Steven Weinberg Discussion (6/8) - Richard Dawkins

[SweetSuites]

Oooo...now at 6/8. I don't care, going to finish 8/8 of this wonderful video before I turn in for the night :) Many many thanks for the upload.

[frylock492]

Lol dawkins looks like a 4 year old who just discovered bubbles. And I mean that in the best way possible.

[jhamm1985]

When Weinberg is talking about the Universe "containing components for every possible history" (8:30), it almost sounds Leibnizian. Thumbs up if you know what I am talking about.

[MagiMysteryTour]

The religious comments are ridiculous spam and should be treated as such.

[CaptainChaos]

Why does the quality of Weinberg's audio go back and forth so much?

[Blackout949597]

were doi you think religion will be in 500 years , sorry theists, your argument is fading and thats a wonderful thing!!! enjoy ur life, quit bein a fkn slave to superstition!

[FreeDreamer09]

@Blackout949597 i thing it will be utterly and irrevocably DEAD. which i believe to be freaking wonderful.

[FreeDreamer09]

@FreeDreamer09 *think - sorry, blame the booze. ;)

[MrLittletomdj]

It annoys me that Dawkins & his religious counterparts on both sides of the devide don't see the value in the "opposing" fields of exploration. In fact Dawkins doesn't think that religion is exploration at all. Contemplation of God, inner self & spirituality are often spikey words to an Athiest. Likewise proponets of spirituality often see science as a dismissal of core values in humanity and "true" enlightenment. Science & religion have become deeply flawed institutions in that respect.

[eagkss]

THEY ARE JELOUS ABOUT THIS GUY HAVING 2 WIVES, THIS GUYS SHOULD HAVE MANY WIVES, IF THEY DON´T BELIEVE IN RELIGION WHICH HOLD THEM FROM HAVING MORE THAN ONE. i DON´T KNOW WHY THEY DON´T HAVE TEN WIVES AND A MALE COMPANION AS ROMANS USED TO DO. WHY IS IT WRONG IF ALL ADULTS AGREE. IF THE LAW DOES NOT, WELL MERRY THEM IN THE NAME OF NAT. SELECTION OR CHANCE OR ETC.

[eagkss]

1. AMERICANS ARE LOSING THEIR RELIGION BECAUSE MOST ARE INDOCTRINATED INTO ATHEISM AND LIBERALISM IN THE UNIVERSITY

[SteveDutchy]

I also wanna have 2 wives! seems religion has some good things after all :p

[scientist211]

More snobby and arrogant comments from Dawkins on religion.

[shakercoola]

"Science is eating the lunch of religion"

[NeverMind9132]

That would be awesome if Dawkins and Feynman had a discussion like this.

[dcx1287]

@makaze11 he did not do that. in another video, he clearly admitted that it was speculation, albeit a mathematically consistent speculation

[Helios601]

Is Weinberg aware of the ET prescence on Earth? please tell me he is, if not, he cant be that smart, he needs to talk with stephen basset

[altonator91]

@Helios601 evidence for this wild claim?

[wolfenight]

@CMVD777 Planning: You don't have it.

[uvauva2]

@CMVD777

Writing sequences of posts with extremely jumbled up sentences is not the way to go about proving anything at all.

[astroboomboy]

@CMVD777 Are you on drugs?

[magicbibledotcom]

Great discussion.

[aerycksmusic]

Weinberg cries about the state of religion in the US but Dawkins laughs... LOL.

[andyx1205]

@aerycksmusic well that's because Weinberg lives in the U.S. so he has to deal with it everyday, while Dawkins lives in the U.K. which has a very large percentage of very liberal christians, people that believe in God but dont go to church, and a lot of agnostics/atheists.

As a Canadian, I also laugh at the U.S. in regards to religion (I mean...55% of Americans believe evolution is a lie!)

[friendofthefunk]

@aerycksmusic Weinberg says he WOULD cry if he cared about religion. He doesn't.

[aerycksmusic]

@friendofthefunk - When the last trumpet sounds, those tears will be wiped away. Thanks for reminding me to pray for Prof. Wienberg and Dawkins. Lonely boys in a lonely world.

