The kata are done differently because many people over the last century have deviated and created their own organizations and styles. I'm sure somewhere someone still does it this way but honestly there are probably as many versions of this kata as there are people teaching it.
yes I remember doing this kata 3 years ago. Now Im 12 and Im a black belt. But why is this different? Its just to make it easier for beginners in the "modern day".
@archuna11 yeah.. i got my black belt when i was 12 too.. now i´m 25, 4th Dan.. but i stopped training because i had a spine problem 5 years ago..
well.. this is the real one.. i guess the modern katas are kinda different.. less difficult. even Bassai Dai is quite different than the original one. i learned the original one.. from a japanese guy who came to my city train with us and give us some advices and all.. it´s a strong kata.. you need a strong will to do it perfectly.. and nowadays. meh
BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
Yes, it is. Naihanchi is the root of the Shotokan Tekki katas. You can see Okinawan and Shorin influence in many Shotokan katas. Patsai/Passai became Bassai dai; Kushanku became Shotokan's Kankudai; Seisan is the origin of Shotokan's Hangetsu. As someone who came to Shotokan from Okinawan Isshin-ryu, I see lots of connections and influence. The Naihanchi I learned in Isshin-ryu is remarkably similar to Shotokan's Tekki Shodan, the kata performed here.
No need to be such a patronizing asshole, I was merely trying to engage in discussion from one Karateka to another, but I guess humility is not something your master taught you.
That's pretty much what I was saying. Perhaps you're the one confused. I meant that in doing kata fast they shortcut technique and detract from the bunkai.
Then enlighten me as to what I'm missing? I've seen a lot of people do fast, flashy Kata that looks impressive but in doing so it detracts from any pragmatic application for Bunkai. All the old footage I've seen of Kata looks very obtuse, but in those days, they didn't hold huge competitions and compete against each other to see whose kata was better.
@CancolideStudio I'm not sure if you got your answer, but yes, that would be the 5 "kihon" katas: Heian shodan, heian nidan, heian sandan, heian yondan and heian godan. never forget the basics, they will be most of what you have left when you get much older and they are very high percentage techniques. Good luck.
I trained in Shin Mei Shorin-Ryu Karate (Matsumura Seito), and learned this kata as 'Naihanchi Ichi'. The (rough) translation give was 'Iron Horse One' or 'Sideways Fighting One'. It was one of the katas required to know to earn sankyu. It's a very fundamental kata that has multiple bunkai, even though it's short.
I know white belts with better form than this. Truly a pathetic piece. This is not Funakoshi and certainly not 1924, this is video footage, not even a transfer from old silent stock, a poor fake.
FARCE- In no way shape or form is this Gichin Funikoshi. Footage is too new and enhanced to look old, besides, this is not the style he taught at all. As a long time student of Tsutomo Ohshima I will verify that. What person would try to create such a farce and for what stupid reason?
@mrthebillman You sir are wrong. i know Nahinchi Shodan and its nothing like this. I know because I know Nahanchi Shodan and studied it. This is Tekki Shodan!
Sometimes I get a false sense from the readings of other masters that were around at Funakoshi's time... that his skills were sub par. But I find no evidence to support this. In fact one can really tell the intention of many of the kata that Now a lot of people have a problem understanding through watching these old films of Osensi. And his skills (for his age) look just fine.
In all seriousness, I wonder if master Funakoshi was part of the inspiration and influence for Yoda. Both had small stature that belied their skill and power.
Funazoshi's movements were simple and direct. The modern variants of Karate are all very flowery. There is nothing wrong with being flowery and complex, but there is also nothing wrong with being simple and direct. Funakoshi's Karate is infinitely easier to learn. I have learned the Taikyoku, Heian, Bassai, Kwanku, and this one just from his book! No nonsense stuff. It's super! It's great seeing his video here!
Shotokan karate has evolved since then, it seems, but it wouldn't be possible without him. Lots of respect to Gichin Funakoshi - father of Shotokan. Ossu.
all this bickering about lowers stances means harder training for god sake whilst training karate if u do not feel pain in you legs after a while of training you aren't doing it right lower stances provide more power behind your strike think about it what does a dog do before it strikes... down it goes then BANG! these stances are all influenced by animals
lol dont worry, my sensei has compared me and my fellow students to dogs before. he called the higher belts German Sheppards and pit bulls and other cool dogs. Me, a white belt at the time, was a poodle...
Funakoshi got most of his training under Bushi Matsumura (Hohan Soken's Great Great Uncle) in Okinawa, he was also a school teacher, went he took Karate to Japan, he 'tammed' it to be able to teach it in the school system. But I'm sure he taught others some of the Budo teachings he learned.
Maybe they mean because Funakoshi made the stances of shotokan deeper and longer than that of other karate. But the reason behind that was to acquire more intensity to the training, and power power to the strikes. Speed power, its a matter of preferance
@bushidoartss master ,you must be the only one who can comment and judge master funokoshi and kata. master what is your style ?i hope it is not karate .otherwise it would be a disgress
@nymphetaminearka i have trained shotokan 10 years i am so upset i lost my time for fake..i was kid and could not understund martial arts style is bulshit.everybody should find own style and how to survive..at the moment nothing good then mexud juijutsu vs muah thai..all toher style just fake
@bushidoartss master ,you must be the only one who can comment and judge master funokoshi and kata. master what is your style ?i hope it is not karate .otherwise it would be a disgrace
@bushidoartss master ,you must be the only one who can comment and judge master Funokoshi and kata. master what is your style ?i hope it is not karate .otherwise it would be a disgrace
A slightly better way of training is to be taught by a master. Just watching one might be fascinating, but not very helpful in your own training. As my Sensei says, "do as I say, not as I do" :)
What do you have against Gichin Funakoshi? I'm seeing you dissing him all over the place. He did a lot for karate, so whats the problem? Get a life, and stop trying to destroy a no longer living beings legacy by way of the internet. Hahahahaha
That doesn't make sense. Lower stances = harder training, he was also a huge fan of makiwara boards, which were EXTREMELY hard training. He got funding because his combination of the 2 main karate systems in okinawa were Japan's best bet against boxers back when the westerners were matching their martial arts against eastern styles.
