POV Lights MAIN PRESENTATION

[BEASTsatisfaction]

Mira road eh? My family has a property right on the river with a big trailer and a small one behind it. It's directly across the river from saint margrets church. Is there any chance you know what I'm talking about?

[CRFD36]

Here in PEI, most guys run 4-ways while responding. Not sure what the law is on that in PEI. Also, with a letter signed by both our chief and provincial fire marshall, all ff's are able to run one red light. It must me the cigarette lighter plug type and is NOT allowed to be hard wired into the vehicle.

[Waddle5blue]

We have to use blue courtesys

[miraroadvolfire]

I have asked people that have posted here but don't seem to get anythiing..

[miraroadvolfire]

Anyone that has information I would love to see it.

[miraroadvolfire]

Are you saying you guys just started using Lights and Sirens in the past 5 years. If so can you give me a contact that I can talk to about your program you have in place for the use of Lights and Sirens.

It would be good if it is a Cheif or higher up.

Also the Fire service here in Nova Scotia use stats from the States to speak agianst the use

You Canadians are so funny. Ha we use Red/White with sirens.... No accidents for the past 5 years when we started the program.

[gtasalova6969]

You Canadians are so funny. Ha we use Red/White with sirens.... No accidents for the past 5 years when we started the program.

[miraroadvolfire]

Motoemt

Is there any chance of sending me a copy of what you are talking about I would love to have it....

Art

greenlights@live.ca

[motoemt]

Those of you who are trying to say Red lights will open problems and cause problems, Jems the Journal of Emergency Medicine, has published many well thought out studies about it. Comparing hot versus cold ems responses. It was found hot responses with lights and sirens did not cause any increased risk of accidents or motor vehicle collisions.

[Masonhalsey1]

this makes me appreciate my dept's. and all others red light auth's. We can go throught red lights, stop signs, break speed limits, and use sirens

[codyworthington]

Green lights in the UK mean doctors! :D

[TheWhatsup698]

cool

[blueceligts180]

I actually watched the whole video lol, i'm shocked i managed to do that (not saying ur boring or nething i just lose attention fast). But if this is the video your submitted you did a very good job on it imo (in my opinion). Here in NJ we are allowed to run blue or blue and white as much or many as we want and an electric horn but it too is a courtesy light, but NJ residents move most of the time. I wish you the best in getting this passed.

[APR1125]

SO did you guys get the bill passed or what?

[guitarboi2k3]

I'm a medical volunteer in ontario, and i have a small led wigwag (like the red one you have) on my POV and it works great. All the drivers on the road seem to respect and understand what it means, and take the time to let me pass, but as you perfectly said its "a request, not a demand" for the right of way. In my experience it is a great system, and i wish you all the best with your quest to get your province to better integrate volunteers and their safety into the system.

[TractorWorld]

we in NY use blue and u can see them real good!

[firebeast911]

Why cant FFs use red lights and a siren?

[04smallmj]

I think you forgot to mention visibility. Green is actually the most sensitive colour to the eye in daylight and red is the least sensitive. Either way, using hazard lights to respond defies common sense.

[TheMidWestWarriors]

so r u saying tht firefighters shld have to do the speedlimit thts dum sumones live is in danger they shld be able to go fast i mean not 100 or sumthing they shle atleast be able to do 10 to 20 over

[reptile411]

In our area chief officers should not use any lights. All they do is get to a call and sit on there butts so there is no need for them to be in a hurry.

[smooth3315]

@reptile411; maybe where you are, chiefs around here work just as hard as firefighters, mainly because we know where we came from and what it's like

[reptile411]

@smooth3315 I agree completely. The people that use to run the show around here are morons, That dose not mean every department or area is.

[smooth3315]

@reptile411: exactly. I hate guys who do that too. We used to have a Chief who ran like an idiot with his lights and sirens to just stand there and not contribute to the scene. When our Chief Officers respond they jump right in and start helping command, pull hose, help suit up guys with SCBA, traffic control, whatever needs to be done.

