society is humans 4000 years old decision to gain more power and security in exchange of self- nature.But since people are never happy about the curent situation which is natural beacuse this makes us think.We are always tryng to put self-nature in society to feel more like living beings.But society is power thus madness which leads to inequilibrium that creates universal entropy that makes humans suffer or feel happy.Like leafs victims of strong winds.
We are responsible for everything happening around us. We've all played a part. Anything that is created by man & his thought is not reality, but we believe it to be. We know nothing else other than what is right in front of us. Our world is such a mess right now & no one wants to take responsibility. We blame everyone else. This is seen on a much smaller scale such as in our own individual problems. Multiply that by about 6 billion & you can see the same mess. Just through bigger problems.
@satori802 I don't disagree with you. I am simply acknowledging that things need no complication in the way you might perceive them. For me complication is no different than the need to solve a problem. Meditating upon solving this problem becomes a form of self-help. Problems require a solution, complication is caused by a lack of applied education. What I am saying is that there are different ways of looking at the same issue, one that implies complication and no complication.
If you are a truth seeker, search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Everyone needs to see this. The Present will turn this world right-side up if it reaches enough people.
To seek the truth, go to google and type in Truth Contest, and click on the first result. Read The Present on the first page. If you can write a better entry, please let us know.
Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politicaly manipulated,tyrannical market system of artificial scarcity . We can and must share the world in cooperation for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without
@born2fight99 Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a market system of artificial scarcity . We can share the world for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
@ubbecykelkedja Not just your family but most people acknowledge there is a problem and then move on to watching soap operas or something. The reality is they dont see there is a serious problem. Not really. Or at least they think the problem is 'out there' and has nothing to do with them... But that doesnt matter. A man who wants to change, who feels that need in his blood WILL CHANGE! Regardless whether there are 1000s with him or he's alone cos after REALLY SEEING he wont have an option
Yes you are right - society will be directly proportional to our condition. In fact society IS us. Thats exactly what he is saying. Each one us is responsible for this mess. Hence to change it, WE must change radically. You'll be amazed to see how many people are unable to comprehend this very basic thing....And that change isnt about bringing about a society where there are no accidents or natural disasters or physical pain! What it's aimed at is a psychologically sane society.
@ryahul Correct. Unfortunately, the conditioning is MUCH stronger than the awareness and willingness to change. There are too few of us. I am changing, but no one else even among my family are. They understand and acknowledge we have a serious problem, but they respond "You think about it for about 2 minutes, then you move on." They think resistance against the norms is futile and only hurts themselves - materialistically. When they are rich, they say they might change. I just facepalm.
He is trying to make you aware that you can change the universe around you by starting with yourself. We have already made all religions, politics, money, killing and war. he is also saying that we are blocking ourselves from true peace by following the past ideologies and not asking ourselves what the true problem is, because you know what? Nothing that humanity has come up with before has brought peace. you have to create it yourself first!
He knows what he is talking about.. for some people its not so easy to understand, they start to say that " its all bullshit etc etc. thats its impossible to change anything,," but there are THOSE who will listen to Krishnamurti's words and will gain some knowldge, so that they can use it in practice.
@MultiMini89 He has no idea what he's talking about. First of all, society would never have become what it is now if it were possible to perfect ourselves. This is nothing new, people have been saying it for thousands of years. What people can't seem to understand is the existence of real evil, independent or our perception of it. For example, natural disaster, hurricanes and earthquakes are not determined by our consciousness. The guy in this video is speaking in meaningless cryptic terms.
@knowwaie I'm willing to bet, he knows what he's talking about. You simply don't understand it. Introverts tend to understand their minds and how they work. This is because they study themselves, their actions, their choices and decisions.
Many people are, in fact, in a constant state of crisis, clamoring for whatever they can get out of life before it's over. Many will admit to it. There's nothing new about it. Many societies today, have been shaped to facilitate such greedy, selfish interests.
@VirikNavarro I'm assuming you're an atheist. What is there to "shape" our world but nature? Common sense should tell you that the world without some outside influence can have no other cause but itself. This is basic logic. So whatever the result today is in effect what nature intended. We can clearly see the reason for the state of the world. It's pride. Every person, being a self, naturally put themselves first. This isn't complicated The person in this video doesn't understand the world.
@knowwaie If you understand the world then why is it that you have to state for others what the world is, and what the world isn't? It's probably because you really don't completely, and totally understand it, and so in showing this ideation of understanding, you are trying to create a fact. But you can not come to a fact through ideas. Facts do not age, they do not fault in time; but our memories, our ideas will get foggy, they will change, because they are not actual, they are illusion.
I shouldn't have to tell others how the world is. It's common sense. I'd said in an earlier comment that this guy doesn't understand that evil exists no matter what we do. We're not the cause of it but we observe it in nature with things like death, disease and natural disaster which are not directly caused by us but things inherent in nature. This guy is saying that if we all somehow perfected ourselves then the world would be perfect, but that's impossible, the world is not perfect.
@knowwaie I think he's just talking about human beings and human society here. For someone who obviously does a lot of thinking, Krishnamurti would be aware that there's nothing we can do about death, disease and natural disaster....they are immutable facts of existence.....rather, i think he's saying we can alter our conciousness to create a better society and better ourselves, that's all.....
@Op3rationMongoose Technology and human progress will eventually transcend these things and would do so much sooner were it not for the restraints we are allowing our leaders to place on our progress.
@FoxKnightJ07 Sure, technology will progress, provided our civilisation doesn't enter another dark age through some cataclysm of our 'leaders' own making. I can see the parrallel point about 'leaders' holding us back. Yes... We don't need leaders, rather, we need teachers and guides to help us walk our own paths.
@knowwaie He is essentially saying 'We have all created this present immoral society and we are trapped by it - by our own creation'. What makes you think he is referring to the destruction caused by earthquakes and hurricanes or other natural disasters?
I don't think he is referring to natural disaster. That's the point. He completely neglects it. So, death, pain and suffering exist despite our personal dislike of it's existence. You're right, he is saying that we created the condition of the world. But death is not a human invention, neither is pain. He is referring specifically to society but wouldn't our society be directly proportional to our condition? This guy is clearly not thinking straight but God bless him for trying, i suppose.
@knowwaie If i may respectfully point out, you have no idea what he is talking about. Why should he talk about natural disasters? He's not proposing a solution for death. Neither is he proposing a solution for physical pain or suffering. He talks about psychological pain and suffering. And he is not 'trying' at all as you put it. He is merely describing facts - not about physical pain or suffering or death but how this mess is of our own making. Now whats cyptic about that?
He knows what he is talking about.. for some people its not so eeasy to understand, they start to say that " its all bulshit etc etc. thats its impossible to change anything,," but there are THOSE who will listen to Krishnamurti's words and will gain some knowldge, so that they can use it in practice.
Capitalism is the wage slavey of immense humanity for the abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration in the hands of a few. A system of perpetual war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty of industrial proportions.A system of suppression of our true humanity and creative potentials, A prison planet of imposition of fear,insecurity and dehumanisation. WE NEED TO SHARE THE EARTH IN COOPERATION FOR OUR COLLECTIVE NEEDS AND WELL BEING.
beautifull Dhamma from a wonderul late teacher. 1 of the first to teach Dhamma in english western words. Be the change you want to see in others...if you think the world is dirty, you dont have to put a rug over the hole globe, better teach people to each wear shoes . may all be peacefull and loving
The rulers have created MARKET MECHANISM of artificial sarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation for their private gain and greed. Market system is the denial of society,freedom and sanity. This monetary web of the wage slavery of immense humanity in a useless,wastefull employment system is the alienation of man.
@VenusFriend i recommend you have a look at alot more things... Peter Joseph is just a well maneuvered puppet, and btw, JACQUE Fresco was around long before this zeitgeist bullshit has become somekind of fashion
Yes. Find out if you really have something to lose by not being a corrupt hypocrite. If you are afraid of death, you cannot be free. You will always succumb to the temptation for comfort instead of truth.