My God! Listen to the fanciful stories that people use to rationalize their ignorance!Funakoshi didn't belive in sparring. Only controlled sparring, because the strikes were too "deadly". Anyone can hurt anyone if he's standing stock stil, even a two year old can hurt a grown man. BUT with a body that is fluid and moving, that is a different story! This story about "western boxers" is a myth made up so that people will think that Funakoshi's blending of styles was legitimate. Wake up!
You are wrong, the way he performs the kata is very similiar to how several Okinawan Karate styles i've seen practice Naihanchi when it comes to moving their upper bodies. Also Funakoshi Sensei has a whole chapter on free style sparring in one of his books, he was not against sparring at all. Though i can't comment on his funding, i have heard of many Karateka vs. Western Boxer matches durring this time. Also he did advocate Makiwara trainning which is considerd a hard form of trainning
Yes, lower stances means harder training, you're saying that thousands of years of southern kung fu tradition (they were big on having lower stances, cept wing chun) is ignorant? It helps to develop strong legs, and any good shotokan dojo knows to teach the student to fight more upright.
Funakoshi Precept of Karate #17: Beginners must master low stance and posture; natural body positions are for the advanced.
That's why his stances are shallow here.
BTW, I study a different style of karate than Shotokan, so I'm not on his jock. I just give credit where it's due. Maybe he wasn't a killa fighter like Oyama, but he did a lot for the advancement of the art. Only people who have reached his level in their chosen art can criticize.
@MsDumnut Good point, you may be right. Even today, modern exercise uses squatting stances similar to kiba dachi and shiko dachi (what they call plie squats) for stabilizing and working the lower body. Nothing ne under the sun, really. Thanks for responding.
If this is him, than this is a remarcable video. Shotokan Karate has changed my life and has helped me through so many things. A big bow before the memory of Gichin Funakoshi.
A true warrior is not defined by a colored object which only holds his or her gee together.
Funakoshi himself stated something to the effect of, "When a pacisonar obtains a black belt, NO ONE should know he possesses it."
Those who take pride in possessing a belt which has the appearance of black, did not truely learn what 70% of Karate-Do is all about. They did not even learn the other 30% of what Karate-Do is about very well... which is their Kata.
Why do you fight in the presence of such a video?. Arent all martial arts brethren to each other?...Without one their is no unity. Martial arts is about unifying everybody under a set of codes and rules. There are only few of us left, we must all stick together regardless of style or rank.
Heian kata are the first five kata learnt in trditional shotokan (after kihon), heian means peacful mind. tekki kata are learnt after heian kata at various stages, tekki shodan (first level) being the first, at 3rd kyu. This kata is Tekki shodan(Tek=Iron ki=horse) hence the kibadatchi used. Tekki and heian are not the same thing.
dude, youre hella mixed up. i think youre confusing heian and PINAN kata as being the same. Tekki kata correspond to Naifanchi kata and there are only 3
Actually in Japan it is known as Naihanchi, but in western Shotokan Karate it is known as Tekki Shodan, So both names for it are correct, depending on where your from..
It is also amazing to see how little has changed. This kata appears in many schools of shorin-ryu as Naifanchi of uncertain origins pre-dating Choki Motobu.
It appears that many people have noticed that Master Funakoshi's lower body stays rigid and immobile while his upper body moves a lot. I think that is how he intended it; a master I studied under explained that a good stance should be "well rooted" to the earth, and your tanden should be lowered and centered, making you virtually unmoveable. I trust both masters' judgment, since they know more than i do.
i strongly object to the negative comment .. without funakoshi and shotokai , we would NOT have modern day karate as it is practised today .. this original version of shotokai tekki shodan is executed with the right quantity of power and kime '' have some respect oss
It is great to see, I agree. But with respect, gaugustcrane, where is the evidence that Funakoshi did not know how to use Naihanchi/Tekki? Don't forget he was in his 50s at the time of this video and had been doing karate since the 1870s. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
My apologies, tybaltstone. Master Funakoshi taught Tekki as a punch-kick-block kata against multiple opponents who arrive with one attack and wait to be KOed. I respect this conclusion BUT maintain that the real applications for Naihanchin lie in a grappling/restraining system in a 1-on-1 situation in constant contact. Something Funakoshi never taught; so I believe he wasn't aware of the true bunkai for this kata.
No apologies necessary :-) Early JKA Shotokan was very much like this - and got sent round the world. Master Harada said that after the war, students didn't like to train with Funakoshi because he just repeated katas - no bunkai. But his earliest book shows some excellent bunkai! When he trained for himself, on Okinawa, it's likely he knew the 'correct' bunkai. The fact is - we don't know. You can't know unless you trained with him. So much is lost :-(
I know the book you cite by the way - but it is just another book, with theories, no matter how excellent it is. Karate did change from its Chinese origins, for better and worse, I'm sure. But it always changes. What about the 'original original' Dai Po Chin, it may have been called something else, and got developed again and again. It's all good stuff. Sorry - it's all the Funakoshi bashing on YouTube, and you're being respectful too (which I responded to).
