LISTEN: When the modern spoiled brat protests against the typical punishments of today (be it confiscating their Playstation Portable for a time, or confining them to their room for a time as well), please, show them this video and others like it.
Tell them, "This is what your 4th-great-grandparents probably had to go through as kids. They were hence more grateful for what little they had. How would you feel about your life if you lived with them?"
Conversation bewteen a 12 year old boy and his mother, one in 1911 another in 2011. In 1911: After a bad case of pneumonia, son says "Mom, I am sorry I had pneumonia. I will work twice as hard to make up for it." Mother says "Please son do not go out in the rain and sell papers." Son walks out the door and says "I love you mom." In 2011: While playing a computer game, son says, "Mom why didn't you cut the crust off my bread? Mother says "I am sorry" Son replies "Damn you!!"
This generation raised the greatest generation "WW2". Then the greatest generation raised the worest generation "The Baby Boomers. The greatest generation asked for nothing. The Baby boomers believe they did everything first and feel they are intitled to everything. "The Baby Boomers" raised the lost generation and now we have no clue.
@TheSeer101 Let's not forget that the "greatest generation," after going through the depression and the war, were often anxious, bitter, and angry, in many cases psychologically damaged from having grown up in poverty, or from serving in the war. Then during the post-war prosperity these people's kids (the "baby-boomers") got confused by the fact that so much was available and so much was happening, yet people's parents seemed so "up-tight" and stern. Young people like to feel happy.
@counterstriving I agree, point well put. Although the baby boomers where often spoiled and lead to believe they were the smartest and greatest of all. Now my generation was super spoiled and lead to believe we were absolutely amazing. The new generation just can't figure out why they havent been discovered by some reality show lol
I personally don't have a problem with children having a job such as a paper route, mowing lawns(spring & summer), raking leaves(fall), shoveling snowy sidewalks(winter), having a lemonade stand, and things like that. But working in a factory or a mine is not right for a child. How many children died from working in such conditions back then? How many developed health problems later in life? The problem is people take things to extremes on both sides, can we not find a middle road on any issue?
@dragonseyeangie Some people say "well children had always worked hard on the farm anyway," and that's true, but the factories and mines of that era were a different story, long hours, bad ventilation, minimal pay, and the workers' living conditions were lousy. There really is such a thing as exploitation.
Unfortunately the answer to your excellent question about middle ground is NO, and that's an understatement.
I think kids now a days need to see this and learn about how it was for children in the turn of the century! Maybe they would have a greater apreacation of how good they have it. :)
@MrDrummerman11 Thank you!! You took the words right out of my mouth. And I agree with TheSeer101 too in a sense, it seems all the problems we have today now that I think about it were caused by the baby boomers. This current financial mess, wars and declining culture (look at the cartoons kids are generally stuck with today, and the shows adults are glued to as examples), seems to have started all by the baby boomers.
Ours has become the great enabling society where all is forgiven, all is supported, and all is tolerated at any price. When we give to one, we take from another. That is the sin of socialism.
I went through a lot in my life. We the people are wrong for shielding our children from work! now they dont know what to do! They think the government is gonna fix it for them.... we need to raise them to be thinking!!!
what is always overlooked is that before the industrial revolution children worked on the family farm . children worked long hours and this was NORMAL. With the advent of the camera however these pictures stand out as something remarkable but they are not. I do think real education comes not just in classrooms but from life. Look at all the histories of famous sea captains and inventors who learned thier trades as children . I ask should our most energetic years be wasted in public schools?
About time we started showing showed stuff like this. Because you try telling black people and the white middleclass liberals that we also had white slavery and both shake their heads as if such truths shouldnt be told unless it's only about black slavery or the subjugation of white women.
Many children, Women and Men died to let me have an eight hour work day. I salute these people. Rest In peace, Youngin's. I'm sorry you all never got to see the day when you were treated fairly in the work force...