I like how he said "Religious, political, football." These are all conflicting elements and we know why. What a great man, wish he was my grandpa so I can absorb more philosophy and understanding.
The truth will set you free. Simple. We complicate everything, the truth hurts. We know all this but fear keeps us from being who we really are. We are on the verge of destruction if we the generation that has aquire all the wisdom from buddah, Jesus, muhhamed. And krishnumarti and yet still can't understand our true nature. We are done. Awaken your inner truth and see what we are doing.
instead of complcating then question to find the answer and vice versa we should understand what we are... understand yourself and speak to yourself... don't ask questions to the mind that it knows are there... simply speak inwardly and express outwardly
What is your point?Are you being facetious , cynical, skeptical or all 3? Is your point that none of this makes any sense?That it is all a bunch of claptrap? You are right of course if that is your point. In the end any kind of understanding is completely limited and can never hit the mark. It would help mankind greatly if everyone became skeptical. But I would question whether true skeptisim includes anger and cynicism. Or is ones skepticism born out of a simple love for what is really true?
Simple love for real truth- and how do we attain? How do we change ourselves which is to change others?
Or is it others have changed, and so, now I change?
Understanding should should not be limited, like saying the light is shining in a limited way. It may be dim or bright, we attain the same understanding when real truth is the aim.
Now what do we understand and how do we use that to develop ourselves?
We don't attain love for real truth by just wanting it so. It happens automatically when our lies become so tiresome and painful that something rises in us and says "enough!" That is where change comes from too. It is intrinsic in the total perception of our lie. (ie. You naturally pull your hand from the fire when you realize it burns) So I don't change myself thru an act of will. Change happens naturally, organically when my lie and its suffering is seen. lie= programming = conditioning
As for understanding....Wouldn't you say the human mind and it's thinking processes are limited? Can it ever fathom the infinite wonders of the universe or even the infinite nature of ourselves as part of this universe. The human mind thinks it can solve the problem of our existence, but look at where that has taken us. Genocide, war, ecological destruction. It seems obvious understanding can only take us so far. Not to throw it out, but certainly to question it at every turn.
If they are limited the mind has not realized mind. That is to say, the homosapian is one and the same with it's environment. A process of the environment. I do my part here to keep at peace but this effort is not enough, my environment is still filled with other humans not being at peace. It is the situation of having to put our hand in the fire to pull others out or watch them suffer. Understanding causes the fire and removes the fire. Would you agree the difference come from "love"?
I respect deeply the search for truth and glad you see how it grows inside the homosapian naturally. Lies, also, grow in our minds and some are averted and others
fall into their delusions.
In a sense they are both real,
but the lie untrue. We see the
difference when we think. Thinking is how we build bridges for to cross and how love or lies resonates. It connects me to the wars in a physical way, knowing we share the same earth surface, and we can't stop. This is the problem...
I think ignorance creates the lie. "Love" removes it. Love or compassion allows one to see others' suffering as his own. Then what I see outside becomes the mirror, bringing it back to me. Where do I suffer? Mostly, I cannot save people directly.Or stop wars directly. But I can see the same ignorance that starts wars is in me. In the end it is up to the individual to see his own conflicts. Individual change grows exponentially. I change, those around me change, those around them change, etc.
That is the power of the seeming lone individual. He does not operate in a vacuum. He is connected, not seperate. In that, he is completely enough.
As for thinking and understanding, I agree it has its useful place. But don't you think the "love" you talk about is more experiential and possibly transcends the thinking mind?
True understanding is just an experiential. Conventionally, what is called understanding is not what I mean. Not just thinking. So, yes, but if we can make this distinction between understandings. When it becomes the master instead of the servant is when thinking becomes the problem.
Thinking without love is cold and uncaring. Love without thinking is babbling gibberish. I feel a balance needs to be struck between the two and if both are not developed together one spoils the other.
Now this becomes an even subtler conversation. What is the nature of true understanding and love? Does any definition suffice? Maybe the only way to get close is only by seeing what it is not? By perceiving our ignorance, do we then come to understanding?
Is there inwardly an even deeper nature than we are presently aware that can inform our thinking nature, understanding and love? In which, no developement is necessary, but automatic and organic?
Understanding and love seem to be emergent properties of human behavior. This is the old joke of the woman getting chopped and half and the philosopher. Someone asks how the trick is done and the philosopher says, "Well, you see, the magician doesn't really chop the woman in half."
You cannot know a thing by knowing what it is not. It can help you in other ways, but not to find truth.
Without each particular grain of sand, the mountain would not be there. Each grain added to the other IS the mountain.
In the context of what I was trying to say, it is called a metaphor, an analogy between that piece of sand and an individual as an integral part of humanity (the mountain). I was not speaking scientifically.
No, wait. The now contains all time. If that's a fact - a fact, not a theory, not some kind of speculative conclusion - that all time is contained in the now, this is the future, this is the present. There is no movement towards or for. There is no movement. Movement implies time, right? So there is no change. Change becomes idiotic. Then I am what I am: I am greedy, and I say yes.
Do not underestimate the grain of sand. It has its part in holding up the mountain. Dislodge the right grain of sand and the whole mountain tumbles down. Do not underestimate the tiny spark either. It is the beginning of a forest fire. In the deepest recess of our being we are all connected. No separation. A sea of mankind. The suffering of another is our suffering, the joy of another is our joy. A change in the whole worlds circumstance can only happen with the individual first.
I know and agree, but it is a lot easier to break down a mountain then to create a new mountain from sand. I'm not saying do nothing because it is a almost impossible task. I'm just bring it back to reality.
It seems an impossible task when you think you have to change other people. But if you can really see that we are all connected, then a change in ourselves automatically creates change in others effortlessly. If we can just see that the larger picture of humanity includes us, we realize the whole picture changes when we change. All it takes is one. You. Or me. It doesn't matter. We are not seperate.That is reality. We have been taught to be small by society, but that is a lie. We are infinite.
If the individual is indivisable from society, then is it not all of society that changes at once? Can an individual change first, and there after change society? If so then does that not imply a delay in transmission, that there is a separation between the individual and society? If there is no separation then there is no individual, and if there is a separation then can the individual ever affect more then just the individual. Can the fragment ever be the whole?
@zonybenvid Yes, the individual is pretty much an illusion, and as such all of society changes at once with the individual. Once an individual changes, there is nothing else to do. Any action upon the world by the individual will be informed by that change. That change will require it and the action will be automatic. But do not look so much to effect change yourself, rather become choiclessly aware of who you are in all ugliness and beauty, and that awareness is what effects real change.
@OnlyHereNow If I am looking to change, that implies an act of heroism, and I think that is a main reason in why someone would want to change society, and desire to. But as you said the change is choiceless, it's not a list of reasons you may struggle to agree with, because it's not really choice once you are aware.
@zonybenvid It seems to me "heroism" implies ego. One naturally looks for change when they are suffering. But when one sees the suffering of humanity, and that his own suffering is part of that, a sense of responsiblity and compassion arise along with that desire for change. In this compassion, one automatically starts to listen, to examine, to become aware of his own suffering and its causes. No heroism, just choiceless change.
Yes I actually agree with you, but lets face it. 85% of the people breathing right now are to ignorant and lazy to educate themselves into this sort of position. You be able to speak to 10,000 people, but only one will listen. I'm just speaking the true which is a lot more difficult then just changing attitude.
To believe in nothing is to say you know for a fact that what you say is truth, yet you nor I actually do know. This is why we can only contemplate and theorize to take away most bias and error. Science in itself isn't set in stone.
I agree with you there. But I am not talking about a beleif IN nothing. What I have been talking about is the possiblity of having no belief at all. Being free of beliefs, images, concepts, completely.
I see what you mean, but this will never become reality. We are all conditioned into some concept wether it be up and down, or Heaven and Hell. Colors we see or feelings we experience. Love is nothing more then chemicals in the brain giving you a high for 6 months, but why do people last their whole life instead of finding another partners.
Yes, conditioning happens. I'm not gonna stop liking chocolate icecream once in a while instead of vanilla. But to live without the beliefs, concepts, and images that seperate us from each other and cause inner and outer conflict and suffering, I think IS possible!