[jorgechiu]

In guatemala, gree n is used by traffic police, and red and blue for national police. As a volunteer ff, I use mainly red and clear, but latery i added some blue lights as well, they are better on daylight. Also some cars have blue neon or led as decoration, so your POV has to be very well identified as an emergency unit. Here people dont merge unless the sirene is on, doesent matter how many lights you have. Some volunteers aslo use their car horn as sirene. Can you guys use your horn as well?

[CaptainProtonEIC]

i have complete respect for EMTs and firefighters but i just wanted to say that Canada is just America's hat. Also, when we finally invade Canada, we will teach you how to say ABOUT not aboot or aboat...ABOUT damnit

[comanche64]

Join the club. Maryland is the same way top 5 officers in each company can run a red light. everyone else obey all traffic laws and is not legal to run fourways. I would love for this to be changed but I doubt it will.

[cccspizza]

@comanche64 ouch. here in NC we can use red lights on are POVs i have 3 of them atm 2 in frount and 1 in back

[jot0220]

Of course volunteer firemen need effective warning lights. A volunteer's response to their station is of critical timing. Perhaps some adminstrators in DOT don't understand that someone couse be dying, burnt alive in their house while volunteer firemen are stuck in traffic trying to get to their station. I promise, if one of them was trapped in their burning house, they'd want volunteers to get their as quickly as possible. A fire officer can't single handedly put out a fire or rescue a victim.

[smooth3315]

@jot0220; well said, the sad part is if the average civilian would die in a fire, not a lot of attention would be drawn to it, just how we were slow getting there but if it was the life of a politician or their loved ones, then you'd start to see a change or more attention being directed towards us.

[hewittdj1]

They should just give you guys the same lights as the Chief POV. I'm from Nova Scotia and I have only seen volunteers when they arrive at the station for a call. I say they should get red lights and a siren.

[2000spykiller]

in pa we use a blue light but somtime we do use a siren and we find it very helpfull fyi the blue light means the same thing as a green on. you can also you can make your headlights and break lights flash to.i think what you said you cant pass other cars or or run lights that is way diff then we use in pa but i do think you should be alowed to pass

[64CSAR]

the bad thing about that strobe is that it beans around and back at the driver

[sindreforfaen]

im gonna ride with a disco ball on the top of my head when im riding my bike so when ppl see me they know its a morong coming and might let me pass..dont know why im posting really really boored and lame

[WhiteLeather]

I agree with the red light suggestion ... IF ... you're responding to an emergency. If you can drive a ladder truck, push drugs as a paramedic, operate a pumper, grab a nozzle, etc., surely you can be trained how to drive a POV safely with red light and siren. Have SOPs in place and enforce them. But if you're needed at an emergency scene, don't be sitting at a red light waiting for traffic. The engine doesn't, neither should you.

[coolsax64]

@WhiteLeather We used Green in Oregon for years with good success. Red /Blue lighting should be used only on marked emergency vehicles, Not on Pov's

[smooth3315]

@coolsax64; In Nova Scotia our lighting scheme is red/blue for police and law enforcement vehicles, red/white for ambulances and fire trucks, green is currently designated as command post in NS, purple for funeral processions

[MARTON8371]

Good luck with it my friend from new zeland. in new zealand it is illegal to have any lights or beacons on your privately owned vehicle.

[CaptainProtonEIC]

stop saying "aboot" one day we (USA) will take over Canada and we will teach you how to speak correctly. keep saving lives and keep up the good work

[co19ff]

If I could strictly only use one green light, I just wouldn't have any lights on my car. Half the time I don't use all my blues anyway....

[miraroadvolfire]

never mind it won't let me put my web site address here.

Hate to see someone leave yutube I guess

[miraroadvolfire]

Here is my web site.

[miraroadvolfire]

I wonder how Nova Scotia gets a different answer than other Provinces. Now Quebec is passing a light law allowing their Volunteer Firefighters the use of a light. Now did Nova Scotia do any research or is the old boys club just saying no without providing any information to back what they say.

