Penn has even a little bit of respect for a right wing crazy reactionary fear monger? Penn Jilletee ladies and gentlemen.. the atheist libertarian who got to be on Donald Trumps stupid ass show because he believes so strongly in capitalism and the 'free' market.
We should remember that broader context that people have when dealing with virtually anyone. When we don't, we tend to view people through a stereotype or cartoon, and I think this is much of the cause of political and sociological polarization. There's concrete reasons why people believe what they believe, and its dependent on life experiences and perspectives that we, ourselves, might not necessarily share.
I tried to give Beck the "Crazy Uncle" pass that Penn gives him, but I couldn't. I have too many friends parrot to me the nutty things that Beck says. It's all funny and weird, like the uncle, until people start taking his bullshit for gospel.
@cynicalotter I have been listening to GB since Reps nominated John McCain (are you kidding me). It really is increadible the things that people parrot to me that Beck "said". I listen to his 3 hour morning show pretty much every day and people love to hate Beck and the news knows it. I'd confidently say 75% or more are out of context or intentionally misleading edits to get people to watch or buy. NOONE can be defined by a headline and that goes for President Obama himself.
@ocelot113 Well I actually listened to him before. I get this sense that he is anti authority. he thinks authoritarianism is bad for humanity. He think the government when they make a law intended for good or bad. Is bad because it forces ppl to pay or to enfroll in a problem. However i find this to be a bit condrictary because ok with forcing moral values down our throats and he ok with beleive god as an super authority figure.
@cynicalotter "... until people start taking his bullshit for gospel." Everyone goes through that with someone or some news channel or whatever. People are easily manipulated, but Beck does his best to prove beyond a resonable doubt before spouting off. He'd admit he sometimes gets anxious and speaks before fully understanding things or "lies" as the news enjoys reporting but more often than not he brings it up to appologies the next show. That doesn't make the headlines though.
I sympathize with Fox News reporters as a 'liberal' or 'left-wing nut' because I watch the shit to hear the argument against me. We have much common ground, but the big money makers like Murdoch need to be in constant dissent by the people, as of now.
I can't and won't listen to hundreds of hours of Glenn Beck to "get" him. He doesn't deserve it, because deep down inside, he's still a fucking nut. All the ranting about socialism is coming and it's going to pervert society and the liberals are conspiring for it is just fucking nuts, period.
@aluisious Actually it's not nuts. Beck doesn't fully understand it and often blames people he shouldn't but the socialists are very much causing harm to this country and others.
@aluisious LOL if they all called themselves socialists & wore their label on their foreheads it would make it too easy for people like you.
I can see you'll have to start from scratch to learn how to think critically but I suggest you look at the change in the western world since the end of WWII to find answers.
@Maytag99 Condescending you said I don't know what I'm talking about.
Talking about the ppl who created the words you use today like "socialist" etc. Before the manifesto they were a secret society, then Marxist Communist Trotskyist Socialist Social Democrat Internationalist etc until a few decades ago. Now they're Neocons pretending to be American conservatives patriots nationalists. Of course they don't like being called neocons.
I'm talking about big government warmongers & liars.
@FantasticBob7000 No, it's not that you don't know what you're talking about... it's that you're unclear. It sounds like you're saying that your definition of "socialist" is a "big government warmonger & liar"... is that correct?" A couple of points: 1. That's a very vague definition. 2. It's an unconventional definition that would cause you to confuse people when you use the word "socialist." It's no wonder you were confusing Aluisious.
@Maytag99 That's not my definition it just sums up what they are. Look beyond labels & superficial pretense. I'm talking about the ppl who created the words you use & influenced ppl like yourself in ways you're not even aware of. You think good conditions for workers means rejecting patriotism? Guess who planted that idea. You think the rabble rousers of early 1900's disappeared because Russia isn't communist anymore? Think multiculturalism is spontaneous & organic? Think again.
@FantasticBob7000 I'm not hung up on labels at all. I'm simply trying to understand what you mean when you use certain words, like "socialist." It seems like you are *not* using the standard definition of the word. That's going to make discussing these concepts confusing, don't you think?
@FantasticBob7000 It's pretty obvious to everyone that you don't actually know the definition of socialism. That's why you keep dodging me when I repeatedly ask you. Don't you feel embarrassed? If you didn't know it, you should have just been honest in the first place.
@Maytag99 LOL read my posts again, there's some questions there that you seem to avoid.
It really wouldn't be hard for me to copy & paste wikipedia's definition for you if that's what would impress you but I figured I'd try to make you think a little more than the average internet genius.
@FantasticBob7000 It's not that I was avoiding your other points, I just saw them as a desperate attempt to change the subject on your part. You never answered my original question, "how do you define socialism"? So you're now saying that you agree with wikipedia's definition? You should have said so from the beginning. You do realize that in no way applies to Obama, right?
@Maytag99 Ok... I'm not sure at this point if you're baiting me or if you're really this dumb. Sure I said my definition of socialist is the same as Wikipedia's. Apparently I also said something or other about Obama.
This reminds me of a Dilbert strip where Ratbert's worrying he's not smart enough to post comments on the internet, then he read a few & says "I'm in."
@FantasticBob7000 Oh, so you don't consider Obama a socialist? Sorry, I just assumed that's what you meant with what you said earlier. Anyway, I'd rather not talk to you anymore if you're just going to give snarky answers and no real answers. Have a nice day.
@Maytag99 LOL I never said anything about Obama earlier. I think you have brain damage or something. In any case you need a serious remedial course in reading comprehension.
I think I'm done here too, it's been... interesting. Have a nice day now.
@FantasticBob7000 That's quite all right. I was having a discussion with someone else about whether Obama is a socialist, so I had Obama on the brain when I was talking to you. Sorry.
@FantasticBob7000 According to the wikipedia definition, a socialist is someone who advocates total government control over the distribution of goods. Obama has never claimed to want this. He has advocated for certain government programs, but if being in favor of government programs makes you a socialist then everyone is a socialist, you included. So which of these is true: 1. Obama isn't a socialist. 2. Everyone's a socialist. 3. You are using the word wrong.
sadly the world is not as smart as penn, not everyone can be exposed to glenn beck and respect him, also not everyone can be exposed to glen backs insanity and not be poisoned by it to further the progress of ignorance. still i love this man, i have not before heard words and views like his and i appreciate that. i also have to come out of the closet, this is embarrassing to say but i too occasionally think bill o'rielly's heart is in the right place, he's just to ignorant to know that
This makes me kinder in evaluating people in my own life, especially at work. That asshole at work might just have made a wrong decision because he's flawed, and I'm OK with him now.
Who cares whether beneath it all Beck is a good guy? He has a public forum, access to millions (although perhaps now only thousands) of people, and he uses it to foment fear and irrationality amongst Americans.
It's like when I see Bill Maher cozying up to people like Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly (he's actually NOT THAT bad in real life)... who cares? They're irrational and irresponsible demagogues, and you should lynch them publically.
