Man gets home from work, car is pretty much out of juice. Finds his wife going into labor.
"HONEY WE NEED TO GO TO HOSPITAL"
"But we can't! The needs to charge first!"
"DAMN YOU, I TOLD YOU TO GET A HYDROGEN FUEL CELL CAR!!!"
Get my point?
It would be wonderful if we create some sort of quick charge system, but the fact of the matter is we need to start looking bigger before we go small. EV or Hydrogen, we need to start with clean energy power plants.
Solar, kinetic, wind? There are plenty of energy sources that are clean and abundant. Remember, the plug in EV car will need to get energy from somewhere and it's gonna be the same crappy power plant that's sending those pesky carbon emissions in to our air.
If we can perfect the process in making H2, you cannot deny that it will be much cleaner and much more efficient and USEFUL compared to plug in EV.
i love it. can I buy one please? I'd rather rock the sports version than the practical version, esp cause it only takes me 15 minutes to get to work and back in my r32 gtr. ev's are the way of the future. instant torque people, thats where its at.
let me explain to all the people some facts,,, this car has stock batteries to prove what the stock leaf is capable of.... and still manages 20 minutes of running hard... of course they are developing high batteries (tesla roadster ( if not better kindof batteries) as they develop the handling the final result would have much better batteries... with range and all proupgraded...
@bonds911 As previously said though, 20mn is about the range of its ICE racing counterparts as well.
Let's also keep in mind it's the first "next gen" EV race car, the range will improve as the technology is refined.
Beside, range is a matter of driving the battery cost down more than finding new technologies. The Leaf could have a 250km range but at twice the price, and the best batteries will get you 650km, but at an obscene price tag.
@DannigBB6 LOL do you know how efficienty is to produce H2 to use it in very expensive fuel cell to produce electricity that powers electric motor? hahaha and where can you buy hydrogen? and do you know about costs of buliding a whole infrastructure from zero! damn stop watching pure entertaintment show called Top Gear and start to THINK :)
@xDamianoo See this is why I feel that the auto industry is moving in the wrong direction. I've have been supporting hydrogen fuel cell cars since the mid 90s. LONG before Top Gear
It's true that H2 is currently difficult to produce and transport. However, I think we're looking at it from the wrong angle. Creation of H2 is where we need to find efficiencies. This will also push for cleaner energy all together. I will never confirm to plug-in EV mostly because of how unusable it would be for me
@DannigBB6 I think you should find out about upcoming 2012 Tesla Model S. A version with 300 miles range will be available for 77 000 $ and 160 miles battery pack for 57 000$. and It looks outstanding very similar to Aston Martin Rapide :) Please don't make me laugh that you travel more than 160 or even 300 miles a day. If you do just wait for a proper fast charging infrastructure, it's already in plans and will be biuld in a few years. Then try to find Fuel Cell car similar to Model S LOL
@xDamianoo I don't think you understood my point. I never said my commute is more than 300 miles. And you also have to remember that these 300 estimated miles are often generated using perfect conditions. How often do you get manufacturer MPG on your car? I don't, and it's due to many reasons. Sometimes I have a heavy foot, sometimes there is unforeseen traffic. But the point I was making was that some times you have events where you cannot wait for your car to recharge.
@DannigBB6 Nissan Leaf’s EPA real world range is 73 miles (100 Nissan offcial). And this real world range is proved :) OK please type in google "850 Miles In A Tesla Roadster In A Weekend" and read carefully an article that will show
@xDamianoo I don't quite understand. The article you directed me to talks about stopping for eating and sleeping. I don't know about you, but having to take 24 hours to take a trip that can be done in 14 including stops to eat and fuel up sounds better to me. The point is simple, electric cars don't have nearly enough range as hydrogen fuel cell cars. Then if you calculate in refuel in time, the choice is simple.
