(2/12) Battlefield I The Battle of Berlin Episode 12 (GDH)

[ETsonggalaxy]

Gee, stop and think about it. How many countries did it take to stop the Nazi empire -6 /7? IT was really the Russians who went in first -and wanted revenge or to get even. They wanted to show Hitler that they had equal power? If Hitler or Japan had the Atom bomb at that time, they would have use it! Thank God Americans had it first! The weapons today are so powerful that nothing would be left of human life or nature. SELF DESTRUCTION OR PEACE? Which shall it be?

[ETsonggalaxy]

You can take the Korean war as another example. A camera man from north Korea said this -" I had to cover myself with blankets, because the American firepower was so great." This makes alot of sense from a camera man who wanted to record history. Well said camera man! My dad did NOT want to really talke about the war since it was so bloody and too much suffering. But.. because i was his son, he took the time to tell me as i wanted to know the facts! It was history to me and the world.

[marquemadness]

is there any summary on all these videos, i just have to answer one question about this and my teachers making me watch the WHOLE series smh -.-

[TheMillioncloud]

If Youtube takes these videos down, they are clearly against education, for that is crime against education!!!!

[DraGorian777]

why that millions of men died in ww2, then what happened to the surplus of women

?

[ozvulcan]

Now if I were Eisenhower during 1945. I would have sent a message to the Soviets saying to hell with the Yalta accords agreement, take not one step further into Germany, or we continue this war against you. While the Germans committed horrible crimes during the Second World War, the Western Allies can never be forgiven for so cowardly handing over Eastern Europe to the Soviet Horde.

[dmacid]

@ozvulcan Soviet army was unstoppable in 1945. They would've pushed the allies right into the Atlantic Ocean. This would've led to the American led nuclear anihilation of Europe and as soon as Russians would've gotten nukes you know where they would've gone to.

[Clonetrooper1139]

Stalin thinks he actually fooled Eisenhower, but he didn't. Eisenhower did not see the point in sacrificing tens of thousands of Allied soldiers to take Berlin only to have to hand it over to the Russians anyway in accordance with the Yalta Accords agreement. Ike figured, let them bleed for Berlin.

[ETsonggalaxy]

The Russians knew that they had to stop the Nazis. If not, the Germans would be back to attack Russia. However, the Russians did not treated the Polish with respect - i was so suprised that they let the Polish people starve to death as i spoke to a Polish man.

[ETsonggalaxy]

Amazing war films. The camera man must have been so brave to be in such dangerous fighting.  I enjoy these documentary videos. I am so glad that history like this can be in seen in live action. And to think that my father was in the bloodly battle in Okinawa. All his friends died out of 200 plus men in his platoon. He was only 21 seeing so many deaths and killings

[nodinitiative]

@ETsonggalaxy some people think that being reporters or cameramen are useless because they dont do any fighting. But hell, without these people, no one today would know they even existed or even cared about the consequences of war. People today are more horrified of war because they now can see its true face and not just in those glorifying tales of war or war songs.

[ETsonggalaxy]

@nodinitiative I respect your views and or opinions. However, my father was in the war against Japan. And i have him on recordings. His tone of voice was not kidding. He saw many killings and sufferings for 8 months at 21 age. I should upload it one day. Of course, many people would have doubt or saying some smart ass remarks. They would be guessing only caz they were NEVER there. I can tell when FAKE videos are uploaded. There are much proof that things really took place. Thx!

[nodinitiative]

@ETsonggalaxy Of course, my grandparents suffered under Japanese occupation in Brunei. The burial ground of my grandparents is an example of how my country suffered. Their burial ground are miles from the nearest burial ground of my post war family members.

My biggest regret is that i never took official record of my grandparents experience when they were still able to communicate properly.

[ETsonggalaxy]

@nodinitiative I appreciate your feedback. I think you have a good head. I am so thankful that i do have history - our family tree is even on the world enternet. We are the TADIFA''s this is our original family spelling. Photos of my grandpa who is actually a native of Malay island. My grandmother was 100% German. My mother had Hispanic heritage and American Indian ( NOT of India.) I sincerely feel for your REGRET. I think you can gather more of your family history thrurelatives alive.