If afterwards, you want to go have a beer with them, fine
@MrJercules Yeah, in the end I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take out of this video. Okay, Glenn Beck might be a pretty normal guy, and I probably have amicable relationships with people like him with or without my knowledge. I guess some people don't realize that, idk. But what he does is still sensationalism poorly disguised as a reasoned worldview. On the other hand, it's possible that the nature of the show means Beck is just preaching to the choir. Maybe that's Penn's point.
@mistereveready Once you see a man standing on a table dressed in lederhosen and drawing conspiracy theories on a chalkboard, you know the end is nigh.
“The normal is that which nobody quite is. If you listen to seemingly dull people very closely, you'll see that they're all mad in different and interesting ways, and are merely struggling to hide it.”
I think Glenn Beck is insane, I have heard him speak and the verbal diarrhea that tumbles out of his mouth at times is vomit inducing. However I am glad, that I live in a country where even a lunatic like Beck can have his moment in front of the camera and express his opinion. That's freedom of speech right there...Even the lunatics can have thier say :)
@MrOpinion1971 “There are periods of history when the visions of madmen and dope fiends are a better guide to reality than the common-sense interpretation of data available to the so-called normal mind. This is one such period, if you haven't noticed already.”
@econogate no no really, he is insane...No joke, this guy's delusional,paranoid,ignorant and deeply religious. Obviously a dangerous combination to be sure. He needs a good dose of eletroshock and 50cc's of thorazine. He thinks Hitler & the Nazis are after his magic bag of beans. This guy needs help, serious help. You watch, one day we'll be reading about him shooting some poor schmuck who vaugely resembled goering or rommel or somebody....
Some conservatives have good triats,,but they r so Closed Minded, if I had a time machine,I would make them go back to 1920 they should relive that and 1960, cause they still are holding on to those times ,changes,2012 they dont seem to fit into the future very well
Penn is a frequent guest on Fox News. Sucking up to the likes of Beck is a cheap price to pay for the exposure he gets from Right Wing media.
"Tolerating" Beck is hypocritical given the absolute lack of respect for people on the left for whom Penn has no tolerance. I'm no fan of Beck, and I'm no fan of Penn. Not funny, not informative, you get very little for the time you give them.
As a person inclined closer to a Christian perspective than an atheist one, I LOVE THIS GUY. I just find myself nodding my head in cheerful agreement at everything he says.
Penn is full of shit. he goes after literals/ vegetarians / environmentalists / ect ect ect. all the time and chews them up and spits them out, and doesn't treat them or their ideas like people at all. A huge double standard is applied when he regards the right, who he can always fine an excuse for.
@fatheadnumber215 You're taking it out of the very context he's talking about. He's a public comedian/magician. He's a joker and a prankster, everyone that was ever torn a new asshole by Penn knows that and have every right to do so in return.
@fatheadnumber215 if you believe something whole heartily with full conviction then you have a responsibility to share it with the world and debate people who you feel are spreading an incorrect message to others Penn is doing simply that his comedic background does tend to give an illusion of demeaning but you can always see at the end of his discussions with people he understands that people are not their beliefs their beliefs are a part of them and he respects the person but not the beliefs
Glen Beck is not a nut - he's a calculating opportunist. Penn is naive. In one of his other videos he says that everyone is "trying to do what's right, in their own way." He obviously has this take on Glen Beck. I think someone as morally contemptible as Glen Beck should be condemned, not apologized for.
I'm really torn on Glenn Beck, because unlike Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, etc. I suspect deep down he genuinely believes most of what he says. He knows how to play to a crowd, but there's an element to his complaints about government that is real and true. Penn's comparison to Howard Stern is spot on. They're both assholes, they both know how to manipulate listeners, but they're still decent people. I think.
I agree with Penn, often we forget that people are more important than ideas. Even Glenn Beck is loved and appreciated by someone. He talks about what he thinks is going to help people. We often get way too hostile toward people who don't agree with us.
@Grafight23 Yeah, well Glenn Beck often gets too hostile with people who don't agree with him. Still though, you're right, but Glenn Beck should listen to this video and heed Penn's advice as well.
It seems when a public figure ventures into areas of religion they immediately become polarizing and often more well known for their religious perspectives than their talent.
Sorry Penn, but if you listen to Glenn Beck every day, you will understand his context only because you will have been conditioned to thinking like a nut. The idea that you can take 15 minutes of before-and-after of something and still take it out-of-context doesn't make sense to me, unless the whole 30-minute time span is an act, so I guess if you're a comedian... then again, Glenn Beck is just a clown on TV, so maybe this out-of-context theory is true for him...
It reminds me of the famous Will Rogers response, about how every person, if you take the time to sit down and get to know them, you'll find something to like about them.
or maybe you just like glenn beck because youre a couple of rich white fat cats who live outside the real world. you can afford to act buddy buddy with a scumbag racist manipulative bastard like beck who has the power to actively ruin the lives of ordinary americans. but i guess thats just "part of his job and its ok". penn is just another hypocrite celebrity out for a buck whos ego has been inflated by years of fame to the point he thinks his condescending babble is "bigthink"
That crazy uncle didn't believe in something like the end of the world and scientists don't believe, they just accept facts for what they are, like Glenn Beck being a bigot and a fear monger who I have taken the time to listen to rant, rave and cry over and over like the manic nut he is.
@jonny7748 It's strange that me, another person who took the time to watch many episodes of Glenn Beck before and after his Fox News time, thinks he has right information and overdramatic presentation. Not a bigot or fear monger.
It concerns me that he endeavors to promote Howard Stern as some sort of "deep thinker" - or, maybe, he's just saying that he completely reveals himself if you listen to him enough (so what?). Howard Stern doesn't offend me, I just don't find him the least bit interesting or entertaining. His extraordinary popularity, in my opinion, is due to his intellectual accessibility for the average cretin. I heard the same quality of locker room humor from 90% of kids in my high school. Geez.
@tnekkc ,I am sad to say I listened to Glen Beck for YEARS. I started sometime in late 2002 and ended sometime 2008. I disagreed with almost everything he said, but found it interesting.
What I can say is his views today are far more radical than when I was listening to him on the radio. Many of them I would almost categorize as dangerous.
@tnekkc I don't find Stewart very funny :| Glenn can be overdramatic, but he has good info and presentation. Not many people can make me laugh, but good info is always nice. Especially since drama doesn't bother me.
Penn's confused because he's a libertarian, which means he's not a fan of government. Beck's also no fan of government but for different reasons. That's why Penn is finding it so hard to admit that Beck is kind of nuts.
This man is such a pseudo-intellectual fraud. If you actually know thinks, he is sort of nauseatingly stupid. Stick to card tricks, you repulsive, horrible dancer. For god's sakes, stop thinking you're intelligent.
The problem is that back in the day, the crazy people were a fringe that had to be sought out by their audience. Now crazy extremists have their own podiums everywhere, and the worst part of it is the ones who are disguised as journalists. Abby Hoffman was an extremist, and he looked like an extremist, and presented himself as such. People like Beck are extremist fringe crazy assholes disguised as normal.
As crazy as this sounds, I would so vote for a Ron Paul / Penn Jillette. You would have the religious president, with the atheists vice, but both libertarian.