Thanks for your positive remarks. And I agree with you; we'll never know the "truth" about kata and bunkai; all we can is try to research as much as possible and to gleen the better teachings from the likes of old masters like funakoshi and miyagi as well as adding sound interpretations from more modern karate-ka. What style do you practise, tybaltstone?
You won't be surprised to hear I started in, and am currently, Shotokan. I spent a while doing Gosoku Ryu under Soke Kubota, and have also had flings with Goju and Kyokushinkai. So much different, but underneath - the same! I do believe Shotokan's explanations were simplified to be 'exported', to put it crudely. How about yourself old chap?
I study/teach Ko-do Ryu karate. I also studied Shotokan for a while in London. I made the switch in 1993 as I was disappointed with many bunkai from shotokan and other 'traditional' styles and found the ko-do ryu / zen shorin do clubs' applications more logical. Where do you train?
I do think Shotokan lost its way a bit - there's a generation of sensei who think bunkai is 'new-fangled rubbish', but it's changing, and its looking back to before the JKA, before the pioneering Gigo Funakoshi. I'm Shotokan and we do very rich and variable bunkai now, but in 1985, when I started, there was very little, and some of it was... yeah, a bit silly. I think we're overtaking the comments here (my fault!). Thanks, and *rei*
Kanasawa says in his kata book that funakoshi renamed naihanchi and called it tekki. Its okinawan origin is shuri te which is the area from which shotokan style originates. That is funakoshi. I believe that the kata is originally a hard style kung fu "kata" and is very old and originates from china
It's not kung fu.Shotokan is a combination of the two most ancient styles of Okinawa-te.Gichin Funakoshi studied both in his youth, then combined them later in his life.
Okinawa te was an indigenous style of karate(empty hand) which was unique to that island,but which many believe came from china,and preceeding that,India.The katas are Gichin's inventions.Obviously he would have included moves that he learned from his masters,but the katas shown above are unique to Shotokan.
Some small stuff,we are taught to pause at the first movement, for example. But the leg movements, for the record, are not ashi barai,they are evading an ashi barai. Its not so much a sweep as a pulling back of the attacked limb.
Mm. It's a very sharp movement all right, but there's definitely a pause there. It's a little difficult to watch with the interferance at the top. Empi means flying swallow - isn't that nice? ^^
man! i can't believe how easily he does the leg sweeps (ashi barai). he would send us flying. this is by no means criticism of of the father of our art but isn't there too much upper body movement? we are taught otherwise.
Yeah,there is a lot of upper body,but thats just vigour.Hes performing the kata as if he were being attacked,so you would generally flex more.Its like kumitae,broken down.Its fascinating watching the man who INVENTED the martial art i study. I cant wait to show my sensei this vid.^^
This is the Shotokan Kata Tekki Shodan. Gichin Funakoshi Sensei was the founder of the Shotokan style. The name was taken from his penn name Shoto, and kan meaning way. They also have a Nihanchi in Isshin Ryu, two completely different Kata.
hi all i agree with the comment that tradition is very important throughout your martial arts lifetime, it might look crap but it sure as shit has got bunkai.
This is the Naihanchi Shodan Kata that we practise in Shorin-Ryu . Too much near as the original Okinawa kata .
In my opinion , Master Funakoshi didn't "improve" this katas . He only has "synthesize" the forms for introduce the art in Japan and other places with different culture .
Very often kata practise is to stretch our performance beyond what is required so that in actual applications you have excess abilities. So doing a longer lower stance in Kata is not wrong as long as you understand it is not meant to be applied that way.
wow the master at work .. I am new to karate and would never contemplate criticising a master but have stances improved since his time? for example my sensei always stresses on keeping low and moving only with your hips
Improved "in what way" is the right question. For good looks in a kata competition...sure! For understanding the kata's principles and using it to save your life..I doubt it. I do think you should listen to your sense though.
If you look at Master Funakoshi's 20 Precepts, you will find that low body positioning is for beginners... after you have advanced enough that the stances are second nature to you, you will be able to assume the more natural positions.
The kata are done differently because many people over the last century have deviated and created their own organizations and styles. I'm sure somewhere someone still does it this way but honestly there are probably as many versions of this kata as there are people teaching it.
Ballowall 3 weeks ago
I do Shorin Ryu. Nice to see that Naihanchi Shodan is done the same today as in OSensei's day!
TAKAHASHIGRAY 2 months ago
yes I remember doing this kata 3 years ago. Now Im 12 and Im a black belt. But why is this different? Its just to make it easier for beginners in the "modern day".
archuna11 2 months ago
@archuna11 yeah.. i got my black belt when i was 12 too.. now i´m 25, 4th Dan.. but i stopped training because i had a spine problem 5 years ago..
well.. this is the real one.. i guess the modern katas are kinda different.. less difficult. even Bassai Dai is quite different than the original one. i learned the original one.. from a japanese guy who came to my city train with us and give us some advices and all.. it´s a strong kata.. you need a strong will to do it perfectly.. and nowadays. meh
Panducho 2 months ago
@archuna11 You are 12 and have the first dan?! This can´t be original Karate! DD:
alufolieish 2 months ago
@alufolieish Yes. In Japan, many Karateka have shodan by age 12.
