@wallydog49 sleeving is not required by code ... instalation facter ... on hot .good idea .. altough the abs and water lines are required to be wrapped prior to slab pour .. can be looked at by inspector at prepour inspection
@2020starman I apologize for my anger but mindstay got me a little bent as i was really trying to understand facts and codes. Instead of getting a reply with anything factual or code to back it up he would just make another uneducated comment (and being personally rude no less). I like hearing about things like the Air Admittance Valve cause i was never a huge fan of loop vents. Might check into on my own home i am designing. I am not some code stickler but there is good reason for 98% of em.
@redbyrne04 I agree. If I were building my home I would run my water lines above as well. Not all Plumbers here (U.S.A.) are unkempt. I take a lot of pride in how my work looks even that that will be covered or buried.
I did see two lines connected with out a combo ... only a wye fitting ... code states any horizontal lines connected together needs to be a combo fitting .. combo/ combination wye and 45 fitting adjoined together ..can also be a 60 deg or 22 deg .. but not a wye alone
You shouldnt have dirt on top of sewer line either .. makes a tough call on the inspections for checking grade and leaks ..pipes also need more shading under and behind for support on back fill .. .......... plumber from phoenix
Gee this wouldn't even come close to passing Australian building standards ! , It would be rip it all up and start again , what a dodgy job , poor bloke owing the house , issues to come by the looks of it.
The one problem I seen in this video is the run for H2O main (& a branch line) and sewer were laying with-in 5-6" of one another. The U.P.C. and AZ's. admin. state, "That there shall be no less that a 12" separation with the H2O lines & above the waste line". I am sure they were required to correct this though by jurisdiction inspector.
@Mindstay not unless they have changed it .. i think that only applies to clay sewer no? I think that is one ft on clay pipe .. correct me if i'm wrong please
@2020starman It does apply to any piping designed to convey waste be-it clay, A.B.S., P.V.C., or cast iron. Of course I am speaking from the U.P.C. & I.P.C. (Uniform Plumbing Code '06' & International Plumbing Code '06') Frost levels will change from state to state though. AZ's is only 12". Code here states, I quote: "There shall be no less than 12" separation of potable water from any waste line or shall be installed on a lateral shelf being not less than 12" above. Hope this helps. Thanks.
@Mindstay In my area we haven't adopted the 2006 UPC code book , lol... Arizona !! get with the times .. I think this house is in Arizona .. i know in the older version it only applies to clay and yes I kow about the shelf .. thanks
@Mindstay In my area we haven't adopted the 2006 UPC code book , lol... Arizona !! get with the times .. I think this house is in Arizona .. i know in the older version it only applies to clay and yes I kow about the shelf .. thanks
If you watch the building process video series you will see on that project, while the waste lines are run underslab, the water main is run to edge of the foundation and up into an exterior wall. from there the water lines are run throughout the structure in the floor trusses above the first floor.
Another option is running all lined (water and waste) in a raised foundation or crawlspace.
those rocks are not going to damage that pex. If anything the plumber should have used the pex sheath and ran the lines through that in order to protect them and make repair easier.
Anyone building a new house should take photos and video from the footing to moving in. Even a moving camera video like here can help, I was not bothered by the video quality. A 4 minute video hand-held is Ok, a 2 hour movie would be another case. I bought a new home 5 months back and photos taken 3 weeks before we bought the house under construction will play a MAJOR part in proving what was done wrong. Click on my username for my story.
You are absolutely right. I am working on shooting my newer videos with less movement. I also saw your comment on the other video. Thanks for watching. I will be focusing on better video work moving ahead.
Inspector probably did catch it. Glad you were aware of rocks in the backfill. That soft copper that is rolled out is very pliable and subject to denting from those rocks thus reducing water flow, etc. In Ca. under slab supply does not need to be insulated, but it must be continuous (no fittings under slab) and sleeved. If in the future a repair is necessary silver soldier must be used. You were right to be concerned and a little disgusted at the sloppy work. Its inexcusable.
