@zpabbasi (sorry if i spelled that wrong) the reason those notes appear in multiple places is because you are going up octaves. After you play the notes abcdefg in a scale, the next note would be a again. So, it's showing how high or low the a is, since the piano has maybe seven different a's. If you go up the staff, you'd see that the order is gfedcbagfedcba and so on. Hope that helped! :)
ok ur such a great teacher... but please kinda show us propperly how to play the songs im lost with the happy birthday cuz ur hand in way hahahaha i sound so cranky sorry!! happy very late birthday!
I use Every Good Boy Does Fine and Good Boys Do Fine Always, similar to your mnemonics. Thank you for the video series, very helpful! BTW Happy Birthday!
Ive never played piano in my life--but i do have a keyboard--i play the flute--and i use my knowledge from that and learning the names of all the keys to play some songs--but only with my left hand--hopefully i will be able to learn how to incorperate the left hand :D
I think you're a great teacher and I've had to teach myself what I know so I've learned really slow. Watching you teach it is really helpful to fill in the gaps. I'm looking forward to the other lessons!
Thank you so much Andrew so posting these videos, I am sure learning alot. And wow, a happy birthday song, perfect, cause my birthday is coming up in just 6 days =D thanks again
OMGoodness. Thanx so much. I've been preparing and today was my first day playing. I did very well. Thank you. Your videos are a ton of help. Awesome teacher :D
I just started Saturday and I'm clearly on your lesson 4.. Well 5 now, but whatever! So yeah, I'm really learning a lot and I enjoy your positive attitude about it! Saturday I only knew the key C and didn't put it together that it could go up and down from C, but now I can play chords and scales and kinda understand what sheet music is telling me, and it's just wonderful! I can't afford a piano teacher (well my parents can, but they don't want to) so thank you thank you thank you! :)
ok question. i play guitar too, and i know that theres an easier way to read guitar music, and its called tab. just wondering if there's something like that for piano. like something that would make it easier ro read and write the music.
Haha it was a bit blair witch...but I got it! I love your teachings they are easy to follow and highly addictive. I know that I would NOT get better lessons if I paid someone the big bucks. Thanks for being you!
thanx a lot. It sure doeshelpmealot in playing. Anyway, where's lesson 5??? I was searching it n couldnt find it....could you pls show me where is it??? I think i'm gettin hooked to your lessons...keep up the gud work!! Like it!!!
Just bought a keyboard (but you know, that's basicly the same;P), but i didn't wanna buy lessons for that, cause i already play the guitar twice a week, so this helps me alot.
Thanks Andrew, this was great. Is it possible for your to write the letters (big letters)for the songs, happy birthday, jingle bells so that we can copy them down and practice. It will make it lot easier for us. Thanks.
same here man, thanks to youtube, and ESPECIALLY thanks to this guy i can now learn on my own. I don't know how good I or anyone can get from learning from this young man, but I am going to invest my time in learning from his videos. I have ALWAYS wanted to learn. no excuses now!
Every Good Boy Deserved Fudge ... means that everyone who plays piano ends up fat? :P No offense meant to anyone of course. ;-)
This is my 6th vid in an hour. I've played piano before, about 5 years ago, but I lost meh skill and I'm trying to get it back. This is REALLY helpful!
I remember happy birthday song is the first song I learnt and I just memorized the entire song without knowing anything about the piano/keyboard lol..
thanks so much andrew for the tutorials, one question though, do you have any tips on how to play with both hands. i can play one hand but my fingers are lifting up a bit. again thanks!
Brilliant videos man, seriously, you're a great teacher. You cover the very basics, which is essential. And you're funny! And that makes it easier to learn, so thanks mate!
