News Flash: NOT EVERY WOMAN WANTS TO HAVE A CHILD Should these women who do not want children be forced to have and raise the child if they become pregnant? Unless abortion is made illegal in this country and we force these women to raise unwanted children then there are very few so called deadbeat dads in this country, but a lot of men who were forced to pay for a child they did not want. Make everything equal and you will see a change.
u r right. until they change the abortion law, i can not support child support. i am against abortion and for men raising his kids but fair is fair. we must have equal rights. why its is a woman body as if the man is nothing and when the baby is born all of a sudden the man who had no choice on the birth of his own child and as they say dont go thru any pregnancy pains LOL (we do) is expected to become half responsible why aint we half responsible b4 that. we always was the dad. i dont understan
While I agree with you, I'd love to know the percentage of women who actually have the opportunity to benefit fro the 18-year Plan, as I've heard it called. I don't think that the average woman in America is going out of her way to get pregnant in order to make money off of some guy. This typically, happens to celebrities. And not to say that celebrities don't need someone to fight for them, but that's a small percentage of folks who have this issue and can actually afford to fight it.
Black Women need to get off of Child Support and start depending on the Man who impregnated her for support. If she continues to go to the enemy for a child check the Black Family will continue to be divided.
I mean seriously child support hurts Dads and it hurts kids. The only one who benefits is the greedy mom. If a guy is so bad in the first place, don't get pregnant. It's your body, your choice. Or you could get a new man. But Honestly, most men WANT to be men and take care of their families. It's a male pride thing.
Or we could just go back to freedom. That's an idea. Just do away with this socialist slavery crap, and stop giving shopping moms incentive to destroy the lives of everyone around them for a cheap buck a and new--man. lol.
Judging by these comments the majority of people up here are either virgins or just plain freaking stupid. A man has just as much responsibility as a woman to raise a child. No one put a gun to his head and make him not wear a condom so how is it 100% the woman's fault? it's 50/50 whether anyone likes it not. A woman doesn't get pregnant by herself. A man and a woman is equally responsible for contraception, and if not then don't have sex. Problem Solved. A mind is a terrible thing to waste!
@mskiara101 you said it your self and i quote "a man has enough responsibility to raise a child" "its 50/50 weather anyone likes it or not" you see thats my point if 2 people create something they should share it evenly and pay for it evenly no child.
also how do you raise a child you do not have custody of? you say everyone here is either a virgin or stupid so if your so smart explain how you can raise a child if the law will not allow you to see it even though you are a very fit parent?
Sister, you're seeing life as it is! Too many women out there riding along for free. It's a way of life for some. They'll lie and try to pin the baby on the man who makes the most money when they can get away with it. The system is messed up. It's all about greed. The states want that federal money and they're gonna get it one way or another. The whole system needs to be reworked. Men do need to help support their children, but not to the tune of 30K a month. That's ludicrous!
Its true that condoms,can be useful,but there not 100% effective & the fact that women. Have the right,to opt out of motherhood,but yet we don't have that same right. When it comes,to opting out of fatherhood,is unfair & sexist,& udermines. The principal of equality,under the law,I think men need reproductive rights too.
nothin is 100% effective. it takes two to make a baby. idk why yall dont see it that way, but it is. but like i said if you dont wanna get a woman pregnant wear a condom, or dont have sex, plain and simple, problem solved! it's not unfair?! was it unfair when you didn't have a condom on? you makin it seem like condoms dont work...haha oh they do cuz i would have kids by now, and so will a lot of others :) sexist? haha no way! but the solution: condom or abstinence :)
Your right about one thing,it takes 2 to make a baby & if so,why should men pay for the complete. Expense,after all the women is a 2nd investor,she should have to pay. Along with the man,in order to maintain her investment,its only fair!
it is fair lol do watch court shows?? lol you are thinkin one sided. men aren't necessarily payin for the complete, a woman does her part too, but the only reason why a man is payin child support in the 1st place bcuz he doesnt want to take care of the baby, but since he helped make the baby, he's gonna pay. u see what im sayin? child support is only necessary when the man doesnt want to take care of his child.
You are so very wrong! You don't have the first clue as to how many men have tried to obtain custody through the biased family court system. I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's wrong - by far!
@mskiara101sometimes it IS the complete expense of raising a child it all depends how much money you make... and usually its way more money then the mom spends on the child directly.. you think if a dad goes to court and says i want to be a real father to my child full time it would work? it doesnt the law doesnt work that way you have to have a lot of money to fight a case like that
@mskiara101 no actually i dont say so the family court system does... if a poor women gets with a man who ears 100k a year and that man now pays her 17 (actually 20) percent of his income monthly how does that not cover the complete care of a child...
Or hey, what about the custodial DADS who need help supporting the kids? Or, even if they don't need help, what's wrong with the mom paying her share? Can we look at some more angles on this rather than talking trash about black women and single moms? I mean, way to play into the hands of racists there. Brilliant.
Or the assumption that women just have babies to get money. Have you seen what most women who need to have child support are actually getting from the babydaddy? Especially if he's dragging his feet, losing his job, etc. to get out of it? Why would you try for that on purpose? Like welfare, it's not exactly lucrative.
Also, the assumptions are stupid, like for instance, a mom would only ask for child support because she's a lazy good for nothing. It's like the discussion of sex before marriage. It always gets couched as "preserving virginity." What about divorced people? Nobody ever talks about that. Likewise here, no one ever considers that the mom asking for child support might be gainfully employed full time.
Who the hell has $15k a month to spend on a child anyway? If you are smart enough to make more than $15k a month, you're smart enough to know how to keep from becoming a daddy. Come on now. And I'm not even gonna look at the other comments, the first page alone is juvenile enough.
When you set up a set of laws that does'nt consider one parent as part of a family, then you aren't looking out for the welfare of the child. When you take away their driving priviledges as an incentive to pay: when you threaten them with incarceration; when you place this delinquincy on their credit rating; when you choose not to look at the interests of both sides, you aren't trying to do what is best for the child. Just as in as in war, the american family is being divided and conquered.
There are people that only make $1000 a month and still have to pay child support, when the other X makes $10,000 a month with there new partner. Why does the person that makes $1000 dollars a month still have to pay child support when the child is obviously doing fine?
thank you for being real, that is the argument we need to make in court.Many people/women are stealing money through child support, I was almost robbed twice that way.One of the girls who tried to trick me went on a found another victim.its extortion and the state is a part of it all.child support should be given only to married people or people who have been living together for 18 mnths or more that way we stop the thieves
Women are all of the time cougering on colleges and trick guys into a marriage with 3 kids and ditching the guy and getting a nanny to look after the kids and then they look for "fresh meat" another recent grad student and they do it again and three Xes are paying child support and alimony with everything they make!!!!
Omy god Sister you said it. I had my parents trick me into going back to school after a divorce and leaving my kids with them. Umm, they upon recieving the temp custody decided I was unfit. FIled child support on me. I been in school for two years before I realized their sneaky plans. Umm, yeah and none of them have a degree or job and live off of the system...It is so unfortunate. So evil!
Child Support is extortion. If a man doesn't want a child, and you do, and you have it, he shouldn't have to pay you sh!t. However, he can decide to have something to do with the child, and still help out - but the government shouldn't make him.
my motto is practice what you preach you have mothers complain about men not supporting their children but yet they dont do it themselves and nobody says anything about.
"Can you explain why a person should be able to care for a child without any assistance? " 1. Because I can! 2. and most impportant It is wrong to extort money from people. 3.welfare is for people that are financial failures.