Dude! at 3:45 you tilt down to to expose two WYE fittings aimed toward each other. ( ie 90 degree Tee Wye's) This is wrong. And a code violation Rule one: ^%# flows downhill. Rule two: Payday is Friday.
good eye.( for those that don't know exactly what laybackbarrel is referring to- there is a point in the video where I scan past some vertical waste lines, two of them run right into each other. They should all enter the main line flowing in the same direction...downhill) I would imagine (I HOPE)the city inspector caught it as well.
@laybackbarrel ... those are combo's .. they are not called tee wyes .. they are combo's ... serves as outside clean outs for the building ... one way goes up to clear blockages the other runs to street ......... check you're local codes before you play inspector thx you might tell the homeowner as well you had him sold ...
@2020starman I concur starman, You are required to install directional two-way clean-outs. Also makes it easier for us service guys to know which way were running the cable instead of bending the end & hoping we got it going the right way.
@Mindstay Actually you are not required to install directional two way clean-outs. Put a clean-out at upper terminal of horizontal run on first floor [upc 707.4]. There are many ways to plumb a house, thats why plumbers can get so frustrated working with other plumbers. Everyone has their way of doing things. And i know your going to mention the slab first floor access....go ahead. Yeah its easier on a raised foundation... combos, combi, cowbells, sockets, whatever. point is its not required
@laybackbarrel Good luck with that. Hope you don't mind paying the AZ. state inspectors each time they have to reinspect the two way C/O you refuse to install per the U.P.C. Wait, I'll tell him, next time they say put one in, that you said we don't have to in AZ per your saying so. Thanks. Mind if I give him your name & number as you seem to be a higher authority? LOL Good luck. I'll keep doing what they want for now.
@Mindstay READ THE UPC CODE 707.4!!!!! It clearly states "two way clean-out or clean-out at upper terminal of horizontal run on first floor. I have been plumbing for 30+ years and never put in a two way clean-out and have never serviced one. Why would you want to have to identify the reverse clean-out and/or push a clog backwards, get your snake stuck... when it is so much easier to have all your clean-outs going with the flow. PLEASE READ UPC 707.4 And your smart ass comment are dumb ass.
@laybackbarrel No problem if you want to clean up the crap you just got in the the building by popping the C/O plug inside. You can do plumbing the way you want, right or not. You stated "Two-way C/O is accepted for maintenance of the line, outside C/O means less mess inside, makes sense to me. And if one were so inclined as to plumb a drain line straight up the toilet rather than to install a closet ell into a sanitary tee may be on drugs too. I'll leave name calling to children. Good luck.
@Mindstay You make no sense whatsoever. The terminating end of the horiz, line can be accessed outside the building. And what are you talking about? "plumb a drain line straight up the toilet" Of course the drainline goes straight to the toilet. A closet elbow is part of the drain line then depending on how you vent it, you use use either a santee (vertical) or a wye (horizontal) set at 45 degrees or greater. A reverse snake can find its way up the toilet or vent and you wont know which.
@Mindstay I have been doing DWV for over 30 years. IT IS SO OBVIOUS YOU ARE A SERICE HANDYMAN AND NEVER DID ROUGH-IN DRAIN/ WASTE/VENT. A closet elbow does not have to go to a sanitary tee. It can be vented with a wye set at 45 or greater. As for popping the cleanout and getting crap in the buiding I ask you to think about what the TERMINATING END is. Please read code 707.4 and get yourself a book on DWV. I would love to see you try to run 18 fixture units into a 4 foot stack. Duh what?
@laybackbarrel in Arizona we also use Wisconsin fittings , which is a san tee with a side inlet , We also use air admittance valves "studor vents" beats the foot vent or loop vent which ever you want too call them .
