, are you DELUSIONAL!
Again, you TOTALLY miss my point regarding the bird cage analogy. So your damn chemical reactions, which give you the delusion that you actually 'think and feel', are not even working correctly! Bummer, man! Now your whole short meaningless life is even worse.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 you do not give me a chance to leave for I am in front of my computer and you keep making stupid accusations about my life like I have no meaning whatever. Well, whatever makes you sleep at night really. If you want to believe my life is a waste, then go ahead. Rather than spending 300+ words how I didn't understand your analogy, couldn't you just explain it then? Pathetic much?!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii I DON"T give you a CHANCE to leave???? You are all the way over on the OTHER SIDE OF the world, "mate"!!! And I am keeping YOU online? Once again, YOU have the nerve to imply that I am delusional?
What I mean by the Hartz Mountain analogy is this: Just as there are facts that exist in this universe well beyond what less involved birds can never comprehend, I can easily accept that there are also facts that exist that us slightly more evolved humans cannot comprehend. Get it now?
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 I say you aren't giving me chance because you are addressing me and I am online at this moment in time, not for you!
Onto the poor analogy again, I have never ever claimed that there can never been a reality beyond us. We just have no reason to believe so for there is so little to no consequence for us. What is the benefit of believing such thing? Why should I just spend my life following a 'maybe'? Where do you get your info about god or this reality that you do not know? And..
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii HERE'S YOU CHANCE!!! I'm giving to you NOW! I release you from your machine!!! Go away already, will you? Leave me to my God delusion, and I will leave you to your 'thoughts and feelings' delusion!
Why spend your life following a 'maybe'? You're doing that RIGHT NOW! Ever hear the way Darwinists and atheists explain things? They constantly use words like "maybe", "possibly", "could have", etc. NEVER any absolutes. So your life is already based on a "maybe".
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 ...if you are like that bird how could you even care about something you cannot understand? Even if that something existing, how would I ever know it? This leaves us with nothing less than a paradox. For you are saying that we can never understand or comprehend god, then how do you know such thing exists. For everything beyond our understanding is a mere speculation?
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii It does not matter whether the bird "cares" about it. The point is, IT EXISTS! Are you telling me the Hartz Mountain company uis just a delusion?
The bird can NEVER understand or comprehend Hartz Mountain, but it DOES exist. The same thing is true with the Creator, I believe.
But again, this is now getting ridiculous. You told me you gave up on poor dumb me a long time ago!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 I told you 50 million times, god may exist. Even Richard Dawkins fully disregard it, but he/she/it has no relevance to us and our daily lives, so no reason to for us to speculate about it/he/she.
But since you are such a firm believer, can you tell me what kind of god do you believe in and why? And through what do you know him/her/it? Because clearly looking at nature and seeing god is there not enough to know or worship it.
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii doesn't disregard it* (mistake)
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii This is REALLY getting absurd now!!! You told me "Goodbye" many posts ago!!!
Now you are backpedaling. You still say God has no relevance, but are not denying His existence. I guess that's progress.
So you look at nature and see that God is there not enough to know or worship. Let me ask you something: If there is no chance that a God created the universe and life, EXACTLY HOW DID THEY BOTH FORM BY CHANCE? And DO NOT
tell me to "read a book". Tell me in your OWN WORDS.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 you didn't answer my question so I won't yours until your reply to my last post, properly. I don't believe in god, I say there may be a god. I am not sure because there is no enough proof. I can confidently answer the question you posed, but you didn't answer my question.
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii I don't even know what "question" you are referring to, but it does no matter. You are simply trying to avoid my question, as you have been doing for days now. Why don't you just leave me like you said you would about three times and 20 posts ago?
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 yeh like you don't avoid my questions!
"But since you are such a firm believer, can you tell me what kind of god do you believe in and why? And through what do you know him/her/it?" That was the question. Up to you to answer it here, in your head or not at all. Well, I didn't stop because I thought you were open for discussion. Little I realised you were just trying to preach. I will leave you alone to spare you from further squealing! Have a nice day sir, and peace!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Preach WHAT???? My religion? What are you TALKING about?? First you accuse me of not answering your questions about the nature of God, but THEN you accuse me of "preaching". Which IS it??? You contradict yourself!