Oh, and Furmanczyk? That's got to be the greatest name ever!
thanks! ^_^ I"m glad you were able to learn from me! I actually did get a tripod in later lessons. You have to remember that when I did this I was just using my parents old camera, nothing fancy, just my knowledge and whatever i could get my hands on! Now i've got a website, a new camera, tripod, and i'm looking into investing into a professional microphone
Thanks Andrew for all your efforts. Sometimes I find it hard to see exactly what you are doing (so I couldn't get jingle bells entirely right, for example :P ), but hey we can always look up the sheets for the songs.. Your video's are very useful ! (even though you need to hurry because of the youtube limit :D). I just saw you have like 38 videos in this series so that's promising..!
thanks for the lovely comment! :) I actually don't have to abide by the youtube video limit anymore, so after video 10 or something they become longer. Like my fur elise tutorial was close to 30 minutes long!
ur a brilliant teacher! thanx I learned all that stuff in primary school but forgot all - u really do a good job! many thx! can't believe ur so young and so mature:)
ur a brilliant teacher! thanx I learned all that stuff in primary school but forgot all - u really do a good job! many thx! can't believe ur so young and so mature:)
You did kinda seem down about your birthday :/ well haps to duh b day, oh wise, great piano guru!!! :D
AJisdabombsauce 2 days ago
Good Boys Deserve Fudge Always!
ultimamasher7 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from Lypur
Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge in the FACE!! :D
DemonGirl111 1 month ago
every good boy deserves Fuck lol
kim1212able 1 month ago
I thought it was every good boy does fine? hahah deserves fudge works too though :)
bambie55311 1 month ago
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juantwothre3 4 months ago
you sound very depressed about the whole happy birthday situation
abney317 4 months ago
It's Great Big Dreams for America!
bOObstersblahh 6 months ago
@zpabbasi (sorry if i spelled that wrong) the reason those notes appear in multiple places is because you are going up octaves. After you play the notes abcdefg in a scale, the next note would be a again. So, it's showing how high or low the a is, since the piano has maybe seven different a's. If you go up the staff, you'd see that the order is gfedcbagfedcba and so on. Hope that helped! :)
jesst818 6 months ago
Great teacher but we couldn't c at the end haha
isabel31gymnastics 6 months ago
Good and fun teacher with biggest heart, !! Thanks Andrew for fun lesson!!!
sarah11168 7 months ago
Green
Bananas
Don't
Fool
Apes
SM0KELESSCIGAR 7 months ago 5
Where can the youtube community donate for you to buy some tripod? It's the least we can do to help..
jamestakeshi 8 months ago
i can't see when you put the camera on a box. Sorry, :(
YuiChanDomo 8 months ago
ok ur such a great teacher... but please kinda show us propperly how to play the songs im lost with the happy birthday cuz ur hand in way hahahaha i sound so cranky sorry!! happy very late birthday!
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Jhunj28 9 months ago
Thanks, this is great, its filling in so many blanks in my musical knowledge! And making me laugh as well :)
alexusual 10 months ago
Invest in a Tripod
J2D1S0 1 year ago 8
George Bush Drives Fast Always is how i learned it, but i like Good Boys Deserve Female Attention better lol
iKyer98 1 year ago
G B D F A
Great
Big
Dogs
Fight
Animals
ninchick01 1 year ago
Hi Andrew:
When line 4th is to represent D then why do many music scales show D below line 1? Also, why F at two places - Space 1 and then again on line 1?
Can't thank enough people like you who do great service to humanity without any reward. God bless you. Zia
zpabbasi 1 year ago 3
Even George Bush dances funny!
Technology2412 1 year ago
I use Every Good Boy Does Fine and Good Boys Do Fine Always, similar to your mnemonics. Thank you for the video series, very helpful! BTW Happy Birthday!
cbkidder 1 year ago
Re: 2:08: Greedy bastards deserve fuck all. ;/
TehUberCyberBeast 1 year ago
hehe, camera holding aparatus
XxKingpillowxX 1 year ago
Evry good boy do fuck :D
ms3amiso 1 year ago
glow brighter don't fight andrew (cause andrew is great)
Go bananas dictionary find asana
grow brains dig firkin always
gap baby doll face away
Just practicing, I know i'm not good but man You are an amazing teacher
CAMERONlouw 1 year ago
green birds dont fly away
happy late birthday
ArjanTheGunslinger 1 year ago
Good video; also made me laugh lol, thanks :)
Narutechno123 1 year ago
happy bday at 2:40
mariz2209 1 year ago
Another possibility is "Every Good Boy Does Fine" :D
holycrabthatsghetto 1 year ago
Guitar strings open top to bottom: Eddie Ate Dynamite, Good Bye Eddie!
Wiebe55 1 year ago
What happened to the green bird? :O It didn't fly away, did it?