And it is this that creates a order in life of which we can see what is really truth and what is really false. From which we can see what is freedom and what is not. I however would never want such a world as you do to each their own. I prefer unity amongst diversity. A sense of identity and history that makes us all unique and special. To make us all one brand is make us cattle.
Yet interestingly, it is this very sense of identity, history, uniqueness, and specialness that everyone fights to keep, and kills to protect that is sending humanity to it's grave and taking half the planet with it.
Yes indeed for we are simple creatures that are easy to deceive and manipulate. What you must understand is that their will never be peace on earth especially with people like this guy and other world leaders who push to corrupt our souls hiding under a peaceful and charming front. Like I said I push for unity amongst diversity, but at the same time know it won't happen on this physical plain. I then chose to at least point people in the right direction, but ultimately it's up to them.
Does he ask if the content of our consciousness can end? Does he imply that there's a different point of view than the one society presents us from the moment we're born?
it's so much easier to blame our actions and consequences to a higher unproven power, than to admit that most world problems are caused by us, we are the sickness in our society. It will take us thousands of years to purge this out of us,
seems to me no higher power, nor lower power exists. That is just another conditioned, constructed image of the thinking mind. And if there were a higher and lower power, where is the demarcation or dividing line, and who makes the decision as to which is which?
Or is it conditioning to think other wise. Think about it now society is moving towards a dyeing/dumbing down of spiritual awareness. We are catered by whats physical.
It is not conditioning to not think or believe something. It is conditioning to believe anything at all. What is spiritual awareness anyway? Ask 100 different people you will get 100 different answers based on their ideological and societal conditioning. They are just words, concepts, images, things one has been taught stored in memory, dead. Nothing fresh, living , vital, nothing that touches the true infinite nature of being. If you say there is a higher power, you already box it in.
Your first 2 sentences contradict each other. To not believe in something is to condition yourself as well as limit yourself to the physical world or the world we can sense(closing the box). To believe in a higher power(opens the box) and allows for a much more complex situation to unfold.
Of course people from different backgrounds have different ways to explain spirituality, because we are limited to what we experience in life and perceive it as that. We will never learn all the truth in this world and others, but that doesn't mean you should give up to what we already know. What you see as words is the physical part of the substance, but there is more to "just words" you have to look for it.
No contradiction at all. ie. If I never heard about Santa Claus I am not conditioned to believe in him. No brain space for that program is used for there is no program, no conditioning. Where as a belief in something takes up brain space, memory, and energy to activate it and protect it. I would say believing in a higher power is still delegating yourself to the realm of limited thoughts and concepts (box). In no belief, there is no box to open or close. Here I am free, no limitation at all.
However "brain space" is used. You see you need to used space to actually say Santa Claus doesn't exist and so on. In a realm of non belief you are stuck with what society knows and perceives as truth. So in fact by not thinking outside the box you limit yourself to a small spectrum of what is known or believed to be known as truth.
You see in order to create new truths you need to create concepts and beliefs no matter the dullness of it.
I don't say Santa Claus exists or not exists. I've never even heard of him in the example. Non-conditioned is not another form of condtioning. I am not creating a box to think inside or outside. I don't create belief in what society knows and perceives either. Again, here I am free, no limitiation.
You see for people to be what you are describing is to be literally no one. To have never as much as seen another human being. This would be truly free, but do you really want to be a hermit with no color, no up or down, no right or left etc..
In reality you have heard of a Santa and chose not to believe, but that takes space. Also your brain is a muscle and like all muscles if you don't us it it will deteriorate.
Love this cat! one of the brilliant loving thinkers and spot on truth seeker, like Bertrand Russell,, Tim Leary, Ram Das,George Carlin, George Harrison, John Lennon, Bill Hicks, Rimbaud, The Anti-deluvian poets, Dylan, Marx Bros. King, Buddah, Neil Young,RamaKrisna, Sandoz Lab, Owsley III, Zeus, Thor , Lincoln, Jung, and the many more WISE & brilliant humans that have lived and died and created the myths that are trying to WAKE US UP with WISDOM & LOVE from this self destructive hatred
The fact is tard that these are just words of wisdom, ya know that stuff you get from THINKING and LEARNING(I know i'm getting technical but bare with me now.) he is just stateing what he has learned not dictating what a person should think. if you want something like that look to organized religions.
Also next time you have a thought, just let it go.
Our problem is that we cannot accept what others think about life.look at these comments! we are complaining because we think that and someone thinks that.If people like the way they think about religion,society,governements etc...let it be!
Our realities are self-shaped, and not universally true. I can radically alter my life in order to "be the change" that i want to see in the world, and then hope that others are inspired to do the same. Any which way the change must come from within in order to truly be change. If one is immersed in their constructed fantasies to distract them from reality, they will not "be the change." They are busy deluding themselves that everything is fine. This includes immersion in religion.
i like what u say here... i believe it to be true as well for everything we experience is internalized and internalized in different ways by different ppl... i believe u gotta be what u want the world to be... i was tryin to figure out this dudes name for so long DOPE VID
The bible is not and cannot be a history book... So if one accepts that there are inconsistencies, inaccuracies, political editings, etc. in the bible... it raises the question, what meaning does it contain for our modern world?
Perhaps bible-readers could accept that readers (of anything) edit and rewrite what they read in their own minds to serve their own realities, anyway.
Jesus would not care because he was high on the spiritual path that he could make anything manifest into matter. With the father anything is possible. He was trying to get people to be like him. We are so conditioned by society that we automatically think of obstacles and lack when our true nature is abundance. But we must first start with what krishnamurti is talking about in this video!
Jesus realized and manifested the "Christ" Consciousness in him; the same Christ Consciousness that aniamtes you and me and everything else in the infinite sea of the universe. We don't have to believe this because we read it in a book or heard it from a sermon, we can perceive it from the subtle being of our souls. The ultimate observer behind our thoughts.
That is to say you idea of jesus comes from not knowing what consciousness is.
Perhaps you shouldn't be coming out with half baked ideas that you've simply attached the word "Jesus" to in some attempt to appeal to a divine principal.
Start to look for divinty in the world and in your consciousness and refrain from simply making it up.
Sure ...He is made up... for where ? from our own inablity to understand our own Xsitance sorry for the spelling ......but to keep with the logic or of absence is to be the same as the persistence of our desire to Know ...... that is imposible
If you tell one of the greats like jesus or buddha that there is going to be a recession he would probably say "who cares". Worry about the recession within.
Because they don't/didn't have kids to raise, you need money to buy food, clothing, shelter, send your kids to college/university. Enlightenment in the sense that most gurus have shown us cannot be reached in the type of society we live in. A lot of these people are very intelligent, well worded and speak loads of wisdom, but not EVERYTHING they say works for everyone and shouldn't because as individuals we all choose a different path.
Unfortunately there's too much at stake for the rich for this society to ever change. And people like myself have grown up adopting the traits and traditions our families have set and taught us to have a dramatic change. It's a part of us. Not to say I don't have love and compassion for others or I'm not willing to make subtle changes to better my being. But to make a massive change that would affect society is out of my hands, it would need to be a collective effort from all of us.
yes we all must relize, i think it will happen as we run out of oil mabey natural disaster if we dont stop wars and destroying the planet, so we can either wait for the enevitable, or make the change for the better
We can not change society, this only leads to delusion. We can only change ourselves and thus we change the world. Like Gandhi and many others have shown: Be the Change you want to See.
What krishnamurti is trying to say is people worry about wars, politics, celebrities on t.v,etc.... What about you! The answer is in you. We give our power to the outer when we complain about it. In reality there is no society. There is no divisions, countries, religions, races, etc.... It's all in our belief!
yes!! This perception of "reality" is the prison of the mind. We believe what our senses tell us, and so we disbelieve in the underlying Reality. The Reality of Consciousness.
The good news is . . .