I already answered this. I think that God is well, well, well beyond our imaginations. We get a glimpse of God through the Bible and the Koran (I think both speak truths), not always in a literal sense, but at least metaphorically.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Look at it this way: Explaining the full nature of God to humans is like explaining Hartz Mountain's annual report to your pet bird. THAT is what what I meant by my analogy.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 you didn't answer any of my questions. Including how do you get from A. God created the universe, to B. Thus religion, particularly Christianity, is the right religion?!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. DId I mention Christianity AT ALL? The questions I'm posing go beyond any single religion, and actually apply to all.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 and simply all of the religions are wrong and flawed, thus again the possibility of the existence of god does not justify any religion at all. There is no reason for it.
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Well, that's your opinion. I happen to think your wrong, and you strike me as a rather angry person who has a bug up his ass about something. But if you want to believe in nothing, then be my guest.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 and I asked you what specific details aren't you sure about cambrian explosion and you dodged that question as well. You are stuck at how could there be so many diversity at that point, then there is little known. But I would really like to know what ID has to say about that, besides god did it. How did he did it, if he did so?
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii and I also answered about how can a cell can come about. It is abiogenesis. The life form was so very simple back then, we wouldn't have any traces of that left for today (again, more support for evolution). For DNA to copy itself it only needs as little as 6 nucleotides so, that wouldn't be so hard to form! If your issue is about amino acids and all. Well, those chemical products even form in space. They are just chemical compostions, again not hard to be made.
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii oh also, what good is saying god did it and leaving the questions aside? If we want the truth we need more than that!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Who said anything about leaving questions aside? Not at all! In fact, I think it is Darwinists who actually like to leave questions aside, especially when they are tough!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Actually, I cannot understand why the Darwinists get into such lunatic tirades the moment anyone even HINTS at God. The truth is the truth, and that is ALL we seek. It makes no sense to insist that there is no Creator if the evidence shows that life and the universe could not possibly have been formed from nothingness, by itself, or totally at random, and that indeed is what the evidence is showing. Nature and the universe is simply far too complex to have formed simply by chance.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 because there is no benefit to science AT ALL hinting to god. Tell me one use can believing a hypothetical invisible man bring to science! There is none. You are using god as a filler because frankly you don't want to think otherwise. I was a believer for all my life until 3 months ago. As soon as I looked the other way, I saw hundereds of holes in the hypothesis of god the way at least we are presented. I believe there still is a possibility of god, but it's existence is irrelevant.
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Well, then, if God IS a truth, and there is no benefit to science AT ALL in hinting to Go as you say, then what good is science? Because science alone has sure not explained Creation. All you get from Darwinists and atheists are vague explanations peppered with qualifiiers like "could be", "may be", "quite possibly", and so forth, as well as conniptions, tirades, and name-calling the moment anyone suggests that their explanations are weak. Once again, that's not science.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 and saying god is the explanation is science? I am lost in your logic. The only reason why science is not sure of anything because it works off evidence. So, if we don't have enough evidence for something then we cannot be 100% sure. But saying that everything is created by god is a dead end. What does one gain by saying the world started by god? Absolutely nothing!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii BTW, I thought you "gave up on me" about 6 posts ago. Why do you care so much about what I say? You shouldn't be wasting your precious Godless time with me. In fact, why should an atheist care about ANYTHING? It's all just a lot of chemical reactions - nothing more. That also is another thing that amazes me about so-called atheists. A true atheist should not give a wit about ANYTHING.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 Okay, well, I did give up on you but since you kept replying I didn't want to look as if I gave up just because I cannot carry out a discussion. I am sick of your simple arguments though such as 'why atheists care about anything?!'...wow you really got me there..or not! The flaw in the so called logic of that argument is so grand that I do not even want to reply. What my feelings are doesn't matter, be it chemical reactions, be it soul or whatever. What I, as a person, make of them..
