Is information something? In short, does it exist in physical form? There are "somethings" which have physical dimensional properties. There are also somethings that have "non-physical" dimensional properties. The only way you can rule the "non-physical" is to rule out the existence of the , "non-physical", i.e., information. We are dealing with two states, the non-physical information & the physical. Therefore, you have to account for the presence of the non-physical existence.
God is non-dimensional information. Is God something physical? No. Is God dimensional? No. That which has no physical beginning, has no physical end. Information has no physical beginning, therefore, no physical end. Absent of time, absent of dimensions, therefore absent of physical cause & effects.
Information is not a physical object. Information is not mass. It's "invisible" and non-tangible. Yet, we cannot deny it's non-physical existence. Where is information? Touch it.
"Information is information it is neither matter nor energy" Norbert Weiner, Cybernetics. You cannot have any communication system within the Origins of The Universe without "information." The basis and foundation of existence relies on this non-physical state, i.e., immaterial and non-physical information.
Invisible information represents the presence of an immaterial source, i.e., intelligence within the Origins of The Universe. Why do particle require information & instructions?
Create a universe without dimensions, and after you do that, create a dimensionless state before Planck Time. Actions speak louder than words. Show the world what you really know.:D
I have, repeatedly. I find you to be the worst kind of charlatan. The kind that baffles the unaware with bullshit in order to sell something. In this case, fear. (Which, when you think about it, which I hadn't before, is really quite awful. You're a disgusting sort of person ... wow. Really quite vile.)
There is no god. You cannot prove that there is a god, and all your waffling about concerning what information is fails to prove anything.
Further, you can't get your information god outside of time, no matter what you do.
Event gives rise to time instantly. Nothing can exist beyond time.... and only nothing. If god is something, as you have so nicely *snicker* "proven", then it exists within time. Only nothing can exist beyond time.
Nothingness is a permanent state of rest. The Laws of Motion forbids motion to occur within a permanent state of rest, "that which is in rest, will continue to be within a state of rest,.........and....that which is within a state of motion will continue to be in a state of motion, until acted upon."
So, it looks like you got that wrong, huh? Now, what does that leave? An eternal material state, or something outside of this material state.
There would have to be a something for the something to be in a state of rest .... but there can't BE a something outside of time ... because only nothing exists there,
Herp a derpa dooooo .... Informashun Theery means GAWD dun it! DERP!
Eternal is the absence of time. Eternal is the absence of a physical beginning. Eternal is absence of a physical end. All you need to do is prove that dimensions are eternal. Create a line without a physical beginning. Change via expansion of big bang is a physical dimension. What existed before the existence of a dimension?
As long as something began, then you have to account for its beginning ( Kalam's Law). The universe began via "dimensions", so, if it began, it cannot "begin to exist" and then "not begin to exist" at the same time, in order to create itself into existence.
Nothing is a permanent state of rest. There isn't any motion within it. Nothing is the absence of something. Name one thing that exists without dimensions. Gravity requires dimensional mass. EMF requires expansion & gravity
Within the quantum state, time does not exist. How much distance between two objects equals one day?
Nothingness does not exist. Create a dimension from a state of nothingness. Energy is two-dimensional ( wave) and photons are also dimensional. So, if spatial dimensions emerged from the big bang, then, "dimensional energy" emerged with, mass, space and (supposedly) one-dimensional time.
Do you just babble the same thing over and over again without reading what has gone before?
When your argument gets refuted, or pointed out as obvious non-sense, you just prattle on as though nothing has happened with the same questions and comments that were responded to days/months ago.
Below are my final words on this matter, as I am beginning to believe either a: you have a mental disability or b: you are a troll.
You cannot BEGIN with a conclusion and work OUTWARD.
Energy and mass cannot be created or destroyed, correct? So, please explain the existence of "density" prior to the big bang. Density cannot exist without dimensions, so if our universe emerged via spatial dimensions, x, y, z and t, why is there compressed "x, y & z" prior to the big bang? You cannot say that you do not know, since obviously, Heisenburg himself declared that "uncertainty does not pertain to the past"( 1930-Chicago Lecture). Prove that the universe is eternal.
Energy and mass cannot be created or destroyed, correct? So, please explain the existence of "density" prior to the big bang. Density cannot exist without dimensions, so if our universe emerged via spatial dimensions, x, y, z and t, why is there compressed "x, y & z" prior to the big bang? You cannot say that you do not know, since obviously, Heisenburg himself declared that "uncertainty does not pertain to the past"( 1930-Chicago Lecture). Prove that the universe is eternal.
Does time exist? Is it a physical object? Does it exist between two separated distances? How many days exist between you and your screen? How many months exist between two solid objects separated by fifty miles? Does time change if you go faster between these two solid objects or locations? What does orbiting around the sun have to do with dimenions and time? What do sunsets and sunrises have to do with dimensional time? Is time one-dimensional?
Does time exist? Is it a physical object? Does it exist between two separated distances? How many days exist between you and your screen? How many months exist between two solid objects separated by fifty miles? Does time change if you go faster between these two solid objects or locations? What does orbiting around the sun have to do with dimenions and time? What do sunsets and sunrises have to do with dimensional time? Is time one-dimensional?
Yes. No. It exists in the event of marking distance. Insufficient data.No.Nothing, except for the event of it. Nothing, except for the event of it. Omni-Dimensional. Define invisible. Do you mean undetectable? if yes, then no.
Does time exist? Is it a physical object? Does it exist between two separated distances? How many days exist between you and your screen? How many months exist between two solid objects separated by fifty miles? Does time change if you go faster between these two solid objects or locations? What does orbiting around the sun have to do with dimenions and time? What do sunsets and sunrises have to do with dimensional time? Is time one-dimensional?
@lupocephalic Why is there information within the Origins of The Universe? The trajectory of particles displays informaiton about it's location, etc. Where does information come from? It never has a physical beginning, never has a physical end, it never exists within finite time.
Nothing is not "zero", since zero is a mathematical human construct. You can create "imaginary loops" and "right angels" to represent imaginary time, but time does not "loop" within complex numbers. Create information with mass.
Information is invisible. Information is still observable within our reality, but it takes no physical form. If the "fruit" is invisible, then its source (intelligence) is also invisible,i.e., eternal. Energy & particles cannot exist without information.
What came first? Information or two-dimensional information? Information is the only thing which requires inteligence in order to exist. Yet, we observe it within Quantum experiments (Double-Slit, Quantum Eraser). You should also do some research on Quantum Information Theory.
-"Why is there something instead of nothing?" I assume from the statements that follow that this is a question of causality. If the existence of something necessitates a cause, then, by your own standard, something caused your god.
That which has a "beginning" requires a "cause", however, that which is "immaterial and non-physical" is not governed by a "physical" beginning state. You must realize that this Universe is governed by "spatial dimensions & volume."
Therefore, it clearly came into existence AFTER the big bang. However that which has no physical properties ( information & ideas are not physical objects) are not confined by dimensional spatial dimensions and volume.
@youVSmee "That which has a "beginning" requires a "cause", however, that which is "immaterial and non-physical" is not governed by a "physical" beginning state." So your god is a kind of software program that can magically poof the hardware it needs to operate into existence. Interesting.
Information is that which exists in BETWEEN paired particles. The COMMUNICATION process between paired particles is NOT a physical entity. Information is used in order to communicate via ABSENCE of a physical medium via LONG DISTANCES.
Mass & energy (photons) require instructional information in order to create "motion" ,i.e. energy via up & down spin. If there is no communication process occurring between paired particles, there cannot be any energy nor mass.
Eternal is the absence of "forward time" absence of "a beginning" and "end." Information has no beginning point. Information "traverses" via Quantum Eraser, teleporation & cryptography. That which exists between two physical objects ( message/instructional information) is not a physical entity.
I can use rocks to create "information" but the informaiton is NOT inside the rocks. Software is NOT physical. Ideas are NOT physical.
The expansion of the big bang "initiated" forward physical time. However, information "traverses" and its not a physical object. The Quantum experiments show that information can exists within the "present" and the "past' at the same time.
The "erased information" ( information path taken) was deliberately "erased & delayed" YET, both paired particles "re-established" their communication AFTER the information path/slit taken was DELAYED/ERASED. Information is NOT confined by time.
For the record, I'm not an Athiest. But this whole upload is terrible and embarrising! (if it isn't a joke!) I'm not wasting my life watching 15 minutes of this rot, but the description makes absolutely no sense at all! It's the ramblings of some poorly educated person, reciting drivel they've been brainwashed by some other fool.
If you have a valid point, explain it clearly. Cause that crap you've written makes as much sense as a person constructing random sentences with random words.
It's quite simple. All particle (massless or not) require "dimensions & volume" in order to exist. The big bang is the cause of "dimensions & volume." Furthermore, the electromagnetic field, the strong & weak force, gravity, black holes, vacuums, etc., came into existence "after" the big bang NOT before it.
Therefore, "everything" except non-physical information, came into existence "after" the BB. Now, E & M require "information" in order to create "spin & counter" spin = energy
If you believe that the Universe created itself into existence, then, "yes" it's a joke. If you realize that the "wave-function" can only be collapsed by an "awareness" state, therefore, "intelligence" must exist "prior" to the probable wave which collapses into matter, then, it's not a joke.
Do u believe that a "densed" state existed prior to the BB and "expanded" to what we observe today? If so, "What is "density" doing within the quantum state? Density occurs "after" the BB.
@youVSmee Since no one knows existed before the big bang, yet you're postulating your own made-up rules about what did exist before the big bang, I'll take that as yes it's a joke.
Do some simple "math" and you will see that it is "impossible" for the "physical" Universe to have come to "physical" existence on it's own, "unless' it came into existence via "nothingness." The Universe is composed of "three spatial" dimensions via x, y & z.( excluding one-dimensional time = t).
Dimensions require "two-points' via "T1(now) through T2(later). You cannot have a "dimension" without "two separated points. Time has two points via "motion" (past) through (present).
Refute my claims instead of using philosophical arguments. Belittling someone does not win arguments. That is usually done when they are "angry" and become "defensive." Show me the math in order to support an eternal state without dimensions, volume & density prior to the big bang. Energy & particles require instructional information in order to create UP & down spin. That is where you get your 'motion', i.e. energy. No instructional ACTIONS, equals no motion, no energy & no M.
