Phone call to NTSB regarding AA77 Flight Data Recorder

[GregWn]

Need to follow-up and read the policy to verify what he is saying is true. If so, then you need to find out who has authority over the NTSB and question them. Are you going to respond to this or stonewall just like the NSTB did?

[fccwatch]

the government is pretty much saying, here is what we've put out. Whether its real or not is not the case. Its just the fact that we put something out and if you don't like it. Tough shit!! and you keep asking me questions I'm going to hang up on you. I wish space travel to another planet was avaible to the everyday common person, I would be so out of here!!

[atrios28]

"You're unable to answer any questions regarding that?"

What I'm trying to do Jeff is to help you out....

"Would you mind if I asked you a few simple questions?"

Well, I'm offering to help ... I'd be more than willing to find, uh, the right way to get your questions answered, but the first step is I'm gonna half to get back to you on it ... I'm not gonna be in the office tomorrow, but, I can get back to you next week."

Your Government, Hard At Work

[kylhul81]

Since it looks like he may have found the flap handle only accelerating 60 knots from 7000 feet, the from 2200 feet at full power). AA77 crossed the highways, knocking down light poles, entered ground effect, didnt touch the lawn and got a 44 foot high target (Tail height of 757) into a 77 foot target completely, without overshooting or bouncing off the lawn, or spreading any wreckage at 460 knots. With a 33 foot margin for error. Wow, impressive.

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

I'll help you out. go away. holy cow is this guy for real? what flight? 77, maybe to many 77's hit to many Pentagons so he really can't remember? will someone please slap him, what a retard

[horror11]

this was a fdr from a flyover at same time to make ppl believe a commercial airliner has hit the pentagon.

lots of witnesses including police saw a low flying airliner but they saw the plane in the same path as in this fdr and this contradicts the official flightpath and is nowere near a fallen lightpole.

its a hoax,its right before ur eyes :)

[Brutananadilewski007]

Sounds like papavalium needs to get off the Valium and wake the hell up! Our Gov't did ALL OF THIS! Flight 93 landed at Cleveland Int'l Airport and those ppl were forced to make phony calls (from their cell phones, which do not work in mid-flight) from a NASA facility at the Cleveland Airport. Listen to the one call where the lady was smart enough to NOT hang up the phone right away and seconds later you can hear a federal agent saying "you did great". Those poor ppl were killed by our own Gov't

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

@Brutananadilewski007 how about the guy who told his MOM his last name? like she did not know him? unheard of, I don't know of anyone ever doing that, you?

[Brutananadilewski007]

@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 Definitely not! I was on an emergency landing in 1999 on an Apple Vacations charter from Cancun to Chicago & like 10mins into flight there was a loud noise & a huge orange streak flame was coming out of the back of 1 of the engines. Smoke started creepin in from the ceiling & baggage areas, ppl were lighting smokes, screaming & I was sittin right next to my friend & she called her mom & she def didn't state her entire name to her mom. She just FREAKED! Her mom knew it was her!

[CRschralper]

@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1

That was Mark Bingham on UA93. Check out philjayhan dot wordpress dot (com) forward slash. They've analyzed the digital data from the vicitms pics on the CNN memorial site and MANY have data with complete obituaries prepared BEFORE the attacks! Many have dates on or right around 911, NOT possible w/out prior knowledge. Of course, CNN pulled 100's of pics shortly after Phil released the info. His main research site and forum is letsroll911 dot (com), amazing work.

[TrutherD1]

papavalium has 82 posts in 2 days. Don't trust him he's probably a paid troll.

[papavalium]

People can't argue there was a pancake effect going on. Actually most conspiracy people use that to say it was exploding columns etc...

What you have to think about it, how to demolition a bldg. Any tall bldg has to be exploded all at the same time.,..hence you have the whole bldg falling all the same time. What you had in the World Trade was a squashing effect, pancake effect, making material eject outwards like we saw. Also if you notice there is never smoke in a controlled demo.