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Who gives a damn WHAT you make of your 'feelings'? They mean NOTHING!!! You have no 'soul', according to you. You are nothing more than a collection of chemicals and chemical reactions, and I say, your chemical reactions (if the word "your" makes sense to begin with) are NOTHING, and we could not care a WIT about them.
See what I mean? This is how atheism leads to repression and mass murder (ala Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot), far worse than any crusade or inquisition.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 ...matters more. So, I do give a damn about anything because I like life, myself, the world, the universe and believe it or not they all can have a meaning without being a slave to some invisible man in the sky somewhere. I make my own meaning, free from the shackles that are forced upon my very short but very precious life. So, rather than making my short stay a hell, I would very much like it to be as meaningful to me as possible. This is my reasoning, of course there would...
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Well, I don't know why you SHOULD give a damn about anything, because your life means NOTHING. It is just a pile of chemicals. How could there be any "meaning"? THAT MAKES NO SENSE. A meaningless, random universe cannot create "meaning". There is no purpose. And your damn life is NOT "precious". It is just a bunch of chemicals that have no more meaning that the shit you just left in your meaningless toilet.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 ...be other humans have different parameters and meanings for their lives. Even so called believers in god also determine these parameters for all of those doctrines are man made. You just choose to follow what the others have decided what is best for you. I simply choose for myself with the consideration of others as well. Humans have innate moralities. I don't need religion in my life really. I am good enough to decide on my own...
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Humans have "innate moralities"??? How so??? Based on WHAT? Coming from WHAT?? Once again, it's just meaningless, random chemical reactions! ALL OF IT!!!! Your desires mean nothing. Your thoughts mean nothing. Your feelings mean nothing. Your affections mean nothing, as well as the affections of others toward you. You call ME delusional for being a believer? HA!!!! Look at YOURSELF!!! You're more deluded than anything in the world, pal!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 well it is simply based on myself! I am an atheist that has morals, feelings, attachments, love, desires...none of them random or meaningless. It doesn't matter they may all be sourced through chemistry, biochemistry, genetics or memory. They all feel real to me, they all mean something to me. That's all that matters. Do you think your emotions and everything you described aren't bunch of chemical reactions but it is exclusive to atheists?! Lol.
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii You don't have ANY morals, feelings, attachments, love or desires! That's my POINT!! You only THINK you do!!! And your "thinking" is not REAL to begin with!!! I don't care how REAL they are to you - they are NOT!!!! So WHO are YOU to call me DELUSIONAL? You think all these thoughts and feelings are real, and they ARE NOT!!!! Face it, pal!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 This time, I am leaving this bloody long and absolutely fruitless discussion for good. You, obviously made your mind up about everything, will not listen to reason. For you, the explanation 'god did it' and 'I need an authority like god to tell me what to do' are enough. It keeps you from thinking for yourself which would require great effort. But for me, and many others, those explanations are not enough. Thus, we realise there is much more to the meaning of life than myths! Peace
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii OK, fine, goodbye!!!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii In all the ID materials I have read and seen, I have never seen anyone say "God did it". That is the implication, yes, but it is not explicitly stated.
Weasler455 1 year ago
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@Weasler455 no you are dodging the question. Answer my questions!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
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Weasler455 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii I've just explained what problems the Cambrian Explosion creates for Darwinists. They cannot explain it based on his theory.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 again refer my above comments. I explained this. Nobody claims a complex cell with modern DNA today formed at the beginning. It just didn't have to survive and replicate! Viruses are good sort of indicator how life can border along no life and life. Perhaps initial life was just chemistry, eventually led to biochemistry. Though WE DO NOT KNOW! And that doesn't mean we ever WON'T KNOW! We just don't fill the gaps with god!
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smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin That's it! Have "faith" in your non-faith! You've been trying for years to prove that 'nothing begat everything' with no success, one day you may be proved right! That's the spirit! (Oops! Atheists HAVE no spirit!).
