@strokers12345y Karate does not suck, its more like an all rounder, able to use both fists and kicks. Taekwando is a kicking style of martial arts, as such it has the most force in kicks
This is stupid - TKD guy is FASTER & more POWERFUL - but capoeirs guy has better RATIO - who the FUCK cares about ratio??? Who would you fear more - the guy that's faster & and has more power - or the guy with better ratio (((rolls eyes))).
@gomergilligan Exactly. Efficiency =/= Effectiveness. They just tried to make him look good. It's like if the boxer got beaten in the punching challenge —I say 'challenge' because this is BS pseudoscience—, they'd still try and sell to you he has somehow the best punch...because it's all he'd know how to do... so yeah, it is stupid.
@Flash4712 i think its because the front kick is that karate guy's best kick, although its not the most powerful, its the karateka's personal favourite and best kick so you really can't blame him
i also makes diference where it hits on the bag.. so i dunno which is really stronger, but i do practise capoeira, and i can say that this kick he did is really heavy..
They measure the pressure I think. Like in tyres, they measure the pressure in PSI (pounds per square inch). They did the same thing in Rocky IV with Ivan Drago's punch.
@ePakamatches your logic makes sense, but the change in momentum (impulse) which does damage. It wouldn't make sense in this case to measure pressure.
bearing in mind that all the different sports shown have weight classes, the mass of the person is probably relatively constant, the equation F=mA mass in this case is the mass used in the kick, I.E how much body mass is put behind the kick, which depends on the style of kick, which is their independent variable, incidently MrKno don't do anything to do with biolagy in your life,
Weight, muscle mass, and speed still do not make muscles equal. Strength of a muscle depends on its genetics and not everybody has the same genetics. Furthermore its difficult to have everybody give his full strength on one single punch therefore they will never be consistent.
The best technique to have is a good defense. It's nice to be able to deliver strong blows, but if your fast and agile enough to block and dodge your opponents moves then you have the upper hand always. If they can't hit you...they can't really beat you.
Narrator: Although Bren's kick was the most powerful, Lateef's capoeira strike produce the highest ratio of force to velocity. It was the most effective technique. But why?
ninjutsu was and never is going to be used in the ring... Because the martial art is used for war... The military train the soldiers in it all the time. Many police forces are trained in bujinkan ninjutsu. It is never seen in the ring because it isn't made for points or to knock out the next opponent. It is to defeat... (kill) the opponent in order to survive while using the least amount of energy... It is too brutal for a point system or a ring.
@wubs23 To be fair, they are trained in jujitsu, which is the unarmed part of ninjustu, so they ARE actually trained in ninjustu. Judo came from jujitsu and as such, there is still the same essence. In reality, judo isn't as usefull as JJ because it lacks the striking and simple moves JJ has. Also, you don't see Krav Maga nor Aikido in the ring, so it's a bit contradictory from your part.
@AlexLococo no it isnt; it actually was part of the samurai training regiment. anyways, you have a good point with krav maga and aikido. all i cant think about is that they focus more against assaults with weapons, but then why not incorporate moves that are versus unarmed people. you are absolutely right about that part; it is contradictory what i said.
to know which is the most efficient martial art, u should check the mma tourneys, BJJ is the most effective overall, and muay thai is the choice for stand up fights, if you master both, then you are a deaddky weapon
@jitovan perhaps in a ring with rules and officials. In the real world very diffirent story. There is no better than the other, only more practical given the circumstances. MMA is good entertainment, thats all it is though. Big guys hitting and kicking and grappling and thats it. Very little technique, very little dicipline. Its like saying Anderson Silva could beat Musashi Minyamoto if you get what im trying to say
This martial art looks like a dance because slaved africans had to disguise their martial art into a dance. They didnt want their boss to know that they were learning a deadly martial art, or they will be whipped and beaten up to death.
So stop saying this martial art is stupid just because it looks like a dance.
You can settle it like this.... MMA has rules in the ring and in practice. These rules hold back their teachers from showing them other, more lethal moves... End of story. Because, if you were to take away the rules, MMA would become a sport to survive. And survival is everything. Therefore, MMA has rules to keep the sport safe. But if you were take a more traditional WAR martial art (such as ninjutsu), not a sport martial art (such as MMA), and put the 2 in a fight to the death... ninjutsu wins
@labuchness093 Are you some naruto hipster? Ninjutsu isnt even a real fighting style... Show me proof if you have sources otherwise because Im pretty sure ninjutsu was just the name of japanese assassination, not any real FIGHTING technique
are you serious? that is just sad.... First of all, I can't stand naruto, the show is completely fiction and a bunch of entertainment. Ninjutsu has been around for over 1000 years... I have been studying ninjutsu for 10 years myself. Nin mean perseverance and stealth. and Jutsu means technique... If you have never known ninjutsu to be a real fighting style... I pity your intelligence in martial arts.... good god, that is just arrogance... straight up
If this was truly science the same person would be performing the same kick to exclude factors/variables such as kicker's body weight, muscle mass, speed etc...
@xRaIDeNx69 completely agree latif looks a considerable amount bigger muscle wise than the rest meaning more power as they said mass times acceleration, so of course these results will not mesh properly, fun fact though latif played on the protector with tony jaa and simon rhee played in the best of the best one and 2 not sure bout the other guys
@dutchstrongman He isn't actualy that much bigger than the others. He's gained some fat but he still weighs roughly the same as the other men. Out of them all, Bren Foster is the heaviest during this test.
Since when was height and weight enough. I know tons of guys my height/weight who kick harder or less harder than I do.
My point is that you can probably never replicate such a perfect experiment unless you are willing to go through great pains; calling this experiment science is therefore completely bogus.
If they had to present such an data to the scientific community they would be scrutinized to death and ridiculed.
@xRaIDeNx69 Since Weight Classes have existed. Guys the same size can produce a different amount of force based on how hard they train. If they chose people bigger then it will not be an accurate result.
Yes, this show is bullshit.
They are ridiculed, by a lot of people. The Science community doesn't even recognize this show as Scientific.
