Super Turbo Saturdays #10: Unblockable Hurricanes with O. Ryu

[kraalizec]

@OfficialHandHanzo I'm really sad it does not go on :(

[wzbzbz]

Bullshit game. Bullshit.

[clanerppc]

10:10

If you look at the score, you see that it already hit. The first frame of the hit just happens to look like whatever the character was doing before.

[RodmanIsASadPanda]

My mom read the inner game of tennis

[RodmanIsASadPanda]

O.Ken has an unblockable SRK.

[larssonk22]

Please do Dee Jay & Bison(Dictator).

[SomethingRules]

@larssonk22 i think Damdai said he doesn't like charge characters

[larssonk22]

@SomethingRules yeh i know, they could get some guests

[TelvanniGuard]

In Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo: HD Remix, there's something called the Dip Switch settings. It allows you to adjust certain aspects of the game. In it, there's an option to adjust Old Ryu and Old Ken's Hurricane Kick.

The options are: Default, 50%, and 0%.

What's that mean? I dunno. Just thought it was interesting.

I also thought it was interesting that Damdai didn't do it with Old Ken. D:

[DragonSlayerKyo]

eat foot gief! LOL

[Riposte8]

Zangief wearing green marker glasses

[KikiDaiso]

Ban that shit!  :D

[LuigiKarimElliott]

I just came for the music

[chefrobsen]

I dont play ST, never saw a tournament with it...basically I'm just here for the chilling vibe you two create :D

[BapeRuler17]

All I Want To Know is Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Have A Downloak Link To The BG Music! Its So Calm, Wavy, Lovely.... Can You Provide One Please? :0)

[QuintBlitz]

God I LOVE the background theme. It's so chill..~!

[EltonChong75]

These vids have to be among the gayest things on youtube

[ShayoCLUB27]

i want to have the background music of super turbo saturdays

[reDustt]

Dat Cammy tongue.

[MrKingT88]

UHHH NOOOO LMAO

[xhamtarox]

2:00 sounds like one of those IMMA FIRIN MAI LAZOR sorta thing haha

[Quebert69]

The tournament you're talking about wouldn't happen to be UFGT7 would it Seb?

[Illaguila]

It's Better And Easyer If You Cross Up Tatsu Works With All Shotos Including Old Akuma :P

[AeolusMN]

Atleast here Ryu looks normal...good, in SF4 they made him really buff and gave him a goofy face, same goes for Ken and like every other male character..

[bakablitz]

I've played ST when I was a kid not knowing what I was doing. I watched streams and youtube vids of ST. But because of you guys and how entertaining your vids are, I've started picked up ST. Please don't stop making these! :)

[juangarcia2007]

Seb: OHHHHHHH NOO!!!! Damdai: You fuckin' jerk off!! LOL I hope this show doesn't stop being shown i love this show and the rest of FADC's work

[antlp89]

I love the high quality stuff from these vids

[mastergd]

i am the zangief player in the video. i am happy to see my assbeating was put up for this episode.

gg's

[DML897]

Did Damdai just quote the dumbass buzzard from Looney Tunes. Duhhhhh no no no no no no no no no no no...uhhh....nope

[DemiRonin]

lol that's waaaay cheap

[Devhawk124]

12:50 gatlike

[SprintGod]

The hurricane kick nonsense happens because it hits on the first frame. Blocking doesn't happen until after the opponent performs a move, so what happens is the hurricane kick connects at the exact same time as the opponent enters their blocking animation.

The game processes a random player first on each frame. If Ryu is processed first then his kick hits the opponent before their blocking state is processed, resulting in an unblockable 50% of the time.

[SpiderWaffle]

@SprintGod Then couldn't this work with ken's air hurricane, gief's lariats, and akuma's shoryuken since they all hit on the first frame as well? (these are all of the moves that hit on first frame in the game)

[IEOA]

@SpiderWaffle

Apparently HDR Dip Switch settings have a list of moves in ST that have a 50% chance of being unblockable on the first frame.

This works on O. Ryu's Air Tatsu, O. Ken's Air Tatsu, Akuma's Air Tatsu, Blanka's Horizontal Ball, Blanka's Vertical Ball etc (according to the HDR Dip Switch settings).

Got this info from a post on SRK regarding this video.

[SprintGod]

@SpiderWaffle Yeah, for some reason it doesn't work with all moves. Like Zangief's lariat is pretty much the same as it was in CE, but for some reason it's blockable in ST even though it isn't in HF.

Maybe there's some ST-specific code that stops it from working with grounded moves.

[GunterJPN]

@SprintGod

If the game processes a random player first on each frame, then wouldn't that be an unblockable a random percentage of the time? 50% would be if that given any number of instances, Ryu would be first 50% of those times, wouldn't it? in the video, the hurricane kick obviously hits more than half the time. I think it's more accurately a random unblockable, not an unblockable 50% of the time.

[CmndrAntilles]

@GunterJPN

Try flipping a coin 10 times and tell me if you get 5 heads and 5 tails everytime...

[GunterJPN]

@CmndrAntilles

you don't. and that's what I'm saying. coin flip = doing the hurricane kick. heads = ryu processed first, tails = gief processed first. "flip" it 10 times, and it won't be a perfect 5 heads/5 tails. the game doesn't process the characters 50% one way, 50% the other, according to SprintGod. Yet, he's still saying that it is unblockable according to the player processed first. If Ryu is processed first, it's unblockable. in SprintGod's words, that is a 50% unblockable. I disagree.

[redefn199]

@GunterJPN Someone would have to do an in-depth analysis of the game's random number generation in order to come up with specific probabilities for a hit or non-hit.

Maybe Player 1 is at an advantage when attempting to do this, who knows.