@DannigBB6 note that Tesla Roadster is a pioneer... well I think that EV today are like mobile phones in late '80 :) they're aren't perfect for now, but when the technology will improve they will become mainstream. Think about economies of scale. Remember first ever LCD TV, laptop, mobile phone? they were very expensive and limited and how about today?
@xDamianoo I don't disagree with you that EV are in their infantile stages and will continue to develop and continue to improve. However, what I am saying is that Hydrogen FC has already evolved far beyond EV and has the same potential as EV. I've been proposing that we develop self-sustaining hydrogen filling stations for years. Have their own wind/solar generators who's sole purpose is to create hydrogen through electrolysis. Water would be collected from the vehicles that emit them and rain
@DannigBB6 I can use a fast charger, but I don’t need to use fast charger everyday :) only when while going for a long trip. Normally I will charge it during nights at my garage (note that electricity is even cheaper at night). And when batteries will have better capacity than today, I can easy use a vehicle a whole day without recharging.
btw 80 percent of drivers in the US, commute fewer than 40 miles a day :)
@xDamianoo Also, there are other places we can get energy from. Do some research about Kinetic energy. Like sidewalks that create energy from people walking on it. Why not use that technology on a highway? There are so many ways we can create new energy to sustain a zero emissions way of life. Every new technology starts from somewhere. No one is willing to look at the big picture. Everyone is so fixated on reducing dependence on foreign oil.
@DannigBB6 yeah I see You are interested on that topic :) OK can I refer You to some source of my opinions? I read daily Autoblog Green, allcarselectric and many various other sites and blogs. Please also visit a "fullychargedshow" youtube channel. There's a very interesting episode about Honda FCX Clarity
@xDamianoI'll take a look at them when I get home, but if you're referring me to blogs or articles you read that are pro-EV, it's like asking me to watch Fox News for a liberal opinion.
@DannigBB6 right, but I prefer pure and proven facts not a marketing. After reading various sites (not only pro-EV) I think I have quite objective view. Also love to talk with both EV enthusiasts and EV haters :)
@xDamianoo I too feel that after my own research that my opinion has been formulated on my own and not because of propaganda. I have been reading about alternative fuel since the mid 90s and I believe that though EV have a great potential, Hydrogen Fuel Cells can go beyond what EV can do. One thing we can ALL agree on is that we MUST move to cleaner sources of energy.
@DannigBB6 yeah :) but nowadays everything must have an economical sense :) what's the price of fuel cell vehicles? OMG. can we buy them? No. can we use them? I'm afraid not. And how about infrastructure? None. Perspectives? require a fortune.
well meybe 30-50 years later FC will have an economical sense, but later BEV will dominate the market. We won't have to use gasoline that long, will we?
@xDamianoo Also consider how crushing it would be if we were to lose all the jobs that oil created by switching to EV. No more filling stations, no more truckers to transport the fuel, fewer refineries, etc. The blow to the economy would be astronomical. Use Hydrogen and you will keep filling stations, have facilities to create H2 and then have transporters. All of which will be done domestically. Meaning American jobs.
@DannigBB6 "but LATER BEV will dominate the market"
I mean BEFORE that happen, BEV will dominate the market. Sorry for my mistakes but I'm quite tired right now. Can we finish this conversation, later? Feel free to contact me anytime :)
@xDamianoo Then we come to my other point, where we get the energy from. In the end, which ever direction we go, we MUST improve where we get our power from. If we can come up with quick charge cars, great. Hydrogen Fuel Cell, great. But we're still going to have to get the power to do these things from somewhere. By moving from gasoline to electric cars that get energy from power plants that pollute only reduces carbon emissions from one and increases the other. Solve the energy problem first!
@DannigBB6 right that's the point :) even electric cars powered by electricity made from coal are more green than petrol cars. Total emissions (from drilling for oil under the sea, transport it by ships to rafinery and then to petrol stations and then to burn it in internal combustion engine) are higher than pollution of power plants. An Electric motor is almost 100% efficient while ICE max 30%. so 2/3 of energy is wasted (by heat). so EV compared to ICE is like traditional Lightbulb and LED :)
a Hydrogen Fuel Cell produces electricity - any vehicle with one would also be an electric car, with a range extender.
