I'm only 6'2" i'll take you on cosmx. Why on earth are you putting up your stats, does it make you feel strong? Besides it's neo-con and thats only usually thrown around by leftist. Most people don't know what true neo-cons are.
HEY THERE DUMBASS! Hope and Change. You misunderstood. He said ROPES and CHAINS! You hate wasteful Spending. Well thanks god OBAMA is in office. Hows that working out for ya? Over 4 million Americans are unemployed. Just like Obama putting people into office while congress was on break. Idiots like you said "well Bush did the same thing, Bush did the same thing" NO SHIT. So you have now proved that OBAMA is NO BETTER than BUSH! POINT PROVEN. Your a complete and utter RETARD!
It's all a matter of perception the way we see things. You see me as a Noe-con. I see myself as a middle of the road guy. True I'm probably much more aggressive than you, due to my natural testosterone levels about 850 but it has made me 6'5 235 lbs. and lean.
Instead of bad mouthing you I should feel some sorrow on your behalf. After all it's probably hard to be 5' tall with such a wise mouth and nothing but a camera to release and ease the pain. I bet you were a punching bag in school! sad
Hehe. Says the guy behind a near anonymous account. Why don't you at least post a picture of a body builder on your account to try to scare me a little. Try out Google, its easy!!
And I thank you for making my point Cosmx. Your own intellectual dishonesty (or in your case it may be delusion) is a shining example neo-con thinking.
Let me put it another way, your a fool. You say what a great American you are and how you love the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. That's funny ... you want to silence Mr. Voight for exercising his freedom of speech by having him arrested.. wow that's a little backwards from what you just said. I suggest you hire Mr Gibbs to explain that one for you. The funny thing about liberals is that there are always 2 sets of rules...and you just showed how true that is.....thanks for making my point
In typical ignorant bully fashion you have deliberately put words into my mouth with no regard for what I have written or said.
1)Im not trying to 'silence' Voight, I am repeating what he said and I give a rebuttal. (Unlike you trying to threaten me into 'shutting the fuck up'.)
2)I don't want him arrested; I say how I love the Bill of Rights that gives him the right to spew hate filled ignorance and NOT be arrested.
Well I will not be taking your advice. Unlike you I love America and fully support the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Debate and understanding of issues is good for America as it is any democratic political system. Its a testament to our liberty that a nut like Jon Voight can spew his misinformed hate and not be arrested. Something that people like you do not understand or appreciate.
Stick with your Fox and friends and you may never need to think again. Lucky you.
I got to say I love him. It is scary just how right a president can be (after Bush, I was thinking 50/50 was a good target to shoot for).
Borrowing so much to get us out of the hold dug for us by greed and incompetents is a price that must be paid. It may be fun to burn down your house, but it is still going to cost you something if you want to stay dry in the rain.
Welcome to the real world were you don't get something for nothing.
So, when you have no house left to burn down, will you still love him?
Back in 2000, I used to think like you - borrow money to get out of the hole I found myself in. By 2004, I had lost my home, my wife, my kids, and even my dog. Now I live alone in an appartment, and I won't be out of debt until I'm 62. If I buy a house now on a 30yr mortgage, I'll be paying for that until I'm 74.
Being in debt is being a slave to your creditors. Who is Obama making into our slave masters? China.
You don't think much like me really, I own my house, cars, and everything else debt free. I payed off my school loans in 2 years. The problem is that unlike me, the government has messed up their house and now it needs to be fixed.
Look at history, the Great Depression and the lesser known depression that proceeded that one. They did not act aggressivley enough and we had decades of unemployment and poverty. Lets learn from history rather then repeat it based on some failed ideology.
You got your wish didn't you? I am amazed you haven't taken this video down now that you know Obama is killing America. If you say you don't know Obama is killing America, then you are lying. or as I like to call it, PULLING AN OBAMA. Oh yea, and I like Obama because I would love to have a totalitarian machine telling me what to do.