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@Weasler455 So your telling me that you don't have 'faith' in science despite everything you see around you today? Why does everything with you religious types boil down to 'faith', maybe because your beliefs lack credibility? Use your brain! (Oh wait, you HAVE no brain!..)
smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin No, that's not quite what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is the atheistic and Darwinian
explanations for the universe and life being created
totally by chance are illogical, based on the complexity of
life and the universe. If you were honest with yourself, stopped
retorting with put-downs and insults and invocations of the word
"science" as if is tha were all you needed to say , and examined the
evidence for yourself with an objective mind, you
would agree with me.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455
Thank you friend, for pointing out the flaws in atheism.
Atheists and scientists believe the universe came from "nothing" for no reason, and that suns and galaxies were made for no reason, and magically we were made "poof"! Be careful of the scientists, they keep inventing theories that do not invoke God. Things like tectonic plates, air pressure, electrical charges are used now to explain earthquakes, hurricanes etc without mentioning God's wrath.
eritasevoli 1 year ago
@eritasevoli I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. If you aren't, I can only tell you I do not subscribe to that "God's wrath" viewpoint. If you are being sarcastic, and are trying to invoke yet another put down, I'm eager for you to dazzle me with the materialistic explanation of how nothing begat everything, with all the incredible order that we find exists in the universe.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455
"I'm eager for you to dazzle me with the materialistic explanation of how nothing begat everything"
Shouldn't it be obvious there is no materialistic explanation at all other than the manmade theories that don't invoke God? If you want to subscribe that "everything came from nothing" go ahead, but you are playing very dangerously with your fate.
Atheism: universe came from nothing, atoms made for no reason, stars made for no reason, man evolved from rocks.
eritasevoli 1 year ago
@Weasler455
Did you know that atheists use Darwinian evolution to explain everything in their atheistic worldview? For example originally they used Darwin's theory to explain the origin of species (diversity of life), then they expanded it to the origin of life, then they apply it to the universe (evolution of galaxies etc). The problem is that atheists can't be objective at all, science indicates that God exists, that it is ONE God who is omnipresent, omnipotent and onmiscient.
eritasevoli 1 year ago
@eritasevoli Poor you. There is absolutely nothing in SCIENCE, indicating that there is a god, especially one god, and especially one specific god (christian, muslim etc..). These religious nuts here are saying Darwin killed 350 million people...I find it so funny that there are people in uneducated regions in the world, who actually believe this nonsense.... Think how many are killed by religion, multiply the number with zero and then you find out how many have been killed by Darwin.
eksiarvamus 1 year ago
@Weasler455 It seems that whenever you lack a decent retort you resort to personal attacks and gross generalisations about people you don't even know! Quite sad really, is this the best your religious morals can do?
smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin Personal attacks? You mean like the ones you're making toward me right now? Oh, but that's alright for you, as you are a Godless atheist, and are not held to the same standards as a Christian like me.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 Oh boo hoo, but it was alright scream F off to people and call them assholes before? And your christian standards seem to be pretty darn low..
smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin So what does it matter to YOU?? You sick gay-loving people think Christianity is all a sham anyway! I'll take care of my standards, you take care of YOURS.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 It matters to me because people like you are trying to impede on their sexual freedom and their right to have their union recognised. Basically you are forcing your beliefs onto them. Tell me, why do you think homosexuality is so bad? And before you attack me for being a 'filthy gay @#$^!', let me tell you now that I am heterosexual.
smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin Impede on their sexual freedom?? LOL!!! Trust me, there is no way that I will ever try to stop two gays from eating each other's shit and getting Shigellosis, plus the host of other diseases they get from their nauseating "lifestyle". No way in hell.
But marriage? That's another story. Gays have the "right" to marry RIGHT NOW - to the opposite sex, like all normal people. The issue is not the "right" to marry. It is rather the redefinition of marriage. Don't be fooled.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455
Have you seen the video where the guy exposes homosexuality? I think it's called "eat da poopoo", basically he reveals to us what homosexuals don't want others to know about their secret practises of eating shit.