OSSU.
**BOW**
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BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
pomminsu 1 month ago
TheWolfjr 3 months ago
Why are those katas done differently today?
026nemanja 3 months ago
@026nemanja they arent different done 'today'. they are different done in the usa.
alufolieish 2 months ago
Thank you for posting this video.
scotthosier 5 months ago
Is this Kata related to Shorin Ryus Naihanchi kata?
jtolson66 6 months ago
Yes, it is. Naihanchi is the root of the Shotokan Tekki katas. You can see Okinawan and Shorin influence in many Shotokan katas. Patsai/Passai became Bassai dai; Kushanku became Shotokan's Kankudai; Seisan is the origin of Shotokan's Hangetsu. As someone who came to Shotokan from Okinawan Isshin-ryu, I see lots of connections and influence. The Naihanchi I learned in Isshin-ryu is remarkably similar to Shotokan's Tekki Shodan, the kata performed here.
mallardgreen 6 months ago
only an asshole could criticize funakoshi...
gratisbullone 6 months ago
@sour11b
No need to be such a patronizing asshole, I was merely trying to engage in discussion from one Karateka to another, but I guess humility is not something your master taught you.
Woolfrey 7 months ago
@sour11b
That's pretty much what I was saying. Perhaps you're the one confused. I meant that in doing kata fast they shortcut technique and detract from the bunkai.
Woolfrey 7 months ago
@sour11b
Then enlighten me as to what I'm missing? I've seen a lot of people do fast, flashy Kata that looks impressive but in doing so it detracts from any pragmatic application for Bunkai. All the old footage I've seen of Kata looks very obtuse, but in those days, they didn't hold huge competitions and compete against each other to see whose kata was better.
Woolfrey 7 months ago
@sour11b
That's because everyone now does Kata for show, not practicality.
Woolfrey 7 months ago
god, what a shame about the quality, i really wanna see funakoshi in action!
OMFGDmanrules 7 months ago
are u sure thats gichin?
soulreapersk8 8 months ago
the thing i hate about Shotokan karate is that it is too focused on Kata's rather then auctual free style fighting-which makes the student too stiff
curtisjones400 8 months ago
that videos cames from israel shotokan website.
avi30341 8 months ago
can white belts study this move? o.O
CancolideStudio 9 months ago
@CancolideStudio Yes, but you do not forget the 5 heian.
Comunidadviolinistas 9 months ago
@Comunidadviolinistas by heian, what do you mean?, the 5 kihon kata's?
CancolideStudio 9 months ago
@CancolideStudio I'm not sure if you got your answer, but yes, that would be the 5 "kihon" katas: Heian shodan, heian nidan, heian sandan, heian yondan and heian godan. never forget the basics, they will be most of what you have left when you get much older and they are very high percentage techniques. Good luck.
genious4real 8 months ago
/watch?v=H4Y9pLABX2Q&feature=related 9 dan video is 1970 greece master
Kalouomania1 9 months ago
I trained in Shin Mei Shorin-Ryu Karate (Matsumura Seito), and learned this kata as 'Naihanchi Ichi'. The (rough) translation give was 'Iron Horse One' or 'Sideways Fighting One'. It was one of the katas required to know to earn sankyu. It's a very fundamental kata that has multiple bunkai, even though it's short.
Gmrxtrme 10 months ago
I know white belts with better form than this. Truly a pathetic piece. This is not Funakoshi and certainly not 1924, this is video footage, not even a transfer from old silent stock, a poor fake.
JimCaronArtist 1 year ago
FARCE- In no way shape or form is this Gichin Funikoshi. Footage is too new and enhanced to look old, besides, this is not the style he taught at all. As a long time student of Tsutomo Ohshima I will verify that. What person would try to create such a farce and for what stupid reason?
JimCaronArtist 1 year ago
This is Naihanchi Shodan
mrthebillman 1 year ago
@mrthebillman You sir are wrong. i know Nahinchi Shodan and its nothing like this. I know because I know Nahanchi Shodan and studied it. This is Tekki Shodan!
shotojojo1986 1 year ago
Sometimes I get a false sense from the readings of other masters that were around at Funakoshi's time... that his skills were sub par. But I find no evidence to support this. In fact one can really tell the intention of many of the kata that Now a lot of people have a problem understanding through watching these old films of Osensi. And his skills (for his age) look just fine.
jadewillow 1 year ago
In all seriousness, I wonder if master Funakoshi was part of the inspiration and influence for Yoda. Both had small stature that belied their skill and power.
prettyboy1970 1 year ago
Funazoshi's movements were simple and direct. The modern variants of Karate are all very flowery. There is nothing wrong with being flowery and complex, but there is also nothing wrong with being simple and direct. Funakoshi's Karate is infinitely easier to learn. I have learned the Taikyoku, Heian, Bassai, Kwanku, and this one just from his book! No nonsense stuff. It's super! It's great seeing his video here!
kozushi 1 year ago
Movie is fake
HKG3mdl 1 year ago
Shotokan karate has evolved since then, it seems, but it wouldn't be possible without him. Lots of respect to Gichin Funakoshi - father of Shotokan. Ossu.
orel1996 1 year ago
This is awesome
MrSillysleepy 1 year ago
Karate ni sente naschi:-D
wojtek0711 1 year ago
e muito bom veer o Pai do karatê moderno nessas imaguem..