Vigilante? Whatever... are you seriously saying you are content with the current situation and/or change that Obama has brought? Would this change you speak of be changing American soldiers from one battle field to another or would it be the trillion dollars that no one, ESPECIALLY YOU can show where it is or where it went. Is this the intelligent change you claim Obama has brought us? Can you show me ANYTHING that he's done to change anything for the better?
this video is pointless your views are too do something better like play Vigilante 2....there's the xbox 360 or even ps3 ....America Stands for Liberty and Freedom too...Jon Voight spoke not to please the crowd or get ratings like you're trying to do ...I stand by what he says and I admire those that stand to tell the truth...
is this a joke? wow this guy is Really stupid! shame on you buddy! you got to go back to school.! Not a single statement was really backed up with facts.! totally junk.! you made spende 1o minutes of my lovely life. i hate you! -.-
bunch of freaks lol so many retards in the states, gives me an idea I should go for the american dream, I will open a business in usa I will make a fortune out providing all us citizen big paper bags to put on their head so that no one reconize them when they travel the world , see i would be a shame as well if i were you .. so do you think I have a chance of making big bucks in the US and become a Bill Gaze lol or maybe i could be in one of your great comedie movie there's hope wow.. freaks
Ok, let me try to get what you are saying here: According to you, and Voight, the chances Obama would make would only have negative effects.
That is a retarded logic, did you ever think that it is the BAD things he want to change for the good?
Btw, this Mccain/Obama thing...I don´t really care, i don´t live in the country. If you americans want to dig your own grave, that is fine with me. I stay out of politics because it is all a big JOKE.
The FACTS are that Obama surrounded himself and was educated by Socialist and Marxist - A FACT - not speculation. His Socialist and Marxist ideas and philosophies are a corruption of logical intelligent thought that has been destroying the education system in America. People are not afraid of education, but those who have been corrupted by illogical "feeling based" thought processess. "Everyone else use your brain and vote for ....."
You are right, Jon Voight did stop taking his meds, you can tell by the way he's making sense, no longer drugged up like the hippie liberals who run Hollywood.
Do you mean "define"? And in your previous post "your a dumbass" Should be "you're a dumbass." Perhaps you should get a little more book learnin.' Ya fegire?
If you really believe Obama is going to revert America back to what the founders wanted, you're sadly mistaken. O has never done anything substantial in his life and certainly hasn't tried to do the things he now touts.He's a Marxist and so is his wife. I just love how you liberal moonbats go off the deep end when an actor educates himself and is concerned for his country.Our enemies support him.You liberals have been programmed through the network propaganda,etc. and can't think 4 yourselves.
233 bills concerning Health Care; 125 bills concerning Poverty and Public Assistance; 112 bills regarding crime, corrections and the death penalty; 97 bills on the economy; 62 bills related to education; 60 bills on Civil and Human rights; 35 bills concerning Infrastructure and Public Works; 21 bills on Ethics; 21 Bills on the environment; 15 on gun control; and 37 others. you conservatives need to turn off the fox news. Marxist? are you kidding? Let's talk Fascism.
you sure are programmed yourself, using the words 'Marxist' and 'liberal' as if it were terms of abuse ... you 2 should start thinking for yourself - i know you really think you are , but really you're not
A Marxist. You are too funny! I am amazed that you terrified fearful right wingers can seriously believe that Sarah Palin could be the future President. And that John McCain who now looks pathetic parroting the same things over and over is really any hope for this country? When did the U.S. become so fearful of the educated?
Socialism and Communism are not the same philosophies. It takes real education to understand that. Something you obviously don't have. Sorry, failed again. Maybe there is another mindless conservative label you can try.
As a college professor I will match my understanding of social policy with yours any day. What aspects of "socialism are you against?" Are you going to had back your Medicare check when you are sixty-five. Didn't think so.
I assume what you said was, "Are you going to give back your Medicare check when you are sixty-five."
I'll simply start with, I paid into it. why should I give it back?
Lets look at your home, it has value, you paid for it. My contributions to Medicare over my life have value, don't they? Then if I am expected to share my contributions to Medicare as you willing to share your home with the needy? I didn't think so.
And your conservative "logic" as always is non-existent. So you paid into it just as you did social security (another socialistic concept). Just as you "pay into" the cost for every uninsured person who enters a hospital and receives. What's the problem? The concept a little too abstract for your "black and white" conservative mind? And the "assume" comment referring to my typo....how ELITIST of you.
When someone goes into the hospital and doesn't have insurance, do they receive care? Yes. Do they receive a bill, yes. If that bill isn't paid the hospital takes a write-off. That sir, a cost of doing business. As a result some of that is transfered to cost of services. That is capitalism, I only pay higher price when I actually use the hospital.