I'm not speaking in defense of the child labour that happened back then and is happening now It is wrong the soultion should be to pay people money they can actualy live in unfortnantly the only choice the children had and have was to work or starve. which really wasn't much of a choice if you think about it
back then a cent is about a dollar in todays market. $250 a week could help a lot of families out I bet. I really don't blame them and it help us build are infrastruction we have today.
@SilverRedIndigo you need to learn history. these pictures show children working . that was the NORMAL state of affairs prior the industrial revolution. children expected to work on farms were later expected to work in factories. It was the industrial revolution that led to greater wealth of the the working class and gave birth to the middle class which led to better standards of living for all people kids as well. Govt regulation keeps children poor.
@logan1776 Yes children have always worked, etc. But there's a difference between (1) working hard on the family farm, and (2) working in a badly ventilated factory for 12-14 hours to help bring in enough money to barely survive in shitty living conditions, as long as nobody got sick. Ask yourself why the employers didn't pay them more.
@counterstriving have you ever worked on a farm? particularly did you ever work on a farm in the early 20th century? obviously a rhetorical question but those farms were hard dangerous places and while I am sure the parents tried to look out for the kids at first at some point CHILDREN were expected to do chores on thier own. this modern notion that children are unique was not around back then .
Respond to this video... Industrialization got kids out of the workforce and into schools because it made us a wealth enough nation .The great equalizer for the working poor has ALWAYS been capitalism that is the only system whereby the little guy can get ahead. The current socialst policies of the the US and world prove this by our current economic meltdown
If you can provide needed goods or services, you don't need a third party in your way to provide it but you may need a seed loan to get started. All an "employer" does is pool labor & farm it out & make a profit off the labor.
Let me rephrase that comment I made..Everyone in the US who watches TV or went to public (govt controlled) schools is EXPOSED to the brainwashing that the corporate controlled govt has inundated us with to make us believe that communism/socialism is the BIG sin. Those with a social conscience and character and a strong mind will see that our society is only as great as the least among us.
I understand what you're saying. There is obviously anti-socialist and anti-communist bias in our pub. schools & government. No argument there. The US has opposed communisim and for much of its history. The presence of bias does not affect the independent success/failure of the two systems.
Example: I don't want you to move to Houston.Because of that, I only tell you bad things about Houston. That doesn't mean Houston is a great place to live.
Dispasionate evaluation of the two systems in actual practice (as opposed to some lofty academic fantasy argument) is the only way to judge them.
As for the other.. I would be more impressed by communism/socialism if they concentrated more on raising up the little guy, instead of knocking down the big guy in their quest to make everything "fair".
I agree completely about "the least among us". I just see it as yours & my job to lift up the little guy. Not the government's.
My mom contracted polio when young and wore leg braces so she didn't have to start working in the cotton mill until she was 12. Told us she went to work barefoot many times. (This was in 1920's)
In any pictures of when she was young, she is never smiling.
But let us bow down and worship the god of capitalism, and forever fear those dastardly evils communism/socialism. We wouldn't want the US to be a country where all are created equal, would we?
Its funny how people can see the same images, and come away with completely different impressions. I see these images, and sympathize with the kids, too. I wouldn't want my daughter (or grandchildren) to have had to work that hard.
However, I don't see it as a condemnation of capitalism at all. These kids worked hard, but they got a chance to make a better life for themselves, their families, and their children. They had hard lives, but it was a hard world. At least capitalism offers hope.
I feel very sorry for your lack of understanding and compassion..bet that ol debbil capitalism has made you rich, huh? Everyone in the US who has gone thru the public school system or owns a tv is brainwashed into thinking the big evil to fear is communism/socialism...you obviously fit the mold.
For the record, I'm not rich. I'm a dogcatcher. I work my ass off every day, and probably will until I die.
I try to keep an open mind, and see other's points of view. It's just hard to see socialism and communism as better than capitalism. None of them are perfect, I just prefer the results I've seen OVERALL from a capitalist system
Glad you enjoyed the slideshow. Try worrying less about cramming people into molds to fit your preconceptions.
My "uncivil" observation was prompted by your comment that I lacked compassion, and that I "obviously" fit the mold of one "brainwashed" by the public schools into fearing communism.