@youVSmee Making up your own science doesn't win arguments either. We simply don't know what caused the big bang or what the universe was like before it. Many astrophysicists believe it is impossible to know. Yet you absurdly postulate that there must have been some sort of massless, energy-less consciousness -- something not known to science at all.
We "know" that a "conscious awareness" state, collapses the wave into physical form. If E & M are self-caused, then: Why do they require something "outside" themselves in order for E to transform into M? Why?
@youVSmee Who said E & M are self-caused? I don't think "self-causation" is even a coherent concept. Furthermore, you are equivocating with the term "wave function collapse." It is the APPEARANCE of wave function collapse TO THE OBSERVER that is affected by observation. That doesn't mean observation creates the matter itself. Physics chugs right along whether we watch it with a microscope or not. If a tree falls in a forest and no one's around to hear it, it still falls in the damn forest.
@youVSmee And that is the fundamental hypocrisy of your thinking: in your insistence that pre-big bang science must fit our understanding, you postulate something that blatantly violates our scientific understanding. The "God of the Gaps" is nothing but an even bigger gap. And that's how a theist checkmates himself every time.
Since the "physical" Universe cannot "regress" past "two-points"(dimensions), therefore, that PROVES that this Universe is composed of a beginning dimensional state. Remember, supposedly, there was a "densed" state PRIOR to the big bang. BIG PROBLEM. How can you have "density", which requires "dimensions" in order to obtain density? Think. That is impossible.
Therefore, you cannot "magically" have "density, volume & mass" prior to the expansion of the big bang.
@youVSmee You are thinking in terms of a true singularity, which is a theoretical state that isn't necessarily the actual state before the big bang. It could have just been an extremely condensed state. But even if there were a true singularity, we have no way of knowing what the rules of physics would be for a state without matter and space so to postulate your own rules about what it was like is just silly.
You cannot have any "fundamental force" in order to create any 'condensed' state. We are using "math" in order to observe real physical properties. You are using 'philosophical' arguments, which use 'imaginary' time & imaginary numbers in order to come up with 'imaginary' results. The collapse of the wave-function requires an awareness observer, in order for the probable wave to collapse into physical mass ( Double-Slit experiment, the Copenhagen's Interpretation, HUP.
@friend In order for something to be eternal, it must be able to "transcend" the "dimensional factor." In short, that which is eternal, must not require "physical dimensions" and must be able to exist without "volume, dimensions & density."
Energy (photons) have "volume", & volume requires "dimensions" in order to exist. However, information is not a physical object. It's immaterial & does NOT require dimensions, volume, nor mass. It transcends beyond "two-points", into a dimensionLESS state.
Awareness is not a physical object. Why is it that the "act of knowing, observing & measuring" causes the wave-function to collapse? Why? That is because, energy & particles require instructional information via an awareness state, according to experiments & scientific principles.
It all makes sense via mathematics. Logic 'blocks' us from understanding that, but math & science declares the presence of 'observance', which causes reality. Information TRANSCENDS M & E.
@youVSmee "Awareness is not a physical object." True, but it is a physical phenomenon. Knowledge itself is an abstraction, but to possess, acquire, store, retain, or transmit knowledge is a physical action.
@friendofthefunk This input information (data) allows for particles & enegy to map the physical Universe according to the set instructions pertained within the information. Thinking integrates that information into previous learned material as it decodes itself into informational knowledge.
@youVSmee No. "Data" is a term for information collected by human beings. The universe itself doesn't use data. You are anthropomorphizing, a common mistake resulting in the belief that the universe must be governed by a human-like consciousness.
Where then does information come from? Information is neither matter, nor energy. Moreover, as the American philosopher and mathematician, William Dembski (1960- ), correctly inferred, “Information is sui generis. Only information begets information.”
Create an eternal physical state "without" dimensions. That which exists within a "single" volumeless, dimensionless, and denseless state, can be described as an eternal, non-physical state.
@youVSmee Information the window sill, that is information that tells us it is raining outside. It is the way we perceive the stimulus that makes it information. But if we weren't around to turn the sound of raindrops into information, the raindrops would still be there. Information requires a physical realm. The physical realm doesn't require information. See? You've got it backwards.
The scientific principles declare that "information (awareness) is that which collapses the wave into physical form. Enery & matter are NOT information, rather, they are DEPENDENT on the immaterial presence of instructional information.
A tree cannot fall without the presence of an observer. If you are not there, you must travel to its location in order to "confirm" that it fell. That parallels with the "collapse" of the wave-function ( tree). Science "refutes" your claim.
@youVSmee "A tree cannot fall without the presence of an observer." Come on, don't you see how ridiculous that is? I know someone who got up one day and a tree had fallen on her car during the night. I guess there must have been someone watching it or else it wouldn't have fallen, huh? And I suppose you think when you leave a room everything in the room ceases to exist. There is nothing scientific about that worldview. That is the worldview of an infant.
You do not seem to grasp the significance of what occurs within the, "quantum realm." The quantum realm arose from a non-physical immaterial state. According to the Quantum Eraser experiment, information traverses and can exist within two places at the same time. Particles require instructional information in order to create spin & counter spin.
@youVSmee "Particles require instructional information in order to create spin & counter spin." No, you just made that up. Anyone can make up their own fake science and then claim other people "don't seem to grasp the significance" of it. It's an easy trick. The problem is no one seems to be falling for it.
Are you really suggesting that "instructional information" does not exist in order for paired particles to communicate via LONG DISTANCES? Explain how particles communicate via long distances. "Information is information it is neither matter nor energy" N. Weiner,Father of Cybernetics.
Quantum Eraser displays the presence of information between paired particles. In fact, the eliminated information(information path-taken), is RE-established, by its co-paired particle.
No, you have it backwards. The only way that matter & energy transcends information, is if information came into existence "after" the big bang. Matter & energy require "dimensions", so that shows they are not eternal. Now, since E & particles REQUIRE instructional information in order to CREATE up & down spin ( motion=e).
The only thing which can exist within ONE-POINT( dimensionLESS, volumeLESS & denseLESS) is information. Information came into existence FIRST = ETERNAL.
@youVSmee You can repeat your fake science all you want, but it doesn't make it true. There is absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever for your claims.
(Q-Eraser) Information "traverses", information is "non-physical" and informaiton has no beginning nor end. Intelligence is required in order to have information. Ideas, awareness, observations and measuring abilities in order to "decode" things into existence, require intellience in order to exist.
Informaiton requires "awareness" in order to "collapse" the wave-function. Awareness is non-physical, therefore can exists at two places "at once" via past and present. The future is the "now."
Take two empty cd's and fill one up with 700 megs. What is the difference in mass? None. Information is massless, therefore it is not confined by a "begining physical state. That which has no 'beginning" canot have "an end." It is "timeless and non-physical.
That which is "timeless" does not have a "beginning finite point." That which has no finite beginning point, has no beginning history. Therefore, that which is non-physical is "not" governed by "historical REGRESSIONS."
@youVSmee "Take two empty cd's and fill one up with 700 megs. What is the difference in mass? None. Information is massless" Come on. The mass of both CDs is greater than zero, so you haven't shown how information can be stored without mass. Writing to a CD just rearranges the physical particles already on it into a particular pattern. So what you're saying is kind of like "a paper airplane has the same mass as the unfolded paper, therefore airplanes don't require mass."
@fr The Universe is three-dimensional excluding time. Each dimension involves two-points. Now, if that is the case, explain how something that requires "dimensions" be described as existing "without dimensions" prior to the big bang, which happen to create "dimensions?" Duh. So, the Universe obviously had a "beginning", yet, "energy & matter" cannot be created nor destroyed, only transform from one to the other & visa versa. Now, explain the "creation" of E & M, via "beginning" dimensions.
@youVSmee First of all, it's not certain that the universe had a beginning. When physicists talk about the universe beginning with the big bang, they usually mean the universe "as we know it." And even if space and time did literally begin with the big bang, your argument still makes no sense. Because nothing can precede the beginning of time by definition, including your completely made-up sentient being that somehow exists without dimensions.
You must realize that "information" is non-physical. NOw, why is there something non-physical within a physical & dimensional Universe? Think. If the Universe requires dimensions, and E & M are confined to "dimensions" since photons have volume and particles have mass. Therefore, photons & mass are governed by "dimensions", which came into existece AFTER the big bang. You cannot have density, volume nor mass PRIOR to the BB. The BB create dimensions(x, y & z) via EXPANSION.
Information does NOT require volume, dimensions nor density in order to exist. Where does information come from? Intelligence. Information is data that is related to each other in a very specific way to make sense to some decision-maker (a mind). Thus, you need at least two bits of data to create one piece of information.
@fri Information is a term with many meanings depending on context, but is as a rule closely related to such concepts as meaning, knowledge, instruction, communication, representation, and mental stimulus.
Information is organised data (raw facts and figures) in a specific context.
@friendofthefunk Information is a non-physical, immaterial entity completely unrelated to matter/energy.
“Thought can be about cars or rocks, but there are no cars or rocks in the brain; not only that, within the mind, there are no neurons, only ideas of cars & rocks."
@friendofthefunk Information systems take data (facts, figures, pictures, numbers, symbols, letters, codes, et cetera) and process the raw data into useful information for decision-making, and control, purposes.
A fact, or figure, in isolation has no meaning at all. Thinking is a complex, internal, mental process that uses, and creates, information.
@youVSmee Sorry, but that was a bunch of nonsense. We don't know of any way intelligence can exist without a brain and we don't know of any way data can be stored without volume.
The problem is: The wave-function declares that an "awareness" state collapses the wave-function. The duality of the wave-particle is transformed into physical reality due to the "act of knowing." The act of knowing, which path a particle takes, dertermines whether or not the wave-function collapses into physical reality. It's all scientific evidence. Particles cannot spin without instructional information within the Origins of the Universe. Where does information come from? Intelligence.
@youVSmee "The duality of the wave-particle is transformed into physical reality due to the act of knowing." No, no, no, no. It is the APPEARANCE of the particle created by conscious perception. The particle itself is there whether we see it or not. That is an important distinction you don't seem to be getting.
Of cours. The duality of the wave-particle, implies that it's both a wave and a particle at the same time. HOWEVER, its' the "awareness" state, which collapses it into physical form. Why does a "wave-particle" require something "outside" them in order to have them "transform" from one to the other? That is my main point. They are "dependent" on something else other than themselves. Since photons are confined by dimensions, and mass is also, then, E & M are NOT dimensionLESS:)
The duality is simply, E=MC2 = (M=E/C2), therefore, since energy and matter are both one and the same, yet in different forms, that means that if, one is not eternal, then the other is not eternal either. Now, they both came into existence at the same time, since photons require volume = needs dimensions = needs big bang expansion. Furthermore, since mass require dimensions=needs big bang expansion = had a BEGINNING state.