Any parent that needs support is a deadbeat, failure it's really simple. It is wrong to force other people to give you money. There is a system in place for parents that can't provide it's called welfare.
how about if a women isn't ready to support a child she shouldn't have one! any women that needs support is a deadbeat. the word support in itself is an indication of failure as a parent and provider
i feel you ...its called a stupid bitch that cant understand that the woman doesnt tell the judge how much she wants its by the % OF What he or she makes ..15k seems like alot to most mid to broke ppl but diddy, 50 cent, ceo's,and any1 making millions a year its bullshit...fuckin is fuckin and shit "cums" with it...deal with it...
Why should a man be forced to pay child support for a child he doesn't want if a woman can terminate a pregnancy becuase she is not ready to be a parent? This is not a demostration of equal rights. Coming soon...I will have a website where people can sign a petition banning forced child support. This law should be passed immediately to be equal with Roe V Wade. It is unconstitutional to force a man to pay for a child he doesn't want.
yes! And I do make the assumtion that every women who has a child is ready and by ready that also means having to provide, If she isn't then she is a "deadbeat"
BTW, children don't need child support checks. They need a man who is going to be in their lives to mold and shape them in responsible and productive adults. I guarantee you if there was a law that allowed men to opt out of paying child support, women would think twice about getting pregnant in the first place.
YES!!!!!! A woman can make a choice to go to the abortion clinic WITHOUT even telling the man she is pregnant. If a man wanted to keep the child, she can still get an abortion even thought that child has half of his DNA, and the man has not say in it whatsoever. So therefore, to make it equal, if a woman can opt of motherhood via abortion, then a man should be able to opt of fatherhood and opt out of paying hild support as well.
The point of the video was to discourage women from using kids as tools to get money from wealthy fathers, but your replies are proving what everyone against this idea was saying: Men will use this as a "get out of jail free" card. An excuse to shirk the responsibility of sleeping around.
If a man doesn't want to be a father, I suggest he sleep with a woman who supports abortion and agrees to get one in case of pregnancy, rather than making a baby then completely abandoning it.
Why are you making it seem like the man is horrible for not paying child support because he doesn't want kids, but a women that has an abortion to get out of her parental responsibility is a hero? Ladies, you can't have it both ways. You want equal rights, well the equal thing to do is to allow a man to opt of out child support just as a woman can opt out of parenthood via abortion.
not all men paying support abandones his child. breaking up with a female is not the same as breaking up with your child. and in the same case if a woman knows she cannot support a child she should enforce birth control. or wait until she is married. some men does not want to be with the mom but wants to be a part of the childs life. so the only thing a man may be guilty of is not wanting to be with a female. some women use this as "GET Money for Free Card."
will you marry me? i take my hat off to you... its nice to know that they still have women who are actualy fair. very smart opinion. we need more women like you.
also, some people view abortion as murder. The system you'd present would punish those who decide that abortion is unethical and do not view it as an option.
If the mother refuses abortion, she would be left to fend for her own child. In what cases would the father be ever held responsible for his actions?
The fetus is considered to be part of the mother's body. It would not be ethical for any outsider to initiate any sort of medical procedure to another person's body without consent. Meaning: there is no way a father could initiate an abortion without the mother's permission.
If the child was legally considered a separate being from its mother, then it would be entitled to basic human rights and neither party would be allowed to abort it.
WOW!!! A woman actually looking at the child support issue from a logical moral perspective? This is extremely rare. How did you manage to escape the man hating feminist brainwashing thought patterns?
you are correct... your point of view is so very true. i cant believe im hearing this from a women. its a out dated faulted system. if anyone has anything negative to say about your opion they would be misled, misinformed and just a foolish narrow minded person.
it sounds like a lot of the viewers are dodging the point,i think men are aware of the price they will pay for their actions, but what is being said here is it just and fair to begin with the way the system is set up.
See, you get it. Why must it be only MEN and not WOMEN also who must "pay for their actions". Gee, I feel like a broken record, isn't this issue obvious?
If he chooses to sleep with a woman who wants to get pregnant, thats his own stupidity. After the baby is here it is stupid to judge its treatment on the intentions of the mother.
you cannot deny that the father of a child has equal responsibility to take care of it as the mother does.
michelle,So what you're saying is that a man can only "choose" who he sleeps with.After that he has no choices or rights?After sex all choices and rights belong to women?Listen american men,most women in this country think like michellegreat,this is what you will put up with unless we get rid of feminism and our corrupt judges,courts,and officials.
No. What I'm saying is: having a child should not be a blame game. The care of the child should not be based on the intentions of either parent. You're putting money and pride above the welfare of the child.
I agree with you to an extent. If a man was raped, then I can understand a leniency towards child support. If a man had consensual sex with a gold digger, then he failed himself and should pay.
Answer this:
If a man fathered a child, why should he live a wealthy life and the child live one of poverty? Why shouldn't he share in raising the child? Regardless of the mother's intentions, the child is here, and is fully his responsibility.
The child should not live in poverty so give physical custody the father. And as it is being his FULLY responsibility, that absolves the mother of ANY. But it is supposed to be 50/50 right? Yet you place FULL responsibility onto the male. Typical
The child shouldn't. If the mother insist on continuing a pregnancy when the father objects to parenthood, then the mother must support on her own, if she's unable what type of mother is she? I say adoption should be her other option.
So, you feel a person should just be able to "decide" not to be a parent. They should just be able to shirk any responsibility because they feel like it?
I do not agree that we give men a free pass when they decide to be promiscuous and plant their seed across the nation.
And I don't agree with abortion as a form of birth control. I find that deplorable.
Your hypothesis would be very damaging for children. But great for horny rich guys.
I honest believe if a man is paying for the childs support and upbringing. I belive that if the child does not attend college and become an asset for his society that the wife should have to repay the childsupport to the father if the child then become the responsibility for the state. In this day in age women should be held accountable for having children. Man law needs to be put into effect.
Hold on, is it just me or are men not aware that they are having unprotected sex and the result might be that this person could possibly get pregnant.Regardless of the amount of a person has been made to pay for child support seems to me they should take into consideration all things before having sex in the first place.
Again, this isn't about what they know or don't (just like getting a abortion for women isn't). It about giving men the same choice that women have as to when they become a parent.
Isn't the thought behind abortion: her body, her choice?
He can't force her to get an abortion. And just because she decides not to get one doesn't absolve him of all responsibility.
This is the result of unbridled promiscuity. If you aren't responsible in your choices, you can't just decide to pass on the resulting baby. Sorry, no backsies.
Child Support is extortion. If a man doesn't want a child, and you do, and you have it, he shouldn't have to pay you sh!t. However, he can decide to have something to do with the child, and still help out - but the government shouldn't make him.
Dude that is my whole point! If a dude is WILLING to help out cause its the right thing to do then let him do so. Bitches who run to CS out of spite will only cause a man to turn his back and walk the fuck away. Time out 4 da BS! Broads need to grow the fuck up. But these BM's rather have the money over a mans time with the child. BMs are a pitiful species
I agree with you, the mother of my uncles kids is living dependently on his child support money and she is not even working a day of her life. Everytime I pass by her house, I'd see beer cans on the lawns and its just a complete junk on how she spends that child support money. It makes me sick and saddens the rest of my family.
In prison, men can not do harm, civil liberties are gone, can not vote, and can not be DRAFTED to goto Wars. Disabled, men are incapable or of-doing harm, get plenty of social benefits, get to vote, and can not be DRAFTED to goto Wars. Either case, you will have no or very limited or supervised access to your biological kids. Teach kids to forgive and sue CSA. So, women will be forced to work 3 or 4 jobs, be drafted to goto war and get shot/abused/raped/killed. THANKS for the vacation CSA!
njort,You could just get married again and enjoy having a man "support" you.However,after having kids and aging,you've probably gained weight so you're not that attractive anymore so you have to work.THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SO UPSET.
as an alternative, let these systems work the men and women to death, as modern day slaves in concentration camps, and remove all chances of having a life ever again. this would increase the suicide and family homicide rates - writing off the CSA bill. Else, as slaves if they become disabled, then write-off their CSA bill and let the state take care of them, increasing the national debt. SO, MORE KIDS, HIGHER TAXES!!