@Luis568369 can you provide any examples of that? As I can see regulations and restrictions make sure that a small business cannot start up and thus allow the rich to get richer. Hell, in france they don't even have OSHA, and yet people are not dying. You know what is happening? they have many small restaurant businesses that are family owned for over 100 years. In America, they would all be shut down, but instead they have a thriving small business.
@bluefootedpig I can provide 30 years of it if you must agree that america has been following conservative economics for almost 30 years and will they might not be entirely libertarian you would agree that implementing even small amounts of an economic doctrine if right should still produce better results than following a failed economic doctrine entirely
@Luis568369 sure, only if I get to go the same with yours, where a socialist ran government, even with a little socialism, should be an improvement. So with that line of logic, communist countries would be the perfect example of state ran economy. So lets take the best / worst of communism vs free market, and see what the two extremes get you.
@bluefootedpig No because you've taken it to far government needs to implement socialism or capitalism in order to try to reach a balance or the center libertarianism takes they economy to far to the right and any form of extreme economic view weather left or right will collapse
@Luis568369 sorry, I missed your reply. But I won't reply, feel free to believe you won. Lets forget though that for the vast majority of this country, we have had a libertarian government, and it wasn't until the first economic crisis happened before it changed. Since that first 200+ year cycle to crash, we have had 3 crashes. So 1 in 100 years or so, vs 3 in 100 years, which economic system appears to be doing better?
@bluefootedpig That is idiotic their were not many economic crises in the past because economic activity was never this complicated were you have a global economy and if the founding fathers were libertarian then they would have stayed with the articles of confederation and not have created the constitution
@bluefootedpig So it would only stand to reason that america should have been better of after 30 years if following right wing economic doctrine than before when we had a center-left economic policy but we are not corporations have been allowed to grow massively and guess what Walmart destroys more small buisness than regulations
@Luis568369 walmart does destroy businesses, but businesses cannot start up due to massive regulations. It is very difficult for an average person to start up a restaurant and meet every osha standard. Therefore, by logic, we can see that it is more difficult to start a business, and with less competition, places like walmart will thrive.
@bluefootedpig You seem to forget Rockefeller created a monopoly when their were absolutely no regulations in fact regulations were created because of him and the other robber barons monopoly's can come about with or without government regulations but its only government that can end them aka creating laws that force them to compete
@bluefootedpig And what are you taking about France has universal healthcare the free market left alone will form monopoly like they have in america that is without saying and that is what has happened
@Luis568369 monopolies are only formed with regulation. Every monopoly we have had in the US has been with the help of the government. AT&T, which is the largest known monopoly that got broken up, got that way with the government help.
@Luis568369 also, we can look at Monsanto, which is basically a monopoly on farming, and with all the farm subsides from the government, plus allowing them to hinder free speech, allows them to keep their hold. It is illegal in some states to talk bad about monsanto, how do you get that WITHOUT regulations?
@bluefootedpig Simple by buying the government something that only a libertarian free market can create because its only a libertarian economic system that would allow corporations to grow as large as they have since according to you their's no reason for government to stop the grow of corporations
@Luis568369 vs what we have now, where a new business cannot even start up due to regulations. What is worse, keeping competition out or allowing competition to be bought up. Lets also ignore that america rose in quality of living the fastest during a time of economic freedom.
@bluefootedpig This idea that economic freedom creates economic growth is a fallacy in fact the greatest expansion of wealth ever was the industrial revolution when freedom was limited so no freedom and economic expansion don't go hand and hand like you libertarians say
@Luis568369 well, we can see what no economic freedom does. Brazil has very little, you are not allowed to own land, so the government can come in and take it without asking. Their economic growth is extremely low. We can go to communist china or N. Korea, where economic freedom is at the least, and we can see there that economic growth is extremely low as well. We can see that as economic freedom decreases, growth and prosperity slow.
@bluefootedpig That's ignoring the massive economic growth that the Soviet Union created in the 50's and whats your point there i never said economic freedom's don't create economic growth i just said Libertarians ignore that government can create economic short term economic growth in fact communism is best at "jump starting an economy
@bluefootedpig But i agree that our system of regulations is to complex but i'm not you were you believe that the EPA and the FDA should be destroyed aka after you've cleaned they environment its a good idea to keep it clean something that is to intellectually complex for your idiot idol stossel to understand
@Luis568369 You might want to look into the corruption of those agencies. The FDA has said it will never approve any drug that has only one patient holder, no matter how many lives it saves. This was said when a cancer fight drug was discovered by one man, what raised cancer survival rates from 1% to 30%, and the FDA went after him. The question of "does it work" never came up, only that it was not approved by the FDA. FDA is just a branch of Big Pharma.
@bluefootedpig I never said there wasn't i believe the government needs major reform not be eliminated completely because government can be effective just look at NASA and CERN for Europe they've made the modern world and there government operated
@Luis568369 You are right, there are some nice things if government is done properly. Properly is to be the first to implement something, lay the ground structure, then step back for the private sector to take over. For example, long distance phone service was first offered by the government, after 3 companies got into the market, the government got out and now long distance is free. That, to me, is how governments should behave.
Did you not hear about how he has met Glenn Beck multiple times? I think he would be in a much better position to judge the man's intentions than you. Also, I've found that people tend to dismiss what Beck says just because it was Beck that said it. I personally agree with Penn. To me, Glenn Beck seems more like a well-intentioned buffoon than a Charles Manson.
I like the humility and honesty he has with himself and the watchers. I would like very much to see many celebrities/political figures have these qualities. This made me feel as though I was really sitting down in a room with him. Well said Penn.
Beck is dangerous. I Like Penn. I don't always agree with him, but I like him. You can tell he is a good person. He believes in people, and I don't want to sound condescending, but it's a bit naive to have such faith in human kind. Beck is Charlie Manson. He's not just a guy with an opinion, and if you would just here him out you'd understand. He's a serious nut bar, not to be taken lightly... Your crazy uncle doesn't have a national platform in which to share his strange beliefs. Beck does.
@twistedfocus100 KK... let me think.. where did the mass and energy come from to create the Big Bang, if I move on to the current Wave theory... where did they come and why did they collide and create the universe? Now if energy can neither be created nor destroyed simply transformed, and E = MC squared, where did the current amount of mass and energy come from? We don't know, thus Atheism is as much a religion as any other; since its concepts are still based on faith. :)
@Eginyn atheism makes no claims, so not really. Atheism just says that it wasn't God. You say that it wasn't every other god than yours. Rejecting a single possibility when there's no direct evidence for any view takes less faith than embracing one. There are degrees of faith. Saying "I don't believe because there's no evidence" may technically take faith, but you do it in rational thinking on a daily basis, because you know it takes far less faith than "I believe despite the lack of evidence"
@IIRobertll Atheism does make a claim. Not making a god claim is a claim in itself. You couldn't argue with anyone if you didn't have a claim. Atheism is the belief that you are god. You make the rules and believe whatever, even if other evidence goes against you. The reason why atheism takes more faith is because it disregards all contrary evidence. I am simply stating what atheism is, that is all.