Marriage has been redefined by false religions all the time, only in the Bible do you get the true definition of marriage being 1 man and 1 woman.
eritasevoli 1 year ago
@eritasevoli
Rubbish, bible does not say 1 man and 1 women, how many wives did king solomon have? over 300, and he was a prophet of God who helped him with miracles.
IMnotSAS 1 year ago
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smnSahin 1 year ago
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@Weasler455 scientific limitation is not a proof of the existence of god. How mad would you have thought people would be if they claimed that one day humans could fly 500 years ago? Or even that we would have computers, tvs etc.
You are asking us to explain something that is beyond todays science, but I don't understand what you are trying to prove by it? Just because we don't know something NOW doesn't mean we won't know something in 10 or 20 years time.
smnSahin 1 year ago
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@Weasler455 Fact is that religion pretends to have all the answers, and that answer has always been the same since the dawn of mythology: 'God(s) did it'
But if we remained satisfied with such answers, then where would the human race be now? Still in the dark ages no doubt!
smnSahin 1 year ago
And while we're at it, explain the formation of the DNA molecule in accordance with Darwin, who died 70 years before it was discovered. In Darwin's day, with its primitive microscopes, the cell looked like a blob of protoplasm. Today, with our electron microscopes, we now know it to actually be more complex than a large city. How did the incredibly complex DNA molecule and cell manage to form themselves? Be specific.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 well because of this statement none of us have to explain anything to you for you are insisting as if we, people who tend to understand and believe in the theory of evolution, say that DNA formed itself! Then you expect answers and make up some lame story about how I name called you because I asked you to read. Obviously I will be saying 'read' time and time again because obviously you know jack shit about evolution and abiogenesis! Look it up! Geez! Also stop jumping to conc...
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii ...therefore religion! That is the dumbest conclusion ever!..and again, if you are going to insist on not reading and asking the same questions here time and time again which are all answered in evolutionary studies but you are acting as if they weren't. You expect some random person like me to explain it to you in such small space how it all works and tell you what all universe is! That's not going to work! And if you are expecting it to, then you are simply insane! I am done!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii That's four, now. Still can't answer me, eh? You failed the test, pal! Thanks for winning my bet for me!
BTW, you're DONE? I thought you were finished with me several posts ago!
ROTFLMAO!!!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 I failed your already fail test. I can reply every single one of these questions. But I won't. There simply isn't enough space. And let's assume that I answered your questions, you are keep going to say I didn't! The reason I say read resources because I don't want to waste my time explaining the basic concepts of evolution. But you are insisting that I am avoiding the question! I am not, I am just not answering it in 500 word limited boxes!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii This all gets back to what I'm saying. You are CERTAIN Darwin and Darwinism is correct, but you can't tell me why for JACK SHIT. All you can tell me is "read a book", even though you have obviously not read any yourself. For if you did, then you could explain it all to me in a flash.
But please don't misunderstand - I am not singling you out. Every Darwinist and atheist that I have debated has behaved just like you. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii You've now used 2-3 posts to explain to me why you needn't explain anything. Once again, since you people "tend to understand" the theory of evolution and are sooo smart, why not do this wretched creature who knows "jack shit" a small favor, come down from your tower, and explain it all to poor, dumb me? You super-smart liberal people are all about benevolence, right?
LOL!! I'm going to make BETS on your behavior in Las Vegas, as you people are SO FUCKING PREDICTABLE!
Weasler455 1 year ago
Darwin killed 350,000 people? WTF
QuillGentle 1 year ago
if you haven't seen an ultimate dickhead, you are looking right at him!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
But why Darwin and not Karl Marx - another guy with a beard who
probably wouldn't have made the cover of GQ?
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 the thing is that hadith as being interpreted as this other person who claimed to be prophet at mohammed's time, he was trying to dis him!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii I don't know enough about the Hadith - indeed, I know NOTHING
about it - so I cannot comment on that. I do think that Darwin did far more bad than good in this world, and that his theories (and that's all they are- theories) are easily shot down under scrutiny, particularly under today's scientific evidence.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 huh?! Really? What science papers are you reading? All of the scientists and science publications I know and read say that evolution exist and it has so many evidence for it! Darwin didn't do anything. I am confident that religion has doen more evil than anyone can claim the same for Darwin!