Hydrogen is today mostly produced from FOSSIL FUELS (Practically meaning: more emissions than a regular ICE car, although from a factory instead of your tail pipe).
2nd most common H2 production is electrolysis. That process together with the fool cell decreases the efficiency of a fool cell car to less than half (more like a fifth) compared to that of a plug in-EV
@DannigBB6 And where do you propose we get the hydrogen? It's not very energy efficient to use electrolysis compared to normal battery tech. Batteries today run at 90% efficiency, whereas electrolysis and conversion by fuel cells back to electricity may only get at most 70% efficiency, and I'm being generous there.
This is exactly what i hoped for! i knew this car wasn't just for vegetarians and the WWF(panda wrestling, right?). I have an idea..... with this, the Tesla, and Citroen Survolt n stuff..... Electric Sports car racing..?
@nagasako7 LOL Fuel Cell hahaha do you know that using hydrogen in totally ineffective? to produce H2 you need more energy than you need to power an electric engine. OK please note that number of battery electric vehicles has significantly increased in the last few years. They are becoming better, cheaper and have a huge potential. Just take a look which cars are presented on various International Motor Shows. Were there any new fuel cell vehicles? NO, because they are not payable at all.
Man, you have failed big time! Why on earth is the stock leaf thing looking like a pile of shit? I want it entirely to look like the race car. And I'd also like to have the ultralight carbon fiber bodywork, the lowered ride and the black rims. And please put a propper engine in, if you don't mind (I don't want a car that sounds like my washing machine in idle!). Keep it in the middle, though!
I wonder if the enormous spoiler on the rear is necessary at these speeds, but I applaud the effort Nissan is making. Results from this experiment will trickle down to the second generation Leaf and make it a better, dare I say it, every day car.
the battery can handle more power. they just need more powerful motor/controller. and they should have. the image of the leaf cannot be salvaged, it's heavy slow and ugly and they shouldn't try. much better to improve the image of nissan so the leaf is a little cool by association. they could easily do a 3.5second car. a 7 second car is just not impressive at all. they need to make an EV that will devastate the GT-R. make the petrol heads think. they don't do it on their own.
@ConceptVBS Are you running for governor or something? Realistically, you need to factor in the efficiency of the "process" it takes to "make and deliver electricity". The avg efficiency of a power plant is 41% and the avg efficiency of the power grid that transfers electricity is 91%. Since the electric car must get its energy through this process, 41% x 91% x 90% = 33.6% efficency. This is still good! But there's no reason to be sneaky with the facts.
Awesome direction cars are taking in Japan. Can't wait to see the technology trickle down to consumer vehicles so we can start driving electrics. The dinosaur cars we're driving now just don't compare on any level to what is possible with an electric platform.
@youtubasoarus except that's wrong. electric vehicles WILL never be as efficient as petrol driven cars. There's not much possible with electric vehicles. Until we find a batteries that can last more than 100-200 miles per charge electric vehicles will be jokes. Also lithium ion are very scarce resources, which is what batteries are made of, not only are they expensive to make, it's also expensive and destructive to the environment. Hydrogen will be the future. Electric vehicles will not.
@carloslovesmangoes -- Well that is certainly one opinion of many, but Nissan and other companies are going with what is viable right now. Not what is viable in 20 years. Hydrogen has already been tested and played with quite a bit in the last 15 years. If it were a viable alternative, it would already be on the market. It is used a little bit in Europe, but not widely spread. Nissan and other companies, as you can see, are going with Electric.