@xRaIDeNx69 I agree that this experiment was constructed poorly, especially after watching part 2... Still, the physical aspect of it all still remains true with the capoeira guy using his body mass differently than the tkd guy etc. Utilizing the same kick wouldn't really result in accurate numbers since they are trained in different styles meaning their techniques will all be different for their respective practice of the kick.
@yuukikun5 Another factor would also be, as you mentioned, the body weight. They should have picked many fighters in these 4 categories with similar body mass, and they should all have the same kick as their favorite. The karateguys choice of kick is, at least to me, not the greatest since a pushing kind of motion won't generate that much power. They have to consider so many more aspects and factors for this to actually even be recognized at scientific to it's full extent...
@yuukikun5 According to my own scientific experiences I wouldn't consider this experiment that accurate at all since there's simply too many variables to take into consideration like style, weight, favorite kick, the ability to utilize the kick, choosing a kick with a good momentum allowing the support of additional weight which result in an elevated force etc etc. Although it was a pretty cool idea, I give them that ^^
@1979john1979 If i was there i would of told him but im pretty sure he knew he made that mistake they only gave him like two feet of kicking space so shut up
This is stupid. A martial art that focuses more on dance-like moves than actual combat, and a smaller, older man doing a kick that has a whole lot to do with body mass as well as leg strength more than technique, versus a young, strong, championship fighter??? OH YEAH. NOT BIASED AT ALL.
@AlexLococo Spinny flippy jumpy kicks and stuff arent going to do much in a fight unless the person youre fighting doesnt know how to fight or is caught extremely off guard. Capoeira is the "Dance of War." It looks cool, but it isnt necessarily effective in a steet/cage fight, but it may work against other capoeiraistas. I respect all martial arts, I was merely stating my personal opinion on the subject. Shut the fuck up and learn some respect, Im a little more educated than you think I am.
@narwhalsandjuice then the statements of the portuguese about how they needed more than 1 soldier to catch a capoeirista were probably fake, just capoeira propaganda.
@AlexLococo Have you ever watched cops? It takes more than one WELL TRAINED cop to catch a white trash trailer park drunkard. That doesnt mean hes an effective fighter. Id put my money on a Thai boxer any day.
Wait until the mob cotton onto a "side kick" or even a "jumping side kick" where basically your whole body weight is behind the kick and focused at a straight line towards your target! Massive change in momentum and thus big impulse created.
The side kick is an elementary kick taught mainly in traditional TKD (not the olympic/tournament based shit) and other traditional Chinese/Jap styles. It's a fundamental technique that even people in MMA havent cottoned onto yet!
So the moral of this is........ what? Learn capoeira because you never know when a few douche-bags will be jerking a moving platform from underneath while you trying to fight an opponent????? :(
@Kasuh3 They may or may not have a bias or they may just be dumb... but its more likely that they know that most of the people who watch and enjoy this crap are dumb so the producers dont care. They get ratings and the dollars!
Plus they compare different kicks a front kick in karate is not very powerful at all when matched against a roundhouse they need to be impartial In the tests everyone uses the same kick
HMMMM according to Fight Science it doesn't make a difference that TaeKwon-Do kick was better, stronger, faster, Crap-oeira is hidden in a dance !!!!! but wait did u know that it's hidden in-na dance that makes it special !!
This is stupid. Different people doing different kicks each with their own technique. Comparing a front snap kick to turning/roundhouse kicks and labeling that a Karate kick?! Its also a kick in TKD too.
This is what you get when you "Americanize" an art that dates back to ancient times. The thing that is annoying is that the public who dont know better will take this to be the authority on martial arts technique, just like they think MMA is where martial arts is! HA!
@Mthooz I agree with you. Plus does it really matter who's the fastest. You get kicked by either guy...I think it might hurt. I think comparing styles is just stupid. Whatever style you perfect and it saves your-ass in a REAL fight.... then thats the best style. As for this video my favorite Bruce Lee saying "Bags don't kick back"...I'm just saying.
@Mrpreshutchins Even Bruce Lee realized the importance of the side kick. He deliberately sought out Jhoon Rhee (who introduced traditional TKD to USA and which subsequently saw it bastardized into a commercial enterprise) and asked Jhoon to teach him the side kick.
@Mthooz Clearly you didn't see the whole show therefore I excuse your ignorance. Before they kick, each of them are *clearly asked* to use their strongest, best kick. If one of the fighters believes they get more power out of a particular kick, so be it, but they had a choice. So if the karate guy feels he was at a disadvantage, hey, then he should re-think which kick is best...
@Mthooz But i also wouldnt call this another product of Americanization either. Its a bit of a domino effect. Its the misconception of americans, and money that does this. This is a universal issue, and anyone who doesnt understand what practicing a martial art truly means, will have the same problem these guys at national geographic apparently have. Nowadays, people don't even know what MMA really means anymore!
@RogalDorn23 I agree... this phenomenon is often observed when martial arts is turned into either a sport or a commercial enterprise (This is most evident when you look at the WTF Taekwondo system that exists in South Korea and throughout the world). By "Americanization" I'm trying to convey the same thing that exists in other arts. Take the music and entertainment industry. People think that if you don't make the billboard top 100 chart then your music is inferior!
@RogalDorn23 LMAO! I wouldn't say that MMA started with JKD. Yes we all know that Bruce Lee was fascinated by different styles and experimented with them all and incorporated what he could into his repertoire. But JKD is a theoretical system that endorses freedom of one's expression of martial arts.
JKD is truly free in that idealistic sense, whereas MMA (these days as we understand it now) is still very restricted. MMA still needs decades of evolution before it can become JKD.
@Mthooz People may think MMA started from JKD, but in reality MMA started as a competition sport in Europe and Asia before Bruce Lee's time. It became a lucrative business in the USA in the early 1990s as bare knuckle no rules fighting - even street brawlers who had no technique could kick @ss! - a human form of cock fighting. But then more and more rules were implemented.
Everyone wants to put the Bruce Lee name on their product. But trust me! MMA is total BS compared with JKD.
@RogalDorn23 ... My concern is that people who are ignorant about martial arts will think that because someone is not competing in the sport of MMA in the USA it means their martial arts must be inferior.