You made those leaps based on almost no information about me. You don't know where I attended school. You don't know if I watch TV. You don't know what charities I support. You know virtually nothing about me, yet you make assumptions just because I don't see things your way.
Thank you for taking the time to create and post these pictures and music.
RandyOm 1 week ago
My father always told of working at the Hoosatonic (sp) Silk mill in Patterson NJ. I guess he would have been 10 or 12 in 1920....
He was driven from home at 12 and was doing odd jobs to support himself until his older sister and her husband took him in ...
I never thought about what his story's meant, what the condititions were ....
Another post indicated that child labor didn't end until 1938 , thanks to the much maligned FDR ...
shocktower70 3 months ago
These are the working conditions Ron Paul wants to bring back to America.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
This was in the good old days when there was no government regulation.
counterstriving 4 months ago
LISTEN: When the modern spoiled brat protests against the typical punishments of today (be it confiscating their Playstation Portable for a time, or confining them to their room for a time as well), please, show them this video and others like it.
Tell them, "This is what your 4th-great-grandparents probably had to go through as kids. They were hence more grateful for what little they had. How would you feel about your life if you lived with them?"
EgaoNoGenki 4 months ago
Conversation bewteen a 12 year old boy and his mother, one in 1911 another in 2011. In 1911: After a bad case of pneumonia, son says "Mom, I am sorry I had pneumonia. I will work twice as hard to make up for it." Mother says "Please son do not go out in the rain and sell papers." Son walks out the door and says "I love you mom." In 2011: While playing a computer game, son says, "Mom why didn't you cut the crust off my bread? Mother says "I am sorry" Son replies "Damn you!!"
TheSeer101 4 months ago 4
@TheSeer101 If I were the father, I would NOT stand for THAT! I would show him how to behave like the more proper gentleman.
Even though I'm still 26 and single, I'd know to correct that kid right away.
Maybe I could send him to work with the Amish for a few weeks if he kept up that attitude.
EgaoNoGenki 4 months ago
This generation raised the greatest generation "WW2". Then the greatest generation raised the worest generation "The Baby Boomers. The greatest generation asked for nothing. The Baby boomers believe they did everything first and feel they are intitled to everything. "The Baby Boomers" raised the lost generation and now we have no clue.
TheSeer101 4 months ago
@TheSeer101 Let's not forget that the "greatest generation," after going through the depression and the war, were often anxious, bitter, and angry, in many cases psychologically damaged from having grown up in poverty, or from serving in the war. Then during the post-war prosperity these people's kids (the "baby-boomers") got confused by the fact that so much was available and so much was happening, yet people's parents seemed so "up-tight" and stern. Young people like to feel happy.
counterstriving 4 months ago
@counterstriving I agree, point well put. Although the baby boomers where often spoiled and lead to believe they were the smartest and greatest of all. Now my generation was super spoiled and lead to believe we were absolutely amazing. The new generation just can't figure out why they havent been discovered by some reality show lol
TheSeer101 4 months ago
I personally don't have a problem with children having a job such as a paper route, mowing lawns(spring & summer), raking leaves(fall), shoveling snowy sidewalks(winter), having a lemonade stand, and things like that. But working in a factory or a mine is not right for a child. How many children died from working in such conditions back then? How many developed health problems later in life? The problem is people take things to extremes on both sides, can we not find a middle road on any issue?
dragonseyeangie 5 months ago
@dragonseyeangie Some people say "well children had always worked hard on the farm anyway," and that's true, but the factories and mines of that era were a different story, long hours, bad ventilation, minimal pay, and the workers' living conditions were lousy. There really is such a thing as exploitation.