[TrutherD1]

Ignore this paid troll he posted 50+ messages today:

[papavalium]

LMAO This guy just clowed you John doe at the end. LLOLLL You just got owned by a telephone operator at the NTSB. LOL

[bizzyDMB80]

@papavalium so you go around and watch all these videos, and just "LOL" and "LMAO" This isn't a joke, no matter what you believe man. What is your opinion of what happened on 9-11? Do you believe everything they said to us? You don't have one question about it?

[papavalium]

Toolbox, it looks like you believe in everything like... let me show you how on crack you are?

1. Missle hit pentagon

2. Plane full of people and 5 terrorists disappears.

3. George Bush, who you say can't tie his shoe launches biggest conspiracy in world history. CIA can't keep anything secret yet keeps this one secret when millions of people are involved.

4. World Trade towers were BLOWN up.

5. Plane in Pennsylvania was shot down.

Seems like it's you that believes anything.

[bizzyDMB80]

papavalium...No, I don't believe all those things you listed...and all your personal attacks, and all the "lmao" really shows your lack of intelligence. You believe everything your government tells you? what about Vietnam? did you believe them when they said the gulf of tonkin incident happened? Would you ever believe our government would shoot down a passenger plane to start a war with cuba? operation northwoods. These are both facts now.

[papavalium]

"What is your opinion of what happened on 9-11?"

What's my opinion...douchbag I watched it all happen live you idiot. WTF you think happened..are you American? Did you even watch it that day?

Only things I care about are internal memos about shooting stuff down, or nuking other countries...I'm not one of those morons that believes every Conspiracy theory. It's easy to see dude.

I recommend you go watch on Youtube, Bldg demo videos and see what it looks like.

[bizzyDMB80]

So i'd say your the idiot for believing everything they say. Not me for questioning a pretty ridiculous story. Building 7....what about that? what did you see there?

[papavalium]

Hmm Bldg 7, is that the bldg they went to put the fire out in, then was condemned because of cracks in the foundations. Hmm is that the bldg they let burn for hours? Isn't that the building that collapsed with no sounds? Hmm wouldn't you think you needed to blow the bldg up? Why was it super quiet then? I do agree the bldg collapses all at once like a controlled demo would, but that's only do to the way the bldg was made. Completely different engineering. You do know how the WTT were built?

[papavalium]

Also, what did Seismic recordings record at ground zero? This bldg was right next to the biggest bldg in the world to collapse and you are wondering why it didn't collapse til a bit later. LOL Come on man, how can I not laugh at your words. At least debate, bring some interesting facts to light, bring some ideas you have, not just other peoples crap..I'm actually looking up stuff and trying to use logic...can you do the same plz. Also did you check out this picture yet at Navy/mil?

[bizzyDMB80]

papava - A steel framed building has NEVER fallen to fire. There were plenty of buildings at WTC that didn't pancake in on itself, but had extensive damage. There were pools of molten metal under Building 7. BBC broadcast that build 7 had fallen, 20 minutes before it happened. Police on street saying "get back its comming down" (prior knowledge) Fell in 6.5 seconds into itself. FEMA "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time

[papavalium]

"BBC broadcast that build 7 had fallen, 20 minutes before it happened. "

Yeah I heard the Sears tower had a plane ready to hit it too dude...I watched this whole thing happen bud, you don't have to tell me what Erronious claims were made on that day. NOBODY knew what was going on, including the government, who you say planned it.