@crockett297 WOW, you described religion and called it atheism... ha ha ha Lets look at the word. Atheism defined as without theism. Atheism makes no claim that we are god... We don't claim to have made this place. Also we don't simply discard any thing to the contrary. We critical think it through and come to a conclusion. slight difference from just discarding...... It is the people of a god type faith that just discard anything to the contrary. As faith it's self tells you to do.
@twistedfocus100 You left out my last part. Can you see all of yourself? It takes faith just to believe in you. There is no getting around this one. The problem with atheism is it makes an authoritative claim, declaring there are no deities. How can the atheist make an authoritative claim if they don't believe in authority? The only way is to have faith and believe. Faith is not blindly believing, it is believing what you see. I cannot see all of me, but I have faith and believe in what I do see
@crockett297 using your logic, everything is just neurons fingering in your brain. so how do you know anything to be true or to be nothing more than faith? Jump off a building and gravity will soon prove its self... Its like this, go into a room full of people who have not concept of GOD and say there is no god... is that faith?
@twistedfocus100 Yes, we do believe in the things we see, but since we can't see all of our self do we stop believing? No we don't. The same is with God. No one can see all of God but we can see part of God. Only God can make an authoritative claim. People who realize faith is real say "I believe in God" vs. an atheist will say "God does not exist", an authoritative claim.
@crockett297 Atheists don't necessarily make authoritative claims about god. It depends on the atheist.
Anyway, you're using the word "faith" in kind of a weird way. You say it's "believing in what you see"? Do you mean that literally? Does that mean you don't believe in air because you don't see it? If that's not what you mean, then what do you mean by "believing what you see"?
@crockett297 you're arguing semantics here. A "claim" that unicorns don't exist is clearly not on the same level as a claim that they do. Refusal and proposal are not equivalent. The idea of burden of proof should make that obvious.
Atheists don't believe that they're God. It's (typically, not by definition) a belief that rules governing good behaviour come out of humanist principles (the golden rule, etc.) that make no reference to a deity. Also, what evidence are you talking about? News to me.
@IIRobertll Everything takes faith. The reason why athiests cant "claim" anything is because they don't have the athority to. People who have faith don't make claims, they just have faith. That is why they say "I believe in God" vs an athiest will say "God does not exist". There is definity a contrast. Athiests try to make athoritative claims, so infact they do try to pose as God. There is evidence for a deity all around. The One who knows things no man can know and tells the world. That is God.
@Eginyn so science is Atheism? not sure where your going with this one. it is not a faith. it is simply without god (without theism). The Wave theory is atheist? Your an atheist as well. I just be leave in one less god than you...
@twistedfocus100 Says you? From what I said atheism believes that you are god and that all other possible gods are not in existence. Atheism doesn't believe in deities, but then who is making the claim that there are no deities, the atheist. Claiming there are no deities is an authoritative claim only a deity could make. Just because you don't believe in a deity doesn't mean you don't have faith. Can you see all of yourself? And yet the atheist doesn't believe in faith. Do you exist? Faith is.
@Eginyn Your completely leaving out the theory's of these faiths. Sure in the end we don't know. But to use the first atom theory to prove the foundations of religion to be just as true as science, that is just blind faith or ignorance. Think before you use such things to prove nonsense. KK...
Glenn Beck is a good guy, he's just a religious nut. But his views on Economy are mostly right, and he's trying to save America from the commies. He's also a Libertarian, just like Penn Jillette.
Penn has even a little bit of respect for a right wing crazy reactionary fear monger? Penn Jilletee ladies and gentlemen.. the atheist libertarian who got to be on Donald Trumps stupid ass show because he believes so strongly in capitalism and the 'free' market.
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iihippoii 1 day ago
We should remember that broader context that people have when dealing with virtually anyone. When we don't, we tend to view people through a stereotype or cartoon, and I think this is much of the cause of political and sociological polarization. There's concrete reasons why people believe what they believe, and its dependent on life experiences and perspectives that we, ourselves, might not necessarily share.
JNathanK2011 3 days ago
3:57 translation: if you let Faux News brainwash you....
MasterChieeff 5 days ago
FUCK YOU GLEN BECK
ARobs42 6 days ago
@ARobs42 clearly an intellectual comment
ocelot113 6 days ago
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ARobs42 6 days ago
The medium is the message? You have no understanding of my work. --Marshall McLuhan
bvolsky 1 week ago
I tried to give Beck the "Crazy Uncle" pass that Penn gives him, but I couldn't. I have too many friends parrot to me the nutty things that Beck says. It's all funny and weird, like the uncle, until people start taking his bullshit for gospel.
cynicalotter 1 week ago
@cynicalotter I have been listening to GB since Reps nominated John McCain (are you kidding me). It really is increadible the things that people parrot to me that Beck "said". I listen to his 3 hour morning show pretty much every day and people love to hate Beck and the news knows it. I'd confidently say 75% or more are out of context or intentionally misleading edits to get people to watch or buy. NOONE can be defined by a headline and that goes for President Obama himself.
ocelot113 1 week ago
@ocelot113 Well I actually listened to him before. I get this sense that he is anti authority. he thinks authoritarianism is bad for humanity. He think the government when they make a law intended for good or bad. Is bad because it forces ppl to pay or to enfroll in a problem. However i find this to be a bit condrictary because ok with forcing moral values down our throats and he ok with beleive god as an super authority figure.
MrBrony444 2 days ago
@cynicalotter "... until people start taking his bullshit for gospel." Everyone goes through that with someone or some news channel or whatever. People are easily manipulated, but Beck does his best to prove beyond a resonable doubt before spouting off. He'd admit he sometimes gets anxious and speaks before fully understanding things or "lies" as the news enjoys reporting but more often than not he brings it up to appologies the next show. That doesn't make the headlines though.
ocelot113 1 week ago
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ocelot113 1 week ago
I sympathize with Fox News reporters as a 'liberal' or 'left-wing nut' because I watch the shit to hear the argument against me. We have much common ground, but the big money makers like Murdoch need to be in constant dissent by the people, as of now.
wojovox 1 week ago
I can't and won't listen to hundreds of hours of Glenn Beck to "get" him. He doesn't deserve it, because deep down inside, he's still a fucking nut. All the ranting about socialism is coming and it's going to pervert society and the liberals are conspiring for it is just fucking nuts, period.
aluisious 1 week ago
@aluisious Actually it's not nuts. Beck doesn't fully understand it and often blames people he shouldn't but the socialists are very much causing harm to this country and others.
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 Which socialists? You have no idea what you're talking about. Name one socialist in the US.
aluisious 1 week ago
@aluisious LOL if they all called themselves socialists & wore their label on their foreheads it would make it too easy for people like you.
I can see you'll have to start from scratch to learn how to think critically but I suggest you look at the change in the western world since the end of WWII to find answers.
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 Instead of that condescending answer, what you really need to do is to define what you mean by the word "socialist."
Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99 Condescending you said I don't know what I'm talking about.
Talking about the ppl who created the words you use today like "socialist" etc. Before the manifesto they were a secret society, then Marxist Communist Trotskyist Socialist Social Democrat Internationalist etc until a few decades ago. Now they're Neocons pretending to be American conservatives patriots nationalists. Of course they don't like being called neocons.
I'm talking about big government warmongers & liars.