I agree that only someone who has practiced traditional martial arts can understands it (which includes some MMA fighters). But to me it seems MMA is a jack of all trades/master of none sport. Superior conditioning, sound grappling technique but limited/mediocre strike/self-defense technique.
@Mthooz Oh ok yeah. Well, it was different when UFC was name your style. Gracie would win alot because nobdy really knew bjj at the time, or how to deal with that system of fighting (until really good strikers started surfacing lol). Basically all i'm saying is that UFC has deteriorated over the years....Mainly because of money, competition rules, standards ect. you get the picture. Yes we are agreeing with eachother lol
@RogalDorn23 Yeah I agree. This was inevitable. It was always gonna happen because you can't turn a martial art into a sport without corrupting the martial art. Conditioning becomes more important than technique, self defense techniques are compromised (no eye gauging, no throat attacks, limited elbows, no attacking to the back, no heel kicks to the head, limited pressure point attacks, no manipulation of small joints, etc).
MMA/UFC is pathetic! I'd rather watch boxing and football!
@Mthooz Careful! That last part is just asking for a flame war lol. Actually if anything, you have to be conditioned. Problem is, there are many who lack even that haha. If your looking for something to watch tho, click around and you can find some really good mma fights. Also, ISKA and K1 fights are good to watch especially if you're thinking about competing, but thats all striking.
@RogalDorn23 I used to love watching Hoyce (Royce) Gracie in the 90s... but when he finished that is when UFC died! And I had no more interest in it. I do prefer K1 over UFC!
But really I prefer boxing, football and basketball! (those are real spectator sports! And more technical and scientific)
Why do people always hate on MMA? MMA is just the boiling down of all of the most effective parts of all of the different martial arts and combat sports.
@RaidenTheAlmighty MMA is a sport (like boxing)! - The advantage of MMA practitioners is in their conditioning (strength and cardio) more than their technical skills (which are still mediocre with the exception of some). It is effective in the octagon with rules and restrictions (as a sport)
Is it effective when you are cornered against 4 guys? Is it effective against weapons? When you turn a martial arts into a spectator sport and a business it boils away much of the essence of martial arts.
Lets be brutally honest here, unless you are superman, you probably won't be able to take 4 guys in a fight, regardless of what martial art you train in. You're also totally ignoring the fact that any MMA fighter can learn any technique they want. To act like an MMA fighter would somehow be lost in a street fight because they didn't study the forbidden heart punch in completely ridiculous.
@RaidenTheAlmighty No! My point is that you wont survive against 4 guys if you are focusing on a submission lock on one guy. Grappling only works in one on one fights. With multiple opponents you need to learn affective striking technique and most importantly the ability to escape. Competition or sports based martial arts has little relevance at all to self defense. Some of the most effective self defense moves for the street are banned in MMA because MMA is a sport more than a martial art.
@RaidenTheAlmighty Nothing could stop you from learning any specific move either. The MMA fighters should learn those moves! Useless in their sport but more practical in reality!
@Mthooz I respect every style because its not the style is the practicioner. MMA is not only boxing, wrestling, muay thai, judo and brazilian jiu jitsu. Karate Shotokan from Machida is there, Taekwondo from Pettis and Henderson are there,Savate from Cro Cop, Sambo from Fedor Pankration Shamrock, and soon people will start using Kung Fu, Taichi, Hapkido, Aikido, Hwarangdo and other styles on MMA and it will get bettter. Striking is evolutioning on mma. MMA guys are hard to beat trust me on that.
@fitnessboyPR I dont doubt MMA guys are hard to beat. But I argue that it is due more to their conditioning than their technique. MMA has many more years of evolution before it can use traditional styles effectively. At the moment it is still rather a crude form of martial arts that resembles more street brawling than effective self defense. It is still too much of a business and a sport. MMA is a McMartial Art (as they say!)
@Mthooz Tes striking in MMA is still evolutioning but theres a couple of great strikers there, anderson silva, anthony pettis, machida to name a few. But yeah striking specialist would beat almost a=every mma fighter in a striking match, but when it comes to realitygrappling in MMA is lethel, the big skills on MMA are Wrestling, brazilian JiuJitsu, Judo, Ground and Pound. They have great conditioning, I would say what makes them hard to beat is conditioning and ground game
The first test it was good real and exciting but the second one who will trhow a kick when fighting in a place shaking like that, of curse no body!! In a place like that you'll use your hands or grapple never kick or knee
They shouldn't be measuring the power of the kicks, but they should be measuring the effectiveness of the kicks. Power is always the last thing you think of when in a fight.
Fight Science and Sports Science has always been a numbers show. All shit, and there are people who are dumbassed enough to believe these shows. They live by numbers, not realism.
not only that, they don't seem to consider the relativity of the bag movement on the moving plat form. these guys just don't know anything about science to begin with.........
the capoiera wasn't effective just cause it got more power versus speed. it just that the kick lies the body into it more, which means more mass, but also more recoil. are these 'professionals' on crack or something?
WEAK front kick! Puts it to shame, but we all know that there's nothing scientific about this. This is really only a comparison of the "fighters" not the styles, or even the kicks themselves... AHAHAHAHAHA "the most effect kick..." Not when it's the slowest... Lateef or whateverthefuck.
Also, weight is very important to this question, and they are all not in the same level.. also when the floor started moving, and the punching bag was shaking, if the kicked while the punching bag was moving their way the impact was stronger, and if it moved the other way the impact was smaller.. and more and more.. so what I am saying that there is no such thing as a greater martial arts or kicks and fight science are idiots. Good day
@talsela11 Actually, they are all the same weight and even close in heights. Simon Rhee is 5'8-5'9" and Bren Foster is 5'11" and they all weight 180lbs.
That TV show has nothing to do with science or fighting: 1) The Karate kick might be less powerfull, but its power focused on a smaller area which mean its hearts more. more then that because its a strait kick the leg absorb less of the shock, and that why the monitor show less power.2) the muay thay kick, this kick unless the two other kicks hits the enemy with the chin, and not with the foot, and the lever is smaller which means less power but because its a sharper area that hearts more.