[ETsonggalaxy]

@nodinitiative Thanks for your second feedback. You speak of gay rights and other matters . This is not to mock no-one. Yes, God loves everyone -it is our sin that he does not accept. Bibical writtings make it clear that men who lay with men will NOT enter the kingdom of God. A city named Soldem and Gommora was destroyed by God because wrong sexual matches It is clear to me that woman was made for man. And if God made any thing better than a woman for ME as a man - he sure took it with him.

[ETsonggalaxy]

@nodinitiative You sound as if i insulted people or gays. I said nothing but what is written in the bible. For now, we are governed by man. In the end, there will be no escape for you or me, or anyone. Judgement day will happen and the book of works will be open . I never spoke of religion. i spoke of God's written word! People may speak of their own words - but is it in alignment with the holy word. I ll say it again- God loves us but not our sin. You cannot change the truth.

[nodinitiative]

@ETsonggalaxy i agree wit you on all points, but we have to face the reality of youtube ppl, youtube n internet commentators consist of ppl largely ignorant of the Will of God. But hopefully, bcoz we r discussing this on an educational and well objective doc video, there would not be any trolls bashing on us.

Anyway, God's written word is our religion, religion is in the belief of God. So in a sense, you were speaking about religion. There is no shame in believing in God or having a religion.

[HoustonGD]

@gnarbotz what comment was that?

[unclemort1960]

@gnarbotz i`ve heard of the blue division they also fought in russia i think i know spain also had a `foreign legion`-any connection between the two units?

[unclemort1960]

some of the last soldiers fighting the russians in berlin were french.-why the hell were they fighting for the country that had overrun them 5 years before? madness/ignorance/stupidity?

[lukebccb]

By 1944 to the end of the war hitler and Stalin had reversed positions in that in 1941 Stalin ordered the Red Army to "stand and fight" against hopeless odds and thus leading millions of Red Army soldiers to die or be captured for no good military reasons. By 1944 it was hitler's turn for the "fight at all costs" against hopeless odds and thus leading millions of German soldiers to die or be captured for no good military reasons.

[Matto623]

Hitler makes from Russian soldiers unstoppable kings of war , way more powerfull than allies

[faokim]

Ich bin nicht ein Berliner

[nicesinging1]

Why was no assassination attempt ever made against Stalin? Even Hitler with all his power went through numerous assassination attempts. Yet, no Russian or Russian general ever attempted to assassinate Stalin, even after disaster of 1941 in a land of 200 million people?

[tjhoenecke]

@nicesinging1 What's that line from the Usual Suspects? "How do you shoot the Devil in back -- what if you miss?" ;)

[lukebccb]

Thanx to scum stalin 100,000 Russian soldiers needlessly lost their lives in the battle for Berlin for nothing.

[lukebccb]

hitler/nazis = SUBHUMAN VERMIN SCUM.

[jumpthewestwagon]

@lukebccb you just show your shallow mind by commenting on historical videos here. just go smoke weed and talk shit with your fellow gay students in a no name town somewhere in the bible belt. fucking fat useless pricks.

[amaniacwithacar]

Even with the amour redepolyed the germans could not have stopped the russian offensive. it was simply to large and to powerful to be stopped even if the germans concentrated all their armies against it. at best they could have slowed it down.

[gaikokujinNor]

Ah, Long live the glorious motherland Soviet, Long live Our beloved Stalin!

[ITILII]

@gaikokujinNor yes Stalin a bigger idiot and murderer than Hitler. He decapitated his own army because of his megalomania and paranoia, ignored all the warning signs on a German invasion, and killed alot more people than Hilter. But when he was fighting on the Allied side with Britain and USA, he was good old Uncle Joe. Just goes to show that war and politics are run by crooks, murderers, incompetents and lunatics

[gaikokujinNor]

@ITILII Wow, you stupid, arrogant american. you really know nothing..

I won't even bother to reply to you with information.

You americans are really one special bunch of morons.

And FIY, 300.000 where murdered, 600.000 inkl. Gulag you incompetent yankee.