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Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99 Why did you remove your comment?
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
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@FantasticBob7000 No, it's not that you don't know what you're talking about... it's that you're unclear. It sounds like you're saying that your definition of "socialist" is a "big government warmonger & liar"... is that correct?" A couple of points: 1. That's a very vague definition. 2. It's an unconventional definition that would cause you to confuse people when you use the word "socialist." It's no wonder you were confusing Aluisious.
Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@Maytag99 That's not my definition it just sums up what they are. Look beyond labels & superficial pretense. I'm talking about the ppl who created the words you use & influenced ppl like yourself in ways you're not even aware of. You think good conditions for workers means rejecting patriotism? Guess who planted that idea. You think the rabble rousers of early 1900's disappeared because Russia isn't communist anymore? Think multiculturalism is spontaneous & organic? Think again.
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 I'm not hung up on labels at all. I'm simply trying to understand what you mean when you use certain words, like "socialist." It seems like you are *not* using the standard definition of the word. That's going to make discussing these concepts confusing, don't you think?
Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99 If you're still confused at this point I can't help you.
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 Try using the word "socialism" correctly and you won't confuse people next time.
Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99 I think you mean the easily confused. You probably think China is still communist.
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 It's pretty obvious to everyone that you don't actually know the definition of socialism. That's why you keep dodging me when I repeatedly ask you. Don't you feel embarrassed? If you didn't know it, you should have just been honest in the first place.
Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99 LOL read my posts again, there's some questions there that you seem to avoid.
It really wouldn't be hard for me to copy & paste wikipedia's definition for you if that's what would impress you but I figured I'd try to make you think a little more than the average internet genius.
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 It's not that I was avoiding your other points, I just saw them as a desperate attempt to change the subject on your part. You never answered my original question, "how do you define socialism"? So you're now saying that you agree with wikipedia's definition? You should have said so from the beginning. You do realize that in no way applies to Obama, right?
Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99 Ok... I'm not sure at this point if you're baiting me or if you're really this dumb. Sure I said my definition of socialist is the same as Wikipedia's. Apparently I also said something or other about Obama.
This reminds me of a Dilbert strip where Ratbert's worrying he's not smart enough to post comments on the internet, then he read a few & says "I'm in."
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 Oh, so you don't consider Obama a socialist? Sorry, I just assumed that's what you meant with what you said earlier. Anyway, I'd rather not talk to you anymore if you're just going to give snarky answers and no real answers. Have a nice day.
Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99 LOL I never said anything about Obama earlier. I think you have brain damage or something. In any case you need a serious remedial course in reading comprehension.
I think I'm done here too, it's been... interesting. Have a nice day now.
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 Yes, I know you never said anything about Obama. I apologized, and you responded by saying that I have brain damage.
Maytag99 1 week ago
@Maytag99 That's true, I see that now. Sorry about that.
FantasticBob7000 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 That's quite all right. I was having a discussion with someone else about whether Obama is a socialist, so I had Obama on the brain when I was talking to you. Sorry.
Maytag99 1 week ago
@FantasticBob7000 According to the wikipedia definition, a socialist is someone who advocates total government control over the distribution of goods. Obama has never claimed to want this. He has advocated for certain government programs, but if being in favor of government programs makes you a socialist then everyone is a socialist, you included. So which of these is true: 1. Obama isn't a socialist. 2. Everyone's a socialist. 3. You are using the word wrong.
Maytag99 1 week ago
sadly the world is not as smart as penn, not everyone can be exposed to glenn beck and respect him, also not everyone can be exposed to glen backs insanity and not be poisoned by it to further the progress of ignorance. still i love this man, i have not before heard words and views like his and i appreciate that. i also have to come out of the closet, this is embarrassing to say but i too occasionally think bill o'rielly's heart is in the right place, he's just to ignorant to know that
imbadatpickingnames 2 weeks ago
sun ra is amazing
imbadatpickingnames 2 weeks ago
We're just taking him out of context? Give me a break!
TheReligionkills 2 weeks ago
This makes me kinder in evaluating people in my own life, especially at work. That asshole at work might just have made a wrong decision because he's flawed, and I'm OK with him now.
ghuegel 2 weeks ago 4
Well, I'm ok with people arming deer, but arm bears and you've crossed the line.
norcofreerider604 3 weeks ago
Who cares whether beneath it all Beck is a good guy? He has a public forum, access to millions (although perhaps now only thousands) of people, and he uses it to foment fear and irrationality amongst Americans.
It's like when I see Bill Maher cozying up to people like Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly (he's actually NOT THAT bad in real life)... who cares? They're irrational and irresponsible demagogues, and you should lynch them publically.
If afterwards, you want to go have a beer with them, fine
MrJercules 3 weeks ago
@MrJercules Yeah, in the end I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take out of this video. Okay, Glenn Beck might be a pretty normal guy, and I probably have amicable relationships with people like him with or without my knowledge. I guess some people don't realize that, idk. But what he does is still sensationalism poorly disguised as a reasoned worldview. On the other hand, it's possible that the nature of the show means Beck is just preaching to the choir. Maybe that's Penn's point.
capefeather 3 weeks ago
Ever since Glenn Back got canned from Fox, losing 90% of his audience in the process, he's vanished into the ether. Good riddance.
squamish4244 3 weeks ago
@squamish4244 Agreed. I respect his right to say his bullshit, but doesn't mean i can't rejoice when he finally shuts the fuck up.
mistereveready 3 weeks ago
@mistereveready Once you see a man standing on a table dressed in lederhosen and drawing conspiracy theories on a chalkboard, you know the end is nigh.
squamish4244 3 weeks ago
“The normal is that which nobody quite is. If you listen to seemingly dull people very closely, you'll see that they're all mad in different and interesting ways, and are merely struggling to hide it.”
― Robert Anton Wilson, Masks of the Illuminati
econogate 3 weeks ago
You're my hero.
DarksideChaotix 4 weeks ago
Late Night With Adolf Hitler... tonight Mel Brooks! Jon Stewart! and music by Kanye West!
Now that I'd sit up to watch.
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awhitesoul2012 4 weeks ago
I'D go on a Hitler talk show. I don't agree with him exactly, but it'd be fun.
MnemonicHack 1 month ago
Sun Ra! Never thought I'd hear his name mentioned in a video with "Glenn Beck" in the title.
alspageddi 1 month ago
I think Glenn Beck is insane, I have heard him speak and the verbal diarrhea that tumbles out of his mouth at times is vomit inducing. However I am glad, that I live in a country where even a lunatic like Beck can have his moment in front of the camera and express his opinion. That's freedom of speech right there...Even the lunatics can have thier say :)
MrOpinion1971 1 month ago
@MrOpinion1971 “There are periods of history when the visions of madmen and dope fiends are a better guide to reality than the common-sense interpretation of data available to the so-called normal mind. This is one such period, if you haven't noticed already.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
econogate 3 weeks ago
@econogate no no really, he is insane...No joke, this guy's delusional,paranoid,ignorant and deeply religious. Obviously a dangerous combination to be sure. He needs a good dose of eletroshock and 50cc's of thorazine. He thinks Hitler & the Nazis are after his magic bag of beans. This guy needs help, serious help. You watch, one day we'll be reading about him shooting some poor schmuck who vaugely resembled goering or rommel or somebody....