Unfortunately the answer to your excellent question about middle ground is NO, and that's an understatement.
counterstriving 4 months ago
I think kids now a days need to see this and learn about how it was for children in the turn of the century! Maybe they would have a greater apreacation of how good they have it. :)
MrDrummerman11 5 months ago
@MrDrummerman11 Thank you!! You took the words right out of my mouth. And I agree with TheSeer101 too in a sense, it seems all the problems we have today now that I think about it were caused by the baby boomers. This current financial mess, wars and declining culture (look at the cartoons kids are generally stuck with today, and the shows adults are glued to as examples), seems to have started all by the baby boomers.
classicsguy626 4 months ago
Ours has become the great enabling society where all is forgiven, all is supported, and all is tolerated at any price. When we give to one, we take from another. That is the sin of socialism.
Handiman544 5 months ago
I wonder which company they worked for and if that company is still in existence.
bbcisrubbish 9 months ago
I went through a lot in my life. We the people are wrong for shielding our children from work! now they dont know what to do! They think the government is gonna fix it for them.... we need to raise them to be thinking!!!
TheBuilderguy1 11 months ago 2
wow
buetja 11 months ago
what is always overlooked is that before the industrial revolution children worked on the family farm . children worked long hours and this was NORMAL. With the advent of the camera however these pictures stand out as something remarkable but they are not. I do think real education comes not just in classrooms but from life. Look at all the histories of famous sea captains and inventors who learned thier trades as children . I ask should our most energetic years be wasted in public schools?
logan1776 1 year ago
this is sad. these same children probably lived through this, WW1. the great depression, ww2. these kids went through a lot in their lives..
Tavion666 1 year ago
About time we started showing showed stuff like this. Because you try telling black people and the white middleclass liberals that we also had white slavery and both shake their heads as if such truths shouldnt be told unless it's only about black slavery or the subjugation of white women.
rubysson57 1 year ago
@rubysson57 Working to survive doesn't make you a slave.
owainmeurig 1 year ago
Many children, Women and Men died to let me have an eight hour work day. I salute these people. Rest In peace, Youngin's. I'm sorry you all never got to see the day when you were treated fairly in the work force...
PsychoBoar 1 year ago
I feel we are heading back that way at the rate things are going
theromanian19 1 year ago
I'm not speaking in defense of the child labour that happened back then and is happening now It is wrong the soultion should be to pay people money they can actualy live in unfortnantly the only choice the children had and have was to work or starve. which really wasn't much of a choice if you think about it
babybookworm003 2 years ago
better than victorian child labour in England.Still awful though
themightyleafe 2 years ago 6
@themightyleafe
how would you know?
ohjb 1 year ago
@ohjb Historical sources? THough Belgium was the worst of all.
katmiller87 1 year ago
@katmiller87 reminds me of a Monty Python Sketch...
"you had a cardboard box as a home? LUXUARY!!!!!!"
People came here seeking a different set of values than Europe.
Not to bring the Old Country here... and long may that ideal stand.
If you're a kid dying of Black Lung... where you're dying don't matter much.
ohjb 1 year ago
back then a cent is about a dollar in todays market. $250 a week could help a lot of families out I bet. I really don't blame them and it help us build are infrastruction we have today.
KnockoutNate69 2 years ago
Ron Paul, Gerald Celente and Peter Schiff want you to believe that the only thing wrong with Capitalism is the Fed, founded in 1913.
Laissez-faire Capitalism, they say, will solve all the problems.
Witness pre-Fed, laissez-faire Capitalism.
SilverRedIndigo 2 years ago 2
@SilverRedIndigo you need to learn history. these pictures show children working . that was the NORMAL state of affairs prior the industrial revolution. children expected to work on farms were later expected to work in factories. It was the industrial revolution that led to greater wealth of the the working class and gave birth to the middle class which led to better standards of living for all people kids as well. Govt regulation keeps children poor.
logan1776 1 year ago
@logan1776 Yes children have always worked, etc. But there's a difference between (1) working hard on the family farm, and (2) working in a badly ventilated factory for 12-14 hours to help bring in enough money to barely survive in shitty living conditions, as long as nobody got sick. Ask yourself why the employers didn't pay them more.
counterstriving 4 months ago
@counterstriving have you ever worked on a farm? particularly did you ever work on a farm in the early 20th century? obviously a rhetorical question but those farms were hard dangerous places and while I am sure the parents tried to look out for the kids at first at some point CHILDREN were expected to do chores on thier own. this modern notion that children are unique was not around back then .