However, "information is information it is neither nor M.,
@fre Information is IMMATERIAL, it is NOT a physical object. It does not have any DIMENSIONS, nor VOLUME, nor DENSITY. If I place rocks and create words with the rocks, is the information that I just created inside the rocks? No. The information was created from thin air. Information is used in order to communicate via two opposing awareness states. The words I created with rocks being near an ISOLATED boulder, does NOT create information inside any of the rocks. Awareness 'creates & decodes it.
@friendofthefunk Therefore, things that are NOT dimenLESS, had a beginning via expansion of the big bang. The big bang created "spatial dimensions" via x, y & z ( excluding t(ime). A line is a dimension. Geometry shows that dimensions cannot exist within "on-point", obviously.
So, that which requires dimensions,obviously came into existence AFTER the BB = beginning. You cannot regress this Universe beyond "two dimensional" points. That must occur in order for the Universe to be eternal.
@youVSmee Your responses are increasing in length but not in accuracy or coherence. Awareness DOES NOT give reality its physical form. It gives reality it's physical APPEARANCE to the observer. You don't make things real by looking at them.
If you use "information" to mean a metaphysical CONCEPT, then you could make the same claims about any abstraction: humor, beauty, irony, etc. Beauty is an INTERPRETATION of a flower by the observer. But the flower itself is there whether observed or not!
You seem to forget that "flowers" are "three-dimensional" objects. Now, anything that is "physical", cannot exist UNTIL it is collapsed into physical existence according to the Double-Slit experiment, Copenhagen's Interpretation & HUP.
Concentrate on the Origins of the Universe, instead of using things that already pre-exists,i.e. flowers, etc. Within the Origins of the Universe you only had three things existing. 1. Instructional information, 2. Particles and 3. Energy.
Let's only deal with the things which existed within the Origins of the Universe. Can energy & particles exist without, "immaterial instructional information?" No. Is information physical? No. Therefore, you only have two SEGREGATED entities existing within the Origins of the Universe.
1. Instructional information,
2.E=MC2 = (M=E/C2). That's all you had within the Origins of the Universe. Which of these two "transcends" into a "single" dimensionLESS, volumeLESS & densLESS state?
@youVSmee Yawn. Repeat yourself all you want. It doesn't make it true. Things exist whether we see them or not. It's called "object permanence." Most people learn this by age 2.
When the wave-particle is collapsed from the quantum state, it produces particles (mass) or photons(light) at the macro state. The act of "knowing"(which information-path-taken) by a particle, determines WHETHER it collapses or not.
Are you substituting evidnece produced by empircal observable experiments, with "philosophical" ones? You may not agree with what occurs within the quantum state, however, that does not invalidate it. Unless you do not believe in scientific principles.
@youVSmee You're just repeating the same misrepresentation of wave form collapse over and over. And every time you're error is pointed out to you, you say something like "you just don't believe in scientific principles." No, silly. I don't believe YOU, because you completely botch the scientific principles you're trying to use.
Quantum Teleportation, Quantum Cryptography, Quantum EPR experiments, Double-Slit & Quantum Eraser, all display the presence of "information" being involved in order for paired particles to communicate and create "up & down spin", i.e. energy (motion)."Spooky actions in a distance' refers to the communication linkage between particles WITHOUT a physical medium via opposite sides of the Universe. E & particles cannot exists without "information",i.e. ACTIONS in a distance.(Einstein).
The Copenhagen's Interpretation, the Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle & the Double-Slit experiment, "state", that the "wave-function" is collapsed by an "awareness observer",i.e. a conscious state.
You require "intelligence" in order to "observe & measure" anything. The "probable wave" will not collapse "unless" it is "observed & measured."
Dead matter does not "observe & measure." Furthermore, information is "non-physical", therefore, it "transcends" mass & energy."
According to the Copenhagen's Interpretation, the Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle and the Double-Slit experiment, a "Conscious" state, collapses the wave-function, correct?
Within the Double-Slit experiment, the "act of knowing" collapses the wave into physical form. The "act of knowing" refers to "observation" or "measuring."
Not the best resource, but it's a start: Wiki: "In quantum mechanics, wave function collapse (also called collapse of the state vector or reduction of the wave packet) is the process by which a wave function—initially in a superposition of different eigenstates—appears to reduce to a single one of the states after interaction with an observer."
@ExtantFrodo Listen to your own quote: " @youVSmee it never says "nothing interacts without an observer" or worse "nothing exists without an observer".
@Extant The "wave-function" is "collapsed" into a "single" (particle) form, from a "superpositioned" state. You are "attempting" to add "philosophical" arguments into the equation, when in fact, it clearly declares that, "initially in a superposition of different eigenstates—appears to reduce to a single one of the states after interaction with an observer."-Wiki Once again, you contradict your own statement. You seem to speak from two sides of your mouth,i.e. with a fork tongue.
That is they "mystery" which profounds all physicists. However, the trail leads back into an "awareness" state. The Double-Slit experiment, the Copehagen's Interpretation & the HUP, declare that the "wave-function" is collaped into a physical form via an "awareness" state,i.e. a conscious state.
Physicists are puzzled by these "spooky actions from a distance." Yet, that is what "occurs" within the experiments. That which "transcends" mass must "not" be composed of "mass."
@youVSmee sorry bud, again it only leads back to an awareness state in the presence of an observer. As an observer you are making the conditions vary in part according to what you are seeking to observe.
Where you go wrong is claiming that with no observer no conditions exist or interact or vary.
I'll go you one further along your own line of thinking. As we observe the remnants of the BB are we not collapsing that wave function?
The "initial" collapse of the wave-particle is due to the presence of an "awareness" state. You should research the "Double-Slit, the Copehagen's Interpretation and the HUP." The fact that "anything" exists, is based on "us" having an "awareness" state.
We "decode" informaiton and collapse waves into physical existence. When we use "rocks" to create patterns of "symbolic information", we "decode" information into existence via an awareness state.
You cannot have any "information" without intelligence. You cannot have any Communication System wjithout any intelligence. Top-Down Theory, in essence describes things descending from "intelligence" down, rather than from dead matter up to intelligence.
The expansion of the Universe created "volume of space" and inside this volume of space, you have all the fundamental forces, i.e. gravity, electromagnetic field, ect. Everything breaks down into a "wave-function." No awareness = Universe.
@youVSmee "You cannot have any "information" without intelligence."
Environment is information which informs/guides evolution prior to any intelligence. Incremental and gradual intelligence improvement is almost always advantageous to survival.
Information is "not" mass. Information exists "in BETWEEN" paired particles. The communicate via "long distances" without a physical medium in between the paired particles.
There is a Communication System which occurs "outside" the physical particles. You cannot have any Communication System without information, nor information without intelligence. Where did "information" come from? It's not composed of any "physical" properties. Symbolic codes are information, but not mass.
@youVSmee "Information exists "in BETWEEN" paired particles."
Hog Swallow. You can call just about ANYTHING information and it fits. So much so that the words begins to lose any meaning.
BTW, I notice avoided that notion that we're god ,like the plague.
What about it? Are we collapsing the BB as we observe it? To a photo (traveling at C) no time passes. The BB is happening right now. Didn't you know? So WHO is observing and collapsing the singularity we call the omega point?
The "information" proves that "intelligence" precedes' energy and matter. Your job is to "eliminate" information from the Origins of the Universe. Yet, the "wave-function" also demands for the existence of an "awareness" state,i.e., the "act of knowing and observing."
Dead matter cannot collapse itself into existence, nor can energy collapse itself into existence. You require, something non-physical via an awarenesss stae.
There is no such thing as "time." Since time is relative, maybe its spacetime which is moving at c. Imagine this, 186,000 at 1 mp/s, 93,000 at .5 mp/s, and 18.6 miles at .00001 mp/s.
The c is still preserved, but the "distance" changes. Therefore, even "c" is confined by a "beginning" state.
We were "not" existing prior to the big bang. However, you are on the right track, since "awareness" & the "act of knowing" collapsed the FIRST wave into physical (particle) reality.
Quantum Eraser shows that "information" traverses. Without "information" instructing particle to "communicate", then, they could not have any 'up spin & down spin." If that does not occur, then, there is no "motion",i.e. energy.
"Information is information it is neither matter nor energy", N. Weiner, Father of Cybernetics.
Evolution "cannot" occur prior to "the existence of information" within paired particles via the Origins of the Universe. Information "transcends" E & M."
Are we using information in order to communicate and are we "encoding and decoding" this immaterial information? Yes. I just need to create a non-physical state which transcends the phyysical properties of mass.
I can place, 1)a Communication System, 2) information, and 3) an awareness state which collapses the "duality of the wave-particle. It's obvious that a "non-physical" state exists "outiside" this FINITE Universe.
It's only common sense. Is "awareness" a physical object? Are ideas physical objects? Is information a physical object? No, no and no. And the biggest proof of all is this, "something must exist PRIOR to the wave" in order to "collapse" it into the first initial particle.
The Double-Slit experiments shows that the "collapse" is due to the presence of an observer. The observer is a state of "awareness." The Copenhagen's Interpretation & the Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle declare that the "wave-functin" is collapsed by an "observer" i.e. a conscious state.
You forgot the "definition" of the wave-function already? Scroll down a few posts and you will see that a "wave-function" is indeed collapsed by an "observer." Do a "search" on it.
@ExtantFrodo Were you existing within the Origins of the Universe? No. The evidence declares that the "initial" particles came into existence via a collapse of the wave-function.
The "physical " Universe exists due to an "awareness" state. We "decode" things into existence. According to Biocentric Theory, it is "awareness" which causes the Universe to exist.
@youVSmee OK, I can see you are going to never let a single crack in your armor phase you in the least. You won't let yourself even consider the proposition I've brought up repeatedly and simply refuse to address it.
So let's say you are right and we as conscious observers can not be the ones who bring the universe into existence. (IDK why, but well leave that for now.)
Your proposition is that the superpositions of A can not exist and interact with the superpositions of B, I dispute your claim
@Extant E is that which is in the superposition state, not "awareness." Awareness is not "E". Awareness is the "act of knowing" it is not "dead finite matter."