[GunterJPN]

@redefn199

I am assuming that SprintGod has done that analysis. He gave an in-depth explanation of how "the hurricane nonsense happens" and declared it an unblockable 50% of the time giving the processing of the character as the reason for it to be 50%. Either it's 50% and it's not because of the character being processed, it is 50% because the processing is 50/50, or it IS random and it isn't 50% - it's random. It can't be 50% for the REASON that the processing is random. that's all I'm saying

[redefn199]

@GunterJPN What CmndrAntilles said, a random pick still has a fixed probability for each possible event.

[GunterJPN]

@redefn199

I'm not arguing the probability. SprintGod said that because processing is random, the unblockable happens 50% of the time. That's like establishing, given the situation that I could either be at work or at home, and there are no other choices, saying "My decision will be totally random, resulting in me being at home 50% of the time." I disagree with that logic. There is a 50% probability, yes. But I will not be guaranteed to BE there 50% of the time though.

[Dredzy]

You don't understand what probability means mate

[GunterJPN]

@Dredzy

Probability isn't the question. RESULT is. SprintGod is declaring that the unblockable will happen 50% of the time. That is incorrect. It may, it may not. There is a 50% chance (probability) that the unblockable will happen, if his reason is true (random processing), because there are only two choices. But the 50% result he is declaring is not a given simply because of the random processing. I could try it 5 times and get it every time, if the computer processes my Ryu first.

[Dredzy]

@GunterJPN You don't know what you're talking about sry

[polarity55]

@GunterJPN nobody thinks a coin, flipped 10 times, will come up 5 heads and 5 tails every single time. this "point" is so stupidly obvious that you just look like an idiot for arguing it. when SprintGod says the unblockable will happen 50% of the time, it's obvious to everyone (except you apparently) that he means it in a theoretical sense, i.e. that given an infinite number of repetitions the unblockable will occur 50% of the time.

[polarity55]

@GunterJPN if people are disagreeing with your thinking here it's only because they think you're arguing something other than what you're arguing, because what you're actually arguing is so fucking obvious and based on such a stupid reading of what SprintGod was saying that it's hard to believe you'd even bother arguing it.

[redefn199]

@GunterJPN somehow I think everybody is actually agreeing on this matter and there is just a confusion about the terms here.

I agree that the probability for each outcome (blockable or unblockable) might not be a perfect 50% chance, depending on how the randomization works. (I don't know the exact implementation the game uses)

If the player priority is swapped each frame, it would be a perfect 50% probability. With a flawed rng algorithm, it may be 70% for Pl.1 and 30% for Pl.2.

[ModestDeity]

@redefn199 Gunter is saying that although probability is 50% you won't notice those results in a short match like this. You would need hundreds or thousands of matches before you see it get close to 50%...assuming the RNG is decent. Of course, with the way Capcom does their "random" selects on the character screen I kinda doubt it.

[CmndrAntilles]

@GunterJPN Yes you don't, exactly. But a coin flip IS a 50% chance, even if you don't get 5 heads and 5 tails every time. That was my point, you fail to understand basic probability. It's not something you can "disagree" with, it's basic fact. Oh wait my bad, it's the internet, you can disagree with things like that all you want.

[SpiderWaffle]

@SprintGod I also noticed from a resource online for frame timings for all SF2 games that blanka's neutral jump HP and akuma's DP also have zero frames to hit, do you know if these work or worked on older versions. (you could play akuma in super with a complex code I believe)

[SprintGod]

@SpiderWaffle Blanka's nj.HP can be unblockable in WW, but it was fixed in CE. Comparing them in slow motion, they seem to have added a frame of startup to the move. It still *looks* the same, but it doesn't actually hit until a frame later.

[Bullseye4hire]

I never get tired of Jibbo's backbeat!!

[dragonlord68]

The lack of Andre and Yipes compared to Monday let me down a little :(

[MikeyFADE]

YOU MEAN THE PENIS?

[Alucula]

So the obvious guess on how it works would be that either the hitbox comes out before the block box, or the spacing somehow causes the block box to miss entirely. Either way, that seems really weird.

[JaseOne161]

I wonder if Damdai like HSF2 with all the versions of everyone there. I mean I personally think CE Bison is broken ASS FUCK but I like it none the less.

[youngbrabbit]

whoaaa! when he said oooooooooooooaa nooooo! i jumped hard as fuck! lmaooo

[ez2b]

SEBTOR

[pozertron]

wow i'm 16th viewer and not after 300 O.o

[GamesPlayer1]

Hadoken !

[WilltheMagicAsian]

Sweet

[fadecy]

Nevermind >_<

[Weaponer7]

they keep getting shorter and shorter....

[93alvbjo]

WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOUUU­UU NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fadecy]

Can somebody explain this new/old business to me? Which version of the game lets you choose?

[th4nurdc0r3k1dd]

@fadecy really old, and st.

[justsignmeup911]

@fadecy watch sirlin's beginner tutorial part 2 on youtube. ST has them, Anniversary Edition lets you choose every SF2 version, HDR has them in the classic game only.

[Tikimoe]

@fadecy it works on SSF2 Turbo, what you need to is, at the instant u select the char, you press up,down,down,up and LP. You will hear Ryu say Haoudken!, or Sagat say Tiger!. Depends on the character, but you just press those inputs. You will notice that you dont have super or tech throw

[Dranoon]

@fadecy as they said.... Anniversary gives you the direct choice under the character portrait. Otherwise as far as I am aware ST is the only other version that allows you "A" choice to be "NEW" (which is the updated roster) or "OLD" (which is the previous version). To use the "OLD" version a code must be entered that is specific to each character. *Not a Expert*