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power or what
Roundline 4 days ago
TEAEKWONDO BEST KICK EVER
thomas45740 1 week ago
but do all of the guys weigh the same. mass matters
sexybeastofkonoha 2 weeks ago
KARATE SUCKS
strokers12345y 2 weeks ago
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@strokers12345y Karate does not suck, its more like an all rounder, able to use both fists and kicks. Taekwando is a kicking style of martial arts, as such it has the most force in kicks
Uverworldfanz 2 days ago
240p..we meet again..
BryanKan01 2 weeks ago
Chuck Norris would have destroyed that punchbag lol
BubuSnow93 2 weeks ago
@BubuSnow93
Chuck Norris is a fag with a mocked up cowboy hairdo...lol
zelhalabi1 1 day ago
More speed = less force. Less speed + more concentration = more force. Unless you are blind, you can understand that.
MrMessiterry 3 weeks ago
@MrMessiterry speed is mass x accelaration so speed is a way to make punches harder
elmoskater 1 week ago
This is stupid - TKD guy is FASTER & more POWERFUL - but capoeirs guy has better RATIO - who the FUCK cares about ratio??? Who would you fear more - the guy that's faster & and has more power - or the guy with better ratio (((rolls eyes))).
gomergilligan 3 weeks ago
@gomergilligan Exactly. Efficiency =/= Effectiveness. They just tried to make him look good. It's like if the boxer got beaten in the punching challenge —I say 'challenge' because this is BS pseudoscience—, they'd still try and sell to you he has somehow the best punch...because it's all he'd know how to do... so yeah, it is stupid.
ratonL 3 weeks ago
@ratonL boxers do have the best and hardest punchers so youhe wouldnt be beatenn anyway
elmoskater 1 week ago
The Karatist should have used MAWASHI GERI!
Flash4712 4 weeks ago
@Flash4712 i think its because the front kick is that karate guy's best kick, although its not the most powerful, its the karateka's personal favourite and best kick so you really can't blame him
wantonmee23 3 weeks ago
Lol they said its a more effective kick...
cre105 1 month ago
Not even a decent roundhouse...he didn't even half pivot...
najee786 1 month ago
i wonder what the heavyweights like badr hari or peter aerts would score in these tests
AnusMcFeggot 1 month ago
@GamersHaveALife surely not more than Couture ;)
MrVesa92 1 month ago
i also makes diference where it hits on the bag.. so i dunno which is really stronger, but i do practise capoeira, and i can say that this kick he did is really heavy..
caioasump 1 month ago
wouldn't the force be different if the bag was leaning towards or away from the kicker when he kicked it?
spncer1 1 month ago
was this in hd?
spncer1 1 month ago
In case nobody knows, Simon there is Dae Han from Best of the Best ;) Not a guy you want to mess with. Brother of philip rhee.
shadowfangize 1 month ago
they should have all done the same kick. Also people with the same bodytype, mass, height ect...
tysongriffen 1 month ago
มวยไทยเตะซีโครงหัก
andyJoestunt 1 month ago
@andyJoestunt I love thailand
LtActionCam 1 month ago
What about Bruce Lee's kick?
nguyenboy1 1 month ago
@nguyenboy1 Bruce Lee is fucking dead, let the guy rest in peace.
Nightrazr 1 month ago
also weird that they measure force in lb rather than N, lb is a measure of mass
mmmusker 1 month ago
@mmmusker
They measure the pressure I think. Like in tyres, they measure the pressure in PSI (pounds per square inch). They did the same thing in Rocky IV with Ivan Drago's punch.
ePakamatches 1 month ago
@ePakamatches your logic makes sense, but the change in momentum (impulse) which does damage. It wouldn't make sense in this case to measure pressure.
mmmusker 1 month ago
bearing in mind that all the different sports shown have weight classes, the mass of the person is probably relatively constant, the equation F=mA mass in this case is the mass used in the kick, I.E how much body mass is put behind the kick, which depends on the style of kick, which is their independent variable, incidently MrKno don't do anything to do with biolagy in your life,
mmmusker 1 month ago
@GamersHaveALife : haha, keep it up bro... :p
tirtashintaro 1 month ago
@GamersHaveALife : dude, you're totally a keyboard warrior... lol :p
tirtashintaro 1 month ago
Weight, muscle mass, and speed still do not make muscles equal. Strength of a muscle depends on its genetics and not everybody has the same genetics. Furthermore its difficult to have everybody give his full strength on one single punch therefore they will never be consistent.
MrKno3 2 months ago
@GamersHaveALife You're full of shit. By the way, Bren Fosters hardest punch is 2,400 and his hardest kick went over 4,000.
MrDeanbeans 2 months ago 6
@MrDeanbeans is there a video of bren forsters 2400 pucnh and 4000 kick ? and if so send a link
elmoskater 1 week ago
real traditional muay thai fighters fucks shit up
not MMA fighters
freakyzoid108 2 months ago
Really the front kick is the hardest kick for the karate guy
newbielives 2 months ago
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PolarisGrace 2 months ago
@GamersHaveALife Less then Bren
ImAliveAgain2k11 2 months ago
@GamersHaveALife me too
Heartless409 2 months ago
The karate guy picked the worst kick.
Azula1001 2 months ago
This is beyond retarded.
andrew31593 2 months ago 2
The best technique to have is a good defense. It's nice to be able to deliver strong blows, but if your fast and agile enough to block and dodge your opponents moves then you have the upper hand always. If they can't hit you...they can't really beat you.
lattask8er 2 months ago
Narrator: Although Bren's kick was the most powerful, Lateef's capoeira strike produce the highest ratio of force to velocity. It was the most effective technique. But why?
My answer: cuz' he's black.