Since you can't disprove any of my posts(because its all true)Do us all a favor and go away.Your wasting comment space.Here's another name for you,STUPID BITCH!!!
lol! if you dont ant a chid support keep your dick in your pants! lol 50cents was paying 25k a month! until his gold digger ex wanted more like 50k! the judge say no and gave her 7500 a month
Sahb, parents needs and wants come before any child comes into the world. If a woman has a child without the man's consent, he should not be held responsible.
to your comment on why the woman had the baby if she new she'd be struggling....why did the man have sex if he new a baby was a possibility? making better choices, i believe, is the core behind the child support issue, better choices need to be made on BOTH ends, point blank you knew what the consequences were when you laid down, just like criminals know what their consequences are when they do the crime, DO THE CRIME PAY THE TIME!
nj, people have sex. They don't always do that with intentions of having children. So men shouldn't EVER have sex unless they want kids? You're an idiot. Where is the equality there? Pregnancy is the woman's condition. She's the one that goes through gestation. You make no sense saying men shouldn't have sex, but woman can. They have choices after sex, we do not. Plus, they have birth control.
of course you have a co=hoice over birth control, ever hear of a condom... and my comments towards not having sex if you don't anticipate a baby are not only for men, but women as well
nj, what if the condom breaks and she gets pregnant? Am I absolved of any responsibility? How will we prove that in a court of law? See how flimsy your "solution" is? What if a woman gets pregnant? She can get out of child support. How can a man do the same? He can't. See, you aren't thinking on both sides here.
Women are not convicted of any crime,they can deny visitation,use cs to support herself,etc.You KNOW this but you purposely avoided these facts it because you are a piece of garbage.Just like family court lawyers and judges.
wow you really are so witty, can't think of anything logical so you resort to name calling, i don't dispute that there are women that are les than ethical, my only arguement is that each party male and female know what consequences they face when they decide to have sex, so if you're grown enough to make that decision then you should be grown enough to be responsible for the consequences
njorta,MY argument is for females there are NO consequences,only rewards.Such as custody of child and a free paycheck.Only men face conseqeunces such as having half of your check stolen,license suspension,passport revoked,credit ruined,bank accounts frozen,do I make my point clear?Like I said you know this and you will not address it just like family court judges and lawyers will not address it.Which makes you a piece of garbage exactly like them.
Child neglect is frequently defined in terms of a failure to provide for a child's basic needs-deprivation of adequate food, clothing, shelter, supervision, or medical care (Salus). Poverty is defined as the state of not having enough money to take care of basic needs such as food, clothing, and housing. Therefore, if non-payment of child support causes children to live in poverty; the parent causing that poverty is committing child neglect. each person should be accountable male or femal
If thats the case,then there should be no child support.The court should just remove custody from the woman.Because she herself neglected to provide for the child.But we all know only the man is held accountable because he's the man and feminist law says that men should pay for everything.You feminist love playing the "innocent female victim" vs. "the evil man" card.People like you along with this corrupt gov't have done a great job destroying our children and our country.
i am really sorry that some woman did a number on you causing this profound bitterness. thou there is nothing wrong with it i am not a feminist. I simply believe in standing up to your responsibilities. no matter how many derogatory comments you make toward me i still believe the action of making a child is a conscious decision of both parties and thus is both their responsibility to ensure that child is properly taken care of
I am really sorry that you have no logical response to my argument.But instead you make assumptions about my personal life in order to avoid the real issues.Ive already told you that only the man is held responsible while the female get rewarded with a free check.If you really believe in your "standing up to your responsibilities" statement,you would be against child support,because women don't have to be responsible,just depend on the gov't for a free ride.
Well, if my assumptions in this area of your life are in correct, then you really have no business commenting on this situation, i have children whose father is suppose to pay support, i work 45+ hours a week, and am on no free ride from the govt, but i was not alone making these three children and feel he should not get to play fun daddy and not be financially responsible for these children
As a citizen of this facist country,the constitution says I have freedom of speech.I can comment on whatever subject I want.Further more my tax dollars are being used to finance this system of slavery.Why should I spend MY MONEY on YOUR CHOICES?You chose to be with that man,he did'nt FORCE YOU to have sex or children.So what gives you the right to FORCE him to pay you money?You working 45+hours a week is supposed to make me feel sorry for you?I work 40+hours a week also.Stop whining.
no one is whinning, i didn't force him into sex he knew what he was getting into, that is my major point, each individual is aware of what could possibly come from sex so if one does not want to stand up and be responsible for ALL possible outcomes then don't participate, and trust me i don't need or want your sympathies, and i asure you that your money has never paid for my choices
You must have the word huh?Even when you have no valid argument.Yes I am paying for your choices.I pay taxes to the federal gov't.The feds then pay money to your state gov't to run their cs scam.They use that money to track down your ex so he can pay you.The feds also match funds for each dollar collected from your ex.The gov't does this because they are greedy.They also know that you are not capable of pulling you own weight so they "give" you a handout.
i get no handouts, i have never recieved any sort of public assistance and because of a deadbeat dad i am pulling more than my own weight, and i too pay taxes so the way i see it i am paying for my own taxes
njort,You're just a typical feminist.Blaming you ex for your failures."Deadbeat dad" is feminist slang for:man not "giving" me money to make my life "easier".Your ex doesnt owe you a damn thing.I bet he wants to be a dad,but being a dad doesnt mean "giving" you money.Yes you do pay taxes,but the rest of us shouldnt have to pay for your failed marriage.
Yes, this post is about parents, but not because I don't care about kids. Because I care about the selfish mothers who force fathers into parenthood and child support and wonder why they're bitter. Yea, that serves kids real well.
Thank you Thank you Thank you...I was starting to be ashamed that I'm a woman! Of course men should financially help support their children, but, From what I've seen in life, there are way too many woman driving around in 60,000 dollar SUV's on 20's, because she has nickel and dimed the father to the point he can barely pay his own rent...it's ridiculous...the government needs to start making child support recipients take accountability for just exactly what the child support is being spent on.
Well, I'm not riding around on anything but NYC transportation. I would never go out of my way to make my ex's life miserable by constantly going to courts to increase child support.
then those men should be more careful where they lay their business, you idiotically thought i was saying birth control is meaningless, no, I am saying it is not only the woman's responsibility to look after , if a person makes the decision to have sex they should be ready for any possible outcome, and if they are not ready to face the outcomes then they should take the precautions to prevent said outcomes, not leave it up to their partner and then walk away when they don't like the outcome
nj, how can a man be responsible for sperm he has no control over? Once the woman voluntarily has sex and accepts the sperm, it becomes her property and her control. The man has no choices after that. She is the only one that can make life. Since women have choices, that means men should not be held liable if they didn't opt-in beforehand.
do you mean to tell me men have not control over where they leave their sperm, it's not about the choices after the fact, but the choices before, you know what your getting into and the possiblity of having a child
nj, once women take the sperm, it's their property. They make the choices. Roe vs. Wade says they take care of anything that has to do with their bodies, and nobody else has any say. This being the case, they have all the responsibility of creating life. Ok? So no, men aren't responsible for life, because they don't create it.
WELL SAID!!!!!i got a leech on me wanting me to pay for horses and karate classes for a kid that was forced upon me! when i clearly expressed my feelings about not being ready to be a parent...she gave me the its my choice crap and my body speech...yeah buts its my wallet she made HER decision on...now she does not work and keeps popping kids and complains that she needs more child support because she can work because she's taking care of other babies...wtf!?
Sister, that was wonderful. I wish more woman could hear and understand what you've said. Some woman, feel that if you have a corperate job and are not thugged out that you are a sucker. That you can be played and they can get payed. All the brothers need to careful out here. Thanks again sis!
