Sir.. I am referring to your first video that sent me here.. Don't you mean a bVI and a bVII and bIII ? Was the teaching at Musicians Institue different in 92 than that of the current system? Sincerely Niatsirk
That kind of progression must have been used a million times since the early 20th century. Basically a ii-V-I-vi with a IV chord acting as a substitute for the ii chord. How common. No plagiarism here. And besides, the melodies sound similar, i'll give you that. Yet i've heard WAY more similar melodies shared by two songs, and nobody seemed to even notice these.
I love how bands are copying each other all the time with no big deal being made out of it and then Coldplay, one of the few remaining decent bands out there, allegedly plagiarize joe douchirani and get crucified. Does that make any sense?
@covertsniperr96 Who's the douche the artist who's trying honestly to make music and make a living. Or the "artist" who are to lazy to come up with their own music so they copy from someone else. "Decent band" my ass.
Man, you are just a Joe Satriani fanboy, I saw your video of him and Los Enanitos Verdes, and it was very biased. I don't think anyone should actually listen to a single thing this guy says, since it is obviously leaning towards Satriani.
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U know Cliffs of Dover by Eric Johnson? This song have be plagued by Cheryl Cole Fight for this Love... heres the link or check on my channel /watch?v=4rtmPIXTnrQ
I'm a big fan of Joe but after watch this video I found this one: watch?v=Glsx1F3GQsE which is from a band called "Enanitos Verdes" from Argentina. I think "Los enanitos verdes" should sue Joe Satriani , what do you think?
I think it would have been fine if it were a small similarity but these are nearly perfect matches. I bet if you played them on the other they would flow awesomely
this reminds me of the infinite monkey theorem. it states that if you enough monkeys in a room with their own type writer and give them an unlimited time, eventually one of them will write out a complete work such as shakespeare's hamlet. i believe music has got to have a higher probability of this happening.
@skater7744 aside from the fact that the national anthem of the USA was basically ripped off from the anacreontic song and almost every popular song from the last 30 years is ripped off of pachelbel's cannon in D.
there is absolutely no logic in chris martin "purposely stealing" and "copying" a relatively obscure guitarist's work when he has won multiple grammys with his work. think with your heads people, he simply was influenced and while he wrote one of the songs satriani's stuff popped in his head without him noticing it.
@ckh1901 That happens a lot actually. No lie. I completely forgot what it's called, but it's where a musician unconsciously "plagiarizes" a song that they have heard before, but they don't remember hearing the song in the first place. If you are a musician, sometimes you will have a melody in your head and you will say "I'm a genius! I must play this melody that hath stricken my mind like LIGHTNING!" Then you'll play the song, and a few months later you will hear "your" melody on the radio...
@ckh1901 ...lol Basically, you heard the melody, forgot about it immediately, then it resurfaced in your head at a later time and you suddenly thought it was your own idea. It's subconscious plagiarism, or cryptomnesia as it is sometimes called.
@ckh1901 - Joe Satriani is hardly a "relatively obscure guitarist!" He propelled many popular band's guitarists to fame - among them, Primus, Metallica, Exodus, Testament, Counting Crowes, Third Eye Blind, Steve Vai, Charlie Hunter, and others you may have heard of... Not to mention, filling in lead guitar roles for Mick Jagger, Deep Purple, and organizing and playing at numerous Guitar Benefit/Appreciation gigs across the globe...
The logic is Satriani writes great songs, and Coldplay knows it!
@ZEGO24x the key word is relative. he propelled many popular band's guitarist to fame, but in terms of fame, satriani does not eclipse coldplay.
"The logic is Satriani writes great songs, and Coldplay knows it!" Coldplay also writes great songs, independently, which they have done for effectively all their works. in any case, cp has paid satriani an amount both parties believe acceptable, and both have gone on to bigger and better things. i sometimes dont understand the butthurt satriani fans
@ckh1901 - Firstly, this is NOT the first time Coldplay have resorted to "borrowing from" other artists, and as a fellow musician, I think it stinks when someone takes your hard work and creativity and blatantly rips it off/steals it/passes it off as their own. This is why I am so against (c)rap artists who simply "sample" - (modern word for steal) a riff or line, and then spout their inane dribble over the top of it... But Coldplay paid up, because they were guilty of theft - simple as that!