@carloslovesmangoes Well the only reason Hydrogen would win over electric is because of money, See you have to use electricity to extract hydrogen. Reason is that hydrogen does not exist alone on earth, so we use electricity to get it. (We get 70% / 85% electricity from coal) So I can say yeah your right hydrogen might win. But not because its better, but because there is more money to be made with it. Look up electrolysis. (yes i understand there is more ways to get hydrogen)
Never wanted a LEAF soooo bad in my life!!!
ongxiong91 5 months ago
Extra batteries and a better motor would make this car faster. I would love to see this thing worry people in teslas!
Dogman36 8 months ago
Can't wait for an electric GTR :D pretty sure It will be build sooner or later!
xDamianoo 9 months ago
Think about it this way:
Man gets home from work, car is pretty much out of juice. Finds his wife going into labor.
"HONEY WE NEED TO GO TO HOSPITAL"
"But we can't! The needs to charge first!"
"DAMN YOU, I TOLD YOU TO GET A HYDROGEN FUEL CELL CAR!!!"
Get my point?
It would be wonderful if we create some sort of quick charge system, but the fact of the matter is we need to start looking bigger before we go small. EV or Hydrogen, we need to start with clean energy power plants.
DannigBB6 9 months ago
Solar, kinetic, wind? There are plenty of energy sources that are clean and abundant. Remember, the plug in EV car will need to get energy from somewhere and it's gonna be the same crappy power plant that's sending those pesky carbon emissions in to our air.
If we can perfect the process in making H2, you cannot deny that it will be much cleaner and much more efficient and USEFUL compared to plug in EV.
DannigBB6 9 months ago
i love it. can I buy one please? I'd rather rock the sports version than the practical version, esp cause it only takes me 15 minutes to get to work and back in my r32 gtr. ev's are the way of the future. instant torque people, thats where its at.
dohmarau 9 months ago
let me explain to all the people some facts,,, this car has stock batteries to prove what the stock leaf is capable of.... and still manages 20 minutes of running hard... of course they are developing high batteries (tesla roadster ( if not better kindof batteries) as they develop the handling the final result would have much better batteries... with range and all proupgraded...
bonds911 9 months ago
@bonds911 As previously said though, 20mn is about the range of its ICE racing counterparts as well.
Let's also keep in mind it's the first "next gen" EV race car, the range will improve as the technology is refined.
Beside, range is a matter of driving the battery cost down more than finding new technologies. The Leaf could have a 250km range but at twice the price, and the best batteries will get you 650km, but at an obscene price tag.
subtheo 9 months ago
whooooooooooooooo hoooooooooooo now this is electric speed>>>>>
bonds911 9 months ago
Chuck Norris' RC toy car
epicutubemembername 9 months ago
Hydrogen Fuel Cell > Electric cars
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 LOL do you know how efficienty is to produce H2 to use it in very expensive fuel cell to produce electricity that powers electric motor? hahaha and where can you buy hydrogen? and do you know about costs of buliding a whole infrastructure from zero! damn stop watching pure entertaintment show called Top Gear and start to THINK :)
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo See this is why I feel that the auto industry is moving in the wrong direction. I've have been supporting hydrogen fuel cell cars since the mid 90s. LONG before Top Gear
It's true that H2 is currently difficult to produce and transport. However, I think we're looking at it from the wrong angle. Creation of H2 is where we need to find efficiencies. This will also push for cleaner energy all together. I will never confirm to plug-in EV mostly because of how unusable it would be for me
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 I think you should find out about upcoming 2012 Tesla Model S. A version with 300 miles range will be available for 77 000 $ and 160 miles battery pack for 57 000$. and It looks outstanding very similar to Aston Martin Rapide :) Please don't make me laugh that you travel more than 160 or even 300 miles a day. If you do just wait for a proper fast charging infrastructure, it's already in plans and will be biuld in a few years. Then try to find Fuel Cell car similar to Model S LOL
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo I don't think you understood my point. I never said my commute is more than 300 miles. And you also have to remember that these 300 estimated miles are often generated using perfect conditions. How often do you get manufacturer MPG on your car? I don't, and it's due to many reasons. Sometimes I have a heavy foot, sometimes there is unforeseen traffic. But the point I was making was that some times you have events where you cannot wait for your car to recharge.