[friendofthefunk]

@aerycksmusic Once again, he's NOT crying. So there are no tears to wipe away. He said he would cry if he were attached to religion, but since he doesn't embrace religion he's not crying over it...get it? I guess your mythical daddy figure helps you feel less like a lonely boy in a lonely world. I understand that. But no need to waste your time praying for Weinberg and Dawkins. There are billions of lonely people in the world and prayer doesn't do anything anyway.

[darin2483]

2:22-2:28

What a beautiful line.

[chris7777777777777]

yes it is.

[dcx1287]

argumentum ad ignorantiam - a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false.

[ryderawr]

Prove that "God" does exist Cobra. Or admit you cannot and stop asking for proof of what is currently impossible to prove. The difference is that what science offers, while incomplete for now, is based on EVIDENCE and FACT. While "God" is based on nothing other than a book written by men 2000 years ago.

Best of luck to you, I hope you eventually become less hung up on religion-related subjects and just live your life based on things and people that surround you in the real world.

[yushis1]

Prove that you're not a piece of God's left nutsack

Negative arguments are stupid

[johntkucz]

religion pwnd.  Science FTW!!!!!!!!!!

[Terry5135]

I don't really understand why Weinberg has such a problem with what he sees as a world split between the observed and the observer. Maybe I'm missing the boat, but it seems to me that the theory is only saying that the observation itself is a force in the universe and as such, changes the result of an experiment. Perhaps it's also saying that no system can observe itself, that the very idea of objectivity is an illusion.

[McCetera]

Observing a quantum event isn't like observing something in our regular-sized world. Most people have a poor understanding of the uncertainty principle. Observing a quantum event isn't like observing a remote amazon tribe. You don't just influence it through observation, you physically change it. It's not the behaviour of the particles or photons that change but their reality. Just by looking, we force them to decide where normally they do everything in a cloud of probability.

[Terry5135]

Their reality IS their behaviour. I think you're mincing words, but maybe I misunderstand your intent.

If you must point out the obvious by examples in the macrocosmic world, then let's take a rock instead of a tribe. I don't think anyone thinks that a rock's behaviour is changed by watching it, so clearly things are very different in the microcosmic world of quantum events.

This is only youtube and we only get brief comments. Let's not split too many hairs here on linguistics.

[bighairybaby]

It sort of annoys me that the comments of theists, however gratuitously rude or mindblowingly stupid they may be, are frequently hidden. We've all come to expect censorship on the comments boards of creationsist videos but let's not lower ourselves to the same behaviour.

[HitodamaKyrie]

Indeed. I'd like to know what it is that they said, and I cannot....

[wycktellurian]

Just under the "Text Comments" there is a drop-down menu beside "Show:" in which you can select "all comments" to alleviate this problem.

[HitodamaKyrie]

Hrm. I see. Although, once apon a time, I could simply click 'show' next the the commentors name...

[Terry5135]

It annoys me too (that comments are hidden or rated out of existence). And it's not only theism in this sort of context, among the supposed open minded. It's many things. For instance, just try to say something about the anthropogenic global warming dogma - regardless of how stupid or not (and believe it or not, not all such comments are stupid and even more remarkably, they are often misread entirely) - and you'll see maximum censorship instantly. The tyranny of the masses seems to be constant.

[dorsk188]

@bighairybaby I agree with your sentiment, but Youtube allows us to rate each other's comments on whether we like or agree with them. A particularly disliked comment is hidden. If I had it my way, we would be able to see the comment and how much disapproval it has received. When I click thumbs down on a comment, I'm not thinking "I want to censor you", I'm thinking "What a stupid thing to say, I want to rebuke that stupidity". Just a thought.

[MrVirtualCoder]

@bighairybaby It sort of annoys me that the comments of Atheists, however gratuitously Childish or Childish thus Mindbogglingly stupid, they may be, are frequently not hidden....

[couchpotatoe244]

ya!! then all of us morons will be left with no answers and life will be meaningless!!! :)

[Mustahukkak]

They are both married (Richard has been multiple times), and they both have children, which kind of ruins your joke.

[EtherealN]

Well, then you do obviously have poor taste in women. ;)

As for intellectual people not being attractive "right"? Don't think that the world is anything like highschool, or intelligence would have been selected against and humanity wouldn't have happened in the first place. ;)

[dowde2]

Absolutely, the world would only have good looking bimbos!!!