[miraroadvolfire]

The Transportation Minister sent me an e-mail saying; in consulting with the other Provinces in Canada we feel it would not be a good idea at this time. Right after I received the e-mail I received a second one. The second one was from the Premier of Saskatchewan saying that in consulting with the other Provinces in Canada they were going to allow Volunteer Firefighters in their Province the use of a Red Light and Siren.

[miraroadvolfire]

Also our Fire Service of Nova Scotia will not support the use of the Green Lights. They also will not provide any information of why they won't and I have requested more than once from them and the Fire Marshal's Office. It seems they don't have the respect that was given to them when I was sending all the information I had to them.

[miraroadvolfire]

The Light that Rob was using in the video is one that he had at home it was used just to get the Green Light idea out there. You are right when you said about Led Lights.

[lmoore3rd]

I liked your presentation, made a clear case for public safety. There shouldn't be any ambiguity in standards when responding. Green rotators, maybe not, high intensity dash LEDs would be ideal. It's been about a year since the video was posted, has your municipality responded? Stay safe.

[TheRadioguy500]

its a green light, whos going to pull over for a green light?

[miraroadvolfire]

Check in with places like Ontario and others that have use the Green Light for years and they are a great help to them.

@TheRadioguy500

[TheRadioguy500]

@miraroadvolfire in ct we use blue, not to many people pull over for them. youre actually better off just responding without lights then with them

[smooth3315]

@TheRadioguy500: the motoring public once educated....that's the plan we're shooting for anyway

[musicislife276]

@TheRadioguy500 you would if it were your house.

[407pilot]

If I were you, I would start pushing for red right now. Here in Ontario it is one single green light, though I notice more and more volunteers adding a few extra greens, and nobody has said much about it yet. In Alberta I believe they are now using red on personal vehicles. The more we push for red on a united front, the better success we will have in Canada. Now that one province has started, it gets a foot in the door for the rest of us. After all, we're responding to an emergency.

[miraroadvolfire]

I would stick with the Green Lights as the Courtesy Light you guys have. Once you get Red and a Siren that is where it seems the problems start. If you are an emergency vehicle I have found it seems there are more accidents, intersections seem to be the real bad spot for them.

@407pilot

[Howard892]

Also with todays fire standards here in the US Green lights are used for command vehicles either a green light or a green flag you go to some states that use green lights all the firefighters must be a commanding officer Here our batt. chiefs have a green light on there SUV/Pickups. But they run there red/whites for emergency calls and only activate there green light when in command of a scene.

[Howard892]

Also another fact about the four way flashers is it disables your turn signals so if your responding to calls keep your 4 ways off and make sure you signal where you are going.

[michealtex]

I have some thing for you to look at .

[miraroadvolfire]

You have sent it to me yet...lol

@michealtex

[michealtex]

i am a dealer for the lights for the police and fire and ems so next time you get lights get a hold of me .

[eerrbb256]

they should be like Connecticut and use green for ems and blue for fire

[ztmarqua]

in illinois, EMS are allowed flashing/oscillating/rotating blue lights on their POV's with a permit and the right paper work along with a siren and high beam flashers, but yeah, they need to get their as soon as possible

[firemanwwr]

i agree wit 94f150302... im a fire fighter in ontario we have the green lights here one light per car/truck/van wat ever you drive but like that guy said in the video SECONDS COUNT.... we need to get there asap... i wanna get the red/white light and sirens in our pov. we are people responding to an emergency, they sit there and complain y it takes us so long to get to the scene but they wont give us the right to run reds and sirens... good luck wit the green light it does help alittle

[gtasalova6969]

I dont agree with the "green light" affect. I am a volunteer ff but am also a paid police officer. In KY where i live there are two degrees of volunteer ffs. Degree 1, this degree is set for Vol. ffs who have not yet been trained on driving an emergency vehicle. They are allowed Red lights and only red lights(no law breaking) And Degree 2 which is a fully trained vol. ff. They are allowed siren lights, and anything else they please This law makes it so much faster for any vol ff to get to scene

[miraroadvolfire]

I fully agree with the Degree 1 and 2 part 100% that is one of the main parts I have been trying to get across to them that not just all ff get the lights.