Also, if you are calling yourself Muslim, for Allah's sake read hadith and Kuran to talk about it!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Never said I was a Muslim. I'm a Christian. But that doesn't mean I have no respect for Islam. I'm not surprised that all the scientists you "know" say evolution exists. And I say that too! The question is, by what mechanism? Was it entirely due to chance factors as Darwin stated? On that, there is very little evidence. Read some of the ID work (which does not mention God AT ALL) for questions that Darwinists cannot answer except with name-calling and put-downs. That's not science.
Weasler455 1 year ago
Well, I know A LOT about ID. The issue here for me isn't the exitence of god, but rather the misuse of religion. If we had no religion then we could talk about the mechanisms that made this universe and life on earth! But all religion does is: god did it, so you don't need to know anything else! That is just dogmatic! So, let's assume that evolution needs a creator or some ID behind it all, how does it all tie in with christian, jewish or islamic god at all? Sorry, A=/=B! God's existence doesn..
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii I'm not sure you and I disagree so much. Sure, there are people who are dogmatic in religion. But my point is there are also people dogmatic in Darwinism. Like religious fanatics, they will not even CONSIDER any other point of view. ID people are raising a lot of very difficult questions for the Darwinists, all of which are on the Darwinist's terms (i.e., science). Rather than address those questions, Darwinists merely respond with name-calling and ridicule. That's not science.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 First and foremost there is no such thing as Darwinism. Nobody follows Darwin for anything. He just happened to have made a valid observation in science and scientists built their studies around it because it makes sense and the application of evolution can be utulised by scientists on daily basis. None of the scientists have blind faith in Darwinian theories! That is utterly preposterous to suggest!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii No such thing as "Darwinism"? What the hell are you TALKING about?? OF COURSE there is, and YES, people follow him!
What I am talking about when I say Darwinism is his theory (and yes, it is JUST a theory) that development and evolution are due completely to chance factors, without any direction or design. As I said, the ID people are raising MANY difficult questions that make that theory less and less plausible.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 this shows how little you understand Evolution. First and foremost, everything in science is a theory! Theory means explanation of a scientific phenomenon! And Evolution, when it comes to explaining biological diversity on this planet, is the most supported theory due to overwhelming evidence. Evolution is not a philosophy, nor an ideology, nor a life style as you are claiming by the made up term "Darwinism". Just because you believe in some authority and have faith, you think...
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Since I understand so little about evolution and you understand so much, because YOU are so well read and I am such a moron, please explain to me the Cambrian Explosion. THAT ought to keep you up for a while.
LOL! Stupid shit.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 what specific detail do you want to know about Cambrian ecplosion?!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii The Cambrian explosion is a fossil record from around 600 million years ago. Nearly all of the animal phyla appear in the rocks of this period, without a trace of the evolutionary ancestors that Darwin said are required. Explain how that happened.
Also, since you are so well read and I am so dumb, I will ask you a SECOND time to list for me all the hard evidence and examples of one species giving birth to and nurturing another. Use several posts if space requires it.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 first and foremost, I won't bother replying your post for whatever I write you won't be satisfied and call me names anyways. And frankly I care so little about your position on this issue.
Secondly, there is hardly any space to write it all here but the basics of cambrian explosion and the evidence regarding a new species forming is in every evolutionary writing so I suggest you read: The Greatest Show on Earth and/or have a look at talkoriginsdotcom. I just can't waste my time!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Ah, YES!!!!!! You needn't BOTHER to explain it all to me!!! You're just SOOOO high level, and I'm just SOOOO dumb, there's just no need for you to "waste your time" and come down from your high throne to my little piece of gutter. Yes, that is another tactic that you people engage in, as well as telling me to read another book. ANYTHING but give me a straight answer!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 everyone is the same! We, or scientists, do not follow Darwin's theory blindly! They follow it because they see the practical use of it day to day. They can test it. There is heaps evidence also suggest evolution did happen and is happening! ie: flu virus! nuff said!