Even ask you bloody US government, they conducted a research on it, (in hope they would discover some evidence that would support their propaganda the last 90 years), and they discovered 300.000-400.00 (ONLY)

[unclemort1960]

@ITILII as george orwell said `we are beating hitler but only at the price of accepting stalin`

[boltergun]

Hitler coudnt end the war. The day the war ended would be his last day due to his war crimes. He prolonged his life by prolonging the war, the soviets had literally had to kick in the door of his bunker to end it. And before his suicide he saw the german people as unworthy weaklings who deserve their fate. The senseless slaughter in Berlin was his last action.

[WTCTribute]

Hitler survived the assassination attempt by God's grace. And I say this because, imagine if it did succeed? Do you REALLY think nothing would have happened? Germany was falling apart on both fronts, and by air war. Killing Hitler would have meant that your most fanatical soldiers, the Waffen SS, would have started a civil war to keep the Nazi's in power. That's effectively 3 fronts (4 if you count Italy), and it would have led to defeat far quicker. The time to assasinate was 1941, not 1944.

[HoustonGD]

@WTCTribute The German plotters had this odd belief that once Hitler was assassinated that the Western Allies would negotiate a separate peace and even perhaps assist Germany. LOL The Western Allies had NO plans for anything, but: "Germany lay down your arms and that is it." Plus Hitler was the Allies new secret weapon with his screw ball ideas.

[silentghost23]

@HoustonGD

The conspirators also wanted to show that there was opposition to what was happening, that not all Germans were Nazis. They knew that even in failure, at least it would show the world that they wanted something different for Germany and in that regard you have to respect them

[villanovakid84]

@WTCTribute Excellent point. The Allies declared unconditional surrender of Germany and I doubt that this declaration would have been voided even if Hitler had been killed in the Wolf's Lair.

[RebelSonBand]

@WTCTribute Yea,but in 41 they loved him....The generals had no problem with the war,as long as it was going well,and no real problem with the corporal....The generals was just as war-horny as Hitler,they carry guild too...

[deirup510]

@WTCTribute I was just reading how Churchill and some others really wanted Hitler to stay in power because he was such a horrible tactician and made so many insane mistakes. If he was assassinated he would be succeeded by much more capable generals that would have done more to prolong the war.

[sjors91]

@WTCTribute hitler actualy survived 42 assasination or murder attempts. i seen it on a documantery and on youtube.

[Gallagherfreak100]

From 00:18 until 00:28, the video is actually showing burning U.S Army vehicles, destroyed during the early phase of the battle, when the Germans were advancing.

[LibertyTreeStudios]

it would be so cool to see what this all looked like and how the were denfening the homeland

[JakeFuyou]

The mistake these documentaries make is that they say the purge of the Red Army by Stalin was a pointless and damaging exercise. But it doesn't say that most of the Red Army officer corp (commissioned and non-commissioned officers) formerly served in the Tsarist Army up until 1917 and the Revolution. Stalin was right to suspect that in the event of a German invasion, some might attempt to launch a coup against the Soviet government, or jump sides to the Nazis (as Soviet General Vlasov did).

[Zyworski]

Germany's last chance in the east was at the Vistula River, but Army Group Vistula had no armor and has run by a nincompoop. All those heavy tanks that were bogged down in the Ardenne would have served better in the east. The last hurrah in the west was blown when they used all their heavy tanks in the mountains and just sucked up fuel and got themselves stuck. then they couldn't coordinate and attack on Bastogne when it should have been a push over.

[HoustonGD]

@Zyworski General Heinrici was not a idiot.

[ObssesedNuker]

@HoustonGD I think he means Himmler.

[Zyworski]

@HoustonGD Army Group Vistula had been put under the command of Heinrich Himmler, he's the nincompoop, I wasn't talking about Gotthard Heinrici. If the war had been run by Generals instead of politicians we would all be eating cabbage.

[HoustonGD]

@Zyworski Okay. Heinrici was commander after Himmler took over

[wingedlightning]

@Zyworski Cabbage is actually quite healthy... in terms of whites subjecting non jews there is absolutely no difference in the nazi or the racist white americans... As an African American I have been treated far better by Germans than by my own white American citizens.