The world-cage, which appears so solid, is in fact barely even here. Only perception builds it around you. You can choose a different perception.
i agree with him. I always believed that if the world had 1 billion people instead of 6 we wouldnt have to create such a corporate society. we created rich and poor we created money.
think of it in ancient times people just searched for food and created basic societies. that's all we need instead of all this technology and commerce and industialization. we wouldnt need all this if we were a tiny population on earth. and if we were this small everyone would have what they need hence no wars
you ppl are ignorants, krishnamurti it's one of the most wise persons and also he worked in himself, his internal crisis and he is concious that he is god, we all are god, just that we can't see it because we are so distracted by everytnhing, we pay attention to everything but ourselfs, that's why our society it's fucked up, if everyone could pay attention to themselfs spiritually, this society would be really different in a possitive way of course
I exist. My Lord exist. My search for His glimmer, my search for His grandeur is never ending. I am moving unto Him, moving along in a never ending path. The search for the Great by the little is called mysticism. The fundamental point of spirituality depends on this mysticism, and when this mysticism, this outward existence, coincides with the inner spirit of mysticism - the goal is reached. Unit becomes Cosmic - and for that - and for that attainment of this - we have come to the world.
Tere is Iching in classics of chine. When the code is
used,he is Pervading (Peace).I think that this is a duty when he is alive. Moreover ,there is Centre Confirming in another code. It shows Inner Truth.
If a selflessness it,and sincere,correct road is defended hard,the person can be corresponding to heaven road low of nature.I think these to teach the method concretely like the present age and to exist.
Logic itself is merely just the function of the Ego within the conscious mind which is devising systems of investigation and interpretation. And this Ego itself which is within the conscious and subconscious, is but the smallest portion of the entire entity. A component of one phenomenon can never give meaning to the entire phenomenon, a page of a book cannot give meaning to an entire book, let alone the macrocosm itself. The problem is that this Ego is often identified as the full entity.
I enjoy reading what you have to say here Amirmourad, you seem very intelligent for one so young. It's refreshing to see sensible dialogue taking place here. My conversations elsewhere were hijacked by a born again christian who refused to acknowledge anyone's view but his own. Take care and keep going. very warmly, Paul.
Knowledge of any form is paralyzed in the midst of trying to give clarity to that which is soundless, boundless, colorless, tasteless, the Energy of energy and the Cause of causes which resides at the core of every unit of consciousness, for as per E=mc*squared, indeed is all one energy manifesting itself in a million different ways. Knowledge implies being bounded by the faculty of logic, for Truth is a phenomenon which is EXPERIENTIAL.
First time I read Krishnamurti. It was some book i found in the library that was written (spoken) by him. I was struck. The words were so honest and spoke of the world in way I had never heard before. I don't know if I really understand what he means. But I know me life wouldn't have been the same if I hadn't read it..
I enjoyed reading your sentiment here. I remember the first time I became aware of him was after George Harrison died. VH1 was honoring him by devoting the whole day to interviews with him and one of them was with Krishnamurti. I saw his face and I was actually frightened! So very serious. And I only saw it for a second! I pushed it out of my mind and forgot about it until a few yrs later. I picked him up off of a bookshelf and was blown away. I felt the same way as you.
George Harrison interview Krishnamurti! Would love to have seen it. Can't see K liking the Beatles or the whole celebrity guru thing as K once said that he would like to see the Marharishi's balance sheets.
Would you think, that you can sound so much more wizer when you talk in questions? Is it not true that Buddha was very wize? Did Buddha not talk only in questions? Is it not the fact of the matter that this makes us wizer in the practical and percepival scence, but asking question is the only way we can also gain wisdom?
society is humans 4000 years old decision to gain more power and security in exchange of self- nature.But since people are never happy about the curent situation which is natural beacuse this makes us think.We are always tryng to put self-nature in society to feel more like living beings.But society is power thus madness which leads to inequilibrium that creates universal entropy that makes humans suffer or feel happy.Like leafs victims of strong winds.
MyDenis0 1 month ago
@btd19803 Great comment. Made me think.
Prelestnost2 2 months ago
We are responsible for everything happening around us. We've all played a part. Anything that is created by man & his thought is not reality, but we believe it to be. We know nothing else other than what is right in front of us. Our world is such a mess right now & no one wants to take responsibility. We blame everyone else. This is seen on a much smaller scale such as in our own individual problems. Multiply that by about 6 billion & you can see the same mess. Just through bigger problems.
btd19803 3 months ago 2
@satori802 I don't disagree with you. I am simply acknowledging that things need no complication in the way you might perceive them. For me complication is no different than the need to solve a problem. Meditating upon solving this problem becomes a form of self-help. Problems require a solution, complication is caused by a lack of applied education. What I am saying is that there are different ways of looking at the same issue, one that implies complication and no complication.
TheJamezMan 5 months ago
@satori802 Not true. You live in a complicated world.
TheJamezMan 5 months ago
If you are a truth seeker, search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Everyone needs to see this. The Present will turn this world right-side up if it reaches enough people.
DemianHermann 6 months ago
anyone know which talk this is from?
ChiefWolfmoon 6 months ago
@ChiefWolfmoon Ojai Talks 1982 youtube.com/watch?v=7-joTEJ6MZE
levanderful 4 months ago
This is amazing !!! J. Krishnamurti has sooo many opinions that I tried to tie together but never could. He is brilliant ! !
genericmember1234 9 months ago
Evolution created this society...
TheHolyMolyPoly 9 months ago
To seek the truth, go to google and type in Truth Contest, and click on the first result. Read The Present on the first page. If you can write a better entry, please let us know.
DemianHermann 10 months ago
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Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politicaly manipulated,tyrannical market system of artificial scarcity . We can and must share the world in cooperation for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without
arzoyan 10 months ago
i buy beer from this guy all the time
impalakoala 11 months ago
Krishnamurti always tells it like it is. Need more people in the world like him.
born2fight99 11 months ago 7
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@born2fight99 Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a market system of artificial scarcity . We can share the world for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
arzoyan 11 months ago
@born2fight99 agreed
HajtomY 6 days ago
suffocation
bilal216 1 year ago
@ubbecykelkedja Not just your family but most people acknowledge there is a problem and then move on to watching soap operas or something. The reality is they dont see there is a serious problem. Not really. Or at least they think the problem is 'out there' and has nothing to do with them... But that doesnt matter. A man who wants to change, who feels that need in his blood WILL CHANGE! Regardless whether there are 1000s with him or he's alone cos after REALLY SEEING he wont have an option
ryahul 1 year ago
ryahul got it.
VirikNavarro 1 year ago
contd...
Yes you are right - society will be directly proportional to our condition. In fact society IS us. Thats exactly what he is saying. Each one us is responsible for this mess. Hence to change it, WE must change radically. You'll be amazed to see how many people are unable to comprehend this very basic thing....And that change isnt about bringing about a society where there are no accidents or natural disasters or physical pain! What it's aimed at is a psychologically sane society.
ryahul 1 year ago 2
@ryahul Correct. Unfortunately, the conditioning is MUCH stronger than the awareness and willingness to change. There are too few of us. I am changing, but no one else even among my family are. They understand and acknowledge we have a serious problem, but they respond "You think about it for about 2 minutes, then you move on." They think resistance against the norms is futile and only hurts themselves - materialistically. When they are rich, they say they might change. I just facepalm.
ubbecykelkedja 1 year ago
He is trying to make you aware that you can change the universe around you by starting with yourself. We have already made all religions, politics, money, killing and war. he is also saying that we are blocking ourselves from true peace by following the past ideologies and not asking ourselves what the true problem is, because you know what? Nothing that humanity has come up with before has brought peace. you have to create it yourself first!
butabenjai 1 year ago
He knows what he is talking about.. for some people its not so easy to understand, they start to say that " its all bullshit etc etc. thats its impossible to change anything,," but there are THOSE who will listen to Krishnamurti's words and will gain some knowldge, so that they can use it in practice.