@Mindstay Last thing. "IT IS NOT LUCK, IT IS NOT THE WAY I WANT RIGHT OR NOT." IT IS CODE!!!! IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT SEEMS. IT TOOK ME 7 YEARS OF DWV ROUGH-IN BEFORE I BECAME PROFICIENT AND MY WORK BECAME VERY CLEAN AND SIMPLE. IN 30 YEARS I NEVER NEW ABOUT 707.4 SEC 2. (C). I WILL STILL NOT USE THAT ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE 707.4 IS CLEANER.THAT WAY A FUTURE UNAWARE SERVICE HANDYMAN CANT GO STICKIN HIS SNAKE BACKWARDS THROUGH THE DRAINS AND VENTS, AND YES UP A TOILET. PLEASE STOP WITH IGNORANCE.
@laybackbarrel I got it, you believe there is only one way to do Plumbing in every part of the world, your way only. I've had enough of your school-yard name calling. I can't discuss Plumbing with a single track mind that always degrades me while I discuss calmly, civilly & respectfully. You may even still continue to rant and berate my many years in Plumbing long after because it may behold you some reward. But, as you stated earlier, I will conclude with, "I'm done".
@Mindstay Actually if you refer to your first reply to me you were very much a smart ass and anything but civil or respectful. It is 6 above this one. The one where you say you think "i am a higher authority than the AZ inspector". Then I present you with facts and codes, and you continue to berat me saying "That i think there is only one way in the world to do plumbing, my way only." Truth is i called you out on each wrong comment you made, and you have no technical reply so you cont. to rant.
@Mindstay Can you calmly and civilly tell me about 1. how a drainline doesnt goes straight to a toilet? 2. how you concur code states you must have a two way clean-out? 3. how a closet ell has to go to santee? I apologize for the smart ass comments but you did start it. And with all due respect your ignorance does not beguile me, it frustrates me. 2020 starman actually has knowledge, so i can learn from his replies, so far all you have given me is rude comments to distract from plumbing facts.
@laybackbarrel 1. A drain line can go to the w/c by using a sani-tee installed (vertically) with the closet ell (for the w/c) going into the tee. 2. Please read U.P.C. code 707.4 exception #4. 3. You would use the top side of the sani-tee to run the vtr (vent through roof) line. The tub/shower or lav. vents can be re-vented to the main vent stack for the w/c. Hope these answers helped. My "ignorance" is in your eyes, where others respect my knowledge as valid. Happy Plumbing!
@laybackbarrel That's the way i prefer to vent (Santee) But every once in awhile to meet vent distance requirements the lay out calls for the (vent) Wye at 45 degrees +, in which case a reverse snake would most likely find it's way up the toilet.
@laybackbarrel in Arizona we also use Wisconsin fittings , which is a san tee with a side inlet , We also use air admittance valves "studor vents" beats the foot vent or loop vent which ever you want too call them .Arizona
@laybackbarrel Thank you for the "Handyman" remark. I still have yet to come up through a vertical sani-tee through the closet ell and up the flange. Looking forward to it though. LOL Yes I know that you can plumb the w/c into a combo. or a wye with a 45 then continue the vent @ the upper flow. The later may be best if you've got back-to-back w/c. You do it how you like. We are both right.
@Mindstay 2. Sec. 707.4 is modified to read: Each horizontal drainage pipe shall be provided with a cleanout at its upper terminal and each run of piping, which is more than 100 feet (30.4 m) in total developed length, shall be provided with a cleanout for each 100 feet (30.4 m), or fraction thereof, in length of such piping. Exceptions:
@Mindstay You are actually using an alternative method by using section 2. (c). TELL YOUR STUPID AZ INSPECTORS TO READ THE CODE THEN TELL THEM TO !@#$%OFF.
@laybackbarrel No you don't have to, but per [U.P.C. 707.4 exception #4] "An approved type of two-way c/o installed in the bldg. wall near the connection between bldg. drain & bldg. sewer or outside of bldg. @ the lower end of bldg. drain & extended to grade may be substituted for an upper terminal c/o." You are right, "everyone has their way of doing things". So I am ignorant for doing it per the way I mentioned. I am a service plumber and my customers rather C/Os in the yard than open a wall.