MrOpinion1971 3 weeks ago
@MrOpinion1971 I stand by Mr'. Wilson's quote.
econogate 3 weeks ago
Some conservatives have good triats,,but they r so Closed Minded, if I had a time machine,I would make them go back to 1920 they should relive that and 1960, cause they still are holding on to those times ,changes,2012 they dont seem to fit into the future very well
illuminatedgirl 1 month ago
who else has read God, No
uldeskoolgamer 1 month ago
Penn is a frequent guest on Fox News. Sucking up to the likes of Beck is a cheap price to pay for the exposure he gets from Right Wing media.
"Tolerating" Beck is hypocritical given the absolute lack of respect for people on the left for whom Penn has no tolerance. I'm no fan of Beck, and I'm no fan of Penn. Not funny, not informative, you get very little for the time you give them.
ezdeth 1 month ago
As a person inclined closer to a Christian perspective than an atheist one, I LOVE THIS GUY. I just find myself nodding my head in cheerful agreement at everything he says.
v01741r31 1 month ago
I really like this guy. He gets people. This is how people ought to treat each other when they disagree.
TheStingyGingy 1 month ago
Penn is full of shit. he goes after literals/ vegetarians / environmentalists / ect ect ect. all the time and chews them up and spits them out, and doesn't treat them or their ideas like people at all. A huge double standard is applied when he regards the right, who he can always fine an excuse for.
Don't fall for this fake penitence
fatheadnumber215 1 month ago
@fatheadnumber215 You're taking it out of the very context he's talking about. He's a public comedian/magician. He's a joker and a prankster, everyone that was ever torn a new asshole by Penn knows that and have every right to do so in return.
MrMetallicMentality 1 month ago
@fatheadnumber215
Yeah, I hate literals too, they take everything so seriously...
marcfisher502 1 month ago
@fatheadnumber215 if you believe something whole heartily with full conviction then you have a responsibility to share it with the world and debate people who you feel are spreading an incorrect message to others Penn is doing simply that his comedic background does tend to give an illusion of demeaning but you can always see at the end of his discussions with people he understands that people are not their beliefs their beliefs are a part of them and he respects the person but not the beliefs
Suspectcobra 1 month ago
One man. Living outside the law. Glenn Beck: Rebel Without a Cause. Coming this Summer.
werebee 1 month ago 10
Penn is fucking cool!
MrBellender 1 month ago
Glen Beck is not a nut - he's a calculating opportunist. Penn is naive. In one of his other videos he says that everyone is "trying to do what's right, in their own way." He obviously has this take on Glen Beck. I think someone as morally contemptible as Glen Beck should be condemned, not apologized for.
ohms54 1 month ago
I'm really torn on Glenn Beck, because unlike Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, etc. I suspect deep down he genuinely believes most of what he says. He knows how to play to a crowd, but there's an element to his complaints about government that is real and true. Penn's comparison to Howard Stern is spot on. They're both assholes, they both know how to manipulate listeners, but they're still decent people. I think.
arsawyer84 1 month ago
@arsawyer84 But only Glenn Beck thinks he's Jesus.
MrDaemonic666 1 month ago
We all have that crazy uncle
rebreh1029 1 month ago
I agree with Penn, often we forget that people are more important than ideas. Even Glenn Beck is loved and appreciated by someone. He talks about what he thinks is going to help people. We often get way too hostile toward people who don't agree with us.
Grafight23 1 month ago 4
@Grafight23 Yeah, well Glenn Beck often gets too hostile with people who don't agree with him. Still though, you're right, but Glenn Beck should listen to this video and heed Penn's advice as well.
trevarsizemore 1 month ago
@trevarsizemore well said, I totally agree!
Grafight23 1 month ago
Everyday I try to be more like you Penn
usafadb 1 month ago 2
Eh... I really really love Penn, but I don't agree with him on this one.
MidnightSundowns 1 month ago
THANK YOU!
GlennBeckBookList 1 month ago
Love Penn!
AndrewAllenBrown 1 month ago
It seems when a public figure ventures into areas of religion they immediately become polarizing and often more well known for their religious perspectives than their talent.
stanleysteama 1 month ago
They're fun nuts until they implicitly advocate the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in the name of "freedom"
LeoKingofMen 1 month ago
Sorry Penn, but if you listen to Glenn Beck every day, you will understand his context only because you will have been conditioned to thinking like a nut. The idea that you can take 15 minutes of before-and-after of something and still take it out-of-context doesn't make sense to me, unless the whole 30-minute time span is an act, so I guess if you're a comedian... then again, Glenn Beck is just a clown on TV, so maybe this out-of-context theory is true for him...
eggiex1 1 month ago
I hope that I will be able to meet Penn one day. :)
Point1875 1 month ago
douche!
cleansingfire100 1 month ago
It reminds me of the famous Will Rogers response, about how every person, if you take the time to sit down and get to know them, you'll find something to like about them.
ShawnRavenfire 1 month ago 2
Sorry bro just doesn't add up at all. I'm sure he has no bad intentions but it's all adds up to nonsense.
Luke43168 1 month ago
YOU RATIONAL BASTARD YOU. I love you.
JohnnyStreets 1 month ago 26
or maybe you just like glenn beck because youre a couple of rich white fat cats who live outside the real world. you can afford to act buddy buddy with a scumbag racist manipulative bastard like beck who has the power to actively ruin the lives of ordinary americans. but i guess thats just "part of his job and its ok". penn is just another hypocrite celebrity out for a buck whos ego has been inflated by years of fame to the point he thinks his condescending babble is "bigthink"
walomoir 1 month ago
That crazy uncle didn't believe in something like the end of the world and scientists don't believe, they just accept facts for what they are, like Glenn Beck being a bigot and a fear monger who I have taken the time to listen to rant, rave and cry over and over like the manic nut he is.
jonny7748 1 month ago 2
@jonny7748 It's strange that me, another person who took the time to watch many episodes of Glenn Beck before and after his Fox News time, thinks he has right information and overdramatic presentation. Not a bigot or fear monger.
nemesisurvivorleon 2 weeks ago
This is why I will forever respect Penn Jillette. More people need to think like this.
xsnokex 2 months ago
This is a fantastic perspective.
zechariahwise 2 months ago
penn is a genius
Ottow102 2 months ago
It concerns me that he endeavors to promote Howard Stern as some sort of "deep thinker" - or, maybe, he's just saying that he completely reveals himself if you listen to him enough (so what?). Howard Stern doesn't offend me, I just don't find him the least bit interesting or entertaining. His extraordinary popularity, in my opinion, is due to his intellectual accessibility for the average cretin. I heard the same quality of locker room humor from 90% of kids in my high school. Geez.
guymerritt 2 months ago 3
I refuse to listen to Glen Beck, even though I probably agree with his values. He is an emotional alarmist.
I do listen to Jon Stewart, even though I disagree with him about many things. He is funny.
tnekkc 2 months ago 36
@tnekkc ,I am sad to say I listened to Glen Beck for YEARS. I started sometime in late 2002 and ended sometime 2008. I disagreed with almost everything he said, but found it interesting.