2deathmoons 2 months ago
yeah sure. if it's really that deadly of a martial art, why dont you see any of it in the ring? oh yeah - it doesnt work.
wubs23 2 months ago
@wubs23
ninjutsu was and never is going to be used in the ring... Because the martial art is used for war... The military train the soldiers in it all the time. Many police forces are trained in bujinkan ninjutsu. It is never seen in the ring because it isn't made for points or to knock out the next opponent. It is to defeat... (kill) the opponent in order to survive while using the least amount of energy... It is too brutal for a point system or a ring.
labuchness093 2 months ago
@labuchness093 no, it simply doesn't work. police forces arent trained in ninjitsu, but in a mix between krav maga, judo and aikido.
wubs23 2 months ago
@wubs23 To be fair, they are trained in jujitsu, which is the unarmed part of ninjustu, so they ARE actually trained in ninjustu. Judo came from jujitsu and as such, there is still the same essence. In reality, judo isn't as usefull as JJ because it lacks the striking and simple moves JJ has. Also, you don't see Krav Maga nor Aikido in the ring, so it's a bit contradictory from your part.
AlexLococo 2 months ago
@AlexLococo no it isnt; it actually was part of the samurai training regiment. anyways, you have a good point with krav maga and aikido. all i cant think about is that they focus more against assaults with weapons, but then why not incorporate moves that are versus unarmed people. you are absolutely right about that part; it is contradictory what i said.
wubs23 2 months ago
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Gisse182 2 months ago
They should've excluded karate and used kung fu and savate instead.
AlexLococo 2 months ago
to know which is the most efficient martial art, u should check the mma tourneys, BJJ is the most effective overall, and muay thai is the choice for stand up fights, if you master both, then you are a deaddky weapon
jitovan 2 months ago
@jitovan perhaps in a ring with rules and officials. In the real world very diffirent story. There is no better than the other, only more practical given the circumstances. MMA is good entertainment, thats all it is though. Big guys hitting and kicking and grappling and thats it. Very little technique, very little dicipline. Its like saying Anderson Silva could beat Musashi Minyamoto if you get what im trying to say
dan16387 2 months ago
This martial art looks like a dance because slaved africans had to disguise their martial art into a dance. They didnt want their boss to know that they were learning a deadly martial art, or they will be whipped and beaten up to death.
So stop saying this martial art is stupid just because it looks like a dance.
Leendoncasti 2 months ago
Are you guys scientists? if not then just STFU!
renziegwapo 2 months ago
this is bullshit - more speed is more effective with those force!
MrJuls09 2 months ago
You can settle it like this.... MMA has rules in the ring and in practice. These rules hold back their teachers from showing them other, more lethal moves... End of story. Because, if you were to take away the rules, MMA would become a sport to survive. And survival is everything. Therefore, MMA has rules to keep the sport safe. But if you were take a more traditional WAR martial art (such as ninjutsu), not a sport martial art (such as MMA), and put the 2 in a fight to the death... ninjutsu wins
labuchness093 2 months ago
@labuchness093 Are you some naruto hipster? Ninjutsu isnt even a real fighting style... Show me proof if you have sources otherwise because Im pretty sure ninjutsu was just the name of japanese assassination, not any real FIGHTING technique
RighteousRetribution 2 months ago
@RighteousRetribution
are you serious? that is just sad.... First of all, I can't stand naruto, the show is completely fiction and a bunch of entertainment. Ninjutsu has been around for over 1000 years... I have been studying ninjutsu for 10 years myself. Nin mean perseverance and stealth. and Jutsu means technique... If you have never known ninjutsu to be a real fighting style... I pity your intelligence in martial arts.... good god, that is just arrogance... straight up
labuchness093 2 months ago
good for know the strong
hvatrex 2 months ago
who the fuck fight during a earthquake ?? is there some special place where i can spar and the ground moves ????
hope4ninja 3 months ago
FAIL
elamo66 3 months ago
Science my ass.
If this was truly science the same person would be performing the same kick to exclude factors/variables such as kicker's body weight, muscle mass, speed etc...
xRaIDeNx69 3 months ago 64
@xRaIDeNx69 Yea fight science is just for entertainment lol
jsung8070 2 months ago
@xRaIDeNx69 I believe they chose fighters of the same weight,,, If not their choises might have been more known...
TwoFacedSOUP 2 months ago
@xRaIDeNx69 Yes good idea, not
Because one guy isn't master of all the kicks equally
ImAliveAgain2k11 2 months ago
@ImAliveAgain2k11
I know, hence why you cannot make such a comparasion in the first place which was exactly my point!
With such variables you cannot even come up with an acceptable/accurate conclusion.
xRaIDeNx69 2 months ago
@xRaIDeNx69 completely agree latif looks a considerable amount bigger muscle wise than the rest meaning more power as they said mass times acceleration, so of course these results will not mesh properly, fun fact though latif played on the protector with tony jaa and simon rhee played in the best of the best one and 2 not sure bout the other guys
dutchstrongman 2 months ago
@dutchstrongman He isn't actualy that much bigger than the others. He's gained some fat but he still weighs roughly the same as the other men. Out of them all, Bren Foster is the heaviest during this test.
MrDeanbeans 2 months ago 5
@xRaIDeNx69 ...experience...
plumpnation 2 months ago
@xRaIDeNx69 Yes unfortunately they need someone who excels in all forms, not just one. Thats why those chose 4 men who are the exact same size.
Lateef = 5'10" 180lbs
Foster = 5'10" 185lbs
Kurtovic = 5'11" 180lbs
Rhee = 5'9" 180lbs
MrDeanbeans 2 months ago 3
@MrDeanbeans
Since when was height and weight enough. I know tons of guys my height/weight who kick harder or less harder than I do.
My point is that you can probably never replicate such a perfect experiment unless you are willing to go through great pains; calling this experiment science is therefore completely bogus.
If they had to present such an data to the scientific community they would be scrutinized to death and ridiculed.
xRaIDeNx69 2 months ago
@xRaIDeNx69 Since Weight Classes have existed. Guys the same size can produce a different amount of force based on how hard they train. If they chose people bigger then it will not be an accurate result.
Yes, this show is bullshit.
They are ridiculed, by a lot of people. The Science community doesn't even recognize this show as Scientific.