On the issue of 'evolution works by chance'! Is the biggest bs claim and again shows how little you understand what evolution is. Natural selection does not work based of chance, it works on survival! Read please!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii FUCK YOU, gay asshole!!! I HAVE read!!! And I am QUITE familiar with Darwin's theory of evolution. What I'm telling you, genetic defect, is that there is NO EVIDENCE that one species gives birth to and nurtures another, and that is just ONE of the many problems with Darwin's theory. Going to challenge me on that? Lots of luck.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 how nice of you to call me names and expect a decent answer afterwards as if you are maintaining some sort of civil debate!
Natural selection is the mechanism that allows new species to be born. There are tons of evidence. You say you read about evolution and yet come up with stupid arguments like this. I am done with you. Believe whatever dogma you want to believe. Truth will prevail at the end!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Don't complain to me about name-calling, as you are the one who
started it with your "think" and "read, please" put-downs. You people like to think you are the only ones who read, but I will bet that your critics read far more than you do. I notice this EVERY TIME I pose difficult questions to Darwinists and atheists: Like you are doing, they respond with put-downs, name-calling, and comments like "read a book" - ANYTHING but a direct answer. Happens EVERY TIME.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 You're the genetic defect. How very pious of you to scream Fuck you at people and call them gay assholes!
smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin Hey, I'm just pointing out a 'fact'. Gays constantly tell us that they are gay due to their 'genes', and not due to choice, right? If that's so, it must be due to a genetic defect (mutation), for only a defective gene would spur an organism to avoid procreative sex and instead engage in nonprocreative sex, which in turn would lead to the extinction of the species. Natural selection in action!
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 Scientists tell us that it is due to their genes too... And also, what's your point??
smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin No, they actually DO NOT tell us it is their genes. That is an old idea that has been refuted. Even the APA no longer believes that. Check it out.
But my point is, it is either a choice, or if you are going to look at it from a Darwinistic point of view, then it is a genetic defect. Take your pick.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 Really because a recent experiment by korean geneticists on mice seems to hold promising results...
Also why does it matter if it is a choice or not? Why do you care so much about what people do in their private lives?
smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin PROMISING?!? Promising in what sense?? To prove that homosexuality is genetic? THAT'S your idea of PROMISING???? LOL!!
Ahhhhh!!!!!! So now all of a sudden it DOESN'T MATTER that the gay
problem is "genetic" or not! Believe me, if the results came out the
opposite way, it would be ALL IMPORTANT TO YOU that gay degeneracy
was genetic. You people would be having school kids recite it like
the Pledge of Allegiance. Further example of liberal super-hypocrisy.
Weasler455 1 year ago
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smnSahin 1 year ago
@Weasler455 Um yeah, I would say that identifying and manipulating a gene in mice to make them homosexual is 'promising' research to show that there is a gay gene. But my point is that yeah, it DOESN'T MATTER whether homosexuality is genetic or social, I never claimed that it did matter. It only matters in that tiny fanatical mind of yours... And also why are you appealing to science to try and prove a point while simultaneously rejecting the majority scientific view when it comes to evolution
smnSahin 1 year ago
@smnSahin Majority??? You mean "might makes right"? So much for the "normality" of gay sex, then!
Scientific questions are not decided by "polls" of the democratic process. If they were, how far do you think Copernicus would have gotten?
There is also a gay gene for alcoholism. But neither that nor shit-eating fag sex is good for one's health (The average gay man eats the fecal matter of 35 other gay men. That's "promising" to you?).
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 that's why gays are not majority! They did not prevail due to their none procreativeness! And gaiety happens due to variety of contributors including the way person is brought up etc. There is no choice either case. Ask yourself this question: would I choose to sleep with your same sex if you are actually very very attracted to the opposite sex already?! Why would you want to give up something you desire so much?
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
@Wiilovewii Psychologists like Albert Ellis addressed this question a long time ago. He talked about irrational fears of the opposite sex (heterophobia). In response, the gay community, rather than deal with that fear, turned the whole issue around and came out with the mythical idea of "homophobia". Cute tactic, eh?