I feel that child support should be paid but having allot of boundaries on the amount that should be court ordered to pay. If the mother isn't working and isn't actively seeking employment they shouldn't even get (court ordered) child support if they're fully capable of working. If they are working (full-time) they should recieve 20% of the mans pay after taxes. For the men that think the baby mama's are dead beats get custudy and try your damn hardest to prove they are dead beats.
finally a sensible response, if you don't approve of how the child support is being handled take support of your kids, and i agree if a woman is unemployed and not standing up to her responsibilities, the man should not be punished
Beautiful video. You have hit the nail right on the head. Men don't have a problem with child support. They have a problem with the disgusting treatment they receive. 10 stars.
Stinky, actually, yes, men DO have a problem with child support, when they are asked to pay for something they never wanted. If they did want it, then perhaps they wouldn't mind. However, I'm sure men would be happier if the government kept out of things.
There is a need for legal reform to plug a lot of the holes that some women have abused. The the purpose of the law is justice, equity and fairness, but that does not seem to be the case...Read "The Tyranny of Tolerance by Judge Robert H Dierker Jr"
I agree with a lot of the arguments you put forward. As a man I believe a person has to support their child..but the way the court does this sometimes or even in a lot of cases you hear its very clear that the law has become an instrument of INJUSTICE to men in more cases than to women.
Thanks, but listen carefully. I am in no way suggesting that someone should get to decide they don't want to support the child, say after the relationship goes bad, women can't and men should not be able to either. I'm saying at 14 weeks gestation, or what ever the abortion limit is, he ought to be abot to opt out, of all responsibility. One shot, non-revocable deal, just like an abortion.
Actually, it took 2 my ex-husband and I. We both wanted the children and the fact that we are not together is irrelevant because the children are still priority and have to be taken care of physically, financially and spiritually.
on the amount why should they child live w/ just enough when the parent can afford to give them more than just enough they didn't ask to be here being a child of a single mother that did it on her own and at one time a single parent myself i know the struggle i have gladly taken on my responsibilities even thou they were not part of the plan i had for my life both parents should gladly do the same and if you are in a position to give your child more than just the necessities then damn well do so
njor, Well, why did the woman have a child if she knew she'd be struggling? Shouldn't you be off in some form talking to women about making better choices?
That is BULL SHIT if he was willing to lay down and stick his dick in her then he should be just as willing to pay for the consequences that follow. These men aren't being forced, they make a conscious decision to have sex, therefore they have no right to abandon a woman after they feel they're done.
That is true. I told my ex-husband you have the right to walk out on me, but you do NOT have the right to walk out on them and your responsibilites to them.
nataval, I do agree with you. I am NOT, I repeat NOT speaking of married, or otherwise committed couples who have decided to have children together getting to "dump" their children later when the relationship ends, HELL NO. I am talking ONLY a choice within the window that a woman can terminate a pregnancy, nothing more.
cord, now you're full of shit. Since when does sex create a child? It doesn't. Only gestation does. Women don't have to be a parent for having sex - so why should men? You're a fuckin dimwit.
Women have been known to use men for piggy banks. It's the same as stealing not only the money but the child from the father. The father has to spend thousands for child support which ensures he can not fight in court to get equal/ custody wrights.
You are right
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Mrbabidaddiclothesli 9 months ago
News Flash: NOT EVERY WOMAN WANTS TO HAVE A CHILD Should these women who do not want children be forced to have and raise the child if they become pregnant? Unless abortion is made illegal in this country and we force these women to raise unwanted children then there are very few so called deadbeat dads in this country, but a lot of men who were forced to pay for a child they did not want. Make everything equal and you will see a change.
thepoint221 1 year ago
u r right. until they change the abortion law, i can not support child support. i am against abortion and for men raising his kids but fair is fair. we must have equal rights. why its is a woman body as if the man is nothing and when the baby is born all of a sudden the man who had no choice on the birth of his own child and as they say dont go thru any pregnancy pains LOL (we do) is expected to become half responsible why aint we half responsible b4 that. we always was the dad. i dont understan
mykole84 1 year ago
While I agree with you, I'd love to know the percentage of women who actually have the opportunity to benefit fro the 18-year Plan, as I've heard it called. I don't think that the average woman in America is going out of her way to get pregnant in order to make money off of some guy. This typically, happens to celebrities. And not to say that celebrities don't need someone to fight for them, but that's a small percentage of folks who have this issue and can actually afford to fight it.
WellDamn24 1 year ago
your right on .
johncoolgun 1 year ago
Black Women need to get off of Child Support and start depending on the Man who impregnated her for support. If she continues to go to the enemy for a child check the Black Family will continue to be divided.
Cliff1719 1 year ago
BTW I'm actually against abortion, just for the record. My point is that women have that choice. Sigh. So much hypocrisy in this world.
skytrooper1980 1 year ago
I mean seriously child support hurts Dads and it hurts kids. The only one who benefits is the greedy mom. If a guy is so bad in the first place, don't get pregnant. It's your body, your choice. Or you could get a new man. But Honestly, most men WANT to be men and take care of their families. It's a male pride thing.
skytrooper1980 1 year ago
Or we could just go back to freedom. That's an idea. Just do away with this socialist slavery crap, and stop giving shopping moms incentive to destroy the lives of everyone around them for a cheap buck a and new--man. lol.
skytrooper1980 1 year ago
this is fucking ridiculous nuff said
opieto 2 years ago
Judging by these comments the majority of people up here are either virgins or just plain freaking stupid. A man has just as much responsibility as a woman to raise a child. No one put a gun to his head and make him not wear a condom so how is it 100% the woman's fault? it's 50/50 whether anyone likes it not. A woman doesn't get pregnant by herself. A man and a woman is equally responsible for contraception, and if not then don't have sex. Problem Solved. A mind is a terrible thing to waste!
mskiara101 2 years ago
@mskiara101 you said it your self and i quote "a man has enough responsibility to raise a child" "its 50/50 weather anyone likes it or not" you see thats my point if 2 people create something they should share it evenly and pay for it evenly no child.
also how do you raise a child you do not have custody of? you say everyone here is either a virgin or stupid so if your so smart explain how you can raise a child if the law will not allow you to see it even though you are a very fit parent?
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
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@themaniusedtob smdh like i said if you say so lol
mskiara101 1 year ago
Sister, you're seeing life as it is! Too many women out there riding along for free. It's a way of life for some. They'll lie and try to pin the baby on the man who makes the most money when they can get away with it. The system is messed up. It's all about greed. The states want that federal money and they're gonna get it one way or another. The whole system needs to be reworked. Men do need to help support their children, but not to the tune of 30K a month. That's ludicrous!
FathersAdvocate 2 years ago
It makes me happy to see not all women are totally oblivious when it come to the child support system. just wish there were more like you.
cjhagg50 2 years ago
Most man I left with the cost. Point blank child support is a system about greed.