MrDeanbeans 2 months ago 2
@xRaIDeNx69 I agree that this experiment was constructed poorly, especially after watching part 2... Still, the physical aspect of it all still remains true with the capoeira guy using his body mass differently than the tkd guy etc. Utilizing the same kick wouldn't really result in accurate numbers since they are trained in different styles meaning their techniques will all be different for their respective practice of the kick.
yuukikun5 1 month ago
@yuukikun5 Another factor would also be, as you mentioned, the body weight. They should have picked many fighters in these 4 categories with similar body mass, and they should all have the same kick as their favorite. The karateguys choice of kick is, at least to me, not the greatest since a pushing kind of motion won't generate that much power. They have to consider so many more aspects and factors for this to actually even be recognized at scientific to it's full extent...
yuukikun5 1 month ago
@yuukikun5 According to my own scientific experiences I wouldn't consider this experiment that accurate at all since there's simply too many variables to take into consideration like style, weight, favorite kick, the ability to utilize the kick, choosing a kick with a good momentum allowing the support of additional weight which result in an elevated force etc etc. Although it was a pretty cool idea, I give them that ^^
yuukikun5 1 month ago
Bren looked like he barely put any effort in lol
stephenwharton1 3 months ago
Stupid ass shit.
1979john1979 3 months ago
the muy tai guy didnt do the step they teach you in training. if he did he would probably got 40 more pounds of force
isk8erboi 3 months ago
@isk8erboi Yeah you should fight him. Teach him how to kick. Can i watch?
1979john1979 3 months ago
@1979john1979 If i was there i would of told him but im pretty sure he knew he made that mistake they only gave him like two feet of kicking space so shut up
isk8erboi 3 months ago
No matter what the maths, I wouldn't want any of these people kicking me in the ribs.
RDRalltheway 3 months ago
This is stupid. A martial art that focuses more on dance-like moves than actual combat, and a smaller, older man doing a kick that has a whole lot to do with body mass as well as leg strength more than technique, versus a young, strong, championship fighter??? OH YEAH. NOT BIASED AT ALL.
narwhalsandjuice 3 months ago 4
@narwhalsandjuice Capoeira helped brazil gain it's independence, shut the fuck up and learn respect, it does actually focuses on combat.
AlexLococo 2 months ago
@AlexLococo Spinny flippy jumpy kicks and stuff arent going to do much in a fight unless the person youre fighting doesnt know how to fight or is caught extremely off guard. Capoeira is the "Dance of War." It looks cool, but it isnt necessarily effective in a steet/cage fight, but it may work against other capoeiraistas. I respect all martial arts, I was merely stating my personal opinion on the subject. Shut the fuck up and learn some respect, Im a little more educated than you think I am.
narwhalsandjuice 2 months ago
@narwhalsandjuice then the statements of the portuguese about how they needed more than 1 soldier to catch a capoeirista were probably fake, just capoeira propaganda.
AlexLococo 2 months ago
@AlexLococo Have you ever watched cops? It takes more than one WELL TRAINED cop to catch a white trash trailer park drunkard. That doesnt mean hes an effective fighter. Id put my money on a Thai boxer any day.
narwhalsandjuice 2 months ago
of course the ground is gonna be moving when u fight someone it happens to me all the time and they should have all done the same kick!
gronkmaster 3 months ago
thats Eddie Gordo lol
crymetyme57 3 months ago
can you buy seasons of this ?
1hisfreshness 3 months ago
who fights when theres an earthquake seriously ?
springfieldlakes 3 months ago
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They should choose Buakaw for Muay Thai instead of that guy o_O
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danielazim3 3 months ago
I agree, but WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF LATEEFS KICK?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
alanhuynh2000 3 months ago
Hey! It's Eddy from Tekken XD
shikoco 3 months ago 2
"scientists" - when the fuckin bag is moving towards the kick, the power is more, when away, its less! duh! get admission in school again!
devilninjas 3 months ago
~ Wth ? Who Would Fight On An Unstable/Moving Platform Or Ground ? -__-
MikhailxSouthpaw 3 months ago
Wait until the mob cotton onto a "side kick" or even a "jumping side kick" where basically your whole body weight is behind the kick and focused at a straight line towards your target! Massive change in momentum and thus big impulse created.
The side kick is an elementary kick taught mainly in traditional TKD (not the olympic/tournament based shit) and other traditional Chinese/Jap styles. It's a fundamental technique that even people in MMA havent cottoned onto yet!
Mthooz 3 months ago
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obb207 3 months ago
So the moral of this is........ what? Learn capoeira because you never know when a few douche-bags will be jerking a moving platform from underneath while you trying to fight an opponent????? :(
Mrpreshutchins 3 months ago 17
I feel the producers have a bias in this episode
Kasuh3 3 months ago
@Kasuh3 They may or may not have a bias or they may just be dumb... but its more likely that they know that most of the people who watch and enjoy this crap are dumb so the producers dont care. They get ratings and the dollars!
Mthooz 3 months ago
i love this.. it's not realistic to have a positioned enemy in fight... but it's ok to have a FU**IN MOVING platform :D
TheKuracnaovci 3 months ago
Taekwondo the best
twiligthvampire89 3 months ago
My question is, how could Lateef violate the laws of physics?
planetofthescums 3 months ago
Ta Kwon Do is a deadly force for over 1000 years 1 hit on you boom see you at heaven no joking go google see old news about this.
tamweiwen 4 months ago
so i should study capeoira incase i have to defend myself from an attacker while in an earthquake?
Kyle17880000 4 months ago
EARTQUAKE!
aslacuentayya 4 months ago
Plus they compare different kicks a front kick in karate is not very powerful at all when matched against a roundhouse they need to be impartial In the tests everyone uses the same kick
takeuon24 4 months ago
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encurdado 4 months ago
Psuedo-science bullshit!
sevensixtwomm 4 months ago
HMMMM according to Fight Science it doesn't make a difference that TaeKwon-Do kick was better, stronger, faster, Crap-oeira is hidden in a dance !!!!! but wait did u know that it's hidden in-na dance that makes it special !!
kgl4606 4 months ago
This is stupid. Different people doing different kicks each with their own technique. Comparing a front snap kick to turning/roundhouse kicks and labeling that a Karate kick?! Its also a kick in TKD too.