[wingedlightning]

@wingedlightning One need just look at 70% unemployment amongst African Americans & this phawk'd half Kenyan S.O.B. that is a zionist licker to see just how racist America still very much is... actually it's far worst today than it was under a white president in Bush~!

[Zyworski]

@wingedlightning When it comes to the virtues of methylmethioninesulfonium chloride (vitamin U) (cabbage) you're preaching to the choir. Funny your should mention it, I just made a batch of chicken noodle salad with cabbage tonight. I have known about Europe's more progressive thinking for some time. Many performers of the 30's fled to a more accepting Europe to avoid the backwards thinking in the US. To this day there are those with tea infused minds who can't accept a European way of thinking.

[villanovakid84]

@Zyworski You are correct that the scarce armor would have been better served on the Eastern front in 1944/45.Also, Hitler had forces in both Latvia and in the Balkans while the eastern front was quite stretched out.Regardless, the Germans would have been hard pressed to stop the Russians east of the Vistula even if they had redeployed their armor to this front.

[Jramssy]

@Zyworski and they executed those officers

[Zyworski]

@Jramssy Funny that you should bring up the topic of executing generals, I just uncovered a startling fact, the Soviets were in the habit of executing generals like I eat popcorn. check out, Sacrifice of the generals on Google books, they only share random pages and it reads like a dictionary, but I am astounded by how many Soviet generals were executed, before, during, and after the war. I am left with the impression that the loyalty in central Asia was paper thin.

[gettincrazywithit]

@Zyworski They were Russian...they dont give a fuck about human life. Anything to keep the closet homosexuals Stalin, Berria, and Molotov in power.

[Zyworski]

@Jramssy I don't know which officers to which you are referring?

[Zyworski]

@Zyworski Just Google Sacrifice of the generals, it will come right up.

[ranged8ball]

They say that we lost the war.We,the european white people.

But we only lost a battle, and maybe it was needed to loose it, in order for the world to see what we were standing for,and that we were right.

As long as there will be people knowing the TRUTH, and fighting for it, the war will CONTINUE UNTIL WE WIN !

Never surrender,never give up, and if we fall, then, that will just be the place from where we will rise again!

Remember the Defenders of Berlin !

[gopconservative78]

However, the French surrendered as usual

[nololwacan]

Russia was a vast country & had the brunt of hitler's destruction-and naturally had the the will to fight.

[superyerfdog]

You know, it is really disgusting how we argue who did more during World War 2. It doesn't matter. I can almost imagine how disgusted the soldiers of the war would be if they saw how we say things like "MA COUNTRY DID MORE CAUSE MOR PEPOL DIED!1!!1"

[rangerbobcat]

Are there any good strategic or operational level computer wargames on the Battle of Berlin?

[9K58]

let me just put it into prospective:

150-180 divisions on eastern front, and 40-50 on western.

But of course the documentary will never mention it, because it tries to create an image that both eastern and western front equally contributed to the victory.

[HoustonGD]

@9K58 In college I wrote a paper on casualties in World War II. I estimated, and I KNOW it's an estimate, that the USSR inflicted approximately 77% of the casualties on the German military in World War II. I think this view is excepted nowadays more than 25 years ago. So foo on you Professor Ross. LOL

[COLUMBINE1818]

@HoustonGD I took a WWII class at my community college and we gave a huge amount of credit to the Russians, but we didn't spend much time talking about the Eastern Front. That's why I'm going to teach a non-credit course entitled "World War II on the Eastern Front and, thanks to you, i'll be using some of the Battlefield documentaries. Thanks again for posting such amazing material.

[ozeangruen]

@COLUMBINE1818 maybe it is interresting to you that Hitler in his last days was not by Germans but by French, Swedish, Norwegian and even Dutch SS Troops.

33. Waffen-Grenadierdivision of SS "Charlemagne"...

[COLUMBINE1818]

@ozeangruen it is not without a sense of irony.

[ozeangruen]

@COLUMBINE1818 yes thats right !

[megaspencer]

@HoustonGD I believe it.