1shawana 2 years ago
I agree child support is bullshit!
crypter27 2 years ago
oh but fukkin w/o a condom, that can get u a baby is bullshit? smdh lmfao!
mskiara101 2 years ago
Child support is like a modern day,debters prison!
crypter27 2 years ago
okay, but if you fukkin someone w/o a condom you cant get mad @ child support about nothin lol
mskiara101 2 years ago
Its true that condoms,can be useful,but there not 100% effective & the fact that women. Have the right,to opt out of motherhood,but yet we don't have that same right. When it comes,to opting out of fatherhood,is unfair & sexist,& udermines. The principal of equality,under the law,I think men need reproductive rights too.
crypter27 2 years ago
nothin is 100% effective. it takes two to make a baby. idk why yall dont see it that way, but it is. but like i said if you dont wanna get a woman pregnant wear a condom, or dont have sex, plain and simple, problem solved! it's not unfair?! was it unfair when you didn't have a condom on? you makin it seem like condoms dont work...haha oh they do cuz i would have kids by now, and so will a lot of others :) sexist? haha no way! but the solution: condom or abstinence :)
mskiara101 2 years ago
Your right about one thing,it takes 2 to make a baby & if so,why should men pay for the complete. Expense,after all the women is a 2nd investor,she should have to pay. Along with the man,in order to maintain her investment,its only fair!
crypter27 2 years ago
it is fair lol do watch court shows?? lol you are thinkin one sided. men aren't necessarily payin for the complete, a woman does her part too, but the only reason why a man is payin child support in the 1st place bcuz he doesnt want to take care of the baby, but since he helped make the baby, he's gonna pay. u see what im sayin? child support is only necessary when the man doesnt want to take care of his child.
mskiara101 2 years ago
You are so very wrong! You don't have the first clue as to how many men have tried to obtain custody through the biased family court system. I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's wrong - by far!
FathersAdvocate 2 years ago
@mskiara101sometimes it IS the complete expense of raising a child it all depends how much money you make... and usually its way more money then the mom spends on the child directly.. you think if a dad goes to court and says i want to be a real father to my child full time it would work? it doesnt the law doesnt work that way you have to have a lot of money to fight a case like that
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
@themaniusedtob lol yeah okay if you say so :)
mskiara101 1 year ago
@mskiara101 no actually i dont say so the family court system does... if a poor women gets with a man who ears 100k a year and that man now pays her 17 (actually 20) percent of his income monthly how does that not cover the complete care of a child...
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
Or hey, what about the custodial DADS who need help supporting the kids? Or, even if they don't need help, what's wrong with the mom paying her share? Can we look at some more angles on this rather than talking trash about black women and single moms? I mean, way to play into the hands of racists there. Brilliant.
danaseilhan 2 years ago
Or the assumption that women just have babies to get money. Have you seen what most women who need to have child support are actually getting from the babydaddy? Especially if he's dragging his feet, losing his job, etc. to get out of it? Why would you try for that on purpose? Like welfare, it's not exactly lucrative.
danaseilhan 2 years ago
Also, the assumptions are stupid, like for instance, a mom would only ask for child support because she's a lazy good for nothing. It's like the discussion of sex before marriage. It always gets couched as "preserving virginity." What about divorced people? Nobody ever talks about that. Likewise here, no one ever considers that the mom asking for child support might be gainfully employed full time.
danaseilhan 2 years ago
Who the hell has $15k a month to spend on a child anyway? If you are smart enough to make more than $15k a month, you're smart enough to know how to keep from becoming a daddy. Come on now. And I'm not even gonna look at the other comments, the first page alone is juvenile enough.
danaseilhan 2 years ago
When you set up a set of laws that does'nt consider one parent as part of a family, then you aren't looking out for the welfare of the child. When you take away their driving priviledges as an incentive to pay: when you threaten them with incarceration; when you place this delinquincy on their credit rating; when you choose not to look at the interests of both sides, you aren't trying to do what is best for the child. Just as in as in war, the american family is being divided and conquered.
yadirasman 2 years ago
There are people that only make $1000 a month and still have to pay child support, when the other X makes $10,000 a month with there new partner. Why does the person that makes $1000 dollars a month still have to pay child support when the child is obviously doing fine?
vancouner 2 years ago
You know...I never thought of it that way before. You are absolutely right!
jashunta 2 years ago
thank you for being real, that is the argument we need to make in court.Many people/women are stealing money through child support, I was almost robbed twice that way.One of the girls who tried to trick me went on a found another victim.its extortion and the state is a part of it all.child support should be given only to married people or people who have been living together for 18 mnths or more that way we stop the thieves
vernontrumpet2000 2 years ago
Women are all of the time cougering on colleges and trick guys into a marriage with 3 kids and ditching the guy and getting a nanny to look after the kids and then they look for "fresh meat" another recent grad student and they do it again and three Xes are paying child support and alimony with everything they make!!!!
RedDragon7777 2 years ago
Omy god Sister you said it. I had my parents trick me into going back to school after a divorce and leaving my kids with them. Umm, they upon recieving the temp custody decided I was unfit. FIled child support on me. I been in school for two years before I realized their sneaky plans. Umm, yeah and none of them have a degree or job and live off of the system...It is so unfortunate. So evil!
sumayahrose 3 years ago
this woman is so smart. i agree child support should be an option is abortion is still available
jeffsupersaiyan 3 years ago
This is the bitch you see in the court room saying...nuh uh i want my money...
Stupid bitch
6robert6ramirez6 3 years ago
bitch you stupid
kailahclark22yrs 3 years ago
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Child Support is extortion. If a man doesn't want a child, and you do, and you have it, he shouldn't have to pay you sh!t. However, he can decide to have something to do with the child, and still help out - but the government shouldn't make him.
drock285 3 years ago
my motto is practice what you preach you have mothers complain about men not supporting their children but yet they dont do it themselves and nobody says anything about.
camachmi 3 years ago
force sum1 into parenthood...um can we say stupid u ass.... sounds like a lil ..well let me just say..hi hater
runnybunny83 3 years ago
"Can you explain why a person should be able to care for a child without any assistance? " 1. Because I can! 2. and most impportant It is wrong to extort money from people. 3.welfare is for people that are financial failures.
valleyfight 3 years ago
Any parent that needs support is a deadbeat, failure it's really simple. It is wrong to force other people to give you money. There is a system in place for parents that can't provide it's called welfare.
valleyfight 3 years ago 2
Can you explain why a person should be able to care for a child without any assistance?
michellegreat 3 years ago
how about if a women isn't ready to support a child she shouldn't have one! any women that needs support is a deadbeat. the word support in itself is an indication of failure as a parent and provider
valleyfight 3 years ago
So, any woman who needs child support is a failure?
Does everyone see what kind of mentality this video is feeding into?
michellegreat 3 years ago
Short answer, yes! Longer answer any parent (women or man) that needs it has failed as a provider.
valleyfight 3 years ago
i feel you ...its called a stupid bitch that cant understand that the woman doesnt tell the judge how much she wants its by the % OF What he or she makes ..15k seems like alot to most mid to broke ppl but diddy, 50 cent, ceo's,and any1 making millions a year its bullshit...fuckin is fuckin and shit "cums" with it...deal with it...
runnybunny83 3 years ago
Why should a man be forced to pay child support for a child he doesn't want if a woman can terminate a pregnancy becuase she is not ready to be a parent? This is not a demostration of equal rights. Coming soon...I will have a website where people can sign a petition banning forced child support. This law should be passed immediately to be equal with Roe V Wade. It is unconstitutional to force a man to pay for a child he doesn't want.
kcballintyp 3 years ago
You assume every woman who doesn't want to have a child gets an abortion.
Should every unplanned pregnancy come with this exemption option for men?
michellegreat 3 years ago
yes! And I do make the assumtion that every women who has a child is ready and by ready that also means having to provide, If she isn't then she is a "deadbeat"
valleyfight 3 years ago
If a pregnancy is unplanned, then it means neither party is ready to provide. That's why its called unplanned. No one wanted a child.
In your opinion, is there any situation in which a man should pay for the child?
michellegreat 3 years ago
BTW, children don't need child support checks. They need a man who is going to be in their lives to mold and shape them in responsible and productive adults. I guarantee you if there was a law that allowed men to opt out of paying child support, women would think twice about getting pregnant in the first place.
kcballintyp 3 years ago 9
No there isn't because a woman can go get an abortion on demand without reason. So a man should be provided the same legal rights.
kcballintyp 3 years ago 3
YES!!!!!! A woman can make a choice to go to the abortion clinic WITHOUT even telling the man she is pregnant. If a man wanted to keep the child, she can still get an abortion even thought that child has half of his DNA, and the man has not say in it whatsoever. So therefore, to make it equal, if a woman can opt of motherhood via abortion, then a man should be able to opt of fatherhood and opt out of paying hild support as well.
kcballintyp 3 years ago
The point of the video was to discourage women from using kids as tools to get money from wealthy fathers, but your replies are proving what everyone against this idea was saying: Men will use this as a "get out of jail free" card. An excuse to shirk the responsibility of sleeping around.