WWGMD 1 year ago
@WWGMD
GBDFA - Good Birds Don't Fly Away :P
Evaa1990 1 year ago
Ive never played piano in my life--but i do have a keyboard--i play the flute--and i use my knowledge from that and learning the names of all the keys to play some songs--but only with my left hand--hopefully i will be able to learn how to incorperate the left hand :D
AmandaVocals 1 year ago
thnx for the helpful videos!x
mizziluvhim 1 year ago
thanks!! it helps!!
torchndark 1 year ago
Lol couldn't see the end and there's this aperatice called a tripod that can hold ur camera for you :P.
Soccermaniac3555 1 year ago
Best online lessons, by the way, can you grow your hair again, I miss madscientist
bearoyay 1 year ago
gbdfa is good boys do fine always. And thank you for these videos
CMK010 1 year ago
you should have a tripod or something..
neezocrene 1 year ago
good boys don´t fuck around
ollbottni 2 years ago
Great big ducks fly away
dragonfable17 2 years ago
I learned "Every Good Boy Does Fine" but that is also an intriguing way of putting it. Well done. Excellent work. :)
TheSecondBeatle 2 years ago
I confused fudge with fuck (^_^)
killingppl 2 years ago
@killingppl yea man....... FUDGE YOU! lol im just saying...
MjPengDude 1 year ago
"i'd rather have chocolate"...LOL
kseke25 2 years ago 3
yeah , thets funny
Xp0w3rc0r3X 2 years ago
I think you're a great teacher and I've had to teach myself what I know so I've learned really slow. Watching you teach it is really helpful to fill in the gaps. I'm looking forward to the other lessons!
smithluv6 2 years ago
Good Boys Dont Fart ^_^
sidekicklover121 2 years ago 4
another one for the bass clef
"All Cars Eat Gas Always"
cabby124 2 years ago
Thank you so much Andrew so posting these videos, I am sure learning alot. And wow, a happy birthday song, perfect, cause my birthday is coming up in just 6 days =D thanks again
LoveGirly9 2 years ago
OMGoodness. Thanx so much. I've been preparing and today was my first day playing. I did very well. Thank you. Your videos are a ton of help. Awesome teacher :D
Xx1skyblue1xX 2 years ago
I just started Saturday and I'm clearly on your lesson 4.. Well 5 now, but whatever! So yeah, I'm really learning a lot and I enjoy your positive attitude about it! Saturday I only knew the key C and didn't put it together that it could go up and down from C, but now I can play chords and scales and kinda understand what sheet music is telling me, and it's just wonderful! I can't afford a piano teacher (well my parents can, but they don't want to) so thank you thank you thank you! :)
austenwack 2 years ago
for the bass clef lines its i think
Good
Boys
Do
Fine
Always
kryptos737 2 years ago
Thanks!
austenwack 2 years ago
no problem
kryptos737 2 years ago
hey man, i realy appriciate this, i am learning so fast. hope you had a good birthday. xD
Endy77Endy 2 years ago
Part 1 and part 2 of lesson #4 felt very rushed. Good info but rushed.
Wowmommy33 2 years ago
Great Big Dogs Fight Animal. That's how I learned it. It's easy to remember.
GetDamage 2 years ago
When we eat all that fudge we become a moooooooo!!! sorry teacher I be baddd girl.
Nennine 2 years ago
us english...well more often then not good boys play football not eat fudge! (football's healthier)
both do the same job though
x)
burtv1610 2 years ago 2
every good boy deserves fine apples.
chuckupthehen 2 years ago 3
I learned in elementary school Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge or Every Good Boy Does Fine, but i prefer Even George Bush Drinks Farts
jwxq3 2 years ago 4
You know that bit where you said you could not remeber what they taught you to remember
G B D F A
The answer is
Green
Buses
Drive
Fast
Always ;)
LyricsMad13 2 years ago
Its actually
Every
Good
Boy
Deserves
Football
LyricsMad13 2 years ago 2
happy birthday motherfucker!!! good clips, held a lot. peez from austria
Partisansoul 2 years ago
is there lesson 5?
therealYesenia 2 years ago
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I hope it helps you guys What a dork!
