God v the Multi Verse. Dennis Prager Ultimate Issues Hour

[AfterFauve001]

if there are universes with completely different laws and rules - then to what extent are those rules different - do the laws of natural selection and growth apply ? - how does something change from state to state? are there steady state universes? how can a scientist apply the laws and rules of this universe to another universe?

[ivjdivfjalekvvjp]

Dennis, please tell us why you didn't run for president. You could seriously be the next Reagan.

[zaracyn]

The problem with the multiverse hypothesis is that it kicks can down the road and puts those who adhere to it in even more hot water. Why? Despite their assertion that this explanation removes God from the equation, in actuality, it puts more weight on the fine tuning issue than ever! It does not, in any way preclude God from choosing that perfect universe out of the sea of multiverse and putting us in it.

[ivjdivfjalekvvjp]

@zaracyn Absolutely.  And the Borde Guth Vilenkin theorem poved that the mulvi verse itself had to have a beginning.

[csaver]

Unless it can be shown that Strong Force can be something other than Strong Force, then there is no fine tuning.

Unless it can be shown that Weak Force can be something other than Weak Force, then there is no fine tuning.

Unless it can be shown that Electromagnetic Force can be something other than Electromagnetic Force, then there is no fine tuning.

Unless it can be shown that Gravity can be something other than Gravity, then there is no fine tuning.

This argument is bunk.

[csaver]

Of course the universe is eternal. There was no time that the universe didn't exist.

[HayPennie]

@csaver Wrong. Scientists now know that the universe is not infinite, but had a definite beginning and will have a definite end. They even know it's approximate age - only 12 to 14 billion years. All this fascinating stuff is very easy to look up and read about my friend.

[OWC2000]

Fine tuning does not occur, it just is and it is ass backwards logic. To suggest that this universe was made 14.7 billion years ago for mankind to suddenly appear 100,000 years ago is ridiculous.

FYI the Cern collider could well show the existence of other dimensions in a few years..

[OWC2000]

The fine tuning argument is bogus. Taking 'laws of physics' which are tools used to understand the universe, and using these tools as evidence for a deity is ridiculous. These laws are not rigid facts and subject to change.

It is wrong to say the universe has a beginning only that this version of the universe had a beginning.

Yes there is reason to believe in a multi-verse. The strength of gravity is such that it suggest that it exists in multiple dimensions.