@Mindstay Makes it easier to know which way your running the cable? You must be on drugs. How would installing a two way clean-out make easier to know which way your running the cable when if you used the primary code method there is only one way to run the cable. How do you mark which clean-out goes reverse? What if a future service doesnt see it because it is blocked by bushes? and then his snake comes up the toilet? NO REVERSE CLEAN-OUTS ON MY SITE!! Too confusing and unneccesary. IM DONE
@laybackbarrel serving a blockage at a two way clean out is very easy really ... only thing you have to know is the direction each one represents .. its a real time saver ... you dont have to run the cable from the back , say if the blockage was in yard as most blockages are from roots .. if you're not sure of direction of the clean outs... fill up lines and the back up tells you which one too clear it from ... water will be in the one you want too run the cable ...
@2020starman I still dont get it . If back-up is in (front) yard, then dont you just need a clean-out at the building going toward street/sewer? In the case of video above were refering to... if back up is downstream in yard, wouldnt both (2 way c/o lines) back-up? I think the only reason for the 2 way is if it is too difficult to put a c/o at end terminus of horiz. run. or if its over 100ft. Thats my humble opinion. Diagrams sure are easier than words.
@laybackbarrel I'm sorry. please let reiterate ... fill lines with water , look into clean outs , if line fills up .. its toward the street.. if you see no water its toward the house
@2020starman Thats logical. I always 4" for a main. Smooth bore ABS. Nothing ever clogs. It is glued (as opposed to landscape drains so roots arent a problem) and has (min.quarter bubble grade) 1/4 inch per foot. I guess i could see your point not having to haul your snake around the backyard, but it just doesnt seem right putting that snake in reverse not knowing where it is going. If you just put it in a bit and made sure you didnt come up someones toilet i guess it could save a little time
@2020starman Actually a "Combo" is technically known as an "ABS Combination Tee & Wye". I referred to the Wye part of the Combo to make it easier on the homeowner. But your right it is legal code; irc [3005.2.7] upc [707.4] In my opinion A much simpler design is to have a clean-out at the upper terminal of horiz. runs on first floor. upc [707.4] Then you dont have to mark the reverse clean-out so someone doesnt go poking his snake up a toilet. then use a one way cleanout at base of stack.
@2020starman 707.4 sec. 2 (c)(c) An approved type of two-way cleanout fitting, installed inside the building wall near the connection between the building drain and building sewer or installed outside of a building at the lower end of a building drain and extended to grade, may be substituted for an upper terminal cleanout. Go ahead push your blockages the wrong way. I DONT USE ALTERNATIVE METHODS I USE THE SIMPLE METHOD 707.4 sec. (2) Read it its the first line in 707.4
that kind ot insulation is a big nono for pex
manuelito489 4 months ago
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Plubing is easy !!
2020starman 8 months ago
to all you servce plumbers .... .. nothing could be dumber than being service plumber !! ...lol
2020starman 1 year ago
Did the Specs say to sleeve the water lines? If not I want a change order pronto!
wallydog49 1 year ago
@wallydog49 sleeving is not required by code ... instalation facter ... on hot .good idea .. altough the abs and water lines are required to be wrapped prior to slab pour .. can be looked at by inspector at prepour inspection
2020starman 1 year ago
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wow .. that's a monolithic pour on a house of that size / phx we stem pour ..code violation at 3:10 combo required .
2020starman 1 year ago
I would never put pex underground ...only rolled soft type L
2020starman 1 year ago
@2020starman I concur, I am planning on rolling out type "k" on my own home. Man that is going to cost a lot.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
wow .. you guys still at it? I like too pick on ask the builder .. he thinks he a plumber
2020starman 1 year ago
@2020starman I apologize for my anger but mindstay got me a little bent as i was really trying to understand facts and codes. Instead of getting a reply with anything factual or code to back it up he would just make another uneducated comment (and being personally rude no less). I like hearing about things like the Air Admittance Valve cause i was never a huge fan of loop vents. Might check into on my own home i am designing. I am not some code stickler but there is good reason for 98% of em.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@redbyrne04 I agree. If I were building my home I would run my water lines above as well. Not all Plumbers here (U.S.A.) are unkempt. I take a lot of pride in how my work looks even that that will be covered or buried.