"Police on street saying "get back its comming down" (prior knowledge) "

Wow nice stretch, try telling people thats your source., LMAO

[bizzyDMB80]

papav - HA! you really are dumb...now I kinda feel bad...are you like 12? If you don't find it strange that with ALL THE BUILDINGS in NYC, that different news organizations said ONE in particular was going to come down (one of 3 that day) and it happened to 20 minutes later, then you're a mornon. And why don't you youtube the clip of police saying that idiot. go ahead and tell people its my source...I SAW IT HAPPEN. I just gave you a list of things and your response is "i heard things too"LOL

[papavalium]

So it's going to fall, means the guy knew it was going to fall. Thats like I see a plane crashing and I say it looks like that thing is going to crash. Then it crashes? And funny it came from a police man, who was just told earlier to stay out of the building it might collapse. LOL You are 12 man, you can't even logically think about what your talking about. Once again you refer to BBC as some source that they knew the building was going to collapse. HOLY shit man it gets funnier every post.

[bizzyDMB80]

My god papav---you have no real arguments. I feel bad talking to such a immature child about this. Hey, when you get to high-school, go take a physics class. A debate class might help too.

[papavalium]

Yeah, tell people you believe in thermite and 9/11 conspiracys and see how far you go. LOL Try looking in the mirror again bud. Try reading the messages I just sent, you might learn about the B-25 story you should me.

[TrutherD1]

@bizzy He's just here to waste your time. Learn more and wake others. Check out "Esoteric Agenda" it's awesome.

[papavalium]

So BBC, the Government, a police man on the street, who knew the bldg was collapsing, yet told people about the SECRET COVER UP...lmao Oh man comedy, pure comedy..no wonder no one believes in the 9/11 conspiracy crap.

[bizzyDMB80]

LOL...what are you even saying? Gulf of tonkin..operation northwoods...Keep believing everything your government tells you boy. You're a government puppet making the rest of us thoughtful, intelligent, question asking people, look pretty good. and its no wonder you don't allow people to post things on your page...haha

[papavalium]

You can post stuff, just be intelligent, not just your dumb, your stupid. I say Missle goes faster then bullet, you say what? You are the one that has to prove something man, not me. I know what happened.

[papavalium]

"- A steel framed building has NEVER fallen to "

Steel framed bldg has never been hit by a airplane going 300-400 mph then raging fire for an hour with no one putting it out.

Why do they firecoat steel if it doesn't melt? LMAO you are a moron dude, your questions are pathetic. You arguing it fell in 6.5 seconds, ? WTF the owner of the building said to let it burn, did you know that? He said not to risk any more lives, and to let it collapse. The building was totaled dude.

[bizzyDMB80]

BUILDING 7 WAS NOT HIT BY A PLANE.

The empire state building was hit by a B-25 bomber in 1945 killed 14 people...building was fine.

steel CAN'T melt by an open fire alone...fact

silverstien even said "we made the decision to pull it"

the building fell in 6.5 seconds...free-fall speed into itself. You've clearly never been in a physics class to know things don't fall into themselves at increasing speeds.

[papavalium]

Hmm cool point about the B-25 I didn't know much about it til now. Thanks for bringing it up, cool story. Heres what I found out, the B-25 "is much smaller than a Boeing 767. That and the B-25 also has a much lower fuel capacity." That night was really foggy, the plans max speed was only 275 mph..so i would say about 100-150 mph it hit the bldg..they were getting ready to land. " 470-590 mph were the speed of flight 11 and 175." Normal fuel for B-25 is 974 gallons, 11,000 gallon for 767

[papavalium]

in addition to that info, here's more, the B-25 only hit 1 floor. The planes on 9/11 hit more then one floor obviously seen in many photos. The Empire state bldg was built in the time of steel and power, its designers stacked floor on floor, the World Trade Towers, if you ever watch the making of the trade towers, you'll see were supported from the outside. EACH FLOOR CAN ONLY SUPPORT ITSELF. THe outside walls support each floor. The was the first time they used this technique.

[papavalium]

When a bldg is demo professionally which you guys think happened...then you have to agree to have its done. When the bldg is charged and exploded, the entire bldg goes down, then smoke appears as it hits the ground. If you look at many videos on youtube you will see, 9/11 towers look nothing like it should of. It actually looks like the ENGINEER OF THE BLDG said it would collapse. The Japanese Engineer is still alive that designed the bldg. Each floor held ONLY that floors weight..