Socialism begins when I have to pay for those services without using them. I figured you being a professor actually understood economics.
The bill for the uninsured hospital patient ultimately comes out of our pocket in many ways. That's why I support a single payer health care system, (which you would probably call Marxist, socialist, or some other "scary right wing term," And to say that "socialism begins when.." Primary socialized services are fire and police department. If your house doesn't burn down, do you rant and rave because you paid into a fund that saved someone else's house? That is socialistic!
Yes, Social Security is a socialist tenement. And I don't count on it. I save my money and plan for my future as if it won't ever come. The SS system is broke.
SS is another tax I am forced to pay for at gunpoint. Pay it or go to jail.
I really don't have issue helping people who really need it but the system is abused by those who prefer lazy over productivity.
Lazy should not be rewarded.
Aren't you the hypocrite, you just corrected a guy for his grammar, are you elitist as well?
If you would call me a hypocrite for correcting the foul and illiterate rants of someone. Then so be it, I am an elitist, and rather proud of the education I have. Thanks!
Non-existent as always? That is a self-contradictory and self-defeated sentence.
Don't forget, social security, insurance..
Now here's what probably wraps around your arrogant brain that is probably so filled with self indulgence you can't really stuff facts into it. That's okay, we'll toss out some of the junk it's retaining.
By paying for socialized healthcare we are responsible for even the irresponsible.
What seems totally beyond your grasp is that WE are already responsible for the insured. Is this what you mean by the "irresponsible?" Why do you suppose that out of ALL the industrialized nations in the world, the U.S. is one of only two that do not have a single payer health care system? And if you start blabbering about 'better care'. how would you explain that there is no difference in mortality rates between the U.S. and Canada? Second, we rank 27th in infant mortality.
Mortality is caused for a variety of reasons, irresponsibility in living is one of them. Think of AIDs, it's a largely preventable disease when it comes to sexuality, but people continue in promiscuity until an unfortunate incident comes up.
Drunk driving; people don't seem to learn from history very well..
Myriads of examples, I do not want to fund the irresponsible people, I am expensive enough.
If it is passed, you will contribute to my contribution of a billion dollars in health care.
Yet national mortality rates are used throughout the world to gauge the success of a health care system. Do you believe Canadians don't have sex or drive under the influence? If you research this you will find out that less money is spent in a single payer system due to the reduction of repetitive billing and paper shuffling. Under McCain's plan your healthcare benefits will be taxed for the first time in history. Also single payer health enables a more proactive that reactive stance.
Yeah, I'm not seeing social security work out so well especially with an unconstitutional incompetent government running, and organizing the system now.
I loved Ron Pauls passion and respect for the Constitution, and he has been right on about economics, but what held me back was some disagreements with him on foreign affairs though. Yet at the same time I agreed with him that the war should have been dealt with quickly.
Quick, brutal, and victory. We have been wayy too politically correct on this war costing too much on lives and resources. I think it can still be resolved, but we need to cut pork, and haste.
The concept that scholars "read a few books" really demontrates great ignorance, and is almost always a statement made by the uneducated. Those who find anything less than simple black and white thinking threatening always find refuge in this attack. Thanks for your tip on sentence structure. I will use your articulate statements as my template.
I don't care about how properly structured your contents are on the internet as long as it is coherent. Other than that, formality isn't a necessity to me.
"Read a 'few' books" is just a rushed statement not to be literal on the number.
I love this guys sarcasm
KMAN6000 1 year ago
I'm only 6'2" i'll take you on cosmx. Why on earth are you putting up your stats, does it make you feel strong? Besides it's neo-con and thats only usually thrown around by leftist. Most people don't know what true neo-cons are.
conard3 1 year ago
HEY THERE DUMBASS! Hope and Change. You misunderstood. He said ROPES and CHAINS! You hate wasteful Spending. Well thanks god OBAMA is in office. Hows that working out for ya? Over 4 million Americans are unemployed. Just like Obama putting people into office while congress was on break. Idiots like you said "well Bush did the same thing, Bush did the same thing" NO SHIT. So you have now proved that OBAMA is NO BETTER than BUSH! POINT PROVEN. Your a complete and utter RETARD!
svancejr 1 year ago
Vigilantes UNITE!!!!!
teddybruscie 1 year ago 2
That's not john voit, that's a fag.
grunt11b 2 years ago
It's all a matter of perception the way we see things. You see me as a Noe-con. I see myself as a middle of the road guy. True I'm probably much more aggressive than you, due to my natural testosterone levels about 850 but it has made me 6'5 235 lbs. and lean.