[Terry5135]

LOL. What do you mean, "would only have"? You mean it doesn't???

Who knew?!

[emuholic]

"religion is a mile wide and an inch deep" - lol

[petrsakharov]

I liked actually seeing Dawkins talk to someone more intelligent than him.

[Linkous12]

I like to think of it as just a different kind of intelligence.

[petrsakharov]

Perhaps you're right, but Dawkins himself admits in another video that physics is harder to grasp than biology. Still, Dawkins has a powerful intellect.

[Escuerd]

I think it's pretty clear that the average physicist is smarter than the average biologist, but of course, averages needn't carry over to individuals (I've met many biologists smarter than many physicists).

Both Dawkins and Weinberg are very impressive folks. That Weinberg's résumé is more impressive than Dawkins' doesn't speak poorly of the latter at all. It's a very high upper bound.

[GBCE]

i hate people who turn "being smart" into a pissing contest. they are usually quite dull.

[petrsakharov]

Oh, I am. As dull as a butterknife, my friend. Is it really worth your time to hate an idiot?

[jeffbrown8]

this conversation is amazing in describing the wave function..

[mediteight]

I wonder if the apparently artificial distinction, made in the Copenhagen interpretation, between physical systems and observers could be some sort of key to the distinction between conscious awareness and unconcious existence...

[tristbjorn]

True understanding is demonstrated by the ability to express the complex in simple language.

[mediteight]

This seems very true - however, does the simple language have to be everyday english? If, for example, you're a mathematician who understands very well the mathematical foundations of quantum mechanics, but has no clue whatsoever as to how to give an interpretation of the results of any QM experiment in simple english, can you be said to understand the theory? (What if no everyday english description is possible?)

[skeletor5656]

simple language isnt confined to english my friend.

[mediteight]

yes, but that was my point. It's also a neat example of how "simple" language relies too much on basic common sense from the reader. (For "english" above read "native natural language of your indiginous population"). Hence the reason for lawyers writing such convoluted statements to avoid loops holes.

[couchpotatoe244]

i would have to disagree with you, maybe you should listen to some hip hop :)

[couchpotatoe244]

maybe you should listen to some hip hop and change your mind...

[Clausfarre]

The ahmadyiad tribe Weinberg talks about are fair game for muslims. They are seen as apostates and the koran delivers the death penalty for that 'crime'. And still in 2008 there are plenty of willing executioners.

[indusdolphin]

very true, its a tragedy that a brain like Abdus Salaam was not allowed in Pakistan.

[Clausfarre]

The resistance to scientific discoveries is such a tragic byproduct of religion. That guy could have done so much good for the country.

[crazykb]

I agree. Also, look at the amount of people who still don't believe in evolution. Probably one of the most pervasive theories in science. Religion, and how it effects human thought, is analogous to the horse trotting down the path with blinders on...

[kubikmaster]

evolutions says why they dont accept it: Evolution is about adaptation not about complexity. To adapt to the environment it is easier to be a religious nut, then you can get way more perks than being a COMPLEX scientist, such as myself...i.e. Evolution explains anti-evolutionists, dont you find that, uhm...amazing?

[crazykb]

"Evolution is about adaptation not about complexity.". Are you saying that biology isn't complex?! "Evolution explains anti-evolutionists," Yes, its called cognitive dissonance. Do I find that amazing,well not really. However, I DO find it fucking annoying...

[kubikmaster]

It is not cognitive disonance, it is a fucking shame ;-D

[crazykb]

A "fucking" shame it is, brother...

[tristbjorn]

nice pun :)

[AlmightScoop]

Actually, the death penalty for apostacy is the the haddith, not the koran, not that it makes the situation any better.

[Clausfarre]

Well, indirectly no as they are seen as infidels like me. Being in that category the 100 or so verses calling for the killing and slaying of non-muslims include them. But as far as hadith goes you are surely 100% correct.

[kubikmaster]

funny thing is we non muslims are more aware of the hadit than the muslims, so for heaven sake dont challenge a muslim about the hadits, thats like an invitation to be killed. What they need to soften up is sex drugs and rock'n roll :D