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 Nissan Leaf’s EPA real world range is 73 miles (100 Nissan offcial). And this real world range is proved :) OK please type in google "850 Miles In A Tesla Roadster In A Weekend" and read carefully an article that will show
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo I don't quite understand. The article you directed me to talks about stopping for eating and sleeping. I don't know about you, but having to take 24 hours to take a trip that can be done in 14 including stops to eat and fuel up sounds better to me. The point is simple, electric cars don't have nearly enough range as hydrogen fuel cell cars. Then if you calculate in refuel in time, the choice is simple.
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 note that Tesla Roadster is a pioneer... well I think that EV today are like mobile phones in late '80 :) they're aren't perfect for now, but when the technology will improve they will become mainstream. Think about economies of scale. Remember first ever LCD TV, laptop, mobile phone? they were very expensive and limited and how about today?
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo I don't disagree with you that EV are in their infantile stages and will continue to develop and continue to improve. However, what I am saying is that Hydrogen FC has already evolved far beyond EV and has the same potential as EV. I've been proposing that we develop self-sustaining hydrogen filling stations for years. Have their own wind/solar generators who's sole purpose is to create hydrogen through electrolysis. Water would be collected from the vehicles that emit them and rain
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 ok but think which way will be more efficient.
1 use electricy from any source to produce H2 to use it in very expensive fuel cell to produce electricity that powers an electric motor
2 use use electricy from any source to charge battery that powers an electric motor.
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo I'd like to throw that question back to you.
1. Car that takes a minute to refuel and keep going
2. Car that takes hours to recharge
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 I can use a fast charger, but I don’t need to use fast charger everyday :) only when while going for a long trip. Normally I will charge it during nights at my garage (note that electricity is even cheaper at night). And when batteries will have better capacity than today, I can easy use a vehicle a whole day without recharging.
btw 80 percent of drivers in the US, commute fewer than 40 miles a day :)
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo Also, there are other places we can get energy from. Do some research about Kinetic energy. Like sidewalks that create energy from people walking on it. Why not use that technology on a highway? There are so many ways we can create new energy to sustain a zero emissions way of life. Every new technology starts from somewhere. No one is willing to look at the big picture. Everyone is so fixated on reducing dependence on foreign oil.
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 yeah I see You are interested on that topic :) OK can I refer You to some source of my opinions? I read daily Autoblog Green, allcarselectric and many various other sites and blogs. Please also visit a "fullychargedshow" youtube channel. There's a very interesting episode about Honda FCX Clarity
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoI'll take a look at them when I get home, but if you're referring me to blogs or articles you read that are pro-EV, it's like asking me to watch Fox News for a liberal opinion.
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 right, but I prefer pure and proven facts not a marketing. After reading various sites (not only pro-EV) I think I have quite objective view. Also love to talk with both EV enthusiasts and EV haters :)
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo I too feel that after my own research that my opinion has been formulated on my own and not because of propaganda. I have been reading about alternative fuel since the mid 90s and I believe that though EV have a great potential, Hydrogen Fuel Cells can go beyond what EV can do. One thing we can ALL agree on is that we MUST move to cleaner sources of energy.
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 yeah :) but nowadays everything must have an economical sense :) what's the price of fuel cell vehicles? OMG. can we buy them? No. can we use them? I'm afraid not. And how about infrastructure? None. Perspectives? require a fortune.
well meybe 30-50 years later FC will have an economical sense, but later BEV will dominate the market. We won't have to use gasoline that long, will we?
xDamianoo 9 months ago
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xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo Also consider how crushing it would be if we were to lose all the jobs that oil created by switching to EV. No more filling stations, no more truckers to transport the fuel, fewer refineries, etc. The blow to the economy would be astronomical. Use Hydrogen and you will keep filling stations, have facilities to create H2 and then have transporters. All of which will be done domestically. Meaning American jobs.