Instead of bad mouthing you I should feel some sorrow on your behalf. After all it's probably hard to be 5' tall with such a wise mouth and nothing but a camera to release and ease the pain. I bet you were a punching bag in school! sad
Cosmx 2 years ago
Hehe. Says the guy behind a near anonymous account. Why don't you at least post a picture of a body builder on your account to try to scare me a little. Try out Google, its easy!!
TheVigilante2000 2 years ago
A little man with little clout.
Cosmx 2 years ago
And I thank you for making my point Cosmx. Your own intellectual dishonesty (or in your case it may be delusion) is a shining example neo-con thinking.
TheVigilante2000 2 years ago
Let me put it another way, your a fool. You say what a great American you are and how you love the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. That's funny ... you want to silence Mr. Voight for exercising his freedom of speech by having him arrested.. wow that's a little backwards from what you just said. I suggest you hire Mr Gibbs to explain that one for you. The funny thing about liberals is that there are always 2 sets of rules...and you just showed how true that is.....thanks for making my point
Cosmx 2 years ago
In typical ignorant bully fashion you have deliberately put words into my mouth with no regard for what I have written or said.
1)Im not trying to 'silence' Voight, I am repeating what he said and I give a rebuttal. (Unlike you trying to threaten me into 'shutting the fuck up'.)
2)I don't want him arrested; I say how I love the Bill of Rights that gives him the right to spew hate filled ignorance and NOT be arrested.
TheVigilante2000 2 years ago
Your a jerk off. I advise you shut the fuck up next time you feel the urge to spew your crap.
See how wrong you were.....your next video should be with your head in a trash compactor!
By the way Jon Voight is a professional with way more accomplishments than you, I'm just guessing by the lavish decor behind you.
Also...If I ever see you in the street I hope you shoot your mouth off...
Cosmx 2 years ago
Well I will not be taking your advice. Unlike you I love America and fully support the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Debate and understanding of issues is good for America as it is any democratic political system. Its a testament to our liberty that a nut like Jon Voight can spew his misinformed hate and not be arrested. Something that people like you do not understand or appreciate.
Stick with your Fox and friends and you may never need to think again. Lucky you.
TheVigilante2000 2 years ago
how do you like him now?
apparently having this video still up shows that you love getting screwed
Robert697 2 years ago
I got to say I love him. It is scary just how right a president can be (after Bush, I was thinking 50/50 was a good target to shoot for).
Borrowing so much to get us out of the hold dug for us by greed and incompetents is a price that must be paid. It may be fun to burn down your house, but it is still going to cost you something if you want to stay dry in the rain.
Welcome to the real world were you don't get something for nothing.
TheVigilante2000 2 years ago
So, when you have no house left to burn down, will you still love him?
Back in 2000, I used to think like you - borrow money to get out of the hole I found myself in. By 2004, I had lost my home, my wife, my kids, and even my dog. Now I live alone in an appartment, and I won't be out of debt until I'm 62. If I buy a house now on a 30yr mortgage, I'll be paying for that until I'm 74.
Being in debt is being a slave to your creditors. Who is Obama making into our slave masters? China.
Robert697 2 years ago
You don't think much like me really, I own my house, cars, and everything else debt free. I payed off my school loans in 2 years. The problem is that unlike me, the government has messed up their house and now it needs to be fixed.
Look at history, the Great Depression and the lesser known depression that proceeded that one. They did not act aggressivley enough and we had decades of unemployment and poverty. Lets learn from history rather then repeat it based on some failed ideology.
TheVigilante2000 2 years ago
your sick!
whuitecloud24 2 years ago
"I want it to be $350,000".
You got your wish didn't you? I am amazed you haven't taken this video down now that you know Obama is killing America. If you say you don't know Obama is killing America, then you are lying. or as I like to call it, PULLING AN OBAMA. Oh yea, and I like Obama because I would love to have a totalitarian machine telling me what to do.