The Green is only a Request for the right of way and not a demand.

Have you guys have many problems with ff when responding using the Lights and if a ff steps out of line during the response what happens to them.

And thanks for the response It is great hearing from everyone.

[gtasalova6969]

Well most of our volunteers will try and get their EVL (Emergency Vehicle License) as soon as possible of becoming a volunteer. We don't have many problems with the degree 1 volunteers though. They do run the occasional stop sign, some speeding, and a few red lights. The typical punishment is the ticket regarding the crime and a warning, and the second time the volunteer has been caught we will punish them to the fullest extent of the law ans immediate termination.

[firefighterSTA1200]

The way you want it is the same way it is is Pennsylvania and it works very well

[unforgiven911]

ALL FOR IT!!! Hope it passes...

[ff621]

We use Blue light in in NY State but are not allowed to use sirens and depend on the Dept some allowed hideaway strobes too.

[HotMix106]

Has there been a ruling yet? these are really needed

[94F150302]

I'm located in Riverport, Nova Scotia. I agree with an extent with the green light proposition, however I feel red or a combination of red/white/amber would be more appropriate. As well, I personally do not agree with a single light in the dash. You either outfit the vehicle safely to respond with 360 warning or don't do it at all. The use of a red warning device allows you to safely proceed through traffic situations with caution. If your vehicle is not visible from every angle, its dangerous.

[miraroadvolfire]

Thanks for the reply.

This is why I have tried to get the FSANS and others involved in this project. Things would have to be worked out. That is a big part of why we are talking about the Cheifs & D Cheifs, there is no set stantard for them as of now.

[skirdhu9]

I fully support volunteer firefighters having some kind of flashing light to identify themselves when they respond to fires. I've met volunteer firefighters on the road in the dark with their four-ways on and you really can't see them against the headlights. I'd say, though, that motorists would take a red light more seriously and recognize it more readily than a green light.

[808514]

I'm a Volunteer Fire Fighter on the Big Island of Hawaii, which is under the Hawaii County Fire Department have the same problem as many. We aren't allowed any lights or sirens. We have a department of 600+ fire fighters. 300 of those are paid and 300 are volunteers. Our department covers 4,500 sq/miles of land with only 100 paid fire fighters on any given day. Many times we respond to calls that we need to drive our POV because of no driver for the engine 15 miles. So it hard to respond.

[countyfirerealtor]

I'm a volunteer in Prince Edward County FD in Ontario,Canada. Myself & the department find our green lights very effective. Motorists "do" pull-over.

In Milton, ON the fire department has installed the green light in their apparatus in conjunction with their standard lights, as an awareness to the public.

Upon license renewal to all residents of Ontario, there is information promoting "Green Light Awareness"

[miraroadvolfire]

I would love to have a copy of your drivers hand book and a copy of the information that is received when renewing your license.

Please let me know if you can get any of this for me.

Thanks

[lfdlumpy]

How is it going? Has the green light law passed yet?

[larrybuzz552]

in galax VA we use red and white that we just stick in th widsheild but no siren:(

[ryesram]

Volunteer firefighters in Ontario are allowed flashing green lights, I think they should be universal across Canada personally.

[cgvfd1156]

Im a volunteer ff in london kentucky we are allowed to run red/white emergency lights to any call. We are allowed to go 10 over the speed limit and go through red stop lights. But we got to be visible 360 degrees

[stoneypointvolunteer]

At my station they don't care if we use red lights to go to an emergency but if we have them we have to turn on our 4 way flashers as well

[deputywright]

in my town the volunteers use red lights and sirens untill our mayor and chief of police took them away

[alt4ctrl2del]

In PA, volunteers are permitted to operate a blue light with 2 conditions: the chief authorizes it, and State police have the vehicle on file at the local barricks. Chief or police can revolk the privilage for any reason at any time. There are very specific laws as to the location on the vehicle (360 visibility above the vehicle), number of bulbs (2 bulbs or 1 light unit - ???), and vehicles authorized (1 per member). NO other colors (including amber), NO flashing headlights, and NO sirens.