If a man doesn't want to be a father, I suggest he sleep with a woman who supports abortion and agrees to get one in case of pregnancy, rather than making a baby then completely abandoning it.
michellegreat 3 years ago
Why are you making it seem like the man is horrible for not paying child support because he doesn't want kids, but a women that has an abortion to get out of her parental responsibility is a hero? Ladies, you can't have it both ways. You want equal rights, well the equal thing to do is to allow a man to opt of out child support just as a woman can opt out of parenthood via abortion.
kcballintyp 3 years ago 2
not all men paying support abandones his child. breaking up with a female is not the same as breaking up with your child. and in the same case if a woman knows she cannot support a child she should enforce birth control. or wait until she is married. some men does not want to be with the mom but wants to be a part of the childs life. so the only thing a man may be guilty of is not wanting to be with a female. some women use this as "GET Money for Free Card."
JfarmerJr 2 years ago
will you marry me? i take my hat off to you... its nice to know that they still have women who are actualy fair. very smart opinion. we need more women like you.
davidhamann06 3 years ago
Thank you, it is so refreshing to find a woman who understands this issue.
coreydmont 3 years ago
wow---thanxzzzz--point-blank-is-use-CONDOMZZZZZZZ
210gunz 3 years ago
also, some people view abortion as murder. The system you'd present would punish those who decide that abortion is unethical and do not view it as an option.
If the mother refuses abortion, she would be left to fend for her own child. In what cases would the father be ever held responsible for his actions?
michellegreat 3 years ago
Well, a woman has a choice to end a life because she not ready to be a parent yet, so a man should be able to opt out of child support as well.
kcballintyp 3 years ago
You don't understand the issue of abortion.
The fetus is considered to be part of the mother's body. It would not be ethical for any outsider to initiate any sort of medical procedure to another person's body without consent. Meaning: there is no way a father could initiate an abortion without the mother's permission.
If the child was legally considered a separate being from its mother, then it would be entitled to basic human rights and neither party would be allowed to abort it.
michellegreat 3 years ago
WOW!!! A woman actually looking at the child support issue from a logical moral perspective? This is extremely rare. How did you manage to escape the man hating feminist brainwashing thought patterns?
betterworld21 3 years ago 2
you are correct... your point of view is so very true. i cant believe im hearing this from a women. its a out dated faulted system. if anyone has anything negative to say about your opion they would be misled, misinformed and just a foolish narrow minded person.
davidhamann06 3 years ago
it sounds like a lot of the viewers are dodging the point,i think men are aware of the price they will pay for their actions, but what is being said here is it just and fair to begin with the way the system is set up.
1zzzzzzz1 3 years ago
See, you get it. Why must it be only MEN and not WOMEN also who must "pay for their actions". Gee, I feel like a broken record, isn't this issue obvious?
msmarinajb 3 years ago
If he chooses to sleep with a woman who wants to get pregnant, thats his own stupidity. After the baby is here it is stupid to judge its treatment on the intentions of the mother.
you cannot deny that the father of a child has equal responsibility to take care of it as the mother does.
michellegreat 3 years ago
michelle,So what you're saying is that a man can only "choose" who he sleeps with.After that he has no choices or rights?After sex all choices and rights belong to women?Listen american men,most women in this country think like michellegreat,this is what you will put up with unless we get rid of feminism and our corrupt judges,courts,and officials.
whfmantis 3 years ago 2
No. What I'm saying is: having a child should not be a blame game. The care of the child should not be based on the intentions of either parent. You're putting money and pride above the welfare of the child.
michellegreat 3 years ago
The father should have equal responsibility, but the courts will almost NEVER allow shared physical custody. think about it.
dantej32 3 years ago 2
If that's true, it just reinforces my position that with that responsibility, he should also have the same choice as a woman at 12 weeks gestation.
msmarinajb 3 years ago
"getting pregnant through trickery"...
I agree with you to an extent. If a man was raped, then I can understand a leniency towards child support. If a man had consensual sex with a gold digger, then he failed himself and should pay.
Answer this:
If a man fathered a child, why should he live a wealthy life and the child live one of poverty? Why shouldn't he share in raising the child? Regardless of the mother's intentions, the child is here, and is fully his responsibility.
michellegreat 3 years ago
The child should not live in poverty so give physical custody the father. And as it is being his FULLY responsibility, that absolves the mother of ANY. But it is supposed to be 50/50 right? Yet you place FULL responsibility onto the male. Typical
dantej32 3 years ago
The child shouldn't. If the mother insist on continuing a pregnancy when the father objects to parenthood, then the mother must support on her own, if she's unable what type of mother is she? I say adoption should be her other option.
msmarinajb 3 years ago
So, you feel a person should just be able to "decide" not to be a parent. They should just be able to shirk any responsibility because they feel like it?
I do not agree that we give men a free pass when they decide to be promiscuous and plant their seed across the nation.
And I don't agree with abortion as a form of birth control. I find that deplorable.
Your hypothesis would be very damaging for children. But great for horny rich guys.
michellegreat 3 years ago
AMEN STSTA!! Bitches always trying to get in a niggas pockets but I keep a ace up my sleeves!
persleezy 3 years ago
dude, you're probably sterile anyways. keep it moving.
michellegreat 3 years ago
Your smarter than what you sound like
persleezy 3 years ago
I bet this lady don't even have kids..
fashion832 3 years ago
If you cant pay,then don't play!:)
fashion832 3 years ago
but only for men, and not women? Why don't we just tell women seeking to terminate a pregnancy, "sorry, you played, now you pay".
msmarinajb 3 years ago
I honest believe if a man is paying for the childs support and upbringing. I belive that if the child does not attend college and become an asset for his society that the wife should have to repay the childsupport to the father if the child then become the responsibility for the state. In this day in age women should be held accountable for having children. Man law needs to be put into effect.
zopound 3 years ago
Hold on, is it just me or are men not aware that they are having unprotected sex and the result might be that this person could possibly get pregnant.Regardless of the amount of a person has been made to pay for child support seems to me they should take into consideration all things before having sex in the first place.
vanderaw 3 years ago
Again, this isn't about what they know or don't (just like getting a abortion for women isn't). It about giving men the same choice that women have as to when they become a parent.
msmarinajb 3 years ago
Isn't the thought behind abortion: her body, her choice?
He can't force her to get an abortion. And just because she decides not to get one doesn't absolve him of all responsibility.
This is the result of unbridled promiscuity. If you aren't responsible in your choices, you can't just decide to pass on the resulting baby. Sorry, no backsies.
michellegreat 3 years ago
Child Support is extortion. If a man doesn't want a child, and you do, and you have it, he shouldn't have to pay you sh!t. However, he can decide to have something to do with the child, and still help out - but the government shouldn't make him.
drock285 3 years ago 6
Dude that is my whole point! If a dude is WILLING to help out cause its the right thing to do then let him do so. Bitches who run to CS out of spite will only cause a man to turn his back and walk the fuck away. Time out 4 da BS! Broads need to grow the fuck up. But these BM's rather have the money over a mans time with the child. BMs are a pitiful species
persleezy 3 years ago
I agree with you, the mother of my uncles kids is living dependently on his child support money and she is not even working a day of her life. Everytime I pass by her house, I'd see beer cans on the lawns and its just a complete junk on how she spends that child support money. It makes me sick and saddens the rest of my family.