Mindstay 1 year ago
I did see two lines connected with out a combo ... only a wye fitting ... code states any horizontal lines connected together needs to be a combo fitting .. combo/ combination wye and 45 fitting adjoined together ..can also be a 60 deg or 22 deg .. but not a wye alone
2020starman 1 year ago
@redbyrne04 this house does not have a crawl space is why
2020starman 1 year ago
You shouldnt have dirt on top of sewer line either .. makes a tough call on the inspections for checking grade and leaks ..pipes also need more shading under and behind for support on back fill .. .......... plumber from phoenix
2020starman 1 year ago
Gee this wouldn't even come close to passing Australian building standards ! , It would be rip it all up and start again , what a dodgy job , poor bloke owing the house , issues to come by the looks of it.
Krashulka 1 year ago
@Krashulka oh really .. send me a pic of ur great work sir .. talk is cheap .. I will say its not the best job .... average for arizona
2020starman 1 year ago
The one problem I seen in this video is the run for H2O main (& a branch line) and sewer were laying with-in 5-6" of one another. The U.P.C. and AZ's. admin. state, "That there shall be no less that a 12" separation with the H2O lines & above the waste line". I am sure they were required to correct this though by jurisdiction inspector.
Mindstay 1 year ago
@Mindstay not unless they have changed it .. i think that only applies to clay sewer no?
2020starman 1 year ago
@Mindstay not unless they have changed it .. i think that only applies to clay sewer no? I think that is one ft on clay pipe .. correct me if i'm wrong please
2020starman 1 year ago
@2020starman It does apply to any piping designed to convey waste be-it clay, A.B.S., P.V.C., or cast iron. Of course I am speaking from the U.P.C. & I.P.C. (Uniform Plumbing Code '06' & International Plumbing Code '06') Frost levels will change from state to state though. AZ's is only 12". Code here states, I quote: "There shall be no less than 12" separation of potable water from any waste line or shall be installed on a lateral shelf being not less than 12" above. Hope this helps. Thanks.
Mindstay 1 year ago
@Mindstay In my area we haven't adopted the 2006 UPC code book , lol... Arizona !! get with the times .. I think this house is in Arizona .. i know in the older version it only applies to clay and yes I kow about the shelf .. thanks
2020starman 1 year ago
@Mindstay In my area we haven't adopted the 2006 UPC code book , lol... Arizona !! get with the times .. I think this house is in Arizona .. i know in the older version it only applies to clay and yes I kow about the shelf .. thanks
2020starman 1 year ago
thanks for sharing great info
jdat747 1 year ago
If you watch the building process video series you will see on that project, while the waste lines are run underslab, the water main is run to edge of the foundation and up into an exterior wall. from there the water lines are run throughout the structure in the floor trusses above the first floor.
Another option is running all lined (water and waste) in a raised foundation or crawlspace.
arossona 2 years ago
those rocks are not going to damage that pex. If anything the plumber should have used the pex sheath and ran the lines through that in order to protect them and make repair easier.
Baknefct 2 years ago
speaking the truth. Not a plumber, but chicago corruption is really fawked up.
fierospeeder 3 years ago
Anyone building a new house should take photos and video from the footing to moving in. Even a moving camera video like here can help, I was not bothered by the video quality. A 4 minute video hand-held is Ok, a 2 hour movie would be another case. I bought a new home 5 months back and photos taken 3 weeks before we bought the house under construction will play a MAJOR part in proving what was done wrong. Click on my username for my story.