This is what you get when you "Americanize" an art that dates back to ancient times. The thing that is annoying is that the public who dont know better will take this to be the authority on martial arts technique, just like they think MMA is where martial arts is! HA!
Mthooz 4 months ago 52
@Mthooz Amen brother :)
MrMuaythaimitko 3 months ago
@Mthooz I agree with you. Plus does it really matter who's the fastest. You get kicked by either guy...I think it might hurt. I think comparing styles is just stupid. Whatever style you perfect and it saves your-ass in a REAL fight.... then thats the best style. As for this video my favorite Bruce Lee saying "Bags don't kick back"...I'm just saying.
Mrpreshutchins 3 months ago
@Mrpreshutchins Even Bruce Lee realized the importance of the side kick. He deliberately sought out Jhoon Rhee (who introduced traditional TKD to USA and which subsequently saw it bastardized into a commercial enterprise) and asked Jhoon to teach him the side kick.
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz Clearly you didn't see the whole show therefore I excuse your ignorance. Before they kick, each of them are *clearly asked* to use their strongest, best kick. If one of the fighters believes they get more power out of a particular kick, so be it, but they had a choice. So if the karate guy feels he was at a disadvantage, hey, then he should re-think which kick is best...
rickydsf 3 months ago
@rickydsf That would mean that this is just a test of who can kick the hardest... If so then who cares!
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz No, this is what you get when ignorance and ego have access to cameras and a tv show....
RogalDorn23 3 months ago
@RogalDorn23 I agree... and we all know where to go if we wanna be on the big screen to inflate our egos!
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz Well you certainly dont need that to enflate ego.....
RogalDorn23 3 months ago
@Mthooz But i also wouldnt call this another product of Americanization either. Its a bit of a domino effect. Its the misconception of americans, and money that does this. This is a universal issue, and anyone who doesnt understand what practicing a martial art truly means, will have the same problem these guys at national geographic apparently have. Nowadays, people don't even know what MMA really means anymore!
RogalDorn23 3 months ago
@RogalDorn23 I agree... this phenomenon is often observed when martial arts is turned into either a sport or a commercial enterprise (This is most evident when you look at the WTF Taekwondo system that exists in South Korea and throughout the world). By "Americanization" I'm trying to convey the same thing that exists in other arts. Take the music and entertainment industry. People think that if you don't make the billboard top 100 chart then your music is inferior!
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Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz Hell, MMA actually first started with Jeet Kune Do, which alot of people dont seem to realize xP
RogalDorn23 3 months ago
@RogalDorn23 LMAO! I wouldn't say that MMA started with JKD. Yes we all know that Bruce Lee was fascinated by different styles and experimented with them all and incorporated what he could into his repertoire. But JKD is a theoretical system that endorses freedom of one's expression of martial arts.
JKD is truly free in that idealistic sense, whereas MMA (these days as we understand it now) is still very restricted. MMA still needs decades of evolution before it can become JKD.
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz People may think MMA started from JKD, but in reality MMA started as a competition sport in Europe and Asia before Bruce Lee's time. It became a lucrative business in the USA in the early 1990s as bare knuckle no rules fighting - even street brawlers who had no technique could kick @ss! - a human form of cock fighting. But then more and more rules were implemented.
Everyone wants to put the Bruce Lee name on their product. But trust me! MMA is total BS compared with JKD.
Mthooz 3 months ago
@RogalDorn23 ... My concern is that people who are ignorant about martial arts will think that because someone is not competing in the sport of MMA in the USA it means their martial arts must be inferior.
I agree that only someone who has practiced traditional martial arts can understands it (which includes some MMA fighters). But to me it seems MMA is a jack of all trades/master of none sport. Superior conditioning, sound grappling technique but limited/mediocre strike/self-defense technique.
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz Oh ok yeah. Well, it was different when UFC was name your style. Gracie would win alot because nobdy really knew bjj at the time, or how to deal with that system of fighting (until really good strikers started surfacing lol). Basically all i'm saying is that UFC has deteriorated over the years....Mainly because of money, competition rules, standards ect. you get the picture. Yes we are agreeing with eachother lol
RogalDorn23 3 months ago
@RogalDorn23 Yeah I agree. This was inevitable. It was always gonna happen because you can't turn a martial art into a sport without corrupting the martial art. Conditioning becomes more important than technique, self defense techniques are compromised (no eye gauging, no throat attacks, limited elbows, no attacking to the back, no heel kicks to the head, limited pressure point attacks, no manipulation of small joints, etc).
MMA/UFC is pathetic! I'd rather watch boxing and football!
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz Careful! That last part is just asking for a flame war lol. Actually if anything, you have to be conditioned. Problem is, there are many who lack even that haha. If your looking for something to watch tho, click around and you can find some really good mma fights. Also, ISKA and K1 fights are good to watch especially if you're thinking about competing, but thats all striking.
RogalDorn23 3 months ago
@RogalDorn23 I used to love watching Hoyce (Royce) Gracie in the 90s... but when he finished that is when UFC died! And I had no more interest in it. I do prefer K1 over UFC!
But really I prefer boxing, football and basketball! (those are real spectator sports! And more technical and scientific)
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz I totally agree with you. 3 other styles are kicking with their instep but not Karate guy. What stupid test is this!
espg4 3 months ago
Why do people always hate on MMA? MMA is just the boiling down of all of the most effective parts of all of the different martial arts and combat sports.
RaidenTheAlmighty 3 months ago
@RaidenTheAlmighty MMA is a sport (like boxing)! - The advantage of MMA practitioners is in their conditioning (strength and cardio) more than their technical skills (which are still mediocre with the exception of some). It is effective in the octagon with rules and restrictions (as a sport)
Is it effective when you are cornered against 4 guys? Is it effective against weapons? When you turn a martial arts into a spectator sport and a business it boils away much of the essence of martial arts.
Mthooz 3 months ago
Lets be brutally honest here, unless you are superman, you probably won't be able to take 4 guys in a fight, regardless of what martial art you train in. You're also totally ignoring the fact that any MMA fighter can learn any technique they want. To act like an MMA fighter would somehow be lost in a street fight because they didn't study the forbidden heart punch in completely ridiculous.