MultiMini89 1 year ago
@MultiMini89 He has no idea what he's talking about. First of all, society would never have become what it is now if it were possible to perfect ourselves. This is nothing new, people have been saying it for thousands of years. What people can't seem to understand is the existence of real evil, independent or our perception of it. For example, natural disaster, hurricanes and earthquakes are not determined by our consciousness. The guy in this video is speaking in meaningless cryptic terms.
knowwaie 1 year ago
@knowwaie I'm willing to bet, he knows what he's talking about. You simply don't understand it. Introverts tend to understand their minds and how they work. This is because they study themselves, their actions, their choices and decisions.
Many people are, in fact, in a constant state of crisis, clamoring for whatever they can get out of life before it's over. Many will admit to it. There's nothing new about it. Many societies today, have been shaped to facilitate such greedy, selfish interests.
VirikNavarro 1 year ago
@VirikNavarro I'm assuming you're an atheist. What is there to "shape" our world but nature? Common sense should tell you that the world without some outside influence can have no other cause but itself. This is basic logic. So whatever the result today is in effect what nature intended. We can clearly see the reason for the state of the world. It's pride. Every person, being a self, naturally put themselves first. This isn't complicated The person in this video doesn't understand the world.
knowwaie 1 year ago
@knowwaie If you understand the world then why is it that you have to state for others what the world is, and what the world isn't? It's probably because you really don't completely, and totally understand it, and so in showing this ideation of understanding, you are trying to create a fact. But you can not come to a fact through ideas. Facts do not age, they do not fault in time; but our memories, our ideas will get foggy, they will change, because they are not actual, they are illusion.
zonybenvid 1 year ago
I shouldn't have to tell others how the world is. It's common sense. I'd said in an earlier comment that this guy doesn't understand that evil exists no matter what we do. We're not the cause of it but we observe it in nature with things like death, disease and natural disaster which are not directly caused by us but things inherent in nature. This guy is saying that if we all somehow perfected ourselves then the world would be perfect, but that's impossible, the world is not perfect.
knowwaie 1 year ago
@knowwaie yeah I completely agree
ar061788 1 year ago
@knowwaie I think he's just talking about human beings and human society here. For someone who obviously does a lot of thinking, Krishnamurti would be aware that there's nothing we can do about death, disease and natural disaster....they are immutable facts of existence.....rather, i think he's saying we can alter our conciousness to create a better society and better ourselves, that's all.....
Op3rationMongoose 8 months ago
@Op3rationMongoose Technology and human progress will eventually transcend these things and would do so much sooner were it not for the restraints we are allowing our leaders to place on our progress.
FoxKnightJ07 8 months ago
@FoxKnightJ07 Sure, technology will progress, provided our civilisation doesn't enter another dark age through some cataclysm of our 'leaders' own making. I can see the parrallel point about 'leaders' holding us back. Yes... We don't need leaders, rather, we need teachers and guides to help us walk our own paths.
Op3rationMongoose 8 months ago
@Op3rationMongoose Well said.
FoxKnightJ07 8 months ago
@Op3rationMongoose you need only your self.
MyDenis0 7 months ago
@knowwaie He is essentially saying 'We have all created this present immoral society and we are trapped by it - by our own creation'. What makes you think he is referring to the destruction caused by earthquakes and hurricanes or other natural disasters?
ryahul 1 year ago
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knowwaie 1 year ago
I don't think he is referring to natural disaster. That's the point. He completely neglects it. So, death, pain and suffering exist despite our personal dislike of it's existence. You're right, he is saying that we created the condition of the world. But death is not a human invention, neither is pain. He is referring specifically to society but wouldn't our society be directly proportional to our condition? This guy is clearly not thinking straight but God bless him for trying, i suppose.
knowwaie 1 year ago
@knowwaie If i may respectfully point out, you have no idea what he is talking about. Why should he talk about natural disasters? He's not proposing a solution for death. Neither is he proposing a solution for physical pain or suffering. He talks about psychological pain and suffering. And he is not 'trying' at all as you put it. He is merely describing facts - not about physical pain or suffering or death but how this mess is of our own making. Now whats cyptic about that?
ryahul 1 year ago
He knows what he is talking about.. for some people its not so eeasy to understand, they start to say that " its all bulshit etc etc. thats its impossible to change anything,," but there are THOSE who will listen to Krishnamurti's words and will gain some knowldge, so that they can use it in practice.
MultiMini89 1 year ago
truebook.org/
superjointritual6660 1 year ago
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Capitalism is the wage slavey of immense humanity for the abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration in the hands of a few. A system of perpetual war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty of industrial proportions.A system of suppression of our true humanity and creative potentials, A prison planet of imposition of fear,insecurity and dehumanisation. WE NEED TO SHARE THE EARTH IN COOPERATION FOR OUR COLLECTIVE NEEDS AND WELL BEING.
arzoyan 1 year ago
beautifull Dhamma from a wonderul late teacher. 1 of the first to teach Dhamma in english western words. Be the change you want to see in others...if you think the world is dirty, you dont have to put a rug over the hole globe, better teach people to each wear shoes . may all be peacefull and loving
noriega28 1 year ago
Hey, it's that bloke off Zeitgeist!
matt301273 1 year ago
The rulers have created MARKET MECHANISM of artificial sarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation for their private gain and greed. Market system is the denial of society,freedom and sanity. This monetary web of the wage slavery of immense humanity in a useless,wastefull employment system is the alienation of man.
arzoyan 1 year ago 3
Truth is a shield that never breaks.
MURDOCMULDOON 1 year ago
I like this guy.
So we are material minded, we think that we need food and a house and more.
How can we get this if we change the society?
I recommend you have a look at what Jaucqe Fresco and The Venus Project/Zeitgeist Movement talks about.
VenusFriend 1 year ago 12
@VenusFriend
its a start yes. an important aspect.
MURDOCMULDOON 1 year ago
@VenusFriend i recommend you have a look at alot more things... Peter Joseph is just a well maneuvered puppet, and btw, JACQUE Fresco was around long before this zeitgeist bullshit has become somekind of fashion
mansoJoe 10 hours ago
J. #Krishnamurti about #Society
muthich 1 year ago
right there
OK2BCK 2 years ago
Yes. Find out if you really have something to lose by not being a corrupt hypocrite. If you are afraid of death, you cannot be free. You will always succumb to the temptation for comfort instead of truth.
mujoshu 2 years ago
I like how he said "Religious, political, football." These are all conflicting elements and we know why. What a great man, wish he was my grandpa so I can absorb more philosophy and understanding.
teo829 2 years ago
The truth will set you free. Simple. We complicate everything, the truth hurts. We know all this but fear keeps us from being who we really are. We are on the verge of destruction if we the generation that has aquire all the wisdom from buddah, Jesus, muhhamed. And krishnumarti and yet still can't understand our true nature. We are done. Awaken your inner truth and see what we are doing.
Chullotron 2 years ago 4
instead of complcating then question to find the answer and vice versa we should understand what we are... understand yourself and speak to yourself... don't ask questions to the mind that it knows are there... simply speak inwardly and express outwardly
Kingme300 2 years ago
damn shit, I don't knwo, who this guy is, but he talks very very intelligent things.
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turbosamvara 2 years ago
What is your point?Are you being facetious , cynical, skeptical or all 3? Is your point that none of this makes any sense?That it is all a bunch of claptrap? You are right of course if that is your point. In the end any kind of understanding is completely limited and can never hit the mark. It would help mankind greatly if everyone became skeptical. But I would question whether true skeptisim includes anger and cynicism. Or is ones skepticism born out of a simple love for what is really true?
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago 2
Simple love for real truth- and how do we attain? How do we change ourselves which is to change others?
Or is it others have changed, and so, now I change?
Understanding should should not be limited, like saying the light is shining in a limited way. It may be dim or bright, we attain the same understanding when real truth is the aim.
Now what do we understand and how do we use that to develop ourselves?
turbosamvara 2 years ago
We don't attain love for real truth by just wanting it so. It happens automatically when our lies become so tiresome and painful that something rises in us and says "enough!" That is where change comes from too. It is intrinsic in the total perception of our lie. (ie. You naturally pull your hand from the fire when you realize it burns) So I don't change myself thru an act of will. Change happens naturally, organically when my lie and its suffering is seen. lie= programming = conditioning
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
continued....