UNhappyNewHomeOwner 3 years ago
good info but i had to quit watching because the camera was moving so much it made me sick!
kjcorn 3 years ago
You are absolutely right. I am working on shooting my newer videos with less movement. I also saw your comment on the other video. Thanks for watching. I will be focusing on better video work moving ahead.
arossona 3 years ago
Just noticed your using plastic. Pex im guessing. Still! No rocks allowed.
laybackbarrel 3 years ago
Inspector probably did catch it. Glad you were aware of rocks in the backfill. That soft copper that is rolled out is very pliable and subject to denting from those rocks thus reducing water flow, etc. In Ca. under slab supply does not need to be insulated, but it must be continuous (no fittings under slab) and sleeved. If in the future a repair is necessary silver soldier must be used. You were right to be concerned and a little disgusted at the sloppy work. Its inexcusable.
laybackbarrel 3 years ago
Dude! at 3:45 you tilt down to to expose two WYE fittings aimed toward each other. ( ie 90 degree Tee Wye's) This is wrong. And a code violation Rule one: ^%# flows downhill. Rule two: Payday is Friday.
laybackbarrel 3 years ago
good eye.( for those that don't know exactly what laybackbarrel is referring to- there is a point in the video where I scan past some vertical waste lines, two of them run right into each other. They should all enter the main line flowing in the same direction...downhill) I would imagine (I HOPE)the city inspector caught it as well.
arossona 3 years ago
@laybackbarrel ... those are combo's .. they are not called tee wyes .. they are combo's ... serves as outside clean outs for the building ... one way goes up to clear blockages the other runs to street ......... check you're local codes before you play inspector thx you might tell the homeowner as well you had him sold ...
2020starman 1 year ago
@2020starman I concur starman, You are required to install directional two-way clean-outs. Also makes it easier for us service guys to know which way were running the cable instead of bending the end & hoping we got it going the right way.
Mindstay 1 year ago
@Mindstay Actually you are not required to install directional two way clean-outs. Put a clean-out at upper terminal of horizontal run on first floor [upc 707.4]. There are many ways to plumb a house, thats why plumbers can get so frustrated working with other plumbers. Everyone has their way of doing things. And i know your going to mention the slab first floor access....go ahead. Yeah its easier on a raised foundation... combos, combi, cowbells, sockets, whatever. point is its not required
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel Good luck with that. Hope you don't mind paying the AZ. state inspectors each time they have to reinspect the two way C/O you refuse to install per the U.P.C. Wait, I'll tell him, next time they say put one in, that you said we don't have to in AZ per your saying so. Thanks. Mind if I give him your name & number as you seem to be a higher authority? LOL Good luck. I'll keep doing what they want for now.
Mindstay 1 year ago
@Mindstay READ THE UPC CODE 707.4!!!!! It clearly states "two way clean-out or clean-out at upper terminal of horizontal run on first floor. I have been plumbing for 30+ years and never put in a two way clean-out and have never serviced one. Why would you want to have to identify the reverse clean-out and/or push a clog backwards, get your snake stuck... when it is so much easier to have all your clean-outs going with the flow. PLEASE READ UPC 707.4 And your smart ass comment are dumb ass.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel No problem if you want to clean up the crap you just got in the the building by popping the C/O plug inside. You can do plumbing the way you want, right or not. You stated "Two-way C/O is accepted for maintenance of the line, outside C/O means less mess inside, makes sense to me. And if one were so inclined as to plumb a drain line straight up the toilet rather than to install a closet ell into a sanitary tee may be on drugs too. I'll leave name calling to children. Good luck.
Mindstay 1 year ago
@Mindstay You make no sense whatsoever. The terminating end of the horiz, line can be accessed outside the building. And what are you talking about? "plumb a drain line straight up the toilet" Of course the drainline goes straight to the toilet. A closet elbow is part of the drain line then depending on how you vent it, you use use either a santee (vertical) or a wye (horizontal) set at 45 degrees or greater. A reverse snake can find its way up the toilet or vent and you wont know which.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@Mindstay I have been doing DWV for over 30 years. IT IS SO OBVIOUS YOU ARE A SERICE HANDYMAN AND NEVER DID ROUGH-IN DRAIN/ WASTE/VENT. A closet elbow does not have to go to a sanitary tee. It can be vented with a wye set at 45 or greater. As for popping the cleanout and getting crap in the buiding I ask you to think about what the TERMINATING END is. Please read code 707.4 and get yourself a book on DWV. I would love to see you try to run 18 fixture units into a 4 foot stack. Duh what?