[unurautare]

today there is a bit more realistic view of ww2 for the general public,still biased for "Allies" ofc...but at least it's not like in the '90s where you would think that USA won ww2 all by itself by what americans were saying or just looking at their TV propaganda.

[whitesox889]

True, but the west destroyed the German Navy and Air Force, and destroyed German industry. You also forget the southern front in Italy.

[quest8899]

@whitesox889 The soviet union practically on there own defeated Germany and there allies they didnt even need help from the US on the west, we should have just stayed and fought in Japan and let the Russians continue to defeat germany after stalingrad, let the british fight the small german forces in italy

[edavismookie25]

@9K58 There probably were more divisions on the eastern front because there were more people. Duh! I'm just saying.

[TR3Y4LI4E]

I think The russians deserved berlin and all germany, because they were the ones who really destryoed the german army. americans just entered the war at the end

[askjiir]

True. And they had lost 23 million people as well.

Far more than all the western allies combined.

[superyerfdog]

@TR3Y4LI4E WOW. JUST WOW.

[Xeonophon]

The only reason Russia lost Afghanistan is because America was supplying the Taliban with weapons and money.

They paid for this with 9/11 though.

[HoustonGD]

Exactly! I knew at the time it was like holding a wolf by the ears.

[edavismookie25]

@Xeonophon No, Russia lost Afghanistan for the same reason that America lost Vietnam. To ignorant and overconfident superpowers never thought that in a million years a "handful" of illiterate and weak people could ever defeat militarily. They were both wrong.

[LuigiSpoletti]

@edavismookie25

No, no. USSR not lost Afganistan. Najibullah regime continied in Afganistan still 3 year after leaving of the Soviet army in 1989 year. And remember Saigon.

[makokun9]

@Xeonophon In the same way Russians provided weapons and trainment to the North Vietnamese?

[cannibalcorpse75]

@Xeonophon afghanistan was revenge for soviet union supplying weapons to the NVA in vietnam. USA did nothing to deserve 9?11. innocent people did NOT deserve that.

[Xeonophon]

@cannibalcorpse75 I said nothing about the USA deserving 9/11. All i said was that the people you supported then attacked you.

[cannibalcorpse75]

@Xeonophon i got you. i know what you're saying. it's because our training and weapons helped bin laden later.i'm just explaining the rationale for our involvement against the soviets.

[brandaoz]

i´m not german or nazi,but if the waffen ss or the wermacht were fighting in afghanistan the talibans(with modern equipement) wouldn´t stand a chance!

[MattTaylor1981]

Thats amusing, beause the Wermacht got its ass handed to it by The Soviet Union, and didn't Afganistation win against the Soviet union... their armys lead by the Taliban?

Lrn2History

[brandaoz]

i just said it for the courage and will to fight ,the determination...besides,the russians were like 4 to 1,no tanks left to fight or diesel to power the machines,so they lost naturally in Berlin,and the USSR lost Afghanistan because CIA helped Taliban with the STINGER missil!

[vikruss]

Soveits did not LOST in Afganst. they pulled out because there was no point to fight in that country. Germans lost, because they were totally destroyed in every battle and sence, but not the soviets in afganst. stop beliving western propaganda. Because soon you will be telling to others, that US pulled out of Afganistan because it's found political solution. ha...ha...but Soviets of couse LOST...

[brandaoz]

the soviets lost air supremacy,with the stinger missil,hundreds of helicopters down,fighters etc...

[archanticipator]

How much helicopters?!

1985-1989 (column)

Mi6 8, 4, 2, 1, 0 (transport)

Mi8 29, 33, 24, 7, 2 (transport+armed)

Mi41 17, 21, 21, 7, 1 (Attack helicopter + low-capacity transport)

[archanticipator]

Mi24, sorry.

[brandaoz]

i don´t get your numbers!

[RazorCell7]

Soviets Lost in Afghanistan trust me.. . leave you're propaganda and you're patriotism else where

it ruins History

[tropickman]

SO have AMericans/British and Canadians!