[alt4ctrl2del]

NY uses green lights for volunteer EMS personnel going the EMS station (not associated with a fire department) to obtain an ambulance and/or responding to the scene of an emergency.

[alt4ctrl2del]

By giving anyone a light, they will be more visible... so those vollies that were speeding, rolling stops, and weaving in/out of traffic with out anyone noticing anything more than a stupid driver will now be IDENTIFIABLE. The chief will get phone calls from everyone. I'm a chief and have removed a lot of blue lights because of stupidity.

[pruitt3507]

Indiana we have blue lights we use in are POV, we have to follow all speedlimit signs and cant run redlights. I never had ppl not pull over for me when i was in my pov an responding to a call.

[cccspizza]

here in NC we can use wight/red flashing lights

[TheFirefighter44]

your green light sucks ass!! hahaha!! jk jk

[ODFDfirefighter]

this guy couldnt be more right. when we had an accident a few weeks back i saw one of our members speed right through a red light with out any pov lights or anything putting other drivers at risk

[kieviet82]

cool car ..men

[toprail]

Stand still dammit

[gower22]

i think im getting sea sick from the wobbling

[mendylitz]

If you really are a Chief I dont understand your logic. You can train your vollys to drive responsibly. Giving a FF or EMT emergency lights aids in saving lives.When a house is on fire with ppl trapped every second counts. I hope they get Green Lights soon.

[ap13461]

Here in WV we are permitted to use flashing white or red light and sirens but we have to request a permit from the state fire marshalls office .....all that you need is a good driving record your allowed to have a few tickets but no wreckless driving tickets and you must have firefighters plates front and rear... the permit yu recieve after sending in a copy of your registration insurance and DL ...and if approved you recieve a sticker to place above your inspection sticker very easy process

[ellisfd4821son]

in nc we can use

4 ways/stobes/red/white/dash/roo­f mount and chiefs can have wig-wags(flashing headlights) and sirens

[TheClemsonDude]

In South Carolina volunteers can use red lights just like the fire trucks can. Civilians can use any yellow lights for whatever reason. I know many volunteers who have white strobe lights as well but it isn't legal to my knowledge. Good luck though, I hope that you get your green light! It sounds like a very good idea.

[michealtex]

You now that here in texas or some parts in texas you better not use blue lights or green it is eather red or red and white.

[smalltownkid2004]

yep and here in my hometown in tx we can use red and blue/ red red/ or red and white

[miraroadvolfire]

Please leave a comment

[nwvfd22]

Here in Pennsylvania, we get to use blue lights, and it does help. The MOST important thing is to really drive the point across, to both the traffic authority and volunteer using these lights is your main point, Requesting the right of way.

Speed limits, stop signs, and all traffic laws need to be obeyed. In my opinion, with a blue/green light will stop most from breaking traffic laws, just because more people will be watching you. Great video, and good luck.

[egomaniac556]

I think that in Pennsylvania we should be able to use sirens... im fine with only blue lights.. but some people do not notice and it can be hazardous. i know of many stories where people have been struck in there vehicle while responding and killed.. sirens would allow people to KNOW that we are coming and it will allow firefighters to respond quicker and therefore make the truck response quicker resulting in possibly saving more lives

[flyboyandmeg]

I've been emailing Art back and forth a bit. I support you guys 100% They do help here in Ontario!

[mhfdprobie]

I like the idea. I just joined the Vol. Fire Department in my hometown, They allow us to use a Blue light. It is stated that we should only be using a blue rotating type light, but not many people listen including me. I have an LED light and strobes. It does help with moving traffic, but we still cant run red lights or stop signs. I hope you guys get you use your green lights. It might make the difference in the response time to a call. Good Luck!!