What I can say is his views today are far more radical than when I was listening to him on the radio. Many of them I would almost categorize as dangerous.
harshbarj 1 month ago 2
@tnekkc While I understand. I agree with Penn that to be a well rounded person we must study and listen to those we disagree with
dmfc593 3 weeks ago
@tnekkc Well said.
ccsmiley2 3 weeks ago
@tnekkc Exactly.
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 3 weeks ago
@tnekkc I don't find Stewart very funny :| Glenn can be overdramatic, but he has good info and presentation. Not many people can make me laugh, but good info is always nice. Especially since drama doesn't bother me.
nemesisurvivorleon 2 weeks ago
@nemesisurvivorleon
Liberals keep saying to me, "I am your worst nightmare, a liberal with a gun."
I tell them, "I am your worst nightmare, a conservative as extroverted as Jon Stewart"
tnekkc 2 weeks ago
Penn's confused because he's a libertarian, which means he's not a fan of government. Beck's also no fan of government but for different reasons. That's why Penn is finding it so hard to admit that Beck is kind of nuts.
Phi1618033 2 months ago
@Phi1618033 but he calls him a nut multiple times.
ihavemonkeysinmybutt 2 months ago
This man is such a pseudo-intellectual fraud. If you actually know thinks, he is sort of nauseatingly stupid. Stick to card tricks, you repulsive, horrible dancer. For god's sakes, stop thinking you're intelligent.
Mangina9000 2 months ago
@Mangina9000 How so mangina?
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RandytheViking17 2 months ago 26
@RandytheViking17 hahaha!!
itscat92 1 month ago
The Hitler Talk Show? Would not be any worse that what is on now.
darkwhitedirewolf 2 months ago 3
The problem is that back in the day, the crazy people were a fringe that had to be sought out by their audience. Now crazy extremists have their own podiums everywhere, and the worst part of it is the ones who are disguised as journalists. Abby Hoffman was an extremist, and he looked like an extremist, and presented himself as such. People like Beck are extremist fringe crazy assholes disguised as normal.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 2 months ago
As crazy as this sounds, I would so vote for a Ron Paul / Penn Jillette. You would have the religious president, with the atheists vice, but both libertarian.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig Libertarianism will fail as it will only lead to mass profits by a minority will the rest fail
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 can you provide any examples of that? As I can see regulations and restrictions make sure that a small business cannot start up and thus allow the rich to get richer. Hell, in france they don't even have OSHA, and yet people are not dying. You know what is happening? they have many small restaurant businesses that are family owned for over 100 years. In America, they would all be shut down, but instead they have a thriving small business.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig I can provide 30 years of it if you must agree that america has been following conservative economics for almost 30 years and will they might not be entirely libertarian you would agree that implementing even small amounts of an economic doctrine if right should still produce better results than following a failed economic doctrine entirely
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 sure, only if I get to go the same with yours, where a socialist ran government, even with a little socialism, should be an improvement. So with that line of logic, communist countries would be the perfect example of state ran economy. So lets take the best / worst of communism vs free market, and see what the two extremes get you.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig No because you've taken it to far government needs to implement socialism or capitalism in order to try to reach a balance or the center libertarianism takes they economy to far to the right and any form of extreme economic view weather left or right will collapse
Luis568369 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig Guess i won ass hole
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 sorry, I missed your reply. But I won't reply, feel free to believe you won. Lets forget though that for the vast majority of this country, we have had a libertarian government, and it wasn't until the first economic crisis happened before it changed. Since that first 200+ year cycle to crash, we have had 3 crashes. So 1 in 100 years or so, vs 3 in 100 years, which economic system appears to be doing better?
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig That is idiotic their were not many economic crises in the past because economic activity was never this complicated were you have a global economy and if the founding fathers were libertarian then they would have stayed with the articles of confederation and not have created the constitution
Luis568369 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig So it would only stand to reason that america should have been better of after 30 years if following right wing economic doctrine than before when we had a center-left economic policy but we are not corporations have been allowed to grow massively and guess what Walmart destroys more small buisness than regulations
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 walmart does destroy businesses, but businesses cannot start up due to massive regulations. It is very difficult for an average person to start up a restaurant and meet every osha standard. Therefore, by logic, we can see that it is more difficult to start a business, and with less competition, places like walmart will thrive.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig You seem to forget Rockefeller created a monopoly when their were absolutely no regulations in fact regulations were created because of him and the other robber barons monopoly's can come about with or without government regulations but its only government that can end them aka creating laws that force them to compete
Luis568369 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig And what are you taking about France has universal healthcare the free market left alone will form monopoly like they have in america that is without saying and that is what has happened
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 monopolies are only formed with regulation. Every monopoly we have had in the US has been with the help of the government. AT&T, which is the largest known monopoly that got broken up, got that way with the government help.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@Luis568369 also, we can look at Monsanto, which is basically a monopoly on farming, and with all the farm subsides from the government, plus allowing them to hinder free speech, allows them to keep their hold. It is illegal in some states to talk bad about monsanto, how do you get that WITHOUT regulations?
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig Simple by buying the government something that only a libertarian free market can create because its only a libertarian economic system that would allow corporations to grow as large as they have since according to you their's no reason for government to stop the grow of corporations
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 vs what we have now, where a new business cannot even start up due to regulations. What is worse, keeping competition out or allowing competition to be bought up. Lets also ignore that america rose in quality of living the fastest during a time of economic freedom.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig This idea that economic freedom creates economic growth is a fallacy in fact the greatest expansion of wealth ever was the industrial revolution when freedom was limited so no freedom and economic expansion don't go hand and hand like you libertarians say
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 well, we can see what no economic freedom does. Brazil has very little, you are not allowed to own land, so the government can come in and take it without asking. Their economic growth is extremely low. We can go to communist china or N. Korea, where economic freedom is at the least, and we can see there that economic growth is extremely low as well. We can see that as economic freedom decreases, growth and prosperity slow.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig That's ignoring the massive economic growth that the Soviet Union created in the 50's and whats your point there i never said economic freedom's don't create economic growth i just said Libertarians ignore that government can create economic short term economic growth in fact communism is best at "jump starting an economy
Luis568369 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig since it creates artificial demand its only that it can't sustain it
Luis568369 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig But i agree that our system of regulations is to complex but i'm not you were you believe that the EPA and the FDA should be destroyed aka after you've cleaned they environment its a good idea to keep it clean something that is to intellectually complex for your idiot idol stossel to understand
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 You might want to look into the corruption of those agencies. The FDA has said it will never approve any drug that has only one patient holder, no matter how many lives it saves. This was said when a cancer fight drug was discovered by one man, what raised cancer survival rates from 1% to 30%, and the FDA went after him. The question of "does it work" never came up, only that it was not approved by the FDA. FDA is just a branch of Big Pharma.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig I never said there wasn't i believe the government needs major reform not be eliminated completely because government can be effective just look at NASA and CERN for Europe they've made the modern world and there government operated
Luis568369 2 months ago
@Luis568369 You are right, there are some nice things if government is done properly. Properly is to be the first to implement something, lay the ground structure, then step back for the private sector to take over. For example, long distance phone service was first offered by the government, after 3 companies got into the market, the government got out and now long distance is free. That, to me, is how governments should behave.
bluefootedpig 2 months ago
@bluefootedpig I don't think corporations can do it better but i do believe they can market it far better than government
Luis568369 2 months ago
Did you not hear about how he has met Glenn Beck multiple times? I think he would be in a much better position to judge the man's intentions than you. Also, I've found that people tend to dismiss what Beck says just because it was Beck that said it. I personally agree with Penn. To me, Glenn Beck seems more like a well-intentioned buffoon than a Charles Manson.