[RazorCell7]

I'm sorry what? do you see us pulling out yet? NO

wait till we really leave the country before you start talking smack

[tropickman]

Pulling out or not does not determine victory or loss. Gaining your objectives does, and thus far, they have failed on all of them! The Taliban is being reinstated in an authorative role now, and I call that a miserable failure.

[RazorCell7]

Right like we never took Kabul, Kandahar, Mazar-e Sharif, Herat, Jalalabad, Konduz, Ghazni, Balkh, Baghlan, Gardez, Khost, Khanabad,Tashqorghan, Taloqan, Cool urhajo, Pol-e Khomri, Sheberghan, Charikar, Sar-e Pol, Paghman, Samangan, Nawab City, Gereshk, Farakh, Feyzabad, etc.. .

Cause I'm pretty sure Canadia and U.S.A., Britain, Germany all completed there objectives to take those major cities.. . dumbass you have no idea what you're talking about

[tropickman]

O please! It is not about taking cities, which are not defended in the first place. Canada went there to establish a safer society, root out Taliban, and enable those Afghans to live a better life. They have succesfully destroyed what little infrastructure was there, they are about to reinstate Taliban in an authorative rule, and the production of opium has skyrocketed. If you actually look at the objectives, and then compare the reults, you will see a miserable failure!

[RazorCell7]

what are you stuiped? do you even know what the hell we are talking about>? the whole point of this was that fact that we did WAYY better then Russia in Afghanistan and actually yes it does matter about taking cities and getting the population to come to our side

unlike you I've lived in Afghanistan and I am Afghan you have no fucking clue what the hell you're talking about

why don't you tell me what our real objective is and what the outcome of that turned out to be IF you're soo smart

[RazorCell7]

first off all those major cites have been liberated!! that means there is no fighting going on in all those cities nothing! Zip! No Taliban and because of that we are keeping the population safe

all our casualties have not been happening in cities

but in outskirts!¬ I think that we have gotten a safer society for Afghans and trading routes have even been established!! which is better then what the Russians can do!

[tumsabai1]

Not yet we have not, you misinformed idiot !!!!

[Gorkovka79]

@RazorCell7 Lost??? Lost politically but not in military respect. That war by end of 80s proved to be artificial and if soviets had will to continue the final outcome would be ordinary terrorism (night attacks and explosions). But war as such would finally be over.

[LeHuyAnh]

@RazorCell7 Americans (and their pathetic sycophants) are so eager to laugh at the Russians for losing in Afghanistan, yet so eager to excuse themselves for losing in Vietnam.

[RazorCell7]

@LeHuyAnh That is 100% right

[ZUG]

@RazorCell7 No 1 can win Afghanistan 

[vikruss]

you are atterly wrong, soviets pulled out of afgan. the same way american would pull out of Afgan sooner or later. and if us would not give talibans Stingers, because us was so right to protect talibans traditions, ...ha...ha...ha...the soveits would still leave that country anyway like they left all other countries around them latter without any war

[vikruss]

if soveits would do in afganistan everywhere what wermacht was doing in USSR then afganistan would be no more. do not belive west propaganda about cruelty of USSR in afganistan. there was some but for most part nothing like in world war 2

[archanticipator]

If Soviet army was fighting in Afganistan like they fight against Nazis, then Afganistan is not existing today.

According Soviet doctrine, they should not been killed or captured.

By USSR, people of Afganistan should lead to socialism.

There is not any reason for USSR to fight in Afganistan by "Total War" scheme.

[DarkHour404]

archanticatpr, no country could fight in Afghanastan with WW2 tactics. Most of Afgan is large mountains and rough hill/planes with large rocks and cliffs. There is no good resources there so all the gas/food and other supplies would have to come from the country attacking.

Also Germans fought with bravery and did not hide from battle. There are thousands and thousands of Taliban hiding in hidden caves and in civilian populations, its hard to kill the enemy if you dont know where it is.

[Avantime]

The Soviets were attempting at nation building in Afghanistan to create a stable indigenous communist state. Very different from WW2. In this they failed.

If they really had the guts they would massacre every Afghan with nerve gas and nukes and irradiate the whole country. After all they had enough nukes to destroy humanity with a nuclear winter.