KmkzA09 3 years ago
this childsupport system is too corrupt and cant survive under its current system.
chibuttman 3 years ago
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In prison, men can not do harm, civil liberties are gone, can not vote, and can not be DRAFTED to goto Wars. Disabled, men are incapable or of-doing harm, get plenty of social benefits, get to vote, and can not be DRAFTED to goto Wars. Either case, you will have no or very limited or supervised access to your biological kids. Teach kids to forgive and sue CSA. So, women will be forced to work 3 or 4 jobs, be drafted to goto war and get shot/abused/raped/killed. THANKS for the vacation CSA!
BALANCE94015 3 years ago
njort,You could just get married again and enjoy having a man "support" you.However,after having kids and aging,you've probably gained weight so you're not that attractive anymore so you have to work.THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SO UPSET.
whfmantis 3 years ago
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as an alternative, let these systems work the men and women to death, as modern day slaves in concentration camps, and remove all chances of having a life ever again. this would increase the suicide and family homicide rates - writing off the CSA bill. Else, as slaves if they become disabled, then write-off their CSA bill and let the state take care of them, increasing the national debt. SO, MORE KIDS, HIGHER TAXES!!
BALANCE94015 3 years ago
Since you can't disprove any of my posts(because its all true)Do us all a favor and go away.Your wasting comment space.Here's another name for you,STUPID BITCH!!!
whfmantis 3 years ago
lol! if you dont ant a chid support keep your dick in your pants! lol 50cents was paying 25k a month! until his gold digger ex wanted more like 50k! the judge say no and gave her 7500 a month
rollin77 3 years ago
bunch of gold digger bitches! this is why i dont have kids! fuck the system! I love msmarinajb for posting this!!!!!!1
rollin77 3 years ago
You make some great points, but mainly about what is best for the parents. Not about what's best for the kids?
There is no set price amount when it comes to children. The more money the better their chances in life.
Sahbisun 3 years ago
Sahb, parents needs and wants come before any child comes into the world. If a woman has a child without the man's consent, he should not be held responsible.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
to your comment on why the woman had the baby if she new she'd be struggling....why did the man have sex if he new a baby was a possibility? making better choices, i believe, is the core behind the child support issue, better choices need to be made on BOTH ends, point blank you knew what the consequences were when you laid down, just like criminals know what their consequences are when they do the crime, DO THE CRIME PAY THE TIME!
njortega4781 3 years ago
nj, people have sex. They don't always do that with intentions of having children. So men shouldn't EVER have sex unless they want kids? You're an idiot. Where is the equality there? Pregnancy is the woman's condition. She's the one that goes through gestation. You make no sense saying men shouldn't have sex, but woman can. They have choices after sex, we do not. Plus, they have birth control.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
of course you have a co=hoice over birth control, ever hear of a condom... and my comments towards not having sex if you don't anticipate a baby are not only for men, but women as well
njortega4781 3 years ago
nj, what if the condom breaks and she gets pregnant? Am I absolved of any responsibility? How will we prove that in a court of law? See how flimsy your "solution" is? What if a woman gets pregnant? She can get out of child support. How can a man do the same? He can't. See, you aren't thinking on both sides here.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Women are not convicted of any crime,they can deny visitation,use cs to support herself,etc.You KNOW this but you purposely avoided these facts it because you are a piece of garbage.Just like family court lawyers and judges.
whfmantis 3 years ago
wow you really are so witty, can't think of anything logical so you resort to name calling, i don't dispute that there are women that are les than ethical, my only arguement is that each party male and female know what consequences they face when they decide to have sex, so if you're grown enough to make that decision then you should be grown enough to be responsible for the consequences
njortega4781 3 years ago
njorta,MY argument is for females there are NO consequences,only rewards.Such as custody of child and a free paycheck.Only men face conseqeunces such as having half of your check stolen,license suspension,passport revoked,credit ruined,bank accounts frozen,do I make my point clear?Like I said you know this and you will not address it just like family court judges and lawyers will not address it.Which makes you a piece of garbage exactly like them.
whfmantis 3 years ago
Child neglect is frequently defined in terms of a failure to provide for a child's basic needs-deprivation of adequate food, clothing, shelter, supervision, or medical care (Salus). Poverty is defined as the state of not having enough money to take care of basic needs such as food, clothing, and housing. Therefore, if non-payment of child support causes children to live in poverty; the parent causing that poverty is committing child neglect. each person should be accountable male or femal
njortega4781 3 years ago
If thats the case,then there should be no child support.The court should just remove custody from the woman.Because she herself neglected to provide for the child.But we all know only the man is held accountable because he's the man and feminist law says that men should pay for everything.You feminist love playing the "innocent female victim" vs. "the evil man" card.People like you along with this corrupt gov't have done a great job destroying our children and our country.
whfmantis 3 years ago
i am really sorry that some woman did a number on you causing this profound bitterness. thou there is nothing wrong with it i am not a feminist. I simply believe in standing up to your responsibilities. no matter how many derogatory comments you make toward me i still believe the action of making a child is a conscious decision of both parties and thus is both their responsibility to ensure that child is properly taken care of
njortega4781 3 years ago
I am really sorry that you have no logical response to my argument.But instead you make assumptions about my personal life in order to avoid the real issues.Ive already told you that only the man is held responsible while the female get rewarded with a free check.If you really believe in your "standing up to your responsibilities" statement,you would be against child support,because women don't have to be responsible,just depend on the gov't for a free ride.
whfmantis 3 years ago
Well, if my assumptions in this area of your life are in correct, then you really have no business commenting on this situation, i have children whose father is suppose to pay support, i work 45+ hours a week, and am on no free ride from the govt, but i was not alone making these three children and feel he should not get to play fun daddy and not be financially responsible for these children
njortega4781 3 years ago
As a citizen of this facist country,the constitution says I have freedom of speech.I can comment on whatever subject I want.Further more my tax dollars are being used to finance this system of slavery.Why should I spend MY MONEY on YOUR CHOICES?You chose to be with that man,he did'nt FORCE YOU to have sex or children.So what gives you the right to FORCE him to pay you money?You working 45+hours a week is supposed to make me feel sorry for you?I work 40+hours a week also.Stop whining.
whfmantis 3 years ago
no one is whinning, i didn't force him into sex he knew what he was getting into, that is my major point, each individual is aware of what could possibly come from sex so if one does not want to stand up and be responsible for ALL possible outcomes then don't participate, and trust me i don't need or want your sympathies, and i asure you that your money has never paid for my choices
njortega4781 3 years ago
You must have the word huh?Even when you have no valid argument.Yes I am paying for your choices.I pay taxes to the federal gov't.The feds then pay money to your state gov't to run their cs scam.They use that money to track down your ex so he can pay you.The feds also match funds for each dollar collected from your ex.The gov't does this because they are greedy.They also know that you are not capable of pulling you own weight so they "give" you a handout.
whfmantis 3 years ago
i get no handouts, i have never recieved any sort of public assistance and because of a deadbeat dad i am pulling more than my own weight, and i too pay taxes so the way i see it i am paying for my own taxes
njortega4781 3 years ago
njort,You're just a typical feminist.Blaming you ex for your failures."Deadbeat dad" is feminist slang for:man not "giving" me money to make my life "easier".Your ex doesnt owe you a damn thing.I bet he wants to be a dad,but being a dad doesnt mean "giving" you money.Yes you do pay taxes,but the rest of us shouldnt have to pay for your failed marriage.
whfmantis 3 years ago
im with you whf, it seems to me they cant find a legit argument so they just seem to avoid the whole subject here.