um grande exeplo de mestre e ser humano..
wellingtinho1989 1 year ago
This is great vintage video of a master. Thanks for positing!
mminer58 1 year ago
the great master -i am always grateful for the things i learned ,i still practice today. awesome vid .peace.
interstellarwonder 1 year ago
Oss
FlipUltraHD 1 year ago
sensei funakoshi is the founder of shotokan, he is cool, i study shotokan and i like the style alot
integra0guy 1 year ago 6
this is naihanchi :P
luvinly2k7 1 year ago
@luvinly2k7 yes it is but funakoshi called it Tekki for his japanese students.
sixyears 1 year ago
Convenient we cant see his face
nigelnik 2 years ago
What do you mean ??
karatefella 2 years ago
huuuh see his stance his legs are stones
tchlubna 2 years ago
the most beautiful thing ive ever seen
MrKodokan 2 years ago 2
Resembles shiko-dachi.
wateronthesmoke 2 years ago
OSU
MasOyama10dan 2 years ago 5
Nai Han Chi Sho
TheColoradoan 2 years ago
u r right. Shotokan people call them tekki
spankyou42 2 years ago
funakoshi it was the sensei of okamoto
okamoto is the sensei of my teacher
333marios 2 years ago
all this bickering about lowers stances means harder training for god sake whilst training karate if u do not feel pain in you legs after a while of training you aren't doing it right lower stances provide more power behind your strike think about it what does a dog do before it strikes... down it goes then BANG! these stances are all influenced by animals
DarthVader553 2 years ago
my cat wiggles its butt
Knight192 2 years ago 2
Good point. But i would have used a Tiger as an example as thats animal that represents Shotokan. ;)
wapcake 2 years ago
yeh i was a bit boggled when i made this post lol dog was the first thing that popped into my head
DarthVader553 2 years ago
lol dont worry, my sensei has compared me and my fellow students to dogs before. he called the higher belts German Sheppards and pit bulls and other cool dogs. Me, a white belt at the time, was a poodle...
wapcake 2 years ago
Funakoshi got most of his training under Bushi Matsumura (Hohan Soken's Great Great Uncle) in Okinawa, he was also a school teacher, went he took Karate to Japan, he 'tammed' it to be able to teach it in the school system. But I'm sure he taught others some of the Budo teachings he learned.
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
when he took Karate to Japan (forgive my spelling LOL)
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
It's wrong . Funakoshi got most of his training with Yasutsune Azato and Anko Itosu . Most with Azato .
FiasaPower 2 years ago
Funakoshi was the pioneer of modern day karate, so why tell him to kneel down. actually do you know the name of that stance?
Kelstar1001 2 years ago 3
Wow that its a nami gaeshi.....
riemman2 3 years ago
is this really funakoshi sensei? ... if so ... god damn ... kneel down
XIANYAMA 3 years ago 2
More to the point have you ever done any form of martial art and what?
muffinhead333 3 years ago
when you say he made stances that have nothing to do with fighting what do you mean? Please explain
muffinhead333 3 years ago
Maybe they mean because Funakoshi made the stances of shotokan deeper and longer than that of other karate. But the reason behind that was to acquire more intensity to the training, and power power to the strikes. Speed power, its a matter of preferance
farorin 2 years ago
I was going to tell that to the other guy but yeah your right.
muffinhead333 2 years ago
oss...
oyecarnal 3 years ago
"my teacher made me drill Kata, over and over, until I could barely stand."
-Gichin Funakoshi
stardingo747 3 years ago 41
@stardingo747 thats why funakoshi never was warrior..kata is gymnstic
bushidoartss 1 year ago
@bushidoartss master ,you must be the only one who can comment and judge master funokoshi and kata. master what is your style ?i hope it is not karate .otherwise it would be a disgress
nymphetaminearka 1 year ago
@nymphetaminearka i have trained shotokan 10 years i am so upset i lost my time for fake..i was kid and could not understund martial arts style is bulshit.everybody should find own style and how to survive..at the moment nothing good then mexud juijutsu vs muah thai..all toher style just fake
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@bushidoartss master ,you must be the only one who can comment and judge master funokoshi and kata. master what is your style ?i hope it is not karate .otherwise it would be a disgrace
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@bushidoartss master ,you must be the only one who can comment and judge master Funokoshi and kata. master what is your style ?i hope it is not karate .otherwise it would be a disgrace
nymphetaminearka 1 year ago
5 stars!
gagiandjeo 3 years ago
the best way to train is to be quiet and watch the masters do their magic.
johnnybudo 3 years ago 3
A slightly better way of training is to be taught by a master. Just watching one might be fascinating, but not very helpful in your own training. As my Sensei says, "do as I say, not as I do" :)
Greets to all martial arts/artists
hYdratatiOn 2 years ago
If it wasn't for Gichin Funakoshi your precious Mas Oyama would just be some fat ass slob
tigermix83 3 years ago
Whining on youtube about who trained under whom and when is rather unkarateka-like, yet interesting to follow.
pelsebuubi 3 years ago 2
Interesting? Not really... I'm finding it rather tiresome... I'm getting to the point where all this constant bickering is just going over my head.
farorin 3 years ago
What do you have against Gichin Funakoshi? I'm seeing you dissing him all over the place. He did a lot for karate, so whats the problem? Get a life, and stop trying to destroy a no longer living beings legacy by way of the internet. Hahahahaha
farorin 3 years ago 2
My teachers teachers teachers teacher was in the same class as G.F. In Okinawan Shuri Te, this is the first Naihanchi Kata. Very old.