RaidenTheAlmighty 3 months ago
@RaidenTheAlmighty No! My point is that you wont survive against 4 guys if you are focusing on a submission lock on one guy. Grappling only works in one on one fights. With multiple opponents you need to learn affective striking technique and most importantly the ability to escape. Competition or sports based martial arts has little relevance at all to self defense. Some of the most effective self defense moves for the street are banned in MMA because MMA is a sport more than a martial art.
Mthooz 3 months ago
The thing is, MMA isn't one style. Nothing could stop and MMA fighter from learning any specific move they wanted.
RaidenTheAlmighty 3 months ago
@RaidenTheAlmighty Nothing could stop you from learning any specific move either. The MMA fighters should learn those moves! Useless in their sport but more practical in reality!
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz They probably do learn them. They just dont use them in the ring...
narwhalsandjuice 3 months ago
@Mthooz as true as it can get. Maegeri versus a kick that throws the full bodyweight in.... WTF
shinobisauren 3 months ago
@Mthooz Well said. Comparing martial arts (what they do here in this show) is wrong, because there is no better martial art, but better warrior.
GuitarDestroyer77777 3 months ago
@Mthooz I respect every style because its not the style is the practicioner. MMA is not only boxing, wrestling, muay thai, judo and brazilian jiu jitsu. Karate Shotokan from Machida is there, Taekwondo from Pettis and Henderson are there,Savate from Cro Cop, Sambo from Fedor Pankration Shamrock, and soon people will start using Kung Fu, Taichi, Hapkido, Aikido, Hwarangdo and other styles on MMA and it will get bettter. Striking is evolutioning on mma. MMA guys are hard to beat trust me on that.
fitnessboyPR 3 months ago
@fitnessboyPR I dont doubt MMA guys are hard to beat. But I argue that it is due more to their conditioning than their technique. MMA has many more years of evolution before it can use traditional styles effectively. At the moment it is still rather a crude form of martial arts that resembles more street brawling than effective self defense. It is still too much of a business and a sport. MMA is a McMartial Art (as they say!)
Mthooz 3 months ago
@Mthooz Tes striking in MMA is still evolutioning but theres a couple of great strikers there, anderson silva, anthony pettis, machida to name a few. But yeah striking specialist would beat almost a=every mma fighter in a striking match, but when it comes to realitygrappling in MMA is lethel, the big skills on MMA are Wrestling, brazilian JiuJitsu, Judo, Ground and Pound. They have great conditioning, I would say what makes them hard to beat is conditioning and ground game
fitnessboyPR 3 months ago
@fitnessboyPR I agree! Their ground game is good.
Mthooz 3 months ago
The first test it was good real and exciting but the second one who will trhow a kick when fighting in a place shaking like that, of curse no body!! In a place like that you'll use your hands or grapple never kick or knee
fitnessboyPR 3 months ago
@Mthooz MMA is the future of marial arts.
Must suck being wrong.
plaparen 3 months ago
@plaparen I agree... but what they call MMA in the future will look nothing like what you see on MMA now.
Mthooz 3 months ago
@plaparen MMA a bunch of a fucking red necks rolling about on the floor one of the most boring things I have ever watched.
ROGERDERBY 2 months ago
@ROGERDERBY And their devout fans are some of the most ignorant and insecure people I know.
Mthooz 2 months ago
@Mthooz MMA is a fucking a joke.
ROGERDERBY 2 months ago
@ROGERDERBY Agreed!
Mthooz 2 months ago
I do taekwondo
Ruslan4021 4 months ago
They're comparing different kind of kicks and how fast they do, i don't know why people is complaining.
MrTaker1991 4 months ago
OMG i must seek more of this TAEKWONDO !!
GamingPro2 4 months ago
They shouldn't be measuring the power of the kicks, but they should be measuring the effectiveness of the kicks. Power is always the last thing you think of when in a fight.
Fight Science and Sports Science has always been a numbers show. All shit, and there are people who are dumbassed enough to believe these shows. They live by numbers, not realism.
hazza3 4 months ago
not only that, they don't seem to consider the relativity of the bag movement on the moving plat form. these guys just don't know anything about science to begin with.........
thelegendxp 4 months ago
the capoiera wasn't effective just cause it got more power versus speed. it just that the kick lies the body into it more, which means more mass, but also more recoil. are these 'professionals' on crack or something?
thelegendxp 4 months ago
LOL wtf, a moving platform? Hardly realistic. How about they try a randomly moving kicking bag instead.
133j0hn 4 months ago
WEAK front kick! Puts it to shame, but we all know that there's nothing scientific about this. This is really only a comparison of the "fighters" not the styles, or even the kicks themselves... AHAHAHAHAHA "the most effect kick..." Not when it's the slowest... Lateef or whateverthefuck.
aaronscrewme 4 months ago
Also, weight is very important to this question, and they are all not in the same level.. also when the floor started moving, and the punching bag was shaking, if the kicked while the punching bag was moving their way the impact was stronger, and if it moved the other way the impact was smaller.. and more and more.. so what I am saying that there is no such thing as a greater martial arts or kicks and fight science are idiots. Good day
talsela11 4 months ago
@talsela11 Actually, they are all the same weight and even close in heights. Simon Rhee is 5'8-5'9" and Bren Foster is 5'11" and they all weight 180lbs.
hazza3 4 months ago
That TV show has nothing to do with science or fighting: 1) The Karate kick might be less powerfull, but its power focused on a smaller area which mean its hearts more. more then that because its a strait kick the leg absorb less of the shock, and that why the monitor show less power.2) the muay thay kick, this kick unless the two other kicks hits the enemy with the chin, and not with the foot, and the lever is smaller which means less power but because its a sharper area that hearts more.
talsela11 4 months ago
Come on, the second stage was set up to favor capoeira...
NikosIbanezRG 4 months ago
what's the name of this episode?
axxowii 4 months ago
@axxowii its called fight science... it comes on nat geo channel
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