DannigBB6 9 months ago
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@DannigBB6 "but LATER BEV will dominate the market"
I mean BEFORE that happen, BEV will dominate the market. Sorry for my mistakes but I'm quite tired right now. Can we finish this conversation, later? Feel free to contact me anytime :)
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@xDamianoo Then we come to my other point, where we get the energy from. In the end, which ever direction we go, we MUST improve where we get our power from. If we can come up with quick charge cars, great. Hydrogen Fuel Cell, great. But we're still going to have to get the power to do these things from somewhere. By moving from gasoline to electric cars that get energy from power plants that pollute only reduces carbon emissions from one and increases the other. Solve the energy problem first!
DannigBB6 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 right that's the point :) even electric cars powered by electricity made from coal are more green than petrol cars. Total emissions (from drilling for oil under the sea, transport it by ships to rafinery and then to petrol stations and then to burn it in internal combustion engine) are higher than pollution of power plants. An Electric motor is almost 100% efficient while ICE max 30%. so 2/3 of energy is wasted (by heat). so EV compared to ICE is like traditional Lightbulb and LED :)
xDamianoo 9 months ago
@DannigBB6
a Hydrogen Fuel Cell produces electricity - any vehicle with one would also be an electric car, with a range extender.
Hydrogen is today mostly produced from FOSSIL FUELS (Practically meaning: more emissions than a regular ICE car, although from a factory instead of your tail pipe).
2nd most common H2 production is electrolysis. That process together with the fool cell decreases the efficiency of a fool cell car to less than half (more like a fifth) compared to that of a plug in-EV
mattetjus 9 months ago
@DannigBB6 And where do you propose we get the hydrogen? It's not very energy efficient to use electrolysis compared to normal battery tech. Batteries today run at 90% efficiency, whereas electrolysis and conversion by fuel cells back to electricity may only get at most 70% efficiency, and I'm being generous there.
xmodalloy 9 months ago
This is exactly what i hoped for! i knew this car wasn't just for vegetarians and the WWF(panda wrestling, right?). I have an idea..... with this, the Tesla, and Citroen Survolt n stuff..... Electric Sports car racing..?
Dogman36 9 months ago
Chevy Volt vs Nissan Leaf I WANNA SEEE IT!! lolol
BusterBlader910 9 months ago
The problem that the Tesla had was that it had 200lbs in the trunk.
FC > Battery
But atleast Nissan knows its better to get the handling right first, Tesla before you focus on power.
Where have I heard that before? "Historically Nissan GTR owning things with more power each generation its built..."
lolol
nagasako7 9 months ago
@nagasako7 LOL Fuel Cell hahaha do you know that using hydrogen in totally ineffective? to produce H2 you need more energy than you need to power an electric engine. OK please note that number of battery electric vehicles has significantly increased in the last few years. They are becoming better, cheaper and have a huge potential. Just take a look which cars are presented on various International Motor Shows. Were there any new fuel cell vehicles? NO, because they are not payable at all.
xDamianoo 9 months ago
Even Japanese say "uh"
MrPajamaSamurai 9 months ago
Tesla might have some competition now :P
Threshy001 9 months ago
I would like to see the Crz track version ^^
SoneKin94 9 months ago
Man, you have failed big time! Why on earth is the stock leaf thing looking like a pile of shit? I want it entirely to look like the race car. And I'd also like to have the ultralight carbon fiber bodywork, the lowered ride and the black rims. And please put a propper engine in, if you don't mind (I don't want a car that sounds like my washing machine in idle!). Keep it in the middle, though!
EmilGlockner 9 months ago
This is pure AWESOMENESS! I wish they make it for production :D
kenkenkenx2525 9 months ago
nissan leaf tuned vs honda crz tuned!