AcademyOfJustice 3 years ago
That doesn't make sense. Lower stances = harder training, he was also a huge fan of makiwara boards, which were EXTREMELY hard training. He got funding because his combination of the 2 main karate systems in okinawa were Japan's best bet against boxers back when the westerners were matching their martial arts against eastern styles.
MartialArts4Ever 3 years ago 3
My God! Listen to the fanciful stories that people use to rationalize their ignorance!Funakoshi didn't belive in sparring. Only controlled sparring, because the strikes were too "deadly". Anyone can hurt anyone if he's standing stock stil, even a two year old can hurt a grown man. BUT with a body that is fluid and moving, that is a different story! This story about "western boxers" is a myth made up so that people will think that Funakoshi's blending of styles was legitimate. Wake up!
frankvanqueens 3 years ago
You are wrong, the way he performs the kata is very similiar to how several Okinawan Karate styles i've seen practice Naihanchi when it comes to moving their upper bodies. Also Funakoshi Sensei has a whole chapter on free style sparring in one of his books, he was not against sparring at all. Though i can't comment on his funding, i have heard of many Karateka vs. Western Boxer matches durring this time. Also he did advocate Makiwara trainning which is considerd a hard form of trainning
karatecloutier77 3 years ago
lower stances doesn't mean harder training. That's the voice of dogmatic ignorance.
makiwara is less hard than shin and forearm training.
As an individual who was assigned to keep karate alive, it doesn't surprise me that certain "unrealistic" practices were adopted.
Jayk1985 3 years ago
Yes, lower stances means harder training, you're saying that thousands of years of southern kung fu tradition (they were big on having lower stances, cept wing chun) is ignorant? It helps to develop strong legs, and any good shotokan dojo knows to teach the student to fight more upright.
MartialArts4Ever 3 years ago
Well said.
Funakoshi Precept of Karate #17: Beginners must master low stance and posture; natural body positions are for the advanced.
That's why his stances are shallow here.
BTW, I study a different style of karate than Shotokan, so I'm not on his jock. I just give credit where it's due. Maybe he wasn't a killa fighter like Oyama, but he did a lot for the advancement of the art. Only people who have reached his level in their chosen art can criticize.
deek77 3 years ago 31
Well put, Deek.
ManOfSteel607 3 years ago
Do you practice Kyokushin?
BadBlueBoy213 2 years ago
No, I practice Shorin-Ken Karate. I'm with the DNBK under Tesshin Hamada.
deek77 2 years ago
@deek77 Great comment. People forget that Oyama Kancho studied Shotokan Karate-Do.
cumanagoto 1 year ago
@cumanagoto Yep, very true. Oyama also studied Goju with Chojun Miyagi, and was highly ranked by him.
deek77 1 year ago
@deek77 what style do you study?
karatefightr15 1 year ago
@karatefightr15 Karatê-do Shotokan/Shotokai
HKG3mdl 1 year ago
@deek77 well said deek77 he took it worldwide and founded WSKF so yeah he did a lot for the sport and the lifestyle of karate!!
nightcrawler1971 1 year ago
@deek77 im guessing that comes from the shaolin essence of shorin ryu...
MsDumnut 8 months ago
@MsDumnut Good point, you may be right. Even today, modern exercise uses squatting stances similar to kiba dachi and shiko dachi (what they call plie squats) for stabilizing and working the lower body. Nothing ne under the sun, really. Thanks for responding.
deek77 8 months ago
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Andris717 6 months ago
@Andris717 If you say so...just quoting the man. Thanks.
deek77 6 months ago
i have got a 9 kyu. gichin gunakoshi is my guru ! he is the best !
DarkRobin01 3 years ago
Whoa....., you must be 80-100 years old now!!!!
MartialArts4Ever 3 years ago
i don't speak english, but i speak polish. Nieznam Funakoshi'ego osobiście ale znam ego nauki
DarkRobin01 3 years ago
He said, i dont know him personally, but i know his teachings.
BadBlueBoy213 2 years ago
If this is him, than this is a remarcable video. Shotokan Karate has changed my life and has helped me through so many things. A big bow before the memory of Gichin Funakoshi.
glavorez 3 years ago
A true warrior is not defined by a colored object which only holds his or her gee together.
Funakoshi himself stated something to the effect of, "When a pacisonar obtains a black belt, NO ONE should know he possesses it."
Those who take pride in possessing a belt which has the appearance of black, did not truely learn what 70% of Karate-Do is all about. They did not even learn the other 30% of what Karate-Do is about very well... which is their Kata.
Pikolow 3 years ago 4
i know this kata as koshiki naihanchin, but with two mai geri. That must've been added later. This is such great footage damn!
Dustkicker009 3 years ago 2
Why do you fight in the presence of such a video?. Arent all martial arts brethren to each other?...Without one their is no unity. Martial arts is about unifying everybody under a set of codes and rules. There are only few of us left, we must all stick together regardless of style or rank.
brasshandmartialarts 3 years ago 5
oss
PKmelhordomundo 3 years ago
Crazy sweeps
shoemoodoshaloo 3 years ago
Straszne gówno.
jedenzwielu 3 years ago
I am totally satisfied. I know this kata as Tekki shodan and I don't know any other name. No problemo. :-)
Thx for posting!! Gr8 video!
hafka77 3 years ago
i won the Okamotos cup in 1996 with that KATA! yeah! shotokan ftw (Hellas)
frontor 3 years ago
and after heian godon, comes tekki shodan! And i think i MIGHT know a BIT more of that than u! cuz im taking 1st dan in this style to christmas!