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455
I'm glad you noticed this, gays invent the idea of homophobia to throw at people who hate them, what a bunch of dishonest liars. No on hates gays or wants to kill them, it's all propoganda madeup by those who want to break God's rules for their hedonistic pleasures.
eritasevoli 1 year ago
doesn't validate religion one bit. So, in order for us to search for god, for real, we need to get out of religion and search for him/her/it that way!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago
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Weasler455 1 year ago
Harun Yahya's superfluous slur upon Darwin's visage as being "ugly" only shows that Yahya has no argument to refute the writings and conclusions of that great scientific naturalist, Darwin.
One's good looks (or unpleasant looks) have nothing to do with the merits of that person's scientific propositions.
I guess Harun Yahya's mirror is broken?
Turandot29 1 year ago
@Turandot29 He's not saying Darwin's theories are invalid
because he was ugly. He's talking about the references
to him in the Koran.
Weasler455 1 year ago
wow.. look at those statistics.. i wonder where he saw those at.. and i like how the description of the antichrist** is so vague.. he even fits the description.. haha.. great video..
ManuelPagami 1 year ago
You gotta love that guy! He is such a funny fraud, incredible! I almost fell from my chair listening to him :D
Unfortunately, many people believe him... But people believe any kind of bullshit, so now wonder here.
yegorletoff 1 year ago
Total Psycopath. Only in the Islamic World would this person be listened to for more than 10 seconds.
myironlungca 1 year ago 5
@myironlungca Oh, c'mon, in the Christian world we also have quite a few funny guys, like Hovind, Ken Ham etc.
yegorletoff 1 year ago
Fuck Harun Yahya.
I say he is the fraudulent old man.
IShallNotSubmit 1 year ago
Hey, i'd love to have this video as a response to my 'haraun yahya's lies about evolution' video
ExMuslimAli 1 year ago
lol darwin IS ugly
TheHosay 1 year ago
@TheHosay Doesnt do anyting to invalidate his theory of evolution.
BTW, Darwin is not ugly. He was noble human being who loved his family and led a respectable life.
Muhammad was ugly. His actions were demonic. He was a murderer, rapist, child sex abuser, paedophile, genital mutilator, animal sacrificer and a filthy prophet pretender. Now get over it.
SundriedAtheist 1 year ago 7
@SundriedAtheist Darwin was devastated over his daughter's death,
and there is speculation that he produced his lame theory (which has
very little evidence supporting it) in anger against God. Makes a lot of
sense.
Weasler455 1 year ago
Darwin is the greatest man of recent memory
this harun yahya character however is the greatest liar in history, just check out his websites and see what i mean
jigglyfidda125 1 year ago
Harun Yahya is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. He's currently in prison, like many creationist frauds, and has a history of serious criminal activity and sexual deviance....Still he is the voice of 'Islamic science'...Proving once more that there is no debate...Only the idle reckonings of liars, frauds and the educationally sub-normal.
rogan71 1 year ago 4
Hahahahaha. Please, please, bomb them America.
321lawc 1 year ago
The crazy things muslims say.
frid9999 1 year ago
Fuck me, this just makes me really angry.
These people have no idea about who Darwin was or what he believed.
0ptikz 1 year ago
And people wonder what makes a religious interpreter interpreting vague/metaphorical/symbolic text prone to absolute stupidity.
xSilverPhinx 1 year ago
Is it technically possible for more shit to fall from someone's mouth in such a short time?
Haven't the locked this fraud up yet?
rogan71 1 year ago 4
If they locked up frauds, you wouldnt have religion...
godlessmessiah 1 year ago 17
Maybe that's the way to go then...If you get caught lying, you get locked up, or at least outed as a fraud...Then perhaps millions of scientifically illiterate mouth breathers would stop buying Harun Yahya's books....Wishful thinking I know. I totally understand why Dawkins refuses to debate this retard, but I kind if wish he would. If just to embarrass him.
rogan71 1 year ago 4
I would have been epic
emcce69 1 year ago
comment of the week
emcce69 1 year ago