As for understanding....Wouldn't you say the human mind and it's thinking processes are limited? Can it ever fathom the infinite wonders of the universe or even the infinite nature of ourselves as part of this universe. The human mind thinks it can solve the problem of our existence, but look at where that has taken us. Genocide, war, ecological destruction. It seems obvious understanding can only take us so far. Not to throw it out, but certainly to question it at every turn.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
If they are limited the mind has not realized mind. That is to say, the homosapian is one and the same with it's environment. A process of the environment. I do my part here to keep at peace but this effort is not enough, my environment is still filled with other humans not being at peace. It is the situation of having to put our hand in the fire to pull others out or watch them suffer. Understanding causes the fire and removes the fire. Would you agree the difference come from "love"?
turbosamvara 2 years ago
I respect deeply the search for truth and glad you see how it grows inside the homosapian naturally. Lies, also, grow in our minds and some are averted and others
fall into their delusions.
In a sense they are both real,
but the lie untrue. We see the
difference when we think. Thinking is how we build bridges for to cross and how love or lies resonates. It connects me to the wars in a physical way, knowing we share the same earth surface, and we can't stop. This is the problem...
turbosamvara 2 years ago
I think ignorance creates the lie. "Love" removes it. Love or compassion allows one to see others' suffering as his own. Then what I see outside becomes the mirror, bringing it back to me. Where do I suffer? Mostly, I cannot save people directly.Or stop wars directly. But I can see the same ignorance that starts wars is in me. In the end it is up to the individual to see his own conflicts. Individual change grows exponentially. I change, those around me change, those around them change, etc.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
That is the power of the seeming lone individual. He does not operate in a vacuum. He is connected, not seperate. In that, he is completely enough.
As for thinking and understanding, I agree it has its useful place. But don't you think the "love" you talk about is more experiential and possibly transcends the thinking mind?
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
True understanding is just an experiential. Conventionally, what is called understanding is not what I mean. Not just thinking. So, yes, but if we can make this distinction between understandings. When it becomes the master instead of the servant is when thinking becomes the problem.
Thinking without love is cold and uncaring. Love without thinking is babbling gibberish. I feel a balance needs to be struck between the two and if both are not developed together one spoils the other.
turbosamvara 2 years ago
Now this becomes an even subtler conversation. What is the nature of true understanding and love? Does any definition suffice? Maybe the only way to get close is only by seeing what it is not? By perceiving our ignorance, do we then come to understanding?
Is there inwardly an even deeper nature than we are presently aware that can inform our thinking nature, understanding and love? In which, no developement is necessary, but automatic and organic?
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
Understanding and love seem to be emergent properties of human behavior. This is the old joke of the woman getting chopped and half and the philosopher. Someone asks how the trick is done and the philosopher says, "Well, you see, the magician doesn't really chop the woman in half."
You cannot know a thing by knowing what it is not. It can help you in other ways, but not to find truth.
turbosamvara 2 years ago
A grain of sand does nothing to hold up a mountain.
Electrons and things like that have no weight, next I'll here things don't weigh anything either.
turbosamvara 2 years ago
Without each particular grain of sand, the mountain would not be there. Each grain added to the other IS the mountain.
In the context of what I was trying to say, it is called a metaphor, an analogy between that piece of sand and an individual as an integral part of humanity (the mountain). I was not speaking scientifically.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
J. Krishnamuti might say something like:
No, wait. The now contains all time. If that's a fact - a fact, not a theory, not some kind of speculative conclusion - that all time is contained in the now, this is the future, this is the present. There is no movement towards or for. There is no movement. Movement implies time, right? So there is no change. Change becomes idiotic. Then I am what I am: I am greedy, and I say yes.
turbosamvara 2 years ago
Do not underestimate the grain of sand. It has its part in holding up the mountain. Dislodge the right grain of sand and the whole mountain tumbles down. Do not underestimate the tiny spark either. It is the beginning of a forest fire. In the deepest recess of our being we are all connected. No separation. A sea of mankind. The suffering of another is our suffering, the joy of another is our joy. A change in the whole worlds circumstance can only happen with the individual first.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
I know and agree, but it is a lot easier to break down a mountain then to create a new mountain from sand. I'm not saying do nothing because it is a almost impossible task. I'm just bring it back to reality.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
It seems an impossible task when you think you have to change other people. But if you can really see that we are all connected, then a change in ourselves automatically creates change in others effortlessly. If we can just see that the larger picture of humanity includes us, we realize the whole picture changes when we change. All it takes is one. You. Or me. It doesn't matter. We are not seperate.That is reality. We have been taught to be small by society, but that is a lie. We are infinite.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
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zonybenvid 1 year ago
If the individual is indivisable from society, then is it not all of society that changes at once? Can an individual change first, and there after change society? If so then does that not imply a delay in transmission, that there is a separation between the individual and society? If there is no separation then there is no individual, and if there is a separation then can the individual ever affect more then just the individual. Can the fragment ever be the whole?
zonybenvid 1 year ago
@zonybenvid Yes, the individual is pretty much an illusion, and as such all of society changes at once with the individual. Once an individual changes, there is nothing else to do. Any action upon the world by the individual will be informed by that change. That change will require it and the action will be automatic. But do not look so much to effect change yourself, rather become choiclessly aware of who you are in all ugliness and beauty, and that awareness is what effects real change.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHereNow If I am looking to change, that implies an act of heroism, and I think that is a main reason in why someone would want to change society, and desire to. But as you said the change is choiceless, it's not a list of reasons you may struggle to agree with, because it's not really choice once you are aware.
zonybenvid 1 year ago
@zonybenvid It seems to me "heroism" implies ego. One naturally looks for change when they are suffering. But when one sees the suffering of humanity, and that his own suffering is part of that, a sense of responsiblity and compassion arise along with that desire for change. In this compassion, one automatically starts to listen, to examine, to become aware of his own suffering and its causes. No heroism, just choiceless change.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
Change yourself and the World will chage instantly!!!!!
kekvirag1 2 years ago 30
If only that were true. We are, but only one grain of sand in the ocean. Take one of us out and it makes no difference.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
But we (as an individuals) are the ocean too. Change yourself, transform your consciousness and the World around you will change isntantly!!!
kekvirag1 2 years ago 20
Yes I actually agree with you, but lets face it. 85% of the people breathing right now are to ignorant and lazy to educate themselves into this sort of position. You be able to speak to 10,000 people, but only one will listen. I'm just speaking the true which is a lot more difficult then just changing attitude.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
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To believe in nothing is to say you know for a fact that what you say is truth, yet you nor I actually do know. This is why we can only contemplate and theorize to take away most bias and error. Science in itself isn't set in stone.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
I agree with you there. But I am not talking about a beleif IN nothing. What I have been talking about is the possiblity of having no belief at all. Being free of beliefs, images, concepts, completely.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
I see what you mean, but this will never become reality. We are all conditioned into some concept wether it be up and down, or Heaven and Hell. Colors we see or feelings we experience. Love is nothing more then chemicals in the brain giving you a high for 6 months, but why do people last their whole life instead of finding another partners.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
Yes, conditioning happens. I'm not gonna stop liking chocolate icecream once in a while instead of vanilla. But to live without the beliefs, concepts, and images that seperate us from each other and cause inner and outer conflict and suffering, I think IS possible!
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
And it is this that creates a order in life of which we can see what is really truth and what is really false. From which we can see what is freedom and what is not. I however would never want such a world as you do to each their own. I prefer unity amongst diversity. A sense of identity and history that makes us all unique and special. To make us all one brand is make us cattle.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
Yet interestingly, it is this very sense of identity, history, uniqueness, and specialness that everyone fights to keep, and kills to protect that is sending humanity to it's grave and taking half the planet with it.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
Yes indeed for we are simple creatures that are easy to deceive and manipulate. What you must understand is that their will never be peace on earth especially with people like this guy and other world leaders who push to corrupt our souls hiding under a peaceful and charming front. Like I said I push for unity amongst diversity, but at the same time know it won't happen on this physical plain. I then chose to at least point people in the right direction, but ultimately it's up to them.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
Does he ask if the content of our consciousness can end? Does he imply that there's a different point of view than the one society presents us from the moment we're born?
wateraarde 2 years ago
seems to me the answer to both questions would be "yes"
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
The African sayiing, "It will take a village to rise a child", perhaps, it could answer J.Krisnamurthi the role of soceity in the person's life...