Yldii 2 years ago 2
Vigilante? Whatever... are you seriously saying you are content with the current situation and/or change that Obama has brought? Would this change you speak of be changing American soldiers from one battle field to another or would it be the trillion dollars that no one, ESPECIALLY YOU can show where it is or where it went. Is this the intelligent change you claim Obama has brought us? Can you show me ANYTHING that he's done to change anything for the better?
Vigilante, you have the floor...
Mixman77 2 years ago
True story.
thelatestttplague 2 years ago
voight is a mental midget....his daughter figured it out.
cinderellamannn 2 years ago
Mental midgets are the sheep that follow Obama.
HokiesAndDawgs 2 years ago 4
this video is pointless your views are too do something better like play Vigilante 2....there's the xbox 360 or even ps3 ....America Stands for Liberty and Freedom too...Jon Voight spoke not to please the crowd or get ratings like you're trying to do ...I stand by what he says and I admire those that stand to tell the truth...
wesblood007 2 years ago
John Voight has become a right wing myopic torture loving asss. I will speak out against Voight and go out of my way to dis his movies.
zoarmonkey 2 years ago
youtube, a place where retards can make stupid retarded videos.
victorsblock 3 years ago 6
hah i hated you at first, then i realized you were being sarcastic haha.....
good video
gazillionandone19 3 years ago 2
Didn't he appear in Transformers as the Defense Secretary
ND7652 3 years ago
Exactly!
VigilanteVideoGames 3 years ago
is this a joke? wow this guy is Really stupid! shame on you buddy! you got to go back to school.! Not a single statement was really backed up with facts.! totally junk.! you made spende 1o minutes of my lovely life. i hate you! -.-
ismael22089 3 years ago
Almost funny. Please don't tell me anyone relies on you for employment. Please don't tell me you have kids to pay college tuition for.
Please tell me you support abortion. I would hate for those genes to get any further into the pool.
Have a nice day.
eaxxdotcom 3 years ago
bunch of freaks lol so many retards in the states, gives me an idea I should go for the american dream, I will open a business in usa I will make a fortune out providing all us citizen big paper bags to put on their head so that no one reconize them when they travel the world , see i would be a shame as well if i were you .. so do you think I have a chance of making big bucks in the US and become a Bill Gaze lol or maybe i could be in one of your great comedie movie there's hope wow.. freaks
universtef 3 years ago
Like the French are somehow superior? Please do not call on us when Putin come rolling in.
eaxxdotcom 3 years ago
McCain/Palin 2008!!!!!!!!!
jesusislord7777777 3 years ago
HAHAHAHA LOOK AT YOUR NAME! SAYS IT ALL NO NEED TO REDICULE YOU, YOU DO IT YOURSELf!
jootai 3 years ago
what a redneck
kvj1989 3 years ago
Ok, let me try to get what you are saying here: According to you, and Voight, the chances Obama would make would only have negative effects.
That is a retarded logic, did you ever think that it is the BAD things he want to change for the good?
Btw, this Mccain/Obama thing...I don´t really care, i don´t live in the country. If you americans want to dig your own grave, that is fine with me. I stay out of politics because it is all a big JOKE.
A fucking popularity contest. That is all.
emufan23 3 years ago
The FACTS are that Obama surrounded himself and was educated by Socialist and Marxist - A FACT - not speculation. His Socialist and Marxist ideas and philosophies are a corruption of logical intelligent thought that has been destroying the education system in America. People are not afraid of education, but those who have been corrupted by illogical "feeling based" thought processess. "Everyone else use your brain and vote for ....."
NeOne314 3 years ago
educated? Democrats?
jvschuck 3 years ago
Yes. Specifically, more educated then conservatives. If you care to buck the trend and get yourself a little info on the subject you can start with:
The Effects of Education on Political Opinions: An International Study
David L. Weakliem
David L. Weakliem is associate professor of sociology at the University of Connecticut.