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
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@laybackbarrel in Arizona we also use Wisconsin fittings , which is a san tee with a side inlet , We also use air admittance valves "studor vents" beats the foot vent or loop vent which ever you want too call them .
2020starman 1 year ago
@Mindstay Last thing. "IT IS NOT LUCK, IT IS NOT THE WAY I WANT RIGHT OR NOT." IT IS CODE!!!! IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT SEEMS. IT TOOK ME 7 YEARS OF DWV ROUGH-IN BEFORE I BECAME PROFICIENT AND MY WORK BECAME VERY CLEAN AND SIMPLE. IN 30 YEARS I NEVER NEW ABOUT 707.4 SEC 2. (C). I WILL STILL NOT USE THAT ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE 707.4 IS CLEANER.THAT WAY A FUTURE UNAWARE SERVICE HANDYMAN CANT GO STICKIN HIS SNAKE BACKWARDS THROUGH THE DRAINS AND VENTS, AND YES UP A TOILET. PLEASE STOP WITH IGNORANCE.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel I got it, you believe there is only one way to do Plumbing in every part of the world, your way only. I've had enough of your school-yard name calling. I can't discuss Plumbing with a single track mind that always degrades me while I discuss calmly, civilly & respectfully. You may even still continue to rant and berate my many years in Plumbing long after because it may behold you some reward. But, as you stated earlier, I will conclude with, "I'm done".
Mindstay 1 year ago
@Mindstay Actually if you refer to your first reply to me you were very much a smart ass and anything but civil or respectful. It is 6 above this one. The one where you say you think "i am a higher authority than the AZ inspector". Then I present you with facts and codes, and you continue to berat me saying "That i think there is only one way in the world to do plumbing, my way only." Truth is i called you out on each wrong comment you made, and you have no technical reply so you cont. to rant.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@Mindstay Can you calmly and civilly tell me about 1. how a drainline doesnt goes straight to a toilet? 2. how you concur code states you must have a two way clean-out? 3. how a closet ell has to go to santee? I apologize for the smart ass comments but you did start it. And with all due respect your ignorance does not beguile me, it frustrates me. 2020 starman actually has knowledge, so i can learn from his replies, so far all you have given me is rude comments to distract from plumbing facts.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel 1. A drain line can go to the w/c by using a sani-tee installed (vertically) with the closet ell (for the w/c) going into the tee. 2. Please read U.P.C. code 707.4 exception #4. 3. You would use the top side of the sani-tee to run the vtr (vent through roof) line. The tub/shower or lav. vents can be re-vented to the main vent stack for the w/c. Hope these answers helped. My "ignorance" is in your eyes, where others respect my knowledge as valid. Happy Plumbing!
Mindstay 1 year ago
@Mindstay Exactly, the drainline goes directly to the toilet, the Santee vents vertical. Nice work.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel That's the way i prefer to vent (Santee) But every once in awhile to meet vent distance requirements the lay out calls for the (vent) Wye at 45 degrees +, in which case a reverse snake would most likely find it's way up the toilet.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel in Arizona we also use Wisconsin fittings , which is a san tee with a side inlet , We also use air admittance valves "studor vents" beats the foot vent or loop vent which ever you want too call them .Arizona
2020starman 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel Thank you for the "Handyman" remark. I still have yet to come up through a vertical sani-tee through the closet ell and up the flange. Looking forward to it though. LOL Yes I know that you can plumb the w/c into a combo. or a wye with a 45 then continue the vent @ the upper flow. The later may be best if you've got back-to-back w/c. You do it how you like. We are both right.