PauloTozzi 2 years ago
wheres the lesson #5????
jcent01 2 years ago
its every good boy DOES FINE!!!!..:) thats how my choir teacher taught me!!:))
yorkiechick3196 2 years ago 2
lol ebadabaca
spsq 2 years ago
ty teacher
caligean07 2 years ago
i heard it as "every good boy does fine" lol
sacrisik 2 years ago
good boys do fine always
jackmehoffer68 2 years ago 2
every good boy deserves football:P
thegoodfellaa 2 years ago 2
Great Big Dreams Formed America lol,
phelonzae 2 years ago 4
Just a little tip for people like me: Every good boy deserves felatio' is a bit easier
Dontfuckinglookatme 2 years ago 3
happy birth day!:)
mhd112211 2 years ago 7
ok question. i play guitar too, and i know that theres an easier way to read guitar music, and its called tab. just wondering if there's something like that for piano. like something that would make it easier ro read and write the music.
sweetsacrifice1000 2 years ago
my master, it's so kool
7iun 2 years ago
good vid i suppose, they are called pneumonics.
musician2themax 2 years ago
its Good Boys Do Fine Always..... loool
joe19nick16love 2 years ago 5
nice but i cd,t see in the end
505WIL 2 years ago
hey amp126 im coming to 5 tooooo
gameover502 2 years ago
lesson 5 here i come!
Amp126 2 years ago
E,G,B,D,F EASY E every good boy deserve fudge
edzimiggy 2 years ago
Haha it was a bit blair witch...but I got it! I love your teachings they are easy to follow and highly addictive. I know that I would NOT get better lessons if I paid someone the big bucks. Thanks for being you!
leenylooking 2 years ago 2
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ashleyelaw 2 years ago
E G B D F
Even George Bush doesn't flush
G B D F A
George Bush doesn't flush anymore
Easy to remember
Tecca9ina 2 years ago 27
Thanks for another great lesson :)
FootLongSub 2 years ago 2
G,B,D,F,A...
Good Boys Does Fine Always
lilwill954 2 years ago 4
lol well not the best of camera workers but still a great teacher
Kingviperleo 2 years ago
Every Good Boy Does Fine
rubikssolverguy 2 years ago 3
Great Big Ducks Fly Away
HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke 2 years ago 3
h - bday
saxophonebeast 3 years ago
thanx a lot. It sure doeshelpmealot in playing. Anyway, where's lesson 5??? I was searching it n couldnt find it....could you pls show me where is it??? I think i'm gettin hooked to your lessons...keep up the gud work!! Like it!!!
girlshounen 3 years ago
for the G,B,D,F,A its
George
Bush
Died
Friday
Afternoon
ghettogirl8910 3 years ago 24
LOL.
solemnsoul17 3 years ago
You should get a tripod ;D
Anyway, good lessons, dude!
Just bought a keyboard (but you know, that's basicly the same;P), but i didn't wanna buy lessons for that, cause i already play the guitar twice a week, so this helps me alot.
Keep it up.
Guitarmate24 3 years ago
its "Great Big Ducks Fly Away"
Gatillquet 3 years ago
where is lesson number 5???
PS. this stuff is great! thankyou so much!
sandmanspeaking 3 years ago
Bass Clef - Green Buses Drive Fast Always
or
Great Big Dogs From Africa
Treble - Every Good Boy Deserves Fruit
emano94 3 years ago
happy bday! waw. u had a haircut :D
SallyEngrave 3 years ago
Thanks Andrew, this was great. Is it possible for your to write the letters (big letters)for the songs, happy birthday, jingle bells so that we can copy them down and practice. It will make it lot easier for us. Thanks.
talibaja123 3 years ago
learn the piano instead of learning different peaces....it makes you better off... or get someone else to teach you the songs
link2450 3 years ago
I love your teaching-style:) + your CUTE<3
azukiki01 3 years ago
hey ur video is wonderfull. thx its really help me. i have to learn to play piano in 3 months. do u think i can make it. :P
Parcae89 3 years ago
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bluejess14 3 years ago 2
***HAPPY LATE BIRTHDAY ***
semoneta1234 3 years ago 3
:) well it's almost my birthday again in less than a month. So i'll just take it as a happy early birthday :)
Lypur 3 years ago 2
Elephants Got Big Dirty Feet =-D
Laidbackj 3 years ago
hahahah!!!! I LOVE IT! :) i'm going to remember those for a while :D
Lypur 3 years ago
NICE SIR.~! but BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY~!