"Information is information it is neither matter nor energy" N.Weiner, Father of Cybernetics. How does awareness arise if "awareness" is not a physical object?
Things that are physical, can create "physical" objects, however, how does something that is "only physical", create something that is "non-physica?"
The Cambrian Era has "segregated phyla" after "their own kind" already set in place. The "phyla" are not "associated' with the "other' species within the Cambrian Era. Along with that, bacteria, worsm, etc., within the "pre-cambrian" era, has "no" transformation fossils from the pre cambrian to the Cambrian Era.
Btw, how can you tell the "offspring" off "dead fossils" just by "looking at them?"
@youVSmee The Cambrian was an interesting time. The advent of "Hard bits" which was such a phenomenal advantage giver that literally all offspring possessing this capability were guaranteed survival. There were no problems for the 3 headed monsters, or the gnarled and twisted of limb, torso or jaw. So long as there was room to evade similarly equipped attackers, successful breeding of virtually every sort of variation was assured. Events like that are rare.
@ExtantFrodo Show me "one" transformation from the pre-Cambrian Era to the Cambrian Era. All "phyla" existing within the Cambrian Era had no "physical conection between them and the pre-Cambrian Era.
Where is the "connection",i.e. the transformations within the two initial columns? As a matter a fact, ( a little of track) the Geological Chart does not even exist.
There were NO PROBLEMS for the 3 headed monsters, or the gnarled and twisted of limb, torso or jaw (that means NEARLY EVERY MUTANT SURVIVED). So long as there was room to evade similarly equipped attackers, successful breeding of virtually every sort of variation was assured. This is in an era that predates the equipment for high fidelity reproduction.
@ExtantFrodo Btw, the other means of creating "sudden" stratas, is through "catastrophes." So, you can have "many different" animals within the, "same period of time" yet mixed through "different levels" of strata.
I refer you to the Mt. St. Helens eruption in the 1980's I believe. That castastrophe buried countless of trees under dozens of different layers of strata.
But you do not realize that the "sequential arrays of strata, i.e. the geological columns are "not in sequential order" and also "many are missing." So, you cannot simply say that, The Geological Chart ( which does not exist) dictates what order must be followed within the Geological Columns.
The Cambrian Era was preceded by the Pre-Cambrian Era, and there is "no transformation fossils from the Pre Cambrian to the Cambrian Era. You have "segreated phyla" already present.
@youVSmee "the geological columns are "not in sequential order" "
You just believe everything some creationist site claims without further examination, don't you? What they won't tell you is that in places where the sequence doesn't follow the consensus there's also corresponding evidence that explains why.
I've said all I'm going to say about the Cambrian. If you can't understand it, then what ever. This dialog is offering me nothing at all.
Once again, you need to "eliminate" the Double-Slit experiments, the Copenhagen's Interpretation, and the HUP if you oppose the wave-function.
Without the presence of "intelligence" you cannot have information existing within the Origins of the Universe.
Can languages exist without informaiton? Can language exist without awareness? No. Can a Communicatino System exist without information? No. Can morse codes exist without intelligence? No.
The Multi-verse has the same problem that a "uni-verse" has. They are both made up of the same "particles and waves." In short, a "Multi-verse" breaks down the same way a single Universe does.
Once again, they both require an "awareness" conscious state, in order to "collapse" the superpositioned (wave) state into a single, physical particle form.No "awareness" equals no mass. No mass equals no physical Universe. It's quite simple indeed.
So you agree that you require "awareness" in order to "create" information, correct? All elements break down into "particles and probable wabes." The Universe is information and information is the Universe.
"Information is information it is neither matter nor energy" N.Weiner, Father of Cybernetics.
Particles require a Communication System via "long distance" and they also use "immaterial information" in order to "create up spin & down spin." If no "spin" occurs = no E.
Matter is made up of "instructional immaterial information", then obviously, when we observe material objects, we are observing a "communication process" within particles taking place, and every particle is simply an "instructional impulse" which vibrates according to its embedded instructions.
In other words, "consciousness" is NOT an emergent property of probable waves, since "probable waves" REQUIRE a conscious state in order to collapse probable waves into a particle.
Therefore, "consciousness" formed the instructional laws of physics & the instructional information within particles and energy, otherwise, physical reality cannot collapse into reality via mass, gravity, time, volume and spatial dimensions.
That which is not confined by "historial regressions" is non-physical and eternal. Awareness is intelligent immaterial information, which has no physical beginning nor end, i.e. no historical regressions.
Where did "awareness" come from in order to "observe & measure" the wave-function? In short, an "awareness" state collapses the *wave-function."
Everything is about "communication" i.e. "interacting via information systems. So consciusness instructs the particles via symbolic immaterial information, & the earth as a whole, has a lower level of "repetitive patterns" of information. Chemistry is a composition of "chemical instructions" which arose from instructional particles, which arose from probable waves, which collapsed via a conscious state, according to the Double-Slit experiments, and the Copenhagen's Interpretation.
The concept of "substance" actually arose from Aristotle (384 BC-322BC). It was from Aristotle, where the science conception of "matter" arose.
However, on the contrary, the concept of substance is indeed "consciousness" i.e. instructional information. We are in fact "conscious co-creators" since " instructional information" is the source of origins, information is the universe and the universe is instructional information.
..to the sequence and combinations of these elements. What are elements? I mean, if they all break down into "particles and waves", and these "particles and waves" cannot collapse into physical elements, UNLESS the probable waves are collapsed by a conscious observer ( Double-Slit experiment), then "every single chemical element" is co-dependent on the pre-existence of a "conscious observer" otherwise, none of them can exists.
For example, if I spell "RACECAR" backwards, what does it spell? RACECAR = RACECAR forwards and backwards. However, "book" equals "koob" backwards. Therefore, the sequence of "symbolic letters" means nothing without the presence of an encoder/sender and also a decoder/receiver.
Now, chemical elements work within the same principle. The "Periodic Table" ( Elements) was "defined" by intelligence, eventhough the "elements" are simply "chemical instructions" which "communicate/react according..
Information has no beginning nor end, it is "immaterial",i.e. its not physical. If I take four symbolic coded letters, which were created by human intelligence, & rescramble the letters into, d, b, c and a, which symbolic letter is actually first?
I mean, "humans" decided to organize symbolic letters into a certain pre-arranged sequence. However, "symbolic letters' have no sequential order, unless they want to "convey a certain message."
Man that was so great.. I love it. I have one thing to add, but I could be wrong. A tree does fall and make sound when there is nobody there because God is aware of it.
But I have to say that was brilliant! I am so thrilled.. Praise be to God the Creator
Thanks. You are correct. Awareness is the "key" to existence, and "awareness" is not physical, its' an immaterial entity. Therefore, that which is not confined by time or dimensions, is not confined by "historical regressions."
Historical regressions are linked to finite "dimensions of time." Therefore, an "Eternal Awareness" state, exists without "physical dimensions & time." This Eternal Awareness state ( Conscious) collapses the duality of a "probable wave & mass"....
"Why something instead of nothing?"
Well that's an interesting question, smee.
I have an interesting question too. Is god something?
lupocephalic 10 months ago
@lupocephalic
Is information something? In short, does it exist in physical form? There are "somethings" which have physical dimensional properties. There are also somethings that have "non-physical" dimensional properties. The only way you can rule the "non-physical" is to rule out the existence of the , "non-physical", i.e., information. We are dealing with two states, the non-physical information & the physical. Therefore, you have to account for the presence of the non-physical existence.
itakeudown 9 months ago
Oh yeah ... I see it all clearly now.
lupocephalic 9 months ago
@lupocephalic
God is non-dimensional information. Is God something physical? No. Is God dimensional? No. That which has no physical beginning, has no physical end. Information has no physical beginning, therefore, no physical end. Absent of time, absent of dimensions, therefore absent of physical cause & effects.
Information is not a physical object. Information is not mass. It's "invisible" and non-tangible. Yet, we cannot deny it's non-physical existence. Where is information? Touch it.
itakeudown 5 months ago
@lupo
"Information is information it is neither matter nor energy" Norbert Weiner, Cybernetics. You cannot have any communication system within the Origins of The Universe without "information." The basis and foundation of existence relies on this non-physical state, i.e., immaterial and non-physical information.
Invisible information represents the presence of an immaterial source, i.e., intelligence within the Origins of The Universe. Why do particle require information & instructions?
itakeudown 5 months ago
@itakeudown
What are you doing? Seeing if my channel is still active?
I've whipped your ass multiple times, smee, fuck off back to the asylum.
lupocephalic 5 months ago
@lupo
Lol..........Wishful thinking?
Create a universe without dimensions, and after you do that, create a dimensionless state before Planck Time. Actions speak louder than words. Show the world what you really know.:D
itakeudown 5 months ago
@itakeudown
I have, repeatedly. I find you to be the worst kind of charlatan. The kind that baffles the unaware with bullshit in order to sell something. In this case, fear. (Which, when you think about it, which I hadn't before, is really quite awful. You're a disgusting sort of person ... wow. Really quite vile.)
There is no god. You cannot prove that there is a god, and all your waffling about concerning what information is fails to prove anything.
lupocephalic 5 months ago
@lupocephalic
Further, you can't get your information god outside of time, no matter what you do.
Event gives rise to time instantly. Nothing can exist beyond time.... and only nothing. If god is something, as you have so nicely *snicker* "proven", then it exists within time. Only nothing can exist beyond time.
So long dumbass.
lupocephalic 5 months ago
@lupocephalic
Nothingness is a permanent state of rest. The Laws of Motion forbids motion to occur within a permanent state of rest, "that which is in rest, will continue to be within a state of rest,.........and....that which is within a state of motion will continue to be in a state of motion, until acted upon."
So, it looks like you got that wrong, huh? Now, what does that leave? An eternal material state, or something outside of this material state.
Dimensions began equals beginning:)
itakeudown 5 months ago
@itakeudown
Nothing ... is .... nothing.
There would have to be a something for the something to be in a state of rest .... but there can't BE a something outside of time ... because only nothing exists there,
Herp a derpa dooooo .... Informashun Theery means GAWD dun it! DERP!
lupocephalic 5 months ago
@lupocephalic
Eternal is the absence of time. Eternal is the absence of a physical beginning. Eternal is absence of a physical end. All you need to do is prove that dimensions are eternal. Create a line without a physical beginning. Change via expansion of big bang is a physical dimension. What existed before the existence of a dimension?
itakeudown 5 months ago
@lupo
As long as something began, then you have to account for its beginning ( Kalam's Law). The universe began via "dimensions", so, if it began, it cannot "begin to exist" and then "not begin to exist" at the same time, in order to create itself into existence.