Mindstay 1 year ago
@Mindstay 2. Sec. 707.4 is modified to read: Each horizontal drainage pipe shall be provided with a cleanout at its upper terminal and each run of piping, which is more than 100 feet (30.4 m) in total developed length, shall be provided with a cleanout for each 100 feet (30.4 m), or fraction thereof, in length of such piping. Exceptions:
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@Mindstay You are actually using an alternative method by using section 2. (c). TELL YOUR STUPID AZ INSPECTORS TO READ THE CODE THEN TELL THEM TO !@#$%OFF.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel No you don't have to, but per [U.P.C. 707.4 exception #4] "An approved type of two-way c/o installed in the bldg. wall near the connection between bldg. drain & bldg. sewer or outside of bldg. @ the lower end of bldg. drain & extended to grade may be substituted for an upper terminal c/o." You are right, "everyone has their way of doing things". So I am ignorant for doing it per the way I mentioned. I am a service plumber and my customers rather C/Os in the yard than open a wall.
Mindstay 1 year ago
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laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@Mindstay Makes it easier to know which way your running the cable? You must be on drugs. How would installing a two way clean-out make easier to know which way your running the cable when if you used the primary code method there is only one way to run the cable. How do you mark which clean-out goes reverse? What if a future service doesnt see it because it is blocked by bushes? and then his snake comes up the toilet? NO REVERSE CLEAN-OUTS ON MY SITE!! Too confusing and unneccesary. IM DONE
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel serving a blockage at a two way clean out is very easy really ... only thing you have to know is the direction each one represents .. its a real time saver ... you dont have to run the cable from the back , say if the blockage was in yard as most blockages are from roots .. if you're not sure of direction of the clean outs... fill up lines and the back up tells you which one too clear it from ... water will be in the one you want too run the cable ...
2020starman 1 year ago
@2020starman I still dont get it . If back-up is in (front) yard, then dont you just need a clean-out at the building going toward street/sewer? In the case of video above were refering to... if back up is downstream in yard, wouldnt both (2 way c/o lines) back-up? I think the only reason for the 2 way is if it is too difficult to put a c/o at end terminus of horiz. run. or if its over 100ft. Thats my humble opinion. Diagrams sure are easier than words.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel I'm sorry. please let reiterate ... fill lines with water , look into clean outs , if line fills up .. its toward the street.. if you see no water its toward the house
2020starman 1 year ago
@2020starman Thats logical. I always 4" for a main. Smooth bore ABS. Nothing ever clogs. It is glued (as opposed to landscape drains so roots arent a problem) and has (min.quarter bubble grade) 1/4 inch per foot. I guess i could see your point not having to haul your snake around the backyard, but it just doesnt seem right putting that snake in reverse not knowing where it is going. If you just put it in a bit and made sure you didnt come up someones toilet i guess it could save a little time
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel wow .. you guys still going at it ? peace out
2020starman 1 year ago
@2020starman Actually a "Combo" is technically known as an "ABS Combination Tee & Wye". I referred to the Wye part of the Combo to make it easier on the homeowner. But your right it is legal code; irc [3005.2.7] upc [707.4] In my opinion A much simpler design is to have a clean-out at the upper terminal of horiz. runs on first floor. upc [707.4] Then you dont have to mark the reverse clean-out so someone doesnt go poking his snake up a toilet. then use a one way cleanout at base of stack.
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@2020starman 707.4 sec. 2 (c)(c) An approved type of two-way cleanout fitting, installed inside the building wall near the connection between the building drain and building sewer or installed outside of a building at the lower end of a building drain and extended to grade, may be substituted for an upper terminal cleanout. Go ahead push your blockages the wrong way. I DONT USE ALTERNATIVE METHODS I USE THE SIMPLE METHOD 707.4 sec. (2) Read it its the first line in 707.4
laybackbarrel 1 year ago
@laybackbarrel hey, that's cool ........... I'm all for plumbers choice !! I'm sure you're a pretty good plumber ....
2020starman 1 year ago