logan1776 3 months ago
Respond to this video... Industrialization got kids out of the workforce and into schools because it made us a wealth enough nation .The great equalizer for the working poor has ALWAYS been capitalism that is the only system whereby the little guy can get ahead. The current socialst policies of the the US and world prove this by our current economic meltdown
logan1776 3 months ago
Next time you want a job, ask a poor man to hire you.
rickster348 2 years ago
If you can provide needed goods or services, you don't need a third party in your way to provide it but you may need a seed loan to get started. All an "employer" does is pool labor & farm it out & make a profit off the labor.
mmedefarge 2 years ago 4
Let me rephrase that comment I made..Everyone in the US who watches TV or went to public (govt controlled) schools is EXPOSED to the brainwashing that the corporate controlled govt has inundated us with to make us believe that communism/socialism is the BIG sin. Those with a social conscience and character and a strong mind will see that our society is only as great as the least among us.
zenbrenzz 3 years ago
I understand what you're saying. There is obviously anti-socialist and anti-communist bias in our pub. schools & government. No argument there. The US has opposed communisim and for much of its history. The presence of bias does not affect the independent success/failure of the two systems.
Example: I don't want you to move to Houston.Because of that, I only tell you bad things about Houston. That doesn't mean Houston is a great place to live.
Trust me, Houston sucks :)
(continued)...
reluctantpaladin 3 years ago
(Part 2)...
Dispasionate evaluation of the two systems in actual practice (as opposed to some lofty academic fantasy argument) is the only way to judge them.
As for the other.. I would be more impressed by communism/socialism if they concentrated more on raising up the little guy, instead of knocking down the big guy in their quest to make everything "fair".
I agree completely about "the least among us". I just see it as yours & my job to lift up the little guy. Not the government's.
reluctantpaladin 3 years ago
Beautifully sad.
My mom contracted polio when young and wore leg braces so she didn't have to start working in the cotton mill until she was 12. Told us she went to work barefoot many times. (This was in 1920's)
In any pictures of when she was young, she is never smiling.
But let us bow down and worship the god of capitalism, and forever fear those dastardly evils communism/socialism. We wouldn't want the US to be a country where all are created equal, would we?
zenbrenzz 3 years ago
Its funny how people can see the same images, and come away with completely different impressions. I see these images, and sympathize with the kids, too. I wouldn't want my daughter (or grandchildren) to have had to work that hard.
However, I don't see it as a condemnation of capitalism at all. These kids worked hard, but they got a chance to make a better life for themselves, their families, and their children. They had hard lives, but it was a hard world. At least capitalism offers hope.
reluctantpaladin 3 years ago
I feel very sorry for your lack of understanding and compassion..bet that ol debbil capitalism has made you rich, huh? Everyone in the US who has gone thru the public school system or owns a tv is brainwashed into thinking the big evil to fear is communism/socialism...you obviously fit the mold.
zenbrenzz 3 years ago
Geez. Not able to have a civil disagreement?
For the record, I'm not rich. I'm a dogcatcher. I work my ass off every day, and probably will until I die.
I try to keep an open mind, and see other's points of view. It's just hard to see socialism and communism as better than capitalism. None of them are perfect, I just prefer the results I've seen OVERALL from a capitalist system
Glad you enjoyed the slideshow. Try worrying less about cramming people into molds to fit your preconceptions.
reluctantpaladin 3 years ago
At no point was I uncivil
zenbrenzz 3 years ago
My "uncivil" observation was prompted by your comment that I lacked compassion, and that I "obviously" fit the mold of one "brainwashed" by the public schools into fearing communism.
You made those leaps based on almost no information about me. You don't know where I attended school. You don't know if I watch TV. You don't know what charities I support. You know virtually nothing about me, yet you make assumptions just because I don't see things your way.
Seemed uncivil to me.
reluctantpaladin 3 years ago
Nice video. Thanks for sharing.
RottingBoard 3 years ago