Nothing is a permanent state of rest. There isn't any motion within it. Nothing is the absence of something. Name one thing that exists without dimensions. Gravity requires dimensional mass. EMF requires expansion & gravity
itakeudown 5 months ago
@lup
Within the quantum state, time does not exist. How much distance between two objects equals one day?
Nothingness does not exist. Create a dimension from a state of nothingness. Energy is two-dimensional ( wave) and photons are also dimensional. So, if spatial dimensions emerged from the big bang, then, "dimensional energy" emerged with, mass, space and (supposedly) one-dimensional time.
itakeudown 5 months ago
Is time one-dimensional? Is it a physical object? Can information become mass? Information is non-dimensional.
itakeudown 5 months ago
@itakeudown
Do you just babble the same thing over and over again without reading what has gone before?
When your argument gets refuted, or pointed out as obvious non-sense, you just prattle on as though nothing has happened with the same questions and comments that were responded to days/months ago.
Below are my final words on this matter, as I am beginning to believe either a: you have a mental disability or b: you are a troll.
You cannot BEGIN with a conclusion and work OUTWARD.
lupocephalic 5 months ago
@lupocephalic
Can you have dimensions prior to the big bang?
itakeudown 5 months ago
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@itakeudown
Fail.
odinata 4 months ago
@lupocephalic
Energy and mass cannot be created or destroyed, correct? So, please explain the existence of "density" prior to the big bang. Density cannot exist without dimensions, so if our universe emerged via spatial dimensions, x, y, z and t, why is there compressed "x, y & z" prior to the big bang? You cannot say that you do not know, since obviously, Heisenburg himself declared that "uncertainty does not pertain to the past"( 1930-Chicago Lecture). Prove that the universe is eternal.
itakeudown 5 months ago
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@lupocephalic
Energy and mass cannot be created or destroyed, correct? So, please explain the existence of "density" prior to the big bang. Density cannot exist without dimensions, so if our universe emerged via spatial dimensions, x, y, z and t, why is there compressed "x, y & z" prior to the big bang? You cannot say that you do not know, since obviously, Heisenburg himself declared that "uncertainty does not pertain to the past"( 1930-Chicago Lecture). Prove that the universe is eternal.
itakeudown 5 months ago
@lupocephalic
Does time exist? Is it a physical object? Does it exist between two separated distances? How many days exist between you and your screen? How many months exist between two solid objects separated by fifty miles? Does time change if you go faster between these two solid objects or locations? What does orbiting around the sun have to do with dimenions and time? What do sunsets and sunrises have to do with dimensional time? Is time one-dimensional?
Can information invisible?:)
itakeudown 5 months ago
@lupocephalic
Does time exist? Is it a physical object? Does it exist between two separated distances? How many days exist between you and your screen? How many months exist between two solid objects separated by fifty miles? Does time change if you go faster between these two solid objects or locations? What does orbiting around the sun have to do with dimenions and time? What do sunsets and sunrises have to do with dimensional time? Is time one-dimensional?
Can information invisible?:)
itakeudown 5 months ago
@itakeudown
Yes. No. It exists in the event of marking distance. Insufficient data.No.Nothing, except for the event of it. Nothing, except for the event of it. Omni-Dimensional. Define invisible. Do you mean undetectable? if yes, then no.
lupocephalic 5 months ago
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@lupocephalic
Does time exist? Is it a physical object? Does it exist between two separated distances? How many days exist between you and your screen? How many months exist between two solid objects separated by fifty miles? Does time change if you go faster between these two solid objects or locations? What does orbiting around the sun have to do with dimenions and time? What do sunsets and sunrises have to do with dimensional time? Is time one-dimensional?
Can information invisible?:)
itakeudown 5 months ago
@lupocephalic Why is there information within the Origins of The Universe? The trajectory of particles displays informaiton about it's location, etc. Where does information come from? It never has a physical beginning, never has a physical end, it never exists within finite time.
itakeudown 5 months ago
Nothing is not "zero", since zero is a mathematical human construct. You can create "imaginary loops" and "right angels" to represent imaginary time, but time does not "loop" within complex numbers. Create information with mass.
Information is invisible. Information is still observable within our reality, but it takes no physical form. If the "fruit" is invisible, then its source (intelligence) is also invisible,i.e., eternal. Energy & particles cannot exist without information.
itakeudown 5 months ago
What came first? Information or two-dimensional information? Information is the only thing which requires inteligence in order to exist. Yet, we observe it within Quantum experiments (Double-Slit, Quantum Eraser). You should also do some research on Quantum Information Theory.
itakeudown 5 months ago
@itakeudown
Double Slit proves god and disproves god at once. So .... w/e.
I know information theory ... The problem is that YOU don't. You suppose an outcome and then attempt to make "spooky" into god.
Go fuck a goat.
lupocephalic 5 months ago
since we exist, something has always existed, but atheist love to troll against logic when it leads them to God
IloveYOUviruses 10 months ago
what's all this then? those paragraphs in the description are absurd
mattosbored 11 months ago
-"Why is there something instead of nothing?" I assume from the statements that follow that this is a question of causality. If the existence of something necessitates a cause, then, by your own standard, something caused your god.
StarkReality13 1 year ago
@StarkReality13
That which has a "beginning" requires a "cause", however, that which is "immaterial and non-physical" is not governed by a "physical" beginning state. You must realize that this Universe is governed by "spatial dimensions & volume."
Therefore, it clearly came into existence AFTER the big bang. However that which has no physical properties ( information & ideas are not physical objects) are not confined by dimensional spatial dimensions and volume.
youVSmee 1 year ago
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@youVSmee "That which has a "beginning" requires a "cause", however, that which is "immaterial and non-physical" is not governed by a "physical" beginning state." So your god is a kind of software program that can magically poof the hardware it needs to operate into existence. Interesting.
StarkReality13 1 year ago
@StarkReality13
Information is that which exists in BETWEEN paired particles. The COMMUNICATION process between paired particles is NOT a physical entity. Information is used in order to communicate via ABSENCE of a physical medium via LONG DISTANCES.
Mass & energy (photons) require instructional information in order to create "motion" ,i.e. energy via up & down spin. If there is no communication process occurring between paired particles, there cannot be any energy nor mass.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@StarkReality13
Eternal is the absence of "forward time" absence of "a beginning" and "end." Information has no beginning point. Information "traverses" via Quantum Eraser, teleporation & cryptography. That which exists between two physical objects ( message/instructional information) is not a physical entity.
I can use rocks to create "information" but the informaiton is NOT inside the rocks. Software is NOT physical. Ideas are NOT physical.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@Stark
The expansion of the big bang "initiated" forward physical time. However, information "traverses" and its not a physical object. The Quantum experiments show that information can exists within the "present" and the "past' at the same time.
The "erased information" ( information path taken) was deliberately "erased & delayed" YET, both paired particles "re-established" their communication AFTER the information path/slit taken was DELAYED/ERASED. Information is NOT confined by time.
youVSmee 1 year ago
Has this snake oil been dermatologically tested? The muzak made me feel a bit sick.
djfreakout 1 year ago
For the record, I'm not an Athiest. But this whole upload is terrible and embarrising! (if it isn't a joke!) I'm not wasting my life watching 15 minutes of this rot, but the description makes absolutely no sense at all! It's the ramblings of some poorly educated person, reciting drivel they've been brainwashed by some other fool.
If you have a valid point, explain it clearly. Cause that crap you've written makes as much sense as a person constructing random sentences with random words.
DougFiasco 1 year ago
@DougFiasco
It's quite simple. All particle (massless or not) require "dimensions & volume" in order to exist. The big bang is the cause of "dimensions & volume." Furthermore, the electromagnetic field, the strong & weak force, gravity, black holes, vacuums, etc., came into existence "after" the big bang NOT before it.
Therefore, "everything" except non-physical information, came into existence "after" the BB. Now, E & M require "information" in order to create "spin & counter" spin = energy
youVSmee 1 year ago
Is this a joke?
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friend
If you believe that the Universe created itself into existence, then, "yes" it's a joke. If you realize that the "wave-function" can only be collapsed by an "awareness" state, therefore, "intelligence" must exist "prior" to the probable wave which collapses into matter, then, it's not a joke.
Do u believe that a "densed" state existed prior to the BB and "expanded" to what we observe today? If so, "What is "density" doing within the quantum state? Density occurs "after" the BB.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Since no one knows existed before the big bang, yet you're postulating your own made-up rules about what did exist before the big bang, I'll take that as yes it's a joke.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendo
Do some simple "math" and you will see that it is "impossible" for the "physical" Universe to have come to "physical" existence on it's own, "unless' it came into existence via "nothingness." The Universe is composed of "three spatial" dimensions via x, y & z.( excluding one-dimensional time = t).
Dimensions require "two-points' via "T1(now) through T2(later). You cannot have a "dimension" without "two separated points. Time has two points via "motion" (past) through (present).
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee I like that you put "math" in quotes. That pretty much says it all.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
It's "simply" used in order to "catch" your attention. Obviously, IT did. It worked.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Well it certainly "shows" how much you actually "know."
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendoft
Refute my claims instead of using philosophical arguments. Belittling someone does not win arguments. That is usually done when they are "angry" and become "defensive." Show me the math in order to support an eternal state without dimensions, volume & density prior to the big bang. Energy & particles require instructional information in order to create UP & down spin. That is where you get your 'motion', i.e. energy. No instructional ACTIONS, equals no motion, no energy & no M.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Making up your own science doesn't win arguments either. We simply don't know what caused the big bang or what the universe was like before it. Many astrophysicists believe it is impossible to know. Yet you absurdly postulate that there must have been some sort of massless, energy-less consciousness -- something not known to science at all.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
We "know" that a "conscious awareness" state, collapses the wave into physical form. If E & M are self-caused, then: Why do they require something "outside" themselves in order for E to transform into M? Why?