1zzzzzzz1 3 years ago
Yep,they cant admit they're wrong so they just go away.
whfmantis 3 years ago
As long as we tell that to women when they are seeking an abortion, then fine. Otherwise, no go.
msmarinajb 3 years ago
Yes, this post is about parents, but not because I don't care about kids. Because I care about the selfish mothers who force fathers into parenthood and child support and wonder why they're bitter. Yea, that serves kids real well.
msmarinajb 3 years ago
great points msmarina
vermiciousk1 3 years ago
lol.good but i thought u were going 2 sing child support.I FELL ASLEEP DAMN!!!!
souljaboyzgf 3 years ago
Thank you Thank you Thank you...I was starting to be ashamed that I'm a woman! Of course men should financially help support their children, but, From what I've seen in life, there are way too many woman driving around in 60,000 dollar SUV's on 20's, because she has nickel and dimed the father to the point he can barely pay his own rent...it's ridiculous...the government needs to start making child support recipients take accountability for just exactly what the child support is being spent on.
RoseCityRose 3 years ago
Well, I'm not riding around on anything but NYC transportation. I would never go out of my way to make my ex's life miserable by constantly going to courts to increase child support.
natval1974 3 years ago
Men should only support the children that they wanted in the first place. Men shouldn't be made to pay for something they never wanted.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
then those men should be more careful where they lay their business, you idiotically thought i was saying birth control is meaningless, no, I am saying it is not only the woman's responsibility to look after , if a person makes the decision to have sex they should be ready for any possible outcome, and if they are not ready to face the outcomes then they should take the precautions to prevent said outcomes, not leave it up to their partner and then walk away when they don't like the outcome
njortega4781 3 years ago
nj, how can a man be responsible for sperm he has no control over? Once the woman voluntarily has sex and accepts the sperm, it becomes her property and her control. The man has no choices after that. She is the only one that can make life. Since women have choices, that means men should not be held liable if they didn't opt-in beforehand.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
do you mean to tell me men have not control over where they leave their sperm, it's not about the choices after the fact, but the choices before, you know what your getting into and the possiblity of having a child
njortega4781 3 years ago
nj, once women take the sperm, it's their property. They make the choices. Roe vs. Wade says they take care of anything that has to do with their bodies, and nobody else has any say. This being the case, they have all the responsibility of creating life. Ok? So no, men aren't responsible for life, because they don't create it.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
WELL SAID!!!!!i got a leech on me wanting me to pay for horses and karate classes for a kid that was forced upon me! when i clearly expressed my feelings about not being ready to be a parent...she gave me the its my choice crap and my body speech...yeah buts its my wallet she made HER decision on...now she does not work and keeps popping kids and complains that she needs more child support because she can work because she's taking care of other babies...wtf!?
taino1975 3 years ago
its 2008,marriage no marriage its all about responsabilities
curls1012 3 years ago
i agree with you 100%
njortega4781 3 years ago
It takes two!
curls1012 3 years ago
curls, it takes two for sex, but only one for a child.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Sister, that was wonderful. I wish more woman could hear and understand what you've said. Some woman, feel that if you have a corperate job and are not thugged out that you are a sucker. That you can be played and they can get payed. All the brothers need to careful out here. Thanks again sis!
7183006711 3 years ago
I feel that child support should be paid but having allot of boundaries on the amount that should be court ordered to pay. If the mother isn't working and isn't actively seeking employment they shouldn't even get (court ordered) child support if they're fully capable of working. If they are working (full-time) they should recieve 20% of the mans pay after taxes. For the men that think the baby mama's are dead beats get custudy and try your damn hardest to prove they are dead beats.
rufusblue2003 3 years ago
finally a sensible response, if you don't approve of how the child support is being handled take support of your kids, and i agree if a woman is unemployed and not standing up to her responsibilities, the man should not be punished
njortega4781 3 years ago
child support is not about the children , it's all about money !!
child support is nothing but a worthless , mindless ,scam run by nothing but idiots !!
put the real criminals in jail , the lazy ones that collect the checks are the deadbeats !! get a job !!
billcountry 3 years ago 3
bill, you've got it. See my videos on child support.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Beautiful video. You have hit the nail right on the head. Men don't have a problem with child support. They have a problem with the disgusting treatment they receive. 10 stars.
StinkyKnobcheese 3 years ago 3
Stinky, actually, yes, men DO have a problem with child support, when they are asked to pay for something they never wanted. If they did want it, then perhaps they wouldn't mind. However, I'm sure men would be happier if the government kept out of things.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Oh I totally agree with you. I was working on the assumption that both parents wanted the child/children.
I would have big problems paying it if I did not want the child.
StinkyKnobcheese 3 years ago
every person that has sex and does not take precautions expect a freakin baby dumbass, stand up and take care of your responsibilities
njortega4781 3 years ago
njort, so, birth control is meaningless for women? abortion is doesn't exist? Use your brain, you idiot.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
what's up ru paul
d3v07 3 years ago
There is a need for legal reform to plug a lot of the holes that some women have abused. The the purpose of the law is justice, equity and fairness, but that does not seem to be the case...Read "The Tyranny of Tolerance by Judge Robert H Dierker Jr"
kwannajoseph 3 years ago
I agree with a lot of the arguments you put forward. As a man I believe a person has to support their child..but the way the court does this sometimes or even in a lot of cases you hear its very clear that the law has become an instrument of INJUSTICE to men in more cases than to women.
kwannajoseph 3 years ago
Thanks, but listen carefully. I am in no way suggesting that someone should get to decide they don't want to support the child, say after the relationship goes bad, women can't and men should not be able to either. I'm saying at 14 weeks gestation, or what ever the abortion limit is, he ought to be abot to opt out, of all responsibility. One shot, non-revocable deal, just like an abortion.
msmarinajb 3 years ago
Yes,the man suffers the consequences and the woman gets tax-free money for 18 years.Woman gets rewarded for being irresponsible with her body.
whfmantis 3 years ago 3
It takes two to be irresponsible.
natval1974 3 years ago
natval, it takes one to have a child.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
Actually, it took 2 my ex-husband and I. We both wanted the children and the fact that we are not together is irrelevant because the children are still priority and have to be taken care of physically, financially and spiritually.
natval1974 3 years ago
on the amount why should they child live w/ just enough when the parent can afford to give them more than just enough they didn't ask to be here being a child of a single mother that did it on her own and at one time a single parent myself i know the struggle i have gladly taken on my responsibilities even thou they were not part of the plan i had for my life both parents should gladly do the same and if you are in a position to give your child more than just the necessities then damn well do so
njortega4781 3 years ago
njor, Well, why did the woman have a child if she knew she'd be struggling? Shouldn't you be off in some form talking to women about making better choices?
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
That is BULL SHIT if he was willing to lay down and stick his dick in her then he should be just as willing to pay for the consequences that follow. These men aren't being forced, they make a conscious decision to have sex, therefore they have no right to abandon a woman after they feel they're done.
cordia17 3 years ago
That is true. I told my ex-husband you have the right to walk out on me, but you do NOT have the right to walk out on them and your responsibilites to them.
natval1974 3 years ago
nataval, I do agree with you. I am NOT, I repeat NOT speaking of married, or otherwise committed couples who have decided to have children together getting to "dump" their children later when the relationship ends, HELL NO. I am talking ONLY a choice within the window that a woman can terminate a pregnancy, nothing more.
msmarinajb 3 years ago
cord, now you're full of shit. Since when does sex create a child? It doesn't. Only gestation does. Women don't have to be a parent for having sex - so why should men? You're a fuckin dimwit.
Mushinronjya 3 years ago
is your hair real?
LowLowSpinners 3 years ago
Real, yes. Store bough, also yes.
msmarinajb 3 years ago
Women have been known to use men for piggy banks. It's the same as stealing not only the money but the child from the father. The father has to spend thousands for child support which ensures he can not fight in court to get equal/ custody wrights.
Dejavu12321 3 years ago 3
shes sexy and right.
gotagetchaa1 3 years ago
Wow a real woman for once!!! Bravo!!!!Thank you!!!
dbdfanman 3 years ago 2