Address correspondence to David Weakliem, Dept. of Sociology, University of Connecticut, Unit 2068, Storrs, CT 06269,
TheVigilante2000 3 years ago
shutup retard
glade1 3 years ago
Took too long to get to the point. I thought I was about to be offended until you made the sarcasm apparent. That being said, it was mildly amusing.
hueseph 3 years ago 2
Youre right. The hold thing is too long, but once I started on all the un-American stuff Obama wants to do I just couldnt stop. :)
TheVigilante2000 3 years ago
dude shut the _____ up you dum___
101PrettyPride101 3 years ago
fuck off no one cares
Tbros258 3 years ago
You are right, Jon Voight did stop taking his meds, you can tell by the way he's making sense, no longer drugged up like the hippie liberals who run Hollywood.
gchain73 3 years ago
btw.. your a dumbass and your face scares my 4 year old sister <.<
kyolamere 3 years ago
your language should scare your daughter as well. why not just stay polite? it's easy, you should try it sometime.
GrenouilleOnline 3 years ago 6
I bet her reading level is on par with yours...
trinitymike 3 years ago
difine american...
kyolamere 3 years ago
Do you mean "define"? And in your previous post "your a dumbass" Should be "you're a dumbass." Perhaps you should get a little more book learnin.' Ya fegire?
pembroke2 3 years ago
His opinion is different than mine! Lets blacklist him!
Now thats change to believe in.
jetriot 3 years ago
You are soooo un-american
Renagade70 3 years ago
Jon Voight needs a dose of reality (or something)...The change Obama is talking about (IMO) is an old one:
"and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
wow, what a concept.
good video, I like satire.
razberryberet 3 years ago
If you really believe Obama is going to revert America back to what the founders wanted, you're sadly mistaken. O has never done anything substantial in his life and certainly hasn't tried to do the things he now touts.He's a Marxist and so is his wife. I just love how you liberal moonbats go off the deep end when an actor educates himself and is concerned for his country.Our enemies support him.You liberals have been programmed through the network propaganda,etc. and can't think 4 yourselves.
mandogrizz 3 years ago
Substantial?
Sponsored:
233 bills concerning Health Care; 125 bills concerning Poverty and Public Assistance; 112 bills regarding crime, corrections and the death penalty; 97 bills on the economy; 62 bills related to education; 60 bills on Civil and Human rights; 35 bills concerning Infrastructure and Public Works; 21 bills on Ethics; 21 Bills on the environment; 15 on gun control; and 37 others. you conservatives need to turn off the fox news. Marxist? are you kidding? Let's talk Fascism.
razberryberet 3 years ago 3
you sure are programmed yourself, using the words 'Marxist' and 'liberal' as if it were terms of abuse ... you 2 should start thinking for yourself - i know you really think you are , but really you're not
GrenouilleOnline 3 years ago
A Marxist. You are too funny! I am amazed that you terrified fearful right wingers can seriously believe that Sarah Palin could be the future President. And that John McCain who now looks pathetic parroting the same things over and over is really any hope for this country? When did the U.S. become so fearful of the educated?
pembroke2 3 years ago
Yes, Obama is a socialist communist. It takes education to understand that. As well as sense, something Liberals lack in this day-in-age.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
Socialism and Communism are not the same philosophies. It takes real education to understand that. Something you obviously don't have. Sorry, failed again. Maybe there is another mindless conservative label you can try.
pembroke2 3 years ago
No you failed.
Socialism is an important component for it to work. Like Winston Churchill said..
But who cares to understand that anymore?
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
As a college professor I will match my understanding of social policy with yours any day. What aspects of "socialism are you against?" Are you going to had back your Medicare check when you are sixty-five. Didn't think so.
pembroke2 3 years ago
I will have at it with you.
I assume what you said was, "Are you going to give back your Medicare check when you are sixty-five."
I'll simply start with, I paid into it. why should I give it back?
Lets look at your home, it has value, you paid for it. My contributions to Medicare over my life have value, don't they? Then if I am expected to share my contributions to Medicare as you willing to share your home with the needy? I didn't think so.
Your liberal logic is flawed.
eaxxdotcom 3 years ago
And your conservative "logic" as always is non-existent. So you paid into it just as you did social security (another socialistic concept). Just as you "pay into" the cost for every uninsured person who enters a hospital and receives. What's the problem? The concept a little too abstract for your "black and white" conservative mind? And the "assume" comment referring to my typo....how ELITIST of you.
pembroke2 3 years ago
When someone goes into the hospital and doesn't have insurance, do they receive care? Yes. Do they receive a bill, yes. If that bill isn't paid the hospital takes a write-off. That sir, a cost of doing business. As a result some of that is transfered to cost of services. That is capitalism, I only pay higher price when I actually use the hospital.