TheAndyChandy 2 months ago
Beck is no Manson, you retard...
TheAndyChandy 2 months ago
I like the humility and honesty he has with himself and the watchers. I would like very much to see many celebrities/political figures have these qualities. This made me feel as though I was really sitting down in a room with him. Well said Penn.
alphaprime66 2 months ago 2
Beck is dangerous. I Like Penn. I don't always agree with him, but I like him. You can tell he is a good person. He believes in people, and I don't want to sound condescending, but it's a bit naive to have such faith in human kind. Beck is Charlie Manson. He's not just a guy with an opinion, and if you would just here him out you'd understand. He's a serious nut bar, not to be taken lightly... Your crazy uncle doesn't have a national platform in which to share his strange beliefs. Beck does.
TheGeeHak 2 months ago 2
@TheGeeHak I agree completely.
gugalpm 2 months ago
He actually believes Glenn Beck has an an agenda of love...
refondata 2 months ago
If only people would just take the time to think. That would change the world.
twistedfocus100 2 months ago 47
@twistedfocus100 Legalize it, you know what I'm talking about
AssailantLF 2 months ago
@twistedfocus100 production/quality vs quality/production
blanknot 2 months ago
@twistedfocus100 KK... let me think.. where did the mass and energy come from to create the Big Bang, if I move on to the current Wave theory... where did they come and why did they collide and create the universe? Now if energy can neither be created nor destroyed simply transformed, and E = MC squared, where did the current amount of mass and energy come from? We don't know, thus Atheism is as much a religion as any other; since its concepts are still based on faith. :)
Eginyn 1 month ago
@Eginyn atheism makes no claims, so not really. Atheism just says that it wasn't God. You say that it wasn't every other god than yours. Rejecting a single possibility when there's no direct evidence for any view takes less faith than embracing one. There are degrees of faith. Saying "I don't believe because there's no evidence" may technically take faith, but you do it in rational thinking on a daily basis, because you know it takes far less faith than "I believe despite the lack of evidence"
IIRobertll 1 month ago
@IIRobertll Atheism does make a claim. Not making a god claim is a claim in itself. You couldn't argue with anyone if you didn't have a claim. Atheism is the belief that you are god. You make the rules and believe whatever, even if other evidence goes against you. The reason why atheism takes more faith is because it disregards all contrary evidence. I am simply stating what atheism is, that is all.
crockett297 1 month ago
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twistedfocus100 1 month ago
@crockett297 WOW, you described religion and called it atheism... ha ha ha Lets look at the word. Atheism defined as without theism. Atheism makes no claim that we are god... We don't claim to have made this place. Also we don't simply discard any thing to the contrary. We critical think it through and come to a conclusion. slight difference from just discarding...... It is the people of a god type faith that just discard anything to the contrary. As faith it's self tells you to do.
twistedfocus100 1 month ago
@twistedfocus100 You left out my last part. Can you see all of yourself? It takes faith just to believe in you. There is no getting around this one. The problem with atheism is it makes an authoritative claim, declaring there are no deities. How can the atheist make an authoritative claim if they don't believe in authority? The only way is to have faith and believe. Faith is not blindly believing, it is believing what you see. I cannot see all of me, but I have faith and believe in what I do see
crockett297 1 month ago
@crockett297 using your logic, everything is just neurons fingering in your brain. so how do you know anything to be true or to be nothing more than faith? Jump off a building and gravity will soon prove its self... Its like this, go into a room full of people who have not concept of GOD and say there is no god... is that faith?
twistedfocus100 1 month ago
@twistedfocus100 Yes, we do believe in the things we see, but since we can't see all of our self do we stop believing? No we don't. The same is with God. No one can see all of God but we can see part of God. Only God can make an authoritative claim. People who realize faith is real say "I believe in God" vs. an atheist will say "God does not exist", an authoritative claim.
crockett297 1 month ago
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Authoritah!!
marcfisher502 1 month ago
@crockett297 Atheists don't necessarily make authoritative claims about god. It depends on the atheist.
Anyway, you're using the word "faith" in kind of a weird way. You say it's "believing in what you see"? Do you mean that literally? Does that mean you don't believe in air because you don't see it? If that's not what you mean, then what do you mean by "believing what you see"?
Maytag99 1 week ago
@crockett297 you're arguing semantics here. A "claim" that unicorns don't exist is clearly not on the same level as a claim that they do. Refusal and proposal are not equivalent. The idea of burden of proof should make that obvious.
Atheists don't believe that they're God. It's (typically, not by definition) a belief that rules governing good behaviour come out of humanist principles (the golden rule, etc.) that make no reference to a deity. Also, what evidence are you talking about? News to me.
IIRobertll 1 month ago
@IIRobertll Everything takes faith. The reason why athiests cant "claim" anything is because they don't have the athority to. People who have faith don't make claims, they just have faith. That is why they say "I believe in God" vs an athiest will say "God does not exist". There is definity a contrast. Athiests try to make athoritative claims, so infact they do try to pose as God. There is evidence for a deity all around. The One who knows things no man can know and tells the world. That is God.
crockett297 1 month ago
@Eginyn so science is Atheism? not sure where your going with this one. it is not a faith. it is simply without god (without theism). The Wave theory is atheist? Your an atheist as well. I just be leave in one less god than you...
twistedfocus100 1 month ago
@twistedfocus100 Says you? From what I said atheism believes that you are god and that all other possible gods are not in existence. Atheism doesn't believe in deities, but then who is making the claim that there are no deities, the atheist. Claiming there are no deities is an authoritative claim only a deity could make. Just because you don't believe in a deity doesn't mean you don't have faith. Can you see all of yourself? And yet the atheist doesn't believe in faith. Do you exist? Faith is.
crockett297 1 month ago
@Eginyn Your completely leaving out the theory's of these faiths. Sure in the end we don't know. But to use the first atom theory to prove the foundations of religion to be just as true as science, that is just blind faith or ignorance. Think before you use such things to prove nonsense. KK...
twistedfocus100 1 month ago
I love his personality. he is funny and sincere. That is what I like and why I listen.
milfrie 2 months ago
God I Want to drink with him.
thull21 2 months ago
Glenn Beck is a good guy, he's just a religious nut. But his views on Economy are mostly right, and he's trying to save America from the commies. He's also a Libertarian, just like Penn Jillette.
sentidocomunve 2 months ago
All you motherfuckers just got schooled on objectivity.
allrequiredfields 2 months ago