Air Force One Departing Ottawa: ATC Communication

[jklsr55]

Is it the pilots talking back amd forth with atc or part of the communication team onboard?

[FacetiousJosh]

in ICAO "Line up (rwy designator)" is the official terminology. "and wait" is rarely ever used because we try to keep communication simple. When additional information is necessary it is usually something to the effect of "Line up runway 25 Expect immediate departure"

[FlyGuyDL737]

0:00 - 7:21 The USA is doing a good job promoting recycling...

[tmric]

It's not "Air Force One" UNLESS the Commander in Chief is on board. If he's not on-board, it's just an airplane. Any airplane that the President is on board becomes Air Force One.

[hzzlrp10]

@tmric

It's any *Air Force* plane that the President is on that becomes Air Force One. Otherwise it would be the name of the military branch operating the plane and one (I/E Army One, Marine One, Navy One).

If the sitting President should ever fly a civilian aircraft the call sign is Executive One. Thus far this has happened only once, during the Nixon administration.

[MrMexicano83]

Air force one does not need clearing to take off. Air force only needs clearing when the comander in cheif is not on borad

[03Wale]

The FAA now uses line up and wait

[rockymountainsunrise]

an air force one pilot can override a runway security sweep that's already in progress??? isn't that the secret service's call???

[freeportkid]

@rockymountainsunrise if you listen secret service isn't doing the sweep ottawas police or security are he says no need for another one meaning SS probably already did one

[JetA1863]

...sigh I'm trying to comment but they keep coming up blank or stating "Error, try again". Oh well I'll try to comment about the FAASafety.gov notice re: "Position and Hold" later... silly technology

[jeffpope0]

starting to test "line up and wait" at ORD now

[kcibredeib]

Anti-icing fluid type4 100% on the aircraft. Hurry up AF01 the holdovertime is running down.

[rendycs1995]

Red Code, fire on board...

[terryma1215]

Line up and wait?! Oh right, it's Ottawa, not the FAA's Position and hold. Position and hold sounds more professional and formal if you ask me.

[daspidrr]

yeah, i guess it sounds a little more proper, but maybe is just because we're used to.

[Martins219]

It actually makes it easier to understand for pilots from other countries who's first language is not English. Less chance of a runway incursion. It's plain and simple. Unfortunately, professionalism doesn't trump safety and whomever at Transport Canada came up with the wording did so for a reason.

[RVR60000]

@terryma1215 It use be to position and hold; up until few years ago ICAO didn't like it. Line up and wait sounds like instructions you would give to a mentally challenged person. Another odd one is 'When ready decent to....' instead of 'discretion' again its due ICAO.

[colossus3200]

@terryma1215 as of the 30th faa is switching to line up and wait...its from icao

[phildan89]

@terryma1215 Line up and wait is ICAO, the reasoning being that in some locations that used "position and hold" international pilots or people who speak english as a second language mis-heard it as "position and ROLL." How they decided that it was "roll" not "hold" still mystifies me but needless to say it caused a few interesting moments.

[skidrum11]

@phildan89 I though it might have to do with "Hold short" and Position and hold" both having hold

[744PIC]

@terryma1215 "Position and hold" was changed to "line up and wait" in Canada to conform with ICAO phraseology. Standard phraseology at many European airports included phrases like "taxi runway 26L, hold short at holding point B15" – "position and hold" could very easily be misunderstood as "hold short of the runway at the holding point." "Line up and wait" is more descriptive of what the pilot is expected to do – i.e. line up on the runway and wait (for takeoff clearance).

[terryma1215]

@744PIC Yes thanks for the correction. Now the FAA also updated the phraseology to LUAW. The controller cleared AF1 to Andrews, read somewhere in the .65 (FAA document in canada? lol) that the controller shouldn't specify destination in the clearance. Guess that isn't true for Canada?

[freeportkid]

@terryma1215 i just find it funny that AF1 has to wait at all

[matty16666]

@terryma1215 They changed it in canada because, when you say position and hold, there has been times where pilots have thought it was position and role. So they changed it to line up and wait. If you ask me it sounds a lot safer lol

[tyfly867]

@terryma1215 The FAA terminology is now "Line up and wait" as well, per ICAO standarization.