rAchellelyn08 3 years ago
Every girl bakes delicious fudge
zerperinn 3 years ago
All Cows Eat Grass..
jeffoh1990 3 years ago
thank you so much andrew!!
god bless you!
i would be in private piano lessons but
i cant afford them so thanks mucho!
shorty3355 3 years ago
same here man, thanks to youtube, and ESPECIALLY thanks to this guy i can now learn on my own. I don't know how good I or anyone can get from learning from this young man, but I am going to invest my time in learning from his videos. I have ALWAYS wanted to learn. no excuses now!
DeanMartinFollower 3 years ago
um, you could get yourself a gorillapod. it's this neat little bendable tripod that holds digicams and stuff.
so you wouldn't have to stuggle holding that cam throughout your lessons and you'd be like, "look youtubers, no hands!"
missingmyjoel 3 years ago
thanks alot for that lesson it gonna help me for my mom's birthday =D
killerdragon55 3 years ago
Every Good Boy Deserved Fudge ... means that everyone who plays piano ends up fat? :P No offense meant to anyone of course. ;-)
This is my 6th vid in an hour. I've played piano before, about 5 years ago, but I lost meh skill and I'm trying to get it back. This is REALLY helpful!
ReSpawNnL 3 years ago
The bass clef lines are:
Good
Burritos
Don't
Fall
A part
lbmskids 3 years ago 6
...now i'm hungry XD
yellowsugardog 3 years ago
talk about NYPD blues camera action. Hopefully somebody got him a tripod for his Birthday... (good lessons)
edraymos 3 years ago
Elephants go bonkers doing flips :D
callumshearer92 3 years ago
Thanks a lot. You the best!
takasking123 3 years ago
I remember happy birthday song is the first song I learnt and I just memorized the entire song without knowing anything about the piano/keyboard lol..
123lad123 3 years ago
All Cars Eat Gas
Great Big Dogs Fight Animals
glomuscarotidea 3 years ago
ahhhh thank you soo much!! you're soo great!
samthezicke87 3 years ago
you could also use (every good boy does fine) or (every good burger deserves fries).
lilgege527 3 years ago 2
go to circuit city and ask for a tripod for a video camera. it costs quite a bit but i see your havin alot of trouble with that thing lol
hotbloodedbrownboy 3 years ago
thanks so much andrew for the tutorials, one question though, do you have any tips on how to play with both hands. i can play one hand but my fingers are lifting up a bit. again thanks!
elysia05 3 years ago
lmao i culdnt even play jingle bells -.- now happy birthday :D
froggyboizzz 3 years ago
i learned it as Ernie Gave Bert Dead Fish and i've remembered it since 2nd grade.
qxXHoorahXxp 3 years ago
For the bass clef the notes G,B,D,F,A stands for "Good Boys Do Fine Always"
Hope that helps o_o
Ryuzaki5o4 3 years ago
"cow allways eat grass" but sick humans "allways sniff grass"..!!!!!!?
carbonsteoroxcide 3 years ago
Every Good Boy Does Fine
NichtOliver 3 years ago
"Good Boys Deserve Fudge Always"
OR
"Golf Balls Don't Fly Away!"
Amandalynne12 3 years ago
Man it must be awesome to be 20.
AirHendrix91 3 years ago
Brilliant videos man, seriously, you're a great teacher. You cover the very basics, which is essential. And you're funny! And that makes it easier to learn, so thanks mate!
Oh, and Furmanczyk? That's got to be the greatest name ever!
Njalvis 3 years ago
lol I like you new hairstyle and I always laugh when watching your lesson. Have fun making!
kwesi4ever 3 years ago
You are like my dream come true, seriously
Tobiah 3 years ago
i play a lot of piano, but have learned a lot by you. thanks andrew:)
fylly 3 years ago
you're welcome! glad i can help!
Lypur 3 years ago
happy birthday to you ahheheheh.. ayt peace
gothicfury 3 years ago
I'd just like to add; your teaching skills are exceptional, and your really fun to watch. But PLEASE get a tripod.
capslock007 3 years ago
I've been following your videos, and they have been extremely valuable. I want to express my deepest gratitudes!
capslock007 3 years ago 2
thanks! ^_^ I"m glad you were able to learn from me! I actually did get a tripod in later lessons. You have to remember that when I did this I was just using my parents old camera, nothing fancy, just my knowledge and whatever i could get my hands on! Now i've got a website, a new camera, tripod, and i'm looking into investing into a professional microphone
Lypur 3 years ago
Haha, I forget to look at the dates of the videos. My apologies!
capslock007 3 years ago
terrible humor good teaching
hardcoreskater711 3 years ago
Thanks Andrew for all your efforts. Sometimes I find it hard to see exactly what you are doing (so I couldn't get jingle bells entirely right, for example :P ), but hey we can always look up the sheets for the songs.. Your video's are very useful ! (even though you need to hurry because of the youtube limit :D). I just saw you have like 38 videos in this series so that's promising..!
Thanks and see you in the next videos :)
Dieterbe 3 years ago
thanks for the lovely comment! :) I actually don't have to abide by the youtube video limit anymore, so after video 10 or something they become longer. Like my fur elise tutorial was close to 30 minutes long!
Lypur 3 years ago
i thought it was every good boy does fine
etermal07g 3 years ago
If you just remember to start on e then you count up alphabetically. e f g a b c etc.
you have to remember it goes line space line space and so on.
and start on g for the bass clef
feiyinglye 3 years ago
i thought it was "every boy does fine
nightmare461 3 years ago
GBDFA ~ gREAT bIG dUCKS fLY aLWAYS.
shirubiah 3 years ago
G - Gerald (Ford)
B - Beckons
D - Digimon
F - For
A - (the) Apocalypse
orangecow 3 years ago
good boys diserve fudge always :)
clarinetplayer94 3 years ago 2
yes they do
Lypur 3 years ago
Thank you so much!
These videos are so interesting!
^_^
Your a great teacher!
I understand everything you explain.
I'm great full. thank you again!
MizukiiChan 3 years ago
your welcome! I'm grateful for grateful people like you! ^_^ thanks for watching and i'm glad you could learn something!
Lypur 3 years ago
or more like Every Boy Does Fine.. But it doesent matter :P Still the same thing lol
GuitarXer 3 years ago
ur a brilliant teacher! thanx I learned all that stuff in primary school but forgot all - u really do a good job! many thx! can't believe ur so young and so mature:)
mareashapiro 3 years ago
thank you for the compliment ^_^
Lypur 3 years ago
ur a brilliant teacher! thanx I learned all that stuff in primary school but forgot all - u really do a good job! many thx! can't believe ur so young and so mature:)
mareashapiro 3 years ago
And for the lines I use: Go Beyond Doors For Answers
joakimjedselius 3 years ago
Bass clef spaces: A Computer Excites Growth. I use that one.
joakimjedselius 3 years ago
every good boy does fine.
killaclips25 3 years ago 2
uhmm..happy Belated bday?? thnkkxx =]
swtbbytiffany 3 years ago
lol
gininsono 3 years ago
love the videos. and happy birthday!
tony102085 3 years ago
Every Good Boy Deserves Fun!
lol
TheSam1r 3 years ago
Haha :P
GuitarXer 3 years ago
good boys deserve fine apples!
sakkumia 3 years ago
man, i think i've got enough sayings for ANYONE to be happy with :D
Lypur 3 years ago
groovy beatles dig for ants
dssk1023 3 years ago
treble:
FACE
Every Green Bus Drives Fast
base:
All Cats Eat Goldfishies
George Buys Dog Food Alone
winxcat 4 years ago
Wat iz C major???
ScholarofPraise 4 years ago
ok im starting to lose motivation to lern the piano can anyone tell me where they found inspiration to playing the piano ?
Tutchmydog 4 years ago
every good boy does fine
showersinger547 4 years ago
Hiya.. just thot that i'd mention.. GBDF.. Good Boys Do Fine is called a Mnemonic... I use this kinda method to study... :)cheers have a gr8 day
poprup11 4 years ago
Even Good Bitches Do Fuck :D <= pervert version:D
88Ch88 4 years ago 3