Harikrishnalove 2 years ago
Just joshing mates... I love this man!
Aonexia 2 years ago
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To 'Allah' be the praise and the wonderful things of this world.
God is Great and Mighty 'Allah' be 'Allah'!
'Allah' is the Sword to smiten all that is blasphemous to Him. There is only Allah... not man...................
Learning comes from Allah....... not man!
Aonexia 2 years ago
hahahahahahahahahah, thanks a lot. I may not have learned from allah but have certainly learned about human conditioning from you. :D
yogeshwaryogeshwaryo 2 years ago
the first step is freeing your mind of literal understandings of religious texts
DSowns1111 2 years ago 2
it's so much easier to blame our actions and consequences to a higher unproven power, than to admit that most world problems are caused by us, we are the sickness in our society. It will take us thousands of years to purge this out of us,
redzmaja 2 years ago
Yes all problems are created by us man, but a higher power does exist.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
seems to me no higher power, nor lower power exists. That is just another conditioned, constructed image of the thinking mind. And if there were a higher and lower power, where is the demarcation or dividing line, and who makes the decision as to which is which?
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
Or is it conditioning to think other wise. Think about it now society is moving towards a dyeing/dumbing down of spiritual awareness. We are catered by whats physical.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
It is not conditioning to not think or believe something. It is conditioning to believe anything at all. What is spiritual awareness anyway? Ask 100 different people you will get 100 different answers based on their ideological and societal conditioning. They are just words, concepts, images, things one has been taught stored in memory, dead. Nothing fresh, living , vital, nothing that touches the true infinite nature of being. If you say there is a higher power, you already box it in.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
Your first 2 sentences contradict each other. To not believe in something is to condition yourself as well as limit yourself to the physical world or the world we can sense(closing the box). To believe in a higher power(opens the box) and allows for a much more complex situation to unfold.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
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Of course people from different backgrounds have different ways to explain spirituality, because we are limited to what we experience in life and perceive it as that. We will never learn all the truth in this world and others, but that doesn't mean you should give up to what we already know. What you see as words is the physical part of the substance, but there is more to "just words" you have to look for it.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
No contradiction at all. ie. If I never heard about Santa Claus I am not conditioned to believe in him. No brain space for that program is used for there is no program, no conditioning. Where as a belief in something takes up brain space, memory, and energy to activate it and protect it. I would say believing in a higher power is still delegating yourself to the realm of limited thoughts and concepts (box). In no belief, there is no box to open or close. Here I am free, no limitation at all.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
However "brain space" is used. You see you need to used space to actually say Santa Claus doesn't exist and so on. In a realm of non belief you are stuck with what society knows and perceives as truth. So in fact by not thinking outside the box you limit yourself to a small spectrum of what is known or believed to be known as truth.
You see in order to create new truths you need to create concepts and beliefs no matter the dullness of it.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
I don't say Santa Claus exists or not exists. I've never even heard of him in the example. Non-conditioned is not another form of condtioning. I am not creating a box to think inside or outside. I don't create belief in what society knows and perceives either. Again, here I am free, no limitiation.
OnlyHereNow 2 years ago
You see for people to be what you are describing is to be literally no one. To have never as much as seen another human being. This would be truly free, but do you really want to be a hermit with no color, no up or down, no right or left etc..
In reality you have heard of a Santa and chose not to believe, but that takes space. Also your brain is a muscle and like all muscles if you don't us it it will deteriorate.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
yes, the power from within all of us. the same power that is kept repressed by this society...
shadowgames824 2 years ago
No I'm talking about a foreign power. The power that created us as a being.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
Love this cat! one of the brilliant loving thinkers and spot on truth seeker, like Bertrand Russell,, Tim Leary, Ram Das,George Carlin, George Harrison, John Lennon, Bill Hicks, Rimbaud, The Anti-deluvian poets, Dylan, Marx Bros. King, Buddah, Neil Young,RamaKrisna, Sandoz Lab, Owsley III, Zeus, Thor , Lincoln, Jung, and the many more WISE & brilliant humans that have lived and died and created the myths that are trying to WAKE US UP with WISDOM & LOVE from this self destructive hatred
sum29try 2 years ago 4
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This Guy is perfect for people who cant think for them selfs
coldtoke 2 years ago
The fact is tard that these are just words of wisdom, ya know that stuff you get from THINKING and LEARNING(I know i'm getting technical but bare with me now.) he is just stateing what he has learned not dictating what a person should think. if you want something like that look to organized religions.
Also next time you have a thought, just let it go.
LordPenguin7485 2 years ago
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I thought that was Obama?
zentonil 2 years ago
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Coldtoke is correct if you take the contrapositive of the context.
"For people who can think for themselves, this guy is not perfect ."
Krishnamurti would be a person who might honestly admit this.
piatt83 2 years ago
A great sage, one of my inspirations
WiseFlow28 2 years ago 7
Our problem is that we cannot accept what others think about life.look at these comments! we are complaining because we think that and someone thinks that.If people like the way they think about religion,society,governements etc...let it be!
ukraina95 3 years ago 3
Our realities are self-shaped, and not universally true. I can radically alter my life in order to "be the change" that i want to see in the world, and then hope that others are inspired to do the same. Any which way the change must come from within in order to truly be change. If one is immersed in their constructed fantasies to distract them from reality, they will not "be the change." They are busy deluding themselves that everything is fine. This includes immersion in religion.
slfd76 3 years ago 3
i like what u say here... i believe it to be true as well for everything we experience is internalized and internalized in different ways by different ppl... i believe u gotta be what u want the world to be... i was tryin to figure out this dudes name for so long DOPE VID
leobdope 2 years ago 2
Have you ever thought about Jesus as a metaphor?
The bible is not and cannot be a history book... So if one accepts that there are inconsistencies, inaccuracies, political editings, etc. in the bible... it raises the question, what meaning does it contain for our modern world?
Perhaps bible-readers could accept that readers (of anything) edit and rewrite what they read in their own minds to serve their own realities, anyway.
slfd76 3 years ago 2
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Jesus would not care because he was high on the spiritual path that he could make anything manifest into matter. With the father anything is possible. He was trying to get people to be like him. We are so conditioned by society that we automatically think of obstacles and lack when our true nature is abundance. But we must first start with what krishnamurti is talking about in this video!
One must fast from the world! -Jesus
Guakatimo 3 years ago
Jesus is made up pal. Sorry you can't be free from that idea.
gavbag1234 3 years ago 7
Jesus realized and manifested the "Christ" Consciousness in him; the same Christ Consciousness that aniamtes you and me and everything else in the infinite sea of the universe. We don't have to believe this because we read it in a book or heard it from a sermon, we can perceive it from the subtle being of our souls. The ultimate observer behind our thoughts.
quantistica 3 years ago 2
Yours is a primitive religious believe.
That is to say you idea of jesus comes from not knowing what consciousness is.
Perhaps you shouldn't be coming out with half baked ideas that you've simply attached the word "Jesus" to in some attempt to appeal to a divine principal.
Start to look for divinty in the world and in your consciousness and refrain from simply making it up.
Christ consciousness?
........Christ.
gavbag1234 3 years ago
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To Me that is correct ..........to me This guy just says what i know when im 3 yrs old. then used it to make money
coldtoke 2 years ago
Sure ...He is made up... for where ? from our own inablity to understand our own Xsitance sorry for the spelling ......but to keep with the logic or of absence is to be the same as the persistence of our desire to Know ...... that is imposible
coldtoke 2 years ago
Alll any GOD is; is the sum total of those that believe it
coldtoke 2 years ago
alright, shut up already
deprosar 2 years ago 3
who's forcing you to listen?
e1e1ven 2 years ago
no one....i can't remember what my comment was about-i think it was towards someone....not krishnamurti-i highly respect him.
deprosar 2 years ago
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he is ugly and cosby :)))))
SuleymanCakir64 3 years ago
If you tell one of the greats like jesus or buddha that there is going to be a recession he would probably say "who cares". Worry about the recession within.