[papavalium]

LMAO The guy just said he put the info out there go read it. Whoever was on the phone call sure answered everything good.  How can anyone say this is a hoax.

George Bush can't tie his shoe, yet the entire govenment is in on 9/11 LMAO You guys are a joke.

[papavalium]

LMAO The guy from the NTSB really sounded like a conspiracy is going on. LOL This is a joke. Someone try to call up the NTSB and ask for any flight info and ask these questions. LOL See what happens.

[governmentcheese411]

totally fucking insulting. fuck the ntsb and nist for such an obvious insult to our intelligence.excellent vid sir.5 stars from me.

[pionata]

Those are very good phone calls! Good job.

[comgeek24]

I believe strongly in karma, and if Congress, the government, whatever. did actually know what happened on 9/11 and just refused to do anything about it due to some ulterior motive, karma WILL come back around and she will be A B*TCH.

[dschroder26]

weak

[governmentcheese411]

the only weakness i see is your ability to grasp reality when its laid in front of you. they say ignorance is bliss. you must be very very happy.

[johndoeXLC]

Obviously you do not understand the duties and responsibilities of Aircraft Accident INVESTIGATORS and/or FDR EXPERTS i listed above several times. So i'll make it simple for you. Yes, they are qualified to analyze FDR data. However, as i said, the NTSB did all the work, all it takes is a student pilot to look at altitude plotted by the NTSB next to the time stamp. Obviously you are not qualified. Now your trolling comments are blocked. Visit the forum for more education. Looks like you need it.

[johndoeXLC]

As far as how many members? Pilots For 9/11 Truth have been in existence for 3 years. ALPA has been in existence for 70 years. ALPA represents less than 9% of total pilots. Does that mean 91% disagree with ALPA? Your logic is flawed. Click links. Stop the ignornace.

[johndoeXLC]

Try to actually go to the url provided below. Pilots For 9/11 Truth have numerous Aircraft Accident Investigators (more on the way), FDR experts and pilots. Not to mention the NTSB themselves plotted the time next to altitude data. Any student pilot can understand it as the NTSB did all the work. Its clear you cant even determine altitude plotted by the NTSB with which a student pilot can...

[johndoeXLC]

You may want to check the list of pilots who analyzed the data as they are many more than a "washed up RJ pilot". pilotsfor911truth*org(slash)co­re.

And its clear you dont know how to read a simple altimeter next to a simple time stamp plotted by the NTSB.

[seeknthetruth]

Classic:

Frame 04:18

"Refresh my memory, just going from the Flight number. I don't remember. Where did that plane crash?"

Are you kidding me?????

[ivonneviovy]

@seeknthetruth

yes, unbelievable..

[MuckupAgain]

One thing to note, before everyone lays into the NTSB guy on the other end of this conversation, is that the standard procedure for a cold call requesting detailed information about an on-going investigation is that you DON'T enter into discourse without gaining formal approval.

The same applies in my job in the aerospace industry. If someone approached me on the street or by phone i am NOT PERMITTED to discuss with them anything that might be reported/published. Just to refer them to PR.

[johndoeXLC]

Yes, and the PR Guy called back a few hours later saying "No Comment" as shown in the above video. We also have emails exchanges with the PR Guy in our forum as well as recorded calls with the FBI at Pilots For 9/11 Truth.

[MuckupAgain]

I think he called back to explain that it was not his place to enter into further discourse on the subject. As he said, he reported the facts of the case (the FDR traces being facts).

As i understand it, the NTSB reports to the FBI in this case. It is then the FBIs responsibility to report the findings (i'll get around to your reference when i can).

Perhaps you can indulge me a little: is the altitude data in the FDR is based on one altimeter feed? Is the baro setting also recorded?