WhatThePresidentSays 9 months ago
If the LEAF looked like this... I would actually consider buying it!
Especially if it handled like a Lotus.
Make it RWD and have it compete it D1 haha...
Kyu1LL 9 months ago
Maybe this will be the quietest 4 wheels motorsport in the world. I can't wait to see the final result!
oOBeaverzOo 9 months ago
I wonder if the enormous spoiler on the rear is necessary at these speeds, but I applaud the effort Nissan is making. Results from this experiment will trickle down to the second generation Leaf and make it a better, dare I say it, every day car.
advandermeer 9 months ago
I wonder how many metres can this thing go before switching to power-saving or stamnia mode?
jamsbong 9 months ago
i want one
ViperVenom 9 months ago 15
the battery can handle more power. they just need more powerful motor/controller. and they should have. the image of the leaf cannot be salvaged, it's heavy slow and ugly and they shouldn't try. much better to improve the image of nissan so the leaf is a little cool by association. they could easily do a 3.5second car. a 7 second car is just not impressive at all. they need to make an EV that will devastate the GT-R. make the petrol heads think. they don't do it on their own.
DanFrederiksen 9 months ago
Electric cars are over 90% efficient.
"Modern" Internal combustion engine are only 16% efficient. Where does the rest go? Heat.
ConceptVBS 9 months ago
@ConceptVBS Are you running for governor or something? Realistically, you need to factor in the efficiency of the "process" it takes to "make and deliver electricity". The avg efficiency of a power plant is 41% and the avg efficiency of the power grid that transfers electricity is 91%. Since the electric car must get its energy through this process, 41% x 91% x 90% = 33.6% efficency. This is still good! But there's no reason to be sneaky with the facts.
r3vmixman 9 months ago
Awesome direction cars are taking in Japan. Can't wait to see the technology trickle down to consumer vehicles so we can start driving electrics. The dinosaur cars we're driving now just don't compare on any level to what is possible with an electric platform.
youtubasoarus 9 months ago 4
@youtubasoarus except that's wrong. electric vehicles WILL never be as efficient as petrol driven cars. There's not much possible with electric vehicles. Until we find a batteries that can last more than 100-200 miles per charge electric vehicles will be jokes. Also lithium ion are very scarce resources, which is what batteries are made of, not only are they expensive to make, it's also expensive and destructive to the environment. Hydrogen will be the future. Electric vehicles will not.
carloslovesmangoes 9 months ago
@carloslovesmangoes -- Well that is certainly one opinion of many, but Nissan and other companies are going with what is viable right now. Not what is viable in 20 years. Hydrogen has already been tested and played with quite a bit in the last 15 years. If it were a viable alternative, it would already be on the market. It is used a little bit in Europe, but not widely spread. Nissan and other companies, as you can see, are going with Electric.
youtubasoarus 9 months ago
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Rithecomputerguy 5 months ago
@carloslovesmangoes Well the only reason Hydrogen would win over electric is because of money, See you have to use electricity to extract hydrogen. Reason is that hydrogen does not exist alone on earth, so we use electricity to get it. (We get 70% / 85% electricity from coal) So I can say yeah your right hydrogen might win. But not because its better, but because there is more money to be made with it. Look up electrolysis. (yes i understand there is more ways to get hydrogen)
Rithecomputerguy 5 months ago
this car is enormous
alicheddadi 9 months ago
this is a future of motorsport :) anybody saying "electric cars are boring and no soul" is just backward
xDamianoo 9 months ago
how many laps can it do on one charge?
roywhiteo5 9 months ago
@roywhiteo5 Tuned to perform at max speed for about 20mn, same range than thermic race cars.
As batteries keep on improving, range will increase as well, it's the first "next gen" race car after all.
subtheo 9 months ago
v8 sound and sold
Tilps01 9 months ago