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Who said E & M are self-caused? I don't think "self-causation" is even a coherent concept. Furthermore, you are equivocating with the term "wave function collapse." It is the APPEARANCE of wave function collapse TO THE OBSERVER that is affected by observation. That doesn't mean observation creates the matter itself. Physics chugs right along whether we watch it with a microscope or not. If a tree falls in a forest and no one's around to hear it, it still falls in the damn forest.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@youVSmee And that is the fundamental hypocrisy of your thinking: in your insistence that pre-big bang science must fit our understanding, you postulate something that blatantly violates our scientific understanding. The "God of the Gaps" is nothing but an even bigger gap. And that's how a theist checkmates himself every time.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
Since the "physical" Universe cannot "regress" past "two-points"(dimensions), therefore, that PROVES that this Universe is composed of a beginning dimensional state. Remember, supposedly, there was a "densed" state PRIOR to the big bang. BIG PROBLEM. How can you have "density", which requires "dimensions" in order to obtain density? Think. That is impossible.
Therefore, you cannot "magically" have "density, volume & mass" prior to the expansion of the big bang.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee You are thinking in terms of a true singularity, which is a theoretical state that isn't necessarily the actual state before the big bang. It could have just been an extremely condensed state. But even if there were a true singularity, we have no way of knowing what the rules of physics would be for a state without matter and space so to postulate your own rules about what it was like is just silly.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
You cannot have any "fundamental force" in order to create any 'condensed' state. We are using "math" in order to observe real physical properties. You are using 'philosophical' arguments, which use 'imaginary' time & imaginary numbers in order to come up with 'imaginary' results. The collapse of the wave-function requires an awareness observer, in order for the probable wave to collapse into physical mass ( Double-Slit experiment, the Copenhagen's Interpretation, HUP.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@friend In order for something to be eternal, it must be able to "transcend" the "dimensional factor." In short, that which is eternal, must not require "physical dimensions" and must be able to exist without "volume, dimensions & density."
Energy (photons) have "volume", & volume requires "dimensions" in order to exist. However, information is not a physical object. It's immaterial & does NOT require dimensions, volume, nor mass. It transcends beyond "two-points", into a dimensionLESS state.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee We don't know of a way for energy to exist without volume just like we don't know of a way for awareness to exist without energy and mass.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
Awareness is not a physical object. Why is it that the "act of knowing, observing & measuring" causes the wave-function to collapse? Why? That is because, energy & particles require instructional information via an awareness state, according to experiments & scientific principles.
It all makes sense via mathematics. Logic 'blocks' us from understanding that, but math & science declares the presence of 'observance', which causes reality. Information TRANSCENDS M & E.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "Awareness is not a physical object." True, but it is a physical phenomenon. Knowledge itself is an abstraction, but to possess, acquire, store, retain, or transmit knowledge is a physical action.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk This input information (data) allows for particles & enegy to map the physical Universe according to the set instructions pertained within the information. Thinking integrates that information into previous learned material as it decodes itself into informational knowledge.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee No. "Data" is a term for information collected by human beings. The universe itself doesn't use data. You are anthropomorphizing, a common mistake resulting in the belief that the universe must be governed by a human-like consciousness.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
Where then does information come from? Information is neither matter, nor energy. Moreover, as the American philosopher and mathematician, William Dembski (1960- ), correctly inferred, “Information is sui generis. Only information begets information.”
Create an eternal physical state "without" dimensions. That which exists within a "single" volumeless, dimensionless, and denseless state, can be described as an eternal, non-physical state.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Information the window sill, that is information that tells us it is raining outside. It is the way we perceive the stimulus that makes it information. But if we weren't around to turn the sound of raindrops into information, the raindrops would still be there. Information requires a physical realm. The physical realm doesn't require information. See? You've got it backwards.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
The scientific principles declare that "information (awareness) is that which collapses the wave into physical form. Enery & matter are NOT information, rather, they are DEPENDENT on the immaterial presence of instructional information.
A tree cannot fall without the presence of an observer. If you are not there, you must travel to its location in order to "confirm" that it fell. That parallels with the "collapse" of the wave-function ( tree). Science "refutes" your claim.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "A tree cannot fall without the presence of an observer." Come on, don't you see how ridiculous that is? I know someone who got up one day and a tree had fallen on her car during the night. I guess there must have been someone watching it or else it wouldn't have fallen, huh? And I suppose you think when you leave a room everything in the room ceases to exist. There is nothing scientific about that worldview. That is the worldview of an infant.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
You do not seem to grasp the significance of what occurs within the, "quantum realm." The quantum realm arose from a non-physical immaterial state. According to the Quantum Eraser experiment, information traverses and can exist within two places at the same time. Particles require instructional information in order to create spin & counter spin.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "Particles require instructional information in order to create spin & counter spin." No, you just made that up. Anyone can make up their own fake science and then claim other people "don't seem to grasp the significance" of it. It's an easy trick. The problem is no one seems to be falling for it.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
Are you really suggesting that "instructional information" does not exist in order for paired particles to communicate via LONG DISTANCES? Explain how particles communicate via long distances. "Information is information it is neither matter nor energy" N. Weiner,Father of Cybernetics.
Quantum Eraser displays the presence of information between paired particles. In fact, the eliminated information(information path-taken), is RE-established, by its co-paired particle.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
No, you have it backwards. The only way that matter & energy transcends information, is if information came into existence "after" the big bang. Matter & energy require "dimensions", so that shows they are not eternal. Now, since E & particles REQUIRE instructional information in order to CREATE up & down spin ( motion=e).
The only thing which can exist within ONE-POINT( dimensionLESS, volumeLESS & denseLESS) is information. Information came into existence FIRST = ETERNAL.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee You can repeat your fake science all you want, but it doesn't make it true. There is absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever for your claims.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
1. Does "awareness" collapse the wave-function? Yes.
2. Does "awareness" relate to the presence of "an observer & measurer?" Yes.
3.Does an observer & a measurer collapse the wave-function? Yes.
4.Does the "act of knowing" collapse the wave-function? Yes.
5.Does the "act of knowing" require intelligence in order to "know", "observe" and "measure" the wave-function? Yes.
youVSmee 1 year ago
6.Does all of this take place within the Origins of the Universe via Double-Slit, the Copenhagen's Interpretation & HUP? Yes.
7.Does information require intelligence in order to exist? Yes.
8.Does information require "awareness" in order to "decode" it into existence? Yes.
9.Does information exists within Communication Systems? Yes.
10.Do Communication require intelligence in order to exist? Yes.
11. Is information a physical object? No.
12. Is awareness a physical object? No.
youVSmee 1 year ago
(Q-Eraser) Information "traverses", information is "non-physical" and informaiton has no beginning nor end. Intelligence is required in order to have information. Ideas, awareness, observations and measuring abilities in order to "decode" things into existence, require intellience in order to exist.
Informaiton requires "awareness" in order to "collapse" the wave-function. Awareness is non-physical, therefore can exists at two places "at once" via past and present. The future is the "now."
youVSmee 1 year ago
Take two empty cd's and fill one up with 700 megs. What is the difference in mass? None. Information is massless, therefore it is not confined by a "begining physical state. That which has no 'beginning" canot have "an end." It is "timeless and non-physical.
That which is "timeless" does not have a "beginning finite point." That which has no finite beginning point, has no beginning history. Therefore, that which is non-physical is "not" governed by "historical REGRESSIONS."
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "Take two empty cd's and fill one up with 700 megs. What is the difference in mass? None. Information is massless" Come on. The mass of both CDs is greater than zero, so you haven't shown how information can be stored without mass. Writing to a CD just rearranges the physical particles already on it into a particular pattern. So what you're saying is kind of like "a paper airplane has the same mass as the unfolded paper, therefore airplanes don't require mass."
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@fr The Universe is three-dimensional excluding time. Each dimension involves two-points. Now, if that is the case, explain how something that requires "dimensions" be described as existing "without dimensions" prior to the big bang, which happen to create "dimensions?" Duh. So, the Universe obviously had a "beginning", yet, "energy & matter" cannot be created nor destroyed, only transform from one to the other & visa versa. Now, explain the "creation" of E & M, via "beginning" dimensions.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee First of all, it's not certain that the universe had a beginning. When physicists talk about the universe beginning with the big bang, they usually mean the universe "as we know it." And even if space and time did literally begin with the big bang, your argument still makes no sense. Because nothing can precede the beginning of time by definition, including your completely made-up sentient being that somehow exists without dimensions.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
You must realize that "information" is non-physical. NOw, why is there something non-physical within a physical & dimensional Universe? Think. If the Universe requires dimensions, and E & M are confined to "dimensions" since photons have volume and particles have mass. Therefore, photons & mass are governed by "dimensions", which came into existece AFTER the big bang. You cannot have density, volume nor mass PRIOR to the BB. The BB create dimensions(x, y & z) via EXPANSION.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
Information does NOT require volume, dimensions nor density in order to exist. Where does information come from? Intelligence. Information is data that is related to each other in a very specific way to make sense to some decision-maker (a mind). Thus, you need at least two bits of data to create one piece of information.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@fri Information is a term with many meanings depending on context, but is as a rule closely related to such concepts as meaning, knowledge, instruction, communication, representation, and mental stimulus.
Information is organised data (raw facts and figures) in a specific context.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk Information is a non-physical, immaterial entity completely unrelated to matter/energy.
“Thought can be about cars or rocks, but there are no cars or rocks in the brain; not only that, within the mind, there are no neurons, only ideas of cars & rocks."
youVSmee 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk Information systems take data (facts, figures, pictures, numbers, symbols, letters, codes, et cetera) and process the raw data into useful information for decision-making, and control, purposes.
A fact, or figure, in isolation has no meaning at all. Thinking is a complex, internal, mental process that uses, and creates, information.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Sorry, but that was a bunch of nonsense. We don't know of any way intelligence can exist without a brain and we don't know of any way data can be stored without volume.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@fri
The problem is: The wave-function declares that an "awareness" state collapses the wave-function. The duality of the wave-particle is transformed into physical reality due to the "act of knowing." The act of knowing, which path a particle takes, dertermines whether or not the wave-function collapses into physical reality. It's all scientific evidence. Particles cannot spin without instructional information within the Origins of the Universe. Where does information come from? Intelligence.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "The duality of the wave-particle is transformed into physical reality due to the act of knowing." No, no, no, no. It is the APPEARANCE of the particle created by conscious perception. The particle itself is there whether we see it or not. That is an important distinction you don't seem to be getting.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
Of cours. The duality of the wave-particle, implies that it's both a wave and a particle at the same time. HOWEVER, its' the "awareness" state, which collapses it into physical form. Why does a "wave-particle" require something "outside" them in order to have them "transform" from one to the other? That is my main point. They are "dependent" on something else other than themselves. Since photons are confined by dimensions, and mass is also, then, E & M are NOT dimensionLESS:)
youVSmee 1 year ago
@friend
The duality is simply, E=MC2 = (M=E/C2), therefore, since energy and matter are both one and the same, yet in different forms, that means that if, one is not eternal, then the other is not eternal either. Now, they both came into existence at the same time, since photons require volume = needs dimensions = needs big bang expansion. Furthermore, since mass require dimensions=needs big bang expansion = had a BEGINNING state.