Itachiduden 3 years ago
Heian kata are the first five kata learnt in trditional shotokan (after kihon), heian means peacful mind. tekki kata are learnt after heian kata at various stages, tekki shodan (first level) being the first, at 3rd kyu. This kata is Tekki shodan(Tek=Iron ki=horse) hence the kibadatchi used. Tekki and heian are not the same thing.
jastles1 3 years ago 2
teki sho dan
ak47skunk 3 years ago
Naihanchi = Tekki
Pinan = Heian
You = Confused
maofas 3 years ago 6
I Am Aware Of That, I Was Mixed Up, I Admitted My Mistake, And Am Done With This
gamereaper888 3 years ago
dude, youre hella mixed up. i think youre confusing heian and PINAN kata as being the same. Tekki kata correspond to Naifanchi kata and there are only 3
jippzmcghee 4 years ago 5
You Might Be Right, I Know Alot Of Kata And I Get Names Mixed Up, You Know What I Mean lol
Why Can't we Call The Kata By The Same Damn Name
GOD, It's So Confusing lol
gamereaper888 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This Isn't Heian Shodan (AKA Tekki Shodan)
This Is NAIHANCHI SHODAN
gamereaper888 4 years ago
No, this isn't Heian Shodan. This is Tekki Shodan, which follows Heian Godan.
yourfan06 4 years ago 2
Actually in Japan it is known as Naihanchi, but in western Shotokan Karate it is known as Tekki Shodan, So both names for it are correct, depending on where your from..
My favourite Kata this one, apart from Empi.
Curtissan 4 years ago
dude, in Shotokan karate its BIG difference between heian shodan and tekki shodan! maybe they have other names on the katas in different styles!
Itachiduden 3 years ago 2
somehow it's changed a lot and still very little! i love his kiba-dachi!!! just wonderful to look at!
osu!
Maryangel24 4 years ago
It is also amazing to see how little has changed. This kata appears in many schools of shorin-ryu as Naifanchi of uncertain origins pre-dating Choki Motobu.
zentokukai 4 years ago
... power :)
skowrooon 4 years ago
it really is amazing seeing how much it has changed. for example, now in tekki shodan we swing our leg up rather than do a hiza geri.
Coocey 4 years ago
It appears that many people have noticed that Master Funakoshi's lower body stays rigid and immobile while his upper body moves a lot. I think that is how he intended it; a master I studied under explained that a good stance should be "well rooted" to the earth, and your tanden should be lowered and centered, making you virtually unmoveable. I trust both masters' judgment, since they know more than i do.
midknightshade 4 years ago 4
i strongly object to the negative comment .. without funakoshi and shotokai , we would NOT have modern day karate as it is practised today .. this original version of shotokai tekki shodan is executed with the right quantity of power and kime '' have some respect oss
joetheshmo1968 4 years ago 4
Great to see the grandfather of karate performing a keystone kata. What a shame he didn't know how to use it properly.
Naihanchin was a Chinese form (Dai Po Chin)and was originally a Naha-te form which was rejected and then accepted as a shuri form.
It's a grappling kata as explained by Nathan Johnson and Ko-do Ryu.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
It is great to see, I agree. But with respect, gaugustcrane, where is the evidence that Funakoshi did not know how to use Naihanchi/Tekki? Don't forget he was in his 50s at the time of this video and had been doing karate since the 1870s. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
tybaltstone 4 years ago
My apologies, tybaltstone. Master Funakoshi taught Tekki as a punch-kick-block kata against multiple opponents who arrive with one attack and wait to be KOed. I respect this conclusion BUT maintain that the real applications for Naihanchin lie in a grappling/restraining system in a 1-on-1 situation in constant contact. Something Funakoshi never taught; so I believe he wasn't aware of the true bunkai for this kata.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
No apologies necessary :-) Early JKA Shotokan was very much like this - and got sent round the world. Master Harada said that after the war, students didn't like to train with Funakoshi because he just repeated katas - no bunkai. But his earliest book shows some excellent bunkai! When he trained for himself, on Okinawa, it's likely he knew the 'correct' bunkai. The fact is - we don't know. You can't know unless you trained with him. So much is lost :-(
tybaltstone 4 years ago
I know the book you cite by the way - but it is just another book, with theories, no matter how excellent it is. Karate did change from its Chinese origins, for better and worse, I'm sure. But it always changes. What about the 'original original' Dai Po Chin, it may have been called something else, and got developed again and again. It's all good stuff. Sorry - it's all the Funakoshi bashing on YouTube, and you're being respectful too (which I responded to).
tybaltstone 4 years ago
Thanks for your positive remarks. And I agree with you; we'll never know the "truth" about kata and bunkai; all we can is try to research as much as possible and to gleen the better teachings from the likes of old masters like funakoshi and miyagi as well as adding sound interpretations from more modern karate-ka. What style do you practise, tybaltstone?
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
You won't be surprised to hear I started in, and am currently, Shotokan. I spent a while doing Gosoku Ryu under Soke Kubota, and have also had flings with Goju and Kyokushinkai. So much different, but underneath - the same! I do believe Shotokan's explanations were simplified to be 'exported', to put it crudely. How about yourself old chap?
tybaltstone 4 years ago
I study/teach Ko-do Ryu karate. I also studied Shotokan for a while in London. I made the switch in 1993 as I was disappointed with many bunkai from shotokan and other 'traditional' styles and found the ko-do ryu / zen shorin do clubs' applications more logical. Where do you train?