@ZEGO24x While I'm not really a fan of sampling, it is a bit different. At least sampled artists tend to receive royalties and credit in the liner notes. Besides, it's pretty much implied at this point that rap artists aren't responsible for the music in their songs. Coldplay are just theives.
@ZEGO24x That you use a glib term like "(c)rap" shows how biased you are against rap in the first place. I love Satriani and instrumental music, but sampling has an entirely different purpose than plagiarism. It's acknowledged that rap artists use the samples as backing tracks - he/she isn't taking credit, and even if that isn't explicit, the purpose is to "cut and paste" a piece of a song to make something new out of it. Coldplay claimed Satriani's music as their completely original work.
@metallicakixtotalass - Glad you shared your opinion, but I still stand by the notion that "sampling" is NOT creating new music - it is still stealing! THIS is why I am anti-rap. I like creativity, and I admit, I like some of the phrasing that rappers use - the rhythmic flow can be quite good at times, but I don't condone the use of another artist's work to augment their street style poetry. If it is THAT hard to write some new original hooks/riffs, then maybe they are in the wrong industry...
@ckh1901 Butthurt Satriani fans? You mean people who hate plagurism? And who gives a fuck about fame? There isn't a guitarist alive who doesn't know who Satriani is. And Satriani has infinitely more respect among musicians. Coldplay are hacks.
The bottom line is Coldplay violated copyright laws and Satriani is well within his legal and moral rights to take them to court, you can't just steal an entire song (with melody) from a famous musician and expect for everything to be ok.
@ckh1901 Obscure? LOL, you have no idea what you are talking about. It is highly improbable to copy the whole song so closely, which is why Coldplay paid the money. They knew they were caught and it was game over.
He does a great job comparing the songs. I just hate that he doesn't give an opinion, haha. I want something to agree with or argue! :P Personally, I feel like Coldplay and Joe Satriani's songs are both originial.
@AwesomeChannelTV true dat, Coldplay took a small motive from Santriani, and elaborated it into an epic sounds-scape and interesting story. Great composers have practiced the same technique for hundreds of years. Stravinsky got MOST of his material from established folk songs and fellow composers, then created NEW works based on them. Coldplay has simply done the same applied to pop music. Rare artistry for pop really. Chord progressions and melodies are recycled ALL the time! Name of the game.
@SuperFabioff Learning how to write a sentence without the word "mate" should be your Brit boy. It is not proper grammer to use "m8"...might I suggest some american college classes? I suggest this because from what I have seen your schools fail to teach you proper grammer..........So how about focus on your own falts before jumping on others you british bastard?
@metachozoite 1, It's spelt "grammar". 2, It's spelt "faults". 3, "American" is capitalised. 4, The syntax of all of your sentences are incorrect in some way or another.
All you've done with this statement is (ironically) mock the American college system. Then again, I guess you didn't expect a 'British Bastard' like me to be smart enough to notice these mistakes. Leave the nationalism out of it, because you're not winning any points for your side.
@KristianFenn1 Its more the fact I dont care what you think so I didnt think it important enough to correct the grammar....the american college system is a joke ....a good bit of it...trust me I attend it :)
..your annoyong...and this dissicussion was over a week ago and was concluded then...grow up~
I apologize for arrogant pricks such as the one you have encountered on this video recently that give Americans a bad name. Please don't associate all of us with people like this.
@fightliferockin hey man you guys dont know me...and he started that garbage....and no one took anyone down a notch..im not an arrogant prick...so please recorrect youself~
@metachozoite. funny , last thing i remember you all speak english in america ? oh yes you do so how about you stop putting your nose everywhere where it doesn't belong mabey thats why the world hates you. Last thing i also remember 23 million people in the USA are illeterate more than 17 % higher than figures in any country in europe so how about getting an education yourself rather than jumping on others you redneck bastard ?
@metachozoite it is actually spelt "grammar." Unlucky MATE, how about you actually go to college before you open you mouth ,which apparently you americans use alot as one in three of you are obese, and make nonsensical comments. You silly silly man.
@stefsopinion94 your opinion means as much to me as spit on the side walk...and you brits talk to much, are stupid, and immature as hell....I do attend college smart ass...im a 4.0 student im not to worried about it on youtube because it dosent matter. But hey neither do you~
@metachozoite Speaking of GRAMMAR i shall correct you again in your sentence "it dosent matter" , in fact is correctly written as , "it DOSEN'T" matter. Also an ass is a donkey , i think "Arse" is the spelling your looking for ? But HEY us brits are the stupid ones. Well then if I were you , i would ask your college for your money back because you are slacking very highly in the English language or mabey you are just stupid? P.S. "Immature" you stupid being.
@stefsopinion94 but you are not me...so ha...dont worry about what i do...you worry about you....so i didnt put in the coma splice...i do not care.......maybe i am stupid...what is it to you?
@metachozoite Your "coma spice" is in fact called an Apostrophe. We use is in words such as Doesn't or I'm. It replaces a letter we take out in a contracted verb. Example: does not = doesn't. Well , what it means to me is that , you can have your opinion , however making stupid , hypercritical comments about the british education system ,which I value, annoys me as well as calling us "british bastards." Comment on this video about music not National diffrences which you know nothing about.
your education system is a joke...as are you~ go fuck yourself man...you wanna do something about it then come to the u.s. and ill happly introduce you to my aka 47~
@stefsopinion94 brave words coming from someome who was raised in a country where one dictator after another was killed for power........and where prostution is a way of llfe for a lot of women...americans are superior to people like you....wo dont do that trash and unless you plan to come over here and do something about it fuck off~ im tired of the harrassment.
@metachozoite Dude, do me a favor and never bring nationality into this again. I'm from America but I would never take your side. Your grammar is absolutely horrible. Your attitude makes me realize it's assholes like you that make the world hate us. And making threats over a keyboard and threatening random people with a gun I'm sure you don't own. Really, man, this is a video about copyrights. You embarrass me. You embarrass yourself. I don't ever want to read another word from you.
@fightliferockin Im not embrassing anybody...you alll think to highly of your selfs....as for my attitude...i act this way because i dont want to be bothered by you guys just becaue I made a comment you dont agree with...all you people on youtube can do is insult so i throw back...im not an ass kisser like most of you... i speak my mind
@stefsopinion94 find something else to do...you are waisting you time with me and engery you could be using else where...and dude id get a job over you anyway with the engineering stuff.
@metachozoite I Didn't understand half of that. You are just another typical american who throws himself into the fire with his incorrect facts and judgements about national races whom he has probably never met before. Carry on playing music and watching music videos , and stop thinking you are a Professor because you attend college. Other from that I love coldplay and i think Joe Satriani is lucky for ayone to copy his music even though he may be italian :P
@stefsopinion94 whatever man....keep on with the delusion...lay off the drugs....and my judgements are made by a lot of americans....we all share the same opinion btw
@stefsopinion94 by the way...as for my weight...i have severe depression bexcause of people like YOU...so now i take anti depression pills to keep me from trying to kill myself again....weight should not matter and if it does then you are shallow...and no woman would have you with your attitude....your only talking big because its behind a computer screen~ As for your musical tastes...whppoty do.
@thisismynamehahaha joe satriani's piece did not have any vocals and coldplays melody consists of a wide range of instruments if you listen to satriani's song it does'nt have the same bass or unique sound that coldplay has.
damn that is a shame. There IS a lot of things you can do with music, but your bound to have similarity somewhere. How much music has been written since the dawn of mankind? I know somewhere satriani has influences on how he plays. Mabey he doesnt realize how those influences affect his theory of playing. Somewhere there must be a satriani melody that is similar to a melody written before his own time. If not then he is an alien. But either way satriani is still a great guitarist. But still...
"I guess I was just rushed and didnt pay enough attention to that"
Forget suing Coldplay.. I'm suing YOU for negligence... ;-)
Seriously though, forget about the Satriani comparison.. the chord progression and general feel of the song is identical to Alizee "J'en Ai Marre".. look it up..
@petedogg369 which is essentially what 99% of the music out there is today. Look up "Four Chord Song" by the Axis of Awesome....Apparently according to your comment....It's hard to find originality these days. just cause they sound similar doesn't mean they didn't work on it. *sigh*
I don't listen to Coldplay or Joe Satriani or care about the copyright battle going on between them. I just came to learn some Music Theory, and thanks for helping me understand more about it through this. :D
@joeyjokester@zakkattack99 The more popular the artist is, the more right he/she is? What sort of a fucked up argument is this. Let me tell you, Satriani's reputation in the instrumental rock industry is way larger than Coldplay's reputation in the pop industry. I am a big fan of both artists. But this is a question of intellectual property. And it seems like Satriani was right.