[RazorCell7]

@brandaoz I don't know what they teach in Russia but here in the U.S., Canada, Britain, Finland, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Spain, France, Italy, Israel, Egypt, Sweden, Norway, Turkey and everywhere else in the whole damn world! Russia LOST Politically and deferentially Military wise the Soviet Union suffered over 150,000 casualties! and the Coalition in Afghanistan right now! is under 2,000 and we've been there almost as long as you have!

[brandaoz]

@RazorCell7

I understand english,but i don´t know what you are saiyng,i don´t get you!

[anaplastic]

@RazorCell7

Where the fuck Soviets lost 150,000 in Afghanistan? They lost 14,000 dead, and Jihadists there had US + Arab + Pakistani assistance.USA lost 8,000 dead in Iraq without Iraqis having any assistance. USA lost 56,000 dead in Vietnam, that is 4 times more than Soviets in Afghanistan. And believe me, Soviets controlled every road, hill and peak in Afghanistan, while the whole coalition controls a shit there right now.

[LeHuyAnh]

@anaplastic 15 000 dead.

[ZUG]

@brandaoz So why no one caputured afghanistan yet? u just cant 8 thumbs up lol

[HubertWolfen]

@brandaoz yes you're right.;.

[Warsie]

@brandaoz

given the whermacht couldnt cut it against soviet partisans, lol no. Their anti=partisan operations were damned inaccurate and just pissed off more people esp in Belarus.

[brandaoz]

@Warsie I believe that their mental strength would overcome the enemy,specially the waffen-ss.

[Warsie]

@brandaoz

mental strength? both forces you refer are pretty....motivated. Remember the Taliban don't have a formal government to organize and train them, unlike the SS units. Also in some battles some SS units weren't so affective against enemy forces as they were too used to anti-partisan warfare and related stuff

[GrayNeko]

Hey, thanks for uploading this! Outstanding series! My apologies for the low rating, did it by accident! Cheers!

[Astroman1990]

The Soviets could take such losses b/c they have such a large population. Also, the more troops killed during the war meant the less of a threat the soviet people could be to Stalin during the post war era.

[Mopar21277]

45 days from November 1944 to capture the east and then Berlin in the massive offensive...??

[Hansolo60]

It must have been a great battle!

[MicheasTheMighty]

Yeah, I know. That's a tall order. Even if facing an eviscerated Wehrmacht. Stalin was a monstrous and poor leader. He was willing to suffer staggering casualties as long as the Red Army sacked Berlin before the Western democracies could. That had a lot to do with why the Reds arrived at the city before the Yankees and the Brits. Of course there were many other factors, but it is beyond argument that the Soviets were more hardened to receiving more massive of casualties than the other Allies.

[slappy420usa]

@MicheasTheMighty It was decided long before the battle of Berlin what part of Germany would be left to what nation. Eisenhower saw no reason to advance to Berlin, since even if they captured it, they would jsut ahve to hand it over to USSR after the war as per the agreement made between the W.Allies and Stalins Russia, at I believe the Yalta conference, that could be the wrong meeting, not sure, but my point is Stalin was not worried about the Allies reaching Berlin before his armies.

[slappy420usa]

The W.Allies knew full well that the USSR was going to defeat Nazi Germany, with or without them. The Only question was, what would happen to Europe after the war, it was post war concerns, namely the fear of a strong Communist position in W.Europe that took the W.Allies to the shores of Normandy.

[GorterPoss]

@slappy420usa not exactly. The Russians were notorious for massively ineffective offensives; see Winter War, Kharkov, Targul Fromos. One could argue that until Bagration in late June 44', the Allies could not be sure just how long or how tough a slog it would be until Berlin or whether the Russians would ever make it there, and by then, the Allies had already been in Normandy for two weeks.

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@GorterPoss: the Soviets/Russians were very ineffective early on the war period but the beating the German gave them taught them many things along with more capable miltary leadership emerging during the fight and because of what they saw in German "lightning war" they re-adapted Tukhachevsky's "deep battle" discarded after the military purges of the 1930s. The success of re-adapting "deep battle" can be seen when the Red Army steamrolled the Germans in Operation Bagration.