Guakatimo 3 years ago
Because they don't/didn't have kids to raise, you need money to buy food, clothing, shelter, send your kids to college/university. Enlightenment in the sense that most gurus have shown us cannot be reached in the type of society we live in. A lot of these people are very intelligent, well worded and speak loads of wisdom, but not EVERYTHING they say works for everyone and shouldn't because as individuals we all choose a different path.
therealspaghetti 3 years ago
thats why we gotta change society
SilentBud420 3 years ago
Unfortunately there's too much at stake for the rich for this society to ever change. And people like myself have grown up adopting the traits and traditions our families have set and taught us to have a dramatic change. It's a part of us. Not to say I don't have love and compassion for others or I'm not willing to make subtle changes to better my being. But to make a massive change that would affect society is out of my hands, it would need to be a collective effort from all of us.
therealspaghetti 3 years ago
yes we all must relize, i think it will happen as we run out of oil mabey natural disaster if we dont stop wars and destroying the planet, so we can either wait for the enevitable, or make the change for the better
SilentBud420 3 years ago
I agree.
therealspaghetti 3 years ago
We can not change society, this only leads to delusion. We can only change ourselves and thus we change the world. Like Gandhi and many others have shown: Be the Change you want to See.
quantistica 3 years ago
What krishnamurti is trying to say is people worry about wars, politics, celebrities on t.v,etc.... What about you! The answer is in you. We give our power to the outer when we complain about it. In reality there is no society. There is no divisions, countries, religions, races, etc.... It's all in our belief!
Guakatimo 3 years ago 2
yes!! This perception of "reality" is the prison of the mind. We believe what our senses tell us, and so we disbelieve in the underlying Reality. The Reality of Consciousness.
The good news is . . .
The world-cage, which appears so solid, is in fact barely even here. Only perception builds it around you. You can choose a different perception.
SilentBud420 3 years ago
i agree with him. I always believed that if the world had 1 billion people instead of 6 we wouldnt have to create such a corporate society. we created rich and poor we created money.
think of it in ancient times people just searched for food and created basic societies. that's all we need instead of all this technology and commerce and industialization. we wouldnt need all this if we were a tiny population on earth. and if we were this small everyone would have what they need hence no wars
PakistanKnight 3 years ago
Oh come on. Live it, you are on the computer PakistanKnight, if you believed that with all your heart, you would not be on the computer.
dylanskriloff 3 years ago
Can people speak with each other instead of at each other?
greenalphabet 3 years ago
you ppl are ignorants, krishnamurti it's one of the most wise persons and also he worked in himself, his internal crisis and he is concious that he is god, we all are god, just that we can't see it because we are so distracted by everytnhing, we pay attention to everything but ourselfs, that's why our society it's fucked up, if everyone could pay attention to themselfs spiritually, this society would be really different in a possitive way of course
Gabrielx22 4 years ago
I didn't create the society, the crisis is only there if you don't want to conform to society.
dan020350 4 years ago
EXPERIENTIAL is a good word
what is said is helpful
knewdorn 4 years ago
He is addressing a predominantly western audience that's why we indians fail to understand him. What he's putting across is very simple really!
floydianlapse 4 years ago
IF what he is saying is very simple why do you fail to undrestand him chico
selfscienz 4 years ago
he meant that indians fail to understand him, not him personally.
omarafrica 4 years ago
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I exist. My Lord exist. My search for His glimmer, my search for His grandeur is never ending. I am moving unto Him, moving along in a never ending path. The search for the Great by the little is called mysticism. The fundamental point of spirituality depends on this mysticism, and when this mysticism, this outward existence, coincides with the inner spirit of mysticism - the goal is reached. Unit becomes Cosmic - and for that - and for that attainment of this - we have come to the world.
gunapie 4 years ago
Tere is Iching in classics of chine. When the code is
used,he is Pervading (Peace).I think that this is a duty when he is alive. Moreover ,there is Centre Confirming in another code. It shows Inner Truth.
If a selflessness it,and sincere,correct road is defended hard,the person can be corresponding to heaven road low of nature.I think these to teach the method concretely like the present age and to exist.
SEIGOEMURAMET 4 years ago
im being a school teacher b/c of this man
dallasgurl1989 4 years ago 3
traducir!!!
please!!!!
cecilof 4 years ago
Logic itself is merely just the function of the Ego within the conscious mind which is devising systems of investigation and interpretation. And this Ego itself which is within the conscious and subconscious, is but the smallest portion of the entire entity. A component of one phenomenon can never give meaning to the entire phenomenon, a page of a book cannot give meaning to an entire book, let alone the macrocosm itself. The problem is that this Ego is often identified as the full entity.
Amirmourad 4 years ago
I enjoy reading what you have to say here Amirmourad, you seem very intelligent for one so young. It's refreshing to see sensible dialogue taking place here. My conversations elsewhere were hijacked by a born again christian who refused to acknowledge anyone's view but his own. Take care and keep going. very warmly, Paul.
artmanack 4 years ago
Knowledge of any form is paralyzed in the midst of trying to give clarity to that which is soundless, boundless, colorless, tasteless, the Energy of energy and the Cause of causes which resides at the core of every unit of consciousness, for as per E=mc*squared, indeed is all one energy manifesting itself in a million different ways. Knowledge implies being bounded by the faculty of logic, for Truth is a phenomenon which is EXPERIENTIAL.
Amirmourad 4 years ago
The crisis is within ourselves.....Can the content of our consciousness end?
YAWEHoutthere 4 years ago
''Can the content end''....just them words, the deepest revolution for man kind.
theboy01 4 years ago
First time I read Krishnamurti. It was some book i found in the library that was written (spoken) by him. I was struck. The words were so honest and spoke of the world in way I had never heard before. I don't know if I really understand what he means. But I know me life wouldn't have been the same if I hadn't read it..
jockejocke80 4 years ago
I enjoyed reading your sentiment here. I remember the first time I became aware of him was after George Harrison died. VH1 was honoring him by devoting the whole day to interviews with him and one of them was with Krishnamurti. I saw his face and I was actually frightened! So very serious. And I only saw it for a second! I pushed it out of my mind and forgot about it until a few yrs later. I picked him up off of a bookshelf and was blown away. I felt the same way as you.
fireplug111 4 years ago
I know that it doesn't matter if I move on and forget about this guy. I will always be affected by him.
fireplug111 4 years ago
George Harrison interview Krishnamurti! Would love to have seen it. Can't see K liking the Beatles or the whole celebrity guru thing as K once said that he would like to see the Marharishi's balance sheets.
fadsandfancies 4 years ago
i think George Harrison interviewed that A.G. Krishnamurti; it was not Jiddu K.
joaotodomundo 4 years ago
say his name often to your friends and family, not for fame for anyone, but just and only just to get the words heard more and more
joejordanmz 4 years ago
dont try to explain krishnamurti, if a person is open to listening, they will
joejordanmz 4 years ago
i agree. I picked up his books because someone mentioned his name in the passing, and I am glad I did.
yogikanna 4 years ago
he spoke against systems but hes teachings were systems
riteyedea 5 years ago
I dont agree
Chequerboardmusic 5 years ago
For more such inspirational grounding check out Eckhart Tolle
aratalp 5 years ago
a great analyst and non-thinker!
achamthavilthan 5 years ago
Would you think, that you can sound so much more wizer when you talk in questions? Is it not true that Buddha was very wize? Did Buddha not talk only in questions? Is it not the fact of the matter that this makes us wizer in the practical and percepival scence, but asking question is the only way we can also gain wisdom?
yadsik 5 years ago
When you watch without a distraccion, in the insight or the outside, you just watch, something extraordinary happens.
krisnaji 5 years ago