[johndoeXLC]

Im sorry Muck, but i dont have much time today. Please feel free to email us or join our forum for tons of information. Specifically in the pinned topics of our AA77 forum at pilotsfor911truth*org/forum. We also have radar altitude. Shows too high. The NTSB/FBI refuse to correct, comment, retract etc. Unprecedented. Also, none of the 4 aircraft on 9/11 were positively Identified via parts. Also unprecendented. Visit our site for more.

[MuckupAgain]

No worries JD. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Unfortunately we're at the mercy of the FBI regards getting access to formal parts identification, but such is the bureaucracy of government.

Thanks again.

[MuckupAgain]

Sorry to ask questions that may already have been dealt with, but info like this is sketchy on the web.

I think i would just like to know whether the altitude reading to the FDR is infallible? If Baro settings are not recorded then, in theory, the altitude means nothing other than informing us what the pilot was seeing on his alt. at the time.

[johndoeXLC]

Watch Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two - Flight Of America 77. Its streaming on our front page at pilotsfor911truth*org (scroll down). It goes through it all. 1hr 5 mins runtime.

[coryphilip]

Light poles knocked down by the plane before hitting the pentagon. They lay in the street a few feet from where they were moored to the ground... a few feet from original position.. . .

THE PLANE WAS TRAVELING APPROXIMATELY 400 MILES PER HOUR!!

Hence the LIGHT POLES would have been sent into the FUCKIN Future!!.. . and not just "takin a wee nap" in the MutherFuckin roadway..

ITS CALLED LOGIC!!

**To all the non-believin HATERS out there**

You Should Getch Yoo Sum!!

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

@coryphilip good point, that would have been a massive impact with the light poles. could have even cut them in two? sounds more like bullshit every time I check it out

[albertical]

how can you go straight to the minmedia and inform to all americans that doesnt want to open their eyes about the fact of inside job in twin towers,bbc early information of wtc demolition, no plain crash in pentagon, brother of bush encharge of security in wtc,profits of carlyne group,haliburton, oil,irak death afganistan.

is really american people what seems all around the world? just dont give a fuck?

[merged]

JOHNDOE......Have you sent this video to ALL the "truthers"??

I think it will be a good idea.

[merged]

ha ha he says it's NOT their investigation!!

how come they sign it off???

fucking bastards

[djjimi]

We've got to push this information out there. This is far too damning to ignore.

The NTSB belongs to the people, and they should be forced to explain these discrepencies. Call your representative and demand that these are addressed. Let's see how far Bushes "executive privelege" will stretch!

[outbackwanker]

What a shame US Missiles don't have Flight Data Recorders, then perhaps the truth would be known. Another example, like Israels attack on the USS Liberty, of the US Govt authorising Americans to die so that America has an excuse to attack another country.

[Daletoledo]

Wow! I spent over 10 years of my life in the defense of this country and this is how We treat our Fellow Americans? Sad! Very Sad! scares the hell out of Me!

[travelsonic]

"if you got nothing to hide, why hide it ?"

Sounds contradictory, the phrasing that is.

[MustacheVerra]

WOW! I feel safer already! LOL!!!

[aerojo05]

wow. thanks for posting this. I'm gonna go look up the NTSB files now. I didn't know the NTSB posted anything on th 9/11 flights since it was under FBI investigation.

[adam24367]

you should have said

Video editing

FBI

[adam24367]

LOL i like it when he says uhhh what flight are you talking about

[NineDaggers]

ya...how many people at the NTSB, let alone Americans, don't know what "Flight 77" is off the top of their heads?

[SWEETKICKZZZZZ]

1. is this true? 2. who is speaking on it?

[bifftas]

this would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

[johndoeXLC]

List of our members and credentials are listed on our credentials/experience page which can be cross-checked with the FAA pilot database. Many people are in denial and will try to find any excuse to not disrupt their belief in the offical story. Including but not limited to closing their eyes to the fact that pilotsfor911truth[dot]org really does have real life pilots, Air Traffic Controllers, Military pilots, etc.. as members.