Socialism begins when I have to pay for those services without using them. I figured you being a professor actually understood economics.
eaxxdotcom 3 years ago
The bill for the uninsured hospital patient ultimately comes out of our pocket in many ways. That's why I support a single payer health care system, (which you would probably call Marxist, socialist, or some other "scary right wing term," And to say that "socialism begins when.." Primary socialized services are fire and police department. If your house doesn't burn down, do you rant and rave because you paid into a fund that saved someone else's house? That is socialistic!
pembroke2 3 years ago
Yes, Social Security is a socialist tenement. And I don't count on it. I save my money and plan for my future as if it won't ever come. The SS system is broke.
SS is another tax I am forced to pay for at gunpoint. Pay it or go to jail.
I really don't have issue helping people who really need it but the system is abused by those who prefer lazy over productivity.
Lazy should not be rewarded.
Aren't you the hypocrite, you just corrected a guy for his grammar, are you elitist as well?
eaxxdotcom 3 years ago
If you would call me a hypocrite for correcting the foul and illiterate rants of someone. Then so be it, I am an elitist, and rather proud of the education I have. Thanks!
pembroke2 3 years ago
Non-existent as always? That is a self-contradictory and self-defeated sentence.
Don't forget, social security, insurance..
Now here's what probably wraps around your arrogant brain that is probably so filled with self indulgence you can't really stuff facts into it. That's okay, we'll toss out some of the junk it's retaining.
By paying for socialized healthcare we are responsible for even the irresponsible.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
What seems totally beyond your grasp is that WE are already responsible for the insured. Is this what you mean by the "irresponsible?" Why do you suppose that out of ALL the industrialized nations in the world, the U.S. is one of only two that do not have a single payer health care system? And if you start blabbering about 'better care'. how would you explain that there is no difference in mortality rates between the U.S. and Canada? Second, we rank 27th in infant mortality.
pembroke2 3 years ago
Mortality is caused for a variety of reasons, irresponsibility in living is one of them. Think of AIDs, it's a largely preventable disease when it comes to sexuality, but people continue in promiscuity until an unfortunate incident comes up.
Drunk driving; people don't seem to learn from history very well..
Myriads of examples, I do not want to fund the irresponsible people, I am expensive enough.
If it is passed, you will contribute to my contribution of a billion dollars in health care.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
Yet national mortality rates are used throughout the world to gauge the success of a health care system. Do you believe Canadians don't have sex or drive under the influence? If you research this you will find out that less money is spent in a single payer system due to the reduction of repetitive billing and paper shuffling. Under McCain's plan your healthcare benefits will be taxed for the first time in history. Also single payer health enables a more proactive that reactive stance.
pembroke2 3 years ago
As someone who is annoyed by scholarly snob attitude because they read a few books. I am against socialism. That's just what I am against. Get it?
Can you as a professor structure your question a little better?
Which part of socialism are you for? Which part do you like? And why?
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
Yeah, I'm not seeing social security work out so well especially with an unconstitutional incompetent government running, and organizing the system now.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
Are you against socialism for the rich, the $750 billion dollar bail out?
gregspencewolf 3 years ago
Yeah. Is McBama? Apparently wasn't..
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
At least you're consistent
Are you a Ron paul supporter?
gregspencewolf 3 years ago
I think overall I supported him.
I loved Ron Pauls passion and respect for the Constitution, and he has been right on about economics, but what held me back was some disagreements with him on foreign affairs though. Yet at the same time I agreed with him that the war should have been dealt with quickly.
Quick, brutal, and victory. We have been wayy too politically correct on this war costing too much on lives and resources. I think it can still be resolved, but we need to cut pork, and haste.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
The concept that scholars "read a few books" really demontrates great ignorance, and is almost always a statement made by the uneducated. Those who find anything less than simple black and white thinking threatening always find refuge in this attack. Thanks for your tip on sentence structure. I will use your articulate statements as my template.
pembroke2 3 years ago
I don't care about how properly structured your contents are on the internet as long as it is coherent. Other than that, formality isn't a necessity to me.
"Read a 'few' books" is just a rushed statement not to be literal on the number.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago