Of course if you tear down a building that is on fire, you'll probably spread the fire to other homes. Just as easily, if you remove public education today, you'll have chaos tomorrow. That's straightfoward logic. No right minded libertarian is calling for that.
Well I dont entirley disagree with you. But if you look at the approach Milton Firedmann had to the schooling proplem you will reaslise that your worries are not necsessary. Since he argues that it is generally good for everbody if kids can get some education even if there parants are poor, therefor it is ok to tax everyone for that. And hes (at least here in Europe) considerd hardcore pro free-market...
@ineptsegue Your essay contains the odd dubious reference. To their credit, none of the articles referenced express the know-it-all tone of your essay/videos
An opinion doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of understanding, but your black-and-white views do. You are not dumb asses - I take that back - but you ARE smart asses and your claims ARE about as intelligent as Michael Behe's; That is MY contention. And if you must make such arrogant videos, expect rude comments. So there! :P
@JohnColt Methinks your comment says more about your security in your own beliefs and the lack of decency in your own philosophy than it does about the video's speaker's intelligence.
@Beingism Methinks you have a big head. "Myth!" lol... I suppose you think you know more about economics than Milton Friedman and Adam Smith combined. You are the one who is too certain in his beliefs; it takes more than a copy of "Disaster Capitalism" to be a world authority on economics. Your video makes you look like one of those creationist nutters who go on about the "myths" of evolution.
@Beingism Not an empty comment. My point is this: I think it's great that you are expressing your opinion with these videos, even if your opinion is wrong. What I object to is the tone - the whole "myth" theme. Who are you to dismiss complex issues in this way? Who are you to say that libertarian economics is based on myths? Do you think you know more about economics than Milton Friedman?
From our exchanges, it's clear that you are smart. But in these videos you come across like a smart-arse.
@JohnColt I'm sorry you're offended by the tone. It isn't intended to be disparaging, but merely authoritative. On the other hand, I can think of no reason we should defer to Milton Friedman, especially when so few modern economists are free market ideologues. You might consider as well that when you open with a comment like "this guy is a dumbass," you lose a bit of the moral high ground, I'm afraid.
@Beingism Oh I see, you merely wish to be "authoritative" LOL. Unlike you, I have no desire for moral high ground.
The "myths" you speak of are nothing of the sort. These are complex issues that continue to be debated. Friedman is one example of a recent and very acclaimed economist who would disagree with everything you say. You have the arrogance to dismiss as "myth" his (and others') arguments. Publish your myths in a journal if you're such an authority; I dare you!
I guess we just don't agree that Friedman's expertise supersedes that of most other economists, or that only commentary designed for publishing in journals is worth posting to the internet.
@Beingism It's not about Friedman. The point is that these so-called myths are not myths. You are entitled to not be persuaded by libertarian arguments, but to brush them off as myths only shows that you are not sufficiently familiar with all sides of the debates. And who are you to take such a tone on complex issues? What are your qualifications? If you have none, then which notable economists are you quoting?
Private schools would also feel obliged to give scholarships to low income students. That happens already it wouldnt change... the only thing that would change would be govt loans which are the reason college prices are so high
People are buying ice cream because ice cream companies advertise. People do not care about educating other people when they do not even have a choice over where their own kids are being educated. People would rather buy health care for themselves them for someone across the seas. When you say market values you mean the values people have chosen. That is what they are. If you want to change that I encourage you to protest and get the word out but I will fight back against violence if employed.
People should look into the kinds of values they want their child to learn as the child should also take critical thinking skills learned from a good parent to evaluate the values available. I would rather have my child adopt poor values as a fault of my own than let government tell them what values to internalize. But you do not trust consumer to make good choices in a free market so how could they make good choices in a values market. I do not need someone else's values pushed on me.
As far as truth goes I know your truth. "Collective Values". The State must protect your child from the harshness of the market or else they may fall prey to their own choices. And, god forbid, you fail to raise them properly. No, the State must step in and prevent this by teaching the "truth", right? I know your kind of truth and you can have it for yourself.
The private schools would see huge parts of the market unserviced and ignore it? Cheaper schools would sprout up to fill gaps. With shifts in technology innovation will come. Who knows? Online schools may take off. Home tutors may lower prices to corner markets. In all these cases the funders are the parents of the child. If the parent is unsatisfied with what is being taught they leave the school and teach them at home or with a tutor.
"Without public education, many people would no longer receive education, which would, obviously, lead to fewer educated people."
^How do you know this statement is true? Private schools can replace public schools and history show they can do it cheaper. Another video with a flawed premise.
Of course if you tear down a building that is on fire, you'll probably spread the fire to other homes. Just as easily, if you remove public education today, you'll have chaos tomorrow. That's straightfoward logic. No right minded libertarian is calling for that.
FreeEcon 7 months ago
Well I dont entirley disagree with you. But if you look at the approach Milton Firedmann had to the schooling proplem you will reaslise that your worries are not necsessary. Since he argues that it is generally good for everbody if kids can get some education even if there parants are poor, therefor it is ok to tax everyone for that. And hes (at least here in Europe) considerd hardcore pro free-market...
cyberlibertarian 8 months ago
@ineptsegue Your essay contains the odd dubious reference. To their credit, none of the articles referenced express the know-it-all tone of your essay/videos
An opinion doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of understanding, but your black-and-white views do. You are not dumb asses - I take that back - but you ARE smart asses and your claims ARE about as intelligent as Michael Behe's; That is MY contention. And if you must make such arrogant videos, expect rude comments. So there! :P
JohnColt 1 year ago
this guy is a dumbass.
JohnColt 1 year ago
@JohnColt Methinks your comment says more about your security in your own beliefs and the lack of decency in your own philosophy than it does about the video's speaker's intelligence.
Beingism 1 year ago
@Beingism Methinks you have a big head. "Myth!" lol... I suppose you think you know more about economics than Milton Friedman and Adam Smith combined. You are the one who is too certain in his beliefs; it takes more than a copy of "Disaster Capitalism" to be a world authority on economics. Your video makes you look like one of those creationist nutters who go on about the "myths" of evolution.
JohnColt 1 year ago
@JohnColt If you wish to continue to post to our videos, please refrain from empty comments and insults.
Beingism 1 year ago
@Beingism Not an empty comment. My point is this: I think it's great that you are expressing your opinion with these videos, even if your opinion is wrong. What I object to is the tone - the whole "myth" theme. Who are you to dismiss complex issues in this way? Who are you to say that libertarian economics is based on myths? Do you think you know more about economics than Milton Friedman?
From our exchanges, it's clear that you are smart. But in these videos you come across like a smart-arse.
JohnColt 1 year ago
@JohnColt I'm sorry you're offended by the tone. It isn't intended to be disparaging, but merely authoritative. On the other hand, I can think of no reason we should defer to Milton Friedman, especially when so few modern economists are free market ideologues. You might consider as well that when you open with a comment like "this guy is a dumbass," you lose a bit of the moral high ground, I'm afraid.
Beingism 1 year ago
@Beingism Oh I see, you merely wish to be "authoritative" LOL. Unlike you, I have no desire for moral high ground.
The "myths" you speak of are nothing of the sort. These are complex issues that continue to be debated. Friedman is one example of a recent and very acclaimed economist who would disagree with everything you say. You have the arrogance to dismiss as "myth" his (and others') arguments. Publish your myths in a journal if you're such an authority; I dare you!
JohnColt 1 year ago
I guess we just don't agree that Friedman's expertise supersedes that of most other economists, or that only commentary designed for publishing in journals is worth posting to the internet.
Beingism 1 year ago
@Beingism It's not about Friedman. The point is that these so-called myths are not myths. You are entitled to not be persuaded by libertarian arguments, but to brush them off as myths only shows that you are not sufficiently familiar with all sides of the debates. And who are you to take such a tone on complex issues? What are your qualifications? If you have none, then which notable economists are you quoting?
JohnColt 1 year ago
@JohnColt Your opinion is noted.
Beingism 1 year ago
Private schools would also feel obliged to give scholarships to low income students. That happens already it wouldnt change... the only thing that would change would be govt loans which are the reason college prices are so high
OntologicalQuandary 2 years ago
People are buying ice cream because ice cream companies advertise. People do not care about educating other people when they do not even have a choice over where their own kids are being educated. People would rather buy health care for themselves them for someone across the seas. When you say market values you mean the values people have chosen. That is what they are. If you want to change that I encourage you to protest and get the word out but I will fight back against violence if employed.
SSSLLLAAYYEEERRRR 3 years ago
People should look into the kinds of values they want their child to learn as the child should also take critical thinking skills learned from a good parent to evaluate the values available. I would rather have my child adopt poor values as a fault of my own than let government tell them what values to internalize. But you do not trust consumer to make good choices in a free market so how could they make good choices in a values market. I do not need someone else's values pushed on me.
SSSLLLAAYYEEERRRR 3 years ago
As far as truth goes I know your truth. "Collective Values". The State must protect your child from the harshness of the market or else they may fall prey to their own choices. And, god forbid, you fail to raise them properly. No, the State must step in and prevent this by teaching the "truth", right? I know your kind of truth and you can have it for yourself.
SSSLLLAAYYEEERRRR 3 years ago
The private schools would see huge parts of the market unserviced and ignore it? Cheaper schools would sprout up to fill gaps. With shifts in technology innovation will come. Who knows? Online schools may take off. Home tutors may lower prices to corner markets. In all these cases the funders are the parents of the child. If the parent is unsatisfied with what is being taught they leave the school and teach them at home or with a tutor.
SSSLLLAAYYEEERRRR 3 years ago
"Without public education, many people would no longer receive education, which would, obviously, lead to fewer educated people."
^How do you know this statement is true? Private schools can replace public schools and history show they can do it cheaper. Another video with a flawed premise.
SSSLLLAAYYEEERRRR 3 years ago