[SmokescreenNinjaz]

once you hit the "cannot confirm, nor deny" wall, you know you're on to something. please, for all of us, keep at it.

respect.

[stundie]

Nice one for exposing more lies on the offical story!

Thought I'd mention that there are people (The hardcore offical story worshippers!) on forum who are doubting your credentials as to whether you are a pilot or not?

Not that I think you would have to necessarily be a pilot to understand this.

[GravityBoy72]

Well done. You should have told him that more and more people are aware of these discrepancies and they really should explain why their animation is so out with the official version. Its flight path was shown as north of the Gas Station - why? NTSB work for the people, they should answer to them.

[danielpena86]

woooooooowww ... the pilot doesnt remembre wut flight hit da pentagon ... 4:31

[theamazingnerd]

That's not the PILOT of the plane talking. He's dead.

[abdigani23]

coverup, coverup and more coverup.. that is some BS.

[simonshack]

Oops ! Wrote my first comment before seeing the second part of this clip. The guy who returned your call wasn't very helpful, I gather... How about a written request for information, signed by as many pilots as possible?

[simonshack]

Johndoe, keep at it. Someone wrote rightly that you did a good job being polite. I agree, but maybe you should prepare your questions for such occasions with some notes, in order to avoid any kind of interruption in your exposing the queries. Will follow this up, hope the guy returns your call...

[texdc]

Is it legal to record phone conversations without consent from both parties (assuming you're not a govt. thug), or did you get their permission?

[johndoeXLC]

Consent: In the absence of more restrictive state law, it is permissible to intercept and record a telephone conversation if one or both of the parties to the call consents. Consent means authorization by only one participant in the call; single-party consent is provided for by specific statutory exemption under federal law. 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2511(2)(d).

[texdc]

Thanks, I'll look into that. I hope you didn't think I was calling you a thug. I meant only to take a jab at the wiretapping law.

[johndoeXLC]

And this is the exact reason why the NSA wiretapping IS illegal. You need consent of one of the parties. The new wiretapping law supposedly overrides the above law.

[CrunkChipmunk]

PoetryHound probably denies the Reichstag Fire was carried out by the Nazis. Another pathetic government shill on a payroll.

[tonycastiglione]

More proof of a government operation.

[Mo0ive1Us3er]

When will you learn that islam attacked us??

You are a jerk tonycastiglione

[icelandicviking]

Than why can't these questions be answered?

[1method]

It's a shame that fellow citizens dodge obvious evidence. Keep up the good work guys!!!!

[Halifaxion]

Is this the same guy who called Popular Mechanics and tried to get some answers? I love that call, and I love this guy:

www.youtube.COM/watch?v=t0uVwS­544Rg

[vimanaboy]

really great work-- keep on it!!

[johndoeXLC]

These are the droids who analyzed and produced the above information based on AA77 Flight Data Recorder. They are the ones who need to answer for the conflicts. We have also called the FBI. Recording is on the website pentagon section. Inquiry is ongoing. Brick walls are abundant.

[ChristopherMarlowe]

I really liked your vid. I hope you didn't take my comment wrong.  The NTSB is the one trying a Jedi mind trick on you. BTW -- Did you notice how the FBI collects info and never releases it?

[ChristopherMarlowe]

These are not the droids you are looking for.

[johndoeXLC]

People should be outraged! We want answers, there is a blatant cover-up as clear as day when analyzing this information. If this breaks mainstream, it could very well be the can-o-worm's needed.

[PoetryHound]

Unfortunately, this isn't much proof of anything. You've encountered the standard bureaucratic response to pretty much anything, not just 9-11 stuff -- Don't bother us, we're busy, we have nothing more to say, go talk to our public affairs office, etc. You just need to keep at 'em. Nice job being polite, though.

[andystokie]

"we'll get back to you" haha yeh right., classic brush off, just what the hell our they hiding.