However, "information is information it is neither nor M.,
youVSmee 1 year ago
@fre Information is IMMATERIAL, it is NOT a physical object. It does not have any DIMENSIONS, nor VOLUME, nor DENSITY. If I place rocks and create words with the rocks, is the information that I just created inside the rocks? No. The information was created from thin air. Information is used in order to communicate via two opposing awareness states. The words I created with rocks being near an ISOLATED boulder, does NOT create information inside any of the rocks. Awareness 'creates & decodes it.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk Therefore, things that are NOT dimenLESS, had a beginning via expansion of the big bang. The big bang created "spatial dimensions" via x, y & z ( excluding t(ime). A line is a dimension. Geometry shows that dimensions cannot exist within "on-point", obviously.
So, that which requires dimensions,obviously came into existence AFTER the BB = beginning. You cannot regress this Universe beyond "two dimensional" points. That must occur in order for the Universe to be eternal.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Your responses are increasing in length but not in accuracy or coherence. Awareness DOES NOT give reality its physical form. It gives reality it's physical APPEARANCE to the observer. You don't make things real by looking at them.
If you use "information" to mean a metaphysical CONCEPT, then you could make the same claims about any abstraction: humor, beauty, irony, etc. Beauty is an INTERPRETATION of a flower by the observer. But the flower itself is there whether observed or not!
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
You seem to forget that "flowers" are "three-dimensional" objects. Now, anything that is "physical", cannot exist UNTIL it is collapsed into physical existence according to the Double-Slit experiment, Copenhagen's Interpretation & HUP.
Concentrate on the Origins of the Universe, instead of using things that already pre-exists,i.e. flowers, etc. Within the Origins of the Universe you only had three things existing. 1. Instructional information, 2. Particles and 3. Energy.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@friend
Let's only deal with the things which existed within the Origins of the Universe. Can energy & particles exist without, "immaterial instructional information?" No. Is information physical? No. Therefore, you only have two SEGREGATED entities existing within the Origins of the Universe.
1. Instructional information,
2.E=MC2 = (M=E/C2). That's all you had within the Origins of the Universe. Which of these two "transcends" into a "single" dimensionLESS, volumeLESS & densLESS state?
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Yawn. Repeat yourself all you want. It doesn't make it true. Things exist whether we see them or not. It's called "object permanence." Most people learn this by age 2.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friendo
When the wave-particle is collapsed from the quantum state, it produces particles (mass) or photons(light) at the macro state. The act of "knowing"(which information-path-taken) by a particle, determines WHETHER it collapses or not.
Are you substituting evidnece produced by empircal observable experiments, with "philosophical" ones? You may not agree with what occurs within the quantum state, however, that does not invalidate it. Unless you do not believe in scientific principles.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee You're just repeating the same misrepresentation of wave form collapse over and over. And every time you're error is pointed out to you, you say something like "you just don't believe in scientific principles." No, silly. I don't believe YOU, because you completely botch the scientific principles you're trying to use.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
@friend
Quantum Teleportation, Quantum Cryptography, Quantum EPR experiments, Double-Slit & Quantum Eraser, all display the presence of "information" being involved in order for paired particles to communicate and create "up & down spin", i.e. energy (motion)."Spooky actions in a distance' refers to the communication linkage between particles WITHOUT a physical medium via opposite sides of the Universe. E & particles cannot exists without "information",i.e. ACTIONS in a distance.(Einstein).
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee Define "information."
friendofthefunk 1 year ago
this video does not belong in the category of science OR education.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
The Copenhagen's Interpretation, the Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle & the Double-Slit experiment, "state", that the "wave-function" is collapsed by an "awareness observer",i.e. a conscious state.
You require "intelligence" in order to "observe & measure" anything. The "probable wave" will not collapse "unless" it is "observed & measured."
Dead matter does not "observe & measure." Furthermore, information is "non-physical", therefore, it "transcends" mass & energy."
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee it never says "nothing interacts without an observer" or worse "nothing exists without an observer".
You exemplify the axiom " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
According to the Copenhagen's Interpretation, the Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle and the Double-Slit experiment, a "Conscious" state, collapses the wave-function, correct?
Within the Double-Slit experiment, the "act of knowing" collapses the wave into physical form. The "act of knowing" refers to "observation" or "measuring."
youVSmee 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
Not the best resource, but it's a start: Wiki: "In quantum mechanics, wave function collapse (also called collapse of the state vector or reduction of the wave packet) is the process by which a wave function—initially in a superposition of different eigenstates—appears to reduce to a single one of the states after interaction with an observer."
youVSmee 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
Now, "What did you say about "not" requiring an "observer" in order to collapse the wave-function?
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "Now, "What did you say about "not" requiring an "observer" in order to collapse the wave-function?"
I'm pretty sure I never said that.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo Listen to your own quote: " @youVSmee it never says "nothing interacts without an observer" or worse "nothing exists without an observer".
Now, what did you mean by that?
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee It means, my very slow friend, that things exist and interact regardless whether you have a collapse of wave functions.
Personally I think Young's experiment is more indicative of multiverse than anything else. Experiments to test this are in development.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@Extant The "wave-function" is "collapsed" into a "single" (particle) form, from a "superpositioned" state. You are "attempting" to add "philosophical" arguments into the equation, when in fact, it clearly declares that, "initially in a superposition of different eigenstates—appears to reduce to a single one of the states after interaction with an observer."-Wiki Once again, you contradict your own statement. You seem to speak from two sides of your mouth,i.e. with a fork tongue.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee sorry where does it state that because you can not envision how a superposition of sates can interact that they don't?
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
That is they "mystery" which profounds all physicists. However, the trail leads back into an "awareness" state. The Double-Slit experiment, the Copehagen's Interpretation & the HUP, declare that the "wave-function" is collaped into a physical form via an "awareness" state,i.e. a conscious state.
Physicists are puzzled by these "spooky actions from a distance." Yet, that is what "occurs" within the experiments. That which "transcends" mass must "not" be composed of "mass."
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee sorry bud, again it only leads back to an awareness state in the presence of an observer. As an observer you are making the conditions vary in part according to what you are seeking to observe.
Where you go wrong is claiming that with no observer no conditions exist or interact or vary.
I'll go you one further along your own line of thinking. As we observe the remnants of the BB are we not collapsing that wave function?
( Twilight Zone theme music begins to play)
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
The "initial" collapse of the wave-particle is due to the presence of an "awareness" state. You should research the "Double-Slit, the Copehagen's Interpretation and the HUP." The fact that "anything" exists, is based on "us" having an "awareness" state.
We "decode" informaiton and collapse waves into physical existence. When we use "rocks" to create patterns of "symbolic information", we "decode" information into existence via an awareness state.
youVSmee 1 year ago
You cannot have any "information" without intelligence. You cannot have any Communication System wjithout any intelligence. Top-Down Theory, in essence describes things descending from "intelligence" down, rather than from dead matter up to intelligence.
The expansion of the Universe created "volume of space" and inside this volume of space, you have all the fundamental forces, i.e. gravity, electromagnetic field, ect. Everything breaks down into a "wave-function." No awareness = Universe.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "You cannot have any "information" without intelligence."
Environment is information which informs/guides evolution prior to any intelligence. Incremental and gradual intelligence improvement is almost always advantageous to survival.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
Information is "not" mass. Information exists "in BETWEEN" paired particles. The communicate via "long distances" without a physical medium in between the paired particles.
There is a Communication System which occurs "outside" the physical particles. You cannot have any Communication System without information, nor information without intelligence. Where did "information" come from? It's not composed of any "physical" properties. Symbolic codes are information, but not mass.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "Information exists "in BETWEEN" paired particles."
Hog Swallow. You can call just about ANYTHING information and it fits. So much so that the words begins to lose any meaning.
BTW, I notice avoided that notion that we're god ,like the plague.
What about it? Are we collapsing the BB as we observe it? To a photo (traveling at C) no time passes. The BB is happening right now. Didn't you know? So WHO is observing and collapsing the singularity we call the omega point?
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
The "information" proves that "intelligence" precedes' energy and matter. Your job is to "eliminate" information from the Origins of the Universe. Yet, the "wave-function" also demands for the existence of an "awareness" state,i.e., the "act of knowing and observing."
Dead matter cannot collapse itself into existence, nor can energy collapse itself into existence. You require, something non-physical via an awarenesss stae.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
There is no such thing as "time." Since time is relative, maybe its spacetime which is moving at c. Imagine this, 186,000 at 1 mp/s, 93,000 at .5 mp/s, and 18.6 miles at .00001 mp/s.
The c is still preserved, but the "distance" changes. Therefore, even "c" is confined by a "beginning" state.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@extant
We were "not" existing prior to the big bang. However, you are on the right track, since "awareness" & the "act of knowing" collapsed the FIRST wave into physical (particle) reality.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "not existing prior" says a guy who just said time is relative. LOL. Did you look up the Elemental Wave yet?
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@youVSmee Then again you might want to look into the Elemental Wave Theory
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
Quantum Eraser shows that "information" traverses. Without "information" instructing particle to "communicate", then, they could not have any 'up spin & down spin." If that does not occur, then, there is no "motion",i.e. energy.
"Information is information it is neither matter nor energy", N. Weiner, Father of Cybernetics.
Evolution "cannot" occur prior to "the existence of information" within paired particles via the Origins of the Universe. Information "transcends" E & M."
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee they have up spin and downspin, but no one is there to care care. Existence precedes information.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
Are we using information in order to communicate and are we "encoding and decoding" this immaterial information? Yes. I just need to create a non-physical state which transcends the phyysical properties of mass.
I can place, 1)a Communication System, 2) information, and 3) an awareness state which collapses the "duality of the wave-particle. It's obvious that a "non-physical" state exists "outiside" this FINITE Universe.