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
I do think Shotokan lost its way a bit - there's a generation of sensei who think bunkai is 'new-fangled rubbish', but it's changing, and its looking back to before the JKA, before the pioneering Gigo Funakoshi. I'm Shotokan and we do very rich and variable bunkai now, but in 1985, when I started, there was very little, and some of it was... yeah, a bit silly. I think we're overtaking the comments here (my fault!). Thanks, and *rei*
tybaltstone 4 years ago
Cool video! Rest in peace, great master!
kappalahej 4 years ago
Kanasawa says in his kata book that funakoshi renamed naihanchi and called it tekki. Its okinawan origin is shuri te which is the area from which shotokan style originates. That is funakoshi. I believe that the kata is originally a hard style kung fu "kata" and is very old and originates from china
mingzoo 4 years ago
It's not kung fu.Shotokan is a combination of the two most ancient styles of Okinawa-te.Gichin Funakoshi studied both in his youth, then combined them later in his life.
Okinawa te was an indigenous style of karate(empty hand) which was unique to that island,but which many believe came from china,and preceeding that,India.The katas are Gichin's inventions.Obviously he would have included moves that he learned from his masters,but the katas shown above are unique to Shotokan.
SansCogito 4 years ago
But its way different from todays kata isnt it? ^^
jugaslt 4 years ago
what differences do you see?
1URESAM 4 years ago
Some small stuff,we are taught to pause at the first movement, for example. But the leg movements, for the record, are not ashi barai,they are evading an ashi barai. Its not so much a sweep as a pulling back of the attacked limb.
SansCogito 4 years ago
yeah. it's also missing the slow arm motion to the side preceding the forearm strike to the side or enpi.
1URESAM 4 years ago
Mm. It's a very sharp movement all right, but there's definitely a pause there. It's a little difficult to watch with the interferance at the top. Empi means flying swallow - isn't that nice? ^^
SansCogito 4 years ago
don't insult the master!!!!
xxsuperstarsxx 4 years ago
man! i can't believe how easily he does the leg sweeps (ashi barai). he would send us flying. this is by no means criticism of of the father of our art but isn't there too much upper body movement? we are taught otherwise.
1URESAM 4 years ago
Yeah,there is a lot of upper body,but thats just vigour.Hes performing the kata as if he were being attacked,so you would generally flex more.Its like kumitae,broken down.Its fascinating watching the man who INVENTED the martial art i study. I cant wait to show my sensei this vid.^^
SansCogito 4 years ago
Gichin Funakoshi was great!!!
he was, he is, n will continue being an ispiration for all the karatecas!!!
felipejocosi 4 years ago
Has anyone heard it called
Natchuan?
or chogi 1st Dan?
I learned this form in Korean styles.
Funakoshi isnt the creator? is this form okinawan so then Chinese influence?
Does anyone know its origin past this?
sleepinglionmartial 4 years ago
This is the Shotokan Kata Tekki Shodan. Gichin Funakoshi Sensei was the founder of the Shotokan style. The name was taken from his penn name Shoto, and kan meaning way. They also have a Nihanchi in Isshin Ryu, two completely different Kata.
chimchim22 4 years ago
Hid pen name Shoto meaning 'pines waving'. As they often did in the winds of Okinawa.
Normanskie 4 years ago
Actually, "kan" or "han" means house/home, "do" means way.
hYdratatiOn 2 years ago
You are right. Thank you.
chimchim22 2 years ago
I am humbled watching this video of our style's greatest contributor.
freebird1127 4 years ago
it might look crap but it certainly has bunkai
ozza1011 4 years ago
hi all i agree with the comment that tradition is very important throughout your martial arts lifetime, it might look crap but it sure as shit has got bunkai.
ozza1011 4 years ago
sorry the post by "floorplayer" was from me. I am using my room-mates copmputer right now,and that'swhat was on it.
chimchim22 4 years ago
This is the Naihanchi Shodan Kata that we practise in Shorin-Ryu . Too much near as the original Okinawa kata .
In my opinion , Master Funakoshi didn't "improve" this katas . He only has "synthesize" the forms for introduce the art in Japan and other places with different culture .
Sorry for my horrible english ... OSS !
FiasaPower 4 years ago
Very often kata practise is to stretch our performance beyond what is required so that in actual applications you have excess abilities. So doing a longer lower stance in Kata is not wrong as long as you understand it is not meant to be applied that way.
Pecherin72 4 years ago
I have this DVD. very nice.
good to have records of such historical footage.
WadoAJ 4 years ago
wow the master at work .. I am new to karate and would never contemplate criticising a master but have stances improved since his time? for example my sensei always stresses on keeping low and moving only with your hips
mico2020 4 years ago
Improved "in what way" is the right question. For good looks in a kata competition...sure! For understanding the kata's principles and using it to save your life..I doubt it. I do think you should listen to your sense though.
emotionumist 4 years ago
If you look at Master Funakoshi's 20 Precepts, you will find that low body positioning is for beginners... after you have advanced enough that the stances are second nature to you, you will be able to assume the more natural positions.
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hienzgitzvelvet 4 years ago
seriously what the crap is with all of these types of posts?
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chimchim22 4 years ago