That is all I need to do. E & M are not eternal.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "I just need to create a non-physical state which transcends the physical properties of mass."
Just because your imaginary world's simulations do not need to conform to physical laws does not mean they can exist outside a physical medium.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
It's only common sense. Is "awareness" a physical object? Are ideas physical objects? Is information a physical object? No, no and no. And the biggest proof of all is this, "something must exist PRIOR to the wave" in order to "collapse" it into the first initial particle.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee they are not physical objects, but they only manifest on a physical substrate.
You still don't get that it doesn't have to colapse.
Call back when you get it.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
The Double-Slit experiments shows that the "collapse" is due to the presence of an observer. The observer is a state of "awareness." The Copenhagen's Interpretation & the Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle declare that the "wave-functin" is collapsed by an "observer" i.e. a conscious state.
You forgot the "definition" of the wave-function already? Scroll down a few posts and you will see that a "wave-function" is indeed collapsed by an "observer." Do a "search" on it.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee You're almost on a roll. As I observe the Hubble bubble horizon am I not collapsing the wave function? I've asked five times now.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo Were you existing within the Origins of the Universe? No. The evidence declares that the "initial" particles came into existence via a collapse of the wave-function.
The "physical " Universe exists due to an "awareness" state. We "decode" things into existence. According to Biocentric Theory, it is "awareness" which causes the Universe to exist.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee OK, I can see you are going to never let a single crack in your armor phase you in the least. You won't let yourself even consider the proposition I've brought up repeatedly and simply refuse to address it.
So let's say you are right and we as conscious observers can not be the ones who bring the universe into existence. (IDK why, but well leave that for now.)
Your proposition is that the superpositions of A can not exist and interact with the superpositions of B, I dispute your claim
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@Extant E is that which is in the superposition state, not "awareness." Awareness is not "E". Awareness is the "act of knowing" it is not "dead finite matter."
"Information is information it is neither matter nor energy" N.Weiner, Father of Cybernetics. How does awareness arise if "awareness" is not a physical object?
Things that are physical, can create "physical" objects, however, how does something that is "only physical", create something that is "non-physica?"
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "How does awareness arise if "awareness" is not a physical object?"
Your proposition is that the superpositions of A can not exist and interact with the superpositions of B, I dispute your claim.
"how does something that is only physical, create something that is non-physical?"
You missed the class on evolution of intelligence?
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
The Cambrian Era has "segregated phyla" after "their own kind" already set in place. The "phyla" are not "associated' with the "other' species within the Cambrian Era. Along with that, bacteria, worsm, etc., within the "pre-cambrian" era, has "no" transformation fossils from the pre cambrian to the Cambrian Era.
Btw, how can you tell the "offspring" off "dead fossils" just by "looking at them?"
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee The Cambrian was an interesting time. The advent of "Hard bits" which was such a phenomenal advantage giver that literally all offspring possessing this capability were guaranteed survival. There were no problems for the 3 headed monsters, or the gnarled and twisted of limb, torso or jaw. So long as there was room to evade similarly equipped attackers, successful breeding of virtually every sort of variation was assured. Events like that are rare.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@youVSmee "The Cambrian Era has "segregated phyla" after "their own kind" already set in place."
Please show me a single quadruped from the Cambrian.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo Show me "one" transformation from the pre-Cambrian Era to the Cambrian Era. All "phyla" existing within the Cambrian Era had no "physical conection between them and the pre-Cambrian Era.
Where is the "connection",i.e. the transformations within the two initial columns? As a matter a fact, ( a little of track) the Geological Chart does not even exist.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "Geological Chart does not even exist."
Go back to school ( unless it was home school ).
"Show me "one" transformation"
read again...
There were NO PROBLEMS for the 3 headed monsters, or the gnarled and twisted of limb, torso or jaw (that means NEARLY EVERY MUTANT SURVIVED). So long as there was room to evade similarly equipped attackers, successful breeding of virtually every sort of variation was assured. This is in an era that predates the equipment for high fidelity reproduction.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo Btw, the other means of creating "sudden" stratas, is through "catastrophes." So, you can have "many different" animals within the, "same period of time" yet mixed through "different levels" of strata.
I refer you to the Mt. St. Helens eruption in the 1980's I believe. That castastrophe buried countless of trees under dozens of different layers of strata.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee You obviously don't know what use radiometric dating is to differentiate different LAYERS from different STRATA.
Show me the mix of modern mammals and dinosaurs. It doesn't exist.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
But you do not realize that the "sequential arrays of strata, i.e. the geological columns are "not in sequential order" and also "many are missing." So, you cannot simply say that, The Geological Chart ( which does not exist) dictates what order must be followed within the Geological Columns.
The Cambrian Era was preceded by the Pre-Cambrian Era, and there is "no transformation fossils from the Pre Cambrian to the Cambrian Era. You have "segreated phyla" already present.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@youVSmee "the geological columns are "not in sequential order" "
You just believe everything some creationist site claims without further examination, don't you? What they won't tell you is that in places where the sequence doesn't follow the consensus there's also corresponding evidence that explains why.
I've said all I'm going to say about the Cambrian. If you can't understand it, then what ever. This dialog is offering me nothing at all.
ExtantFrodo 1 year ago
@Ext
Once again, you need to "eliminate" the Double-Slit experiments, the Copenhagen's Interpretation, and the HUP if you oppose the wave-function.
Without the presence of "intelligence" you cannot have information existing within the Origins of the Universe.
Can languages exist without informaiton? Can language exist without awareness? No. Can a Communicatino System exist without information? No. Can morse codes exist without intelligence? No.
youVSmee 1 year ago
@ExtantFrodo
The Multi-verse has the same problem that a "uni-verse" has. They are both made up of the same "particles and waves." In short, a "Multi-verse" breaks down the same way a single Universe does.
Once again, they both require an "awareness" conscious state, in order to "collapse" the superpositioned (wave) state into a single, physical particle form.No "awareness" equals no mass. No mass equals no physical Universe. It's quite simple indeed.
Where does "awareness" come from?
youVSmee 1 year ago
God's name is present in our DNA? But we named the constituents of DNA you dozy bastard.
bluemoonrising26 1 year ago
@bluemoonrising26
So you agree that you require "awareness" in order to "create" information, correct? All elements break down into "particles and probable wabes." The Universe is information and information is the Universe.
"Information is information it is neither matter nor energy" N.Weiner, Father of Cybernetics.
Particles require a Communication System via "long distance" and they also use "immaterial information" in order to "create up spin & down spin." If no "spin" occurs = no E.
youVSmee 1 year ago
Can you have "information" without intelligence? Can you have a Communication System without "intellience?" Is informaiton a physical object? No.
youVSmee 1 year ago
This is BY FAR my favorite video!
Thank you, this is totally awesome!
1speed2racer7 1 year ago
Matter is made up of "instructional immaterial information", then obviously, when we observe material objects, we are observing a "communication process" within particles taking place, and every particle is simply an "instructional impulse" which vibrates according to its embedded instructions.
In other words, "consciousness" is NOT an emergent property of probable waves, since "probable waves" REQUIRE a conscious state in order to collapse probable waves into a particle.
youVSmee 1 year ago
Therefore, "consciousness" formed the instructional laws of physics & the instructional information within particles and energy, otherwise, physical reality cannot collapse into reality via mass, gravity, time, volume and spatial dimensions.
youVSmee 1 year ago
That which is not confined by "historial regressions" is non-physical and eternal. Awareness is intelligent immaterial information, which has no physical beginning nor end, i.e. no historical regressions.
Where did "awareness" come from in order to "observe & measure" the wave-function? In short, an "awareness" state collapses the *wave-function."
youVSmee 1 year ago
Everything is about "communication" i.e. "interacting via information systems. So consciusness instructs the particles via symbolic immaterial information, & the earth as a whole, has a lower level of "repetitive patterns" of information. Chemistry is a composition of "chemical instructions" which arose from instructional particles, which arose from probable waves, which collapsed via a conscious state, according to the Double-Slit experiments, and the Copenhagen's Interpretation.
youVSmee 1 year ago
The concept of "substance" actually arose from Aristotle (384 BC-322BC). It was from Aristotle, where the science conception of "matter" arose.
However, on the contrary, the concept of substance is indeed "consciousness" i.e. instructional information. We are in fact "conscious co-creators" since " instructional information" is the source of origins, information is the universe and the universe is instructional information.
youVSmee 1 year ago
..to the sequence and combinations of these elements. What are elements? I mean, if they all break down into "particles and waves", and these "particles and waves" cannot collapse into physical elements, UNLESS the probable waves are collapsed by a conscious observer ( Double-Slit experiment), then "every single chemical element" is co-dependent on the pre-existence of a "conscious observer" otherwise, none of them can exists.
youVSmee 1 year ago
For example, if I spell "RACECAR" backwards, what does it spell? RACECAR = RACECAR forwards and backwards. However, "book" equals "koob" backwards. Therefore, the sequence of "symbolic letters" means nothing without the presence of an encoder/sender and also a decoder/receiver.
Now, chemical elements work within the same principle. The "Periodic Table" ( Elements) was "defined" by intelligence, eventhough the "elements" are simply "chemical instructions" which "communicate/react according..
youVSmee 1 year ago
Information has no beginning nor end, it is "immaterial",i.e. its not physical. If I take four symbolic coded letters, which were created by human intelligence, & rescramble the letters into, d, b, c and a, which symbolic letter is actually first?
I mean, "humans" decided to organize symbolic letters into a certain pre-arranged sequence. However, "symbolic letters' have no sequential order, unless they want to "convey a certain message."
youVSmee 1 year ago
Man that was so great.. I love it. I have one thing to add, but I could be wrong. A tree does fall and make sound when there is nobody there because God is aware of it.
But I have to say that was brilliant! I am so thrilled.. Praise be to God the Creator
claudiusbranson 1 year ago
@claudiusbranson
Thanks. You are correct. Awareness is the "key" to existence, and "awareness" is not physical, its' an immaterial entity. Therefore, that which is not confined by time or dimensions, is not confined by "historical regressions."
Historical regressions are linked to finite "dimensions of time." Therefore, an "Eternal Awareness" state, exists without "physical dimensions & time." This Eternal Awareness state ( Conscious) collapses the duality of a "probable wave & mass"....
youVSmee 1 year ago