You are so full of Bullshit it's Pathetic. Your telling me you can 100% without any doubt whatsoever tell the specific exact difference between 8/10 of a 10th of a min. ???
Here's my advice to you... FUCK OFF. Your just a stupid asshole Coldplay fag. That band sucks balls and the only people that like their shit is dumb chicks and homo's!
@jippie11261 whoa there bro... calm down. I was just saying the tempos are actually a bit different. And yeah I actually do know that those numbers are right because I tapped the tempo out. Also, I was not saying that Coldplay did not copy this song...
I disagree i can play most songs with four chords and most of today's songs sound exactly the same i think that satriani was wrong in intending to sue as it is only and chords that sound the same and nothing else.
@meadish First of all, though the cord progressions sound similar, they are actually not thatd similar. the reason they sound similar is because the groove is pretty much the same. so i don't think that courtney could've sued satch. secondly, the main reason that satch sued coldplay was because of the huge similarity is the melody. if there was no similarity in the melody, joe satriani most likeley woukdn't have been able to sue coldplay over the chord progression alone.(look at my 2nd comment)
@ meadish First of all, though the cord progressions sound similar, they are actually not thatd similar. the reason they sound similar is because the groove is pretty much the same. so i don't think that courtney could've sued satch. secondly, the main reason that satch sued coldplay was because of the huge similarity is the melody. if there was no similarity in the melody, joe satriani most likeley woukdn't have been able to sue coldplay over the chord progression alone. lastly, both "viva
Seriously speaking, I bet there are a dozen songs out there with this basic chord progression - it isn't exactly that unusual.
One song I thought of straight away when hearing Satch's supposed original, was 'Malibu' with Hole. Not 100% similar but similar enough that Courtney might be able to sue Satch. Check it out and see if you agree.
@meadish First of all, though the cord progressions sound similar, they are actually not thatd similar. the reason they sound similar is because the groove is pretty much the same. so i don't think that courtney could've sued satch. secondly, the main reason that satch sued coldplay was because of the huge similarity is the melody. if there was no similarity in the melody, joe satriani most likeley woukdn't have been able to sue coldplay over the chord progression alone.(look at my 2nd comment)
@meadish lastly, the two songs would have been played at any tempo but they were exactly the same.With that said, i don't think you should dislike coldplayh.all artists listen to other music and coldplay has other good songs, and coldplay may not have even copied satch, it is just likely.you can prove that the 2 songs sound the same and have the same arrangements but u cant prove that they stole it.u have to understand that viva la vida got 2 grammys wich probably pissed the crap out of satch
@TacoBurritoMunch All valid points. I guess the matter has been settled in court and that both Satch and Coldplay are not losing sleep over the matter anymore.
@Joeyjokster it was proven they didnt steal the song. Im my opinion is sounds nothing like his song. I think is weird he waited that long to drop a lawsuit on them. And no they do not suck
@BVOcean That's exactly it. It's not the same song. It sounds similar but it's not the same so it's not actually copied. Just one group of great musicians being influenced by another great musician.
Joe has taught many original musicians,a niceguy reputation been and could have sued thousands of times before,why Coldplay?Could it be the same reason that made Brian Eno say the next time he produces Coldplay,the singer should stay at home for a month and let the Band write some music before he comes in? It pays to be nice on your way up...
1) Almost every pop tune is in the meter of 4/4 and shares similar rock groove
2) Comparing tempi is stupid, really. There are only a handful of tempi in pop which are relevant to even talk about.
3) The chord progressions (which aren't even the same) are used very frequently, especially if you take every possible chord substitution into account.
4) A descending melody line is also a trick with a well known emotional effect, used in many songs.
@wccrispy i can assure you satch wouldn't be proud of having such a dumbass audience. justin beiber is also a top "musican" right now, right there with coldplay
It's pretty clear that the Coldplay song is a direct ripoff. That said, it doesn't really matter. Everything is a copy of something else at some level. You don't get to lock off every chord progression or melodic line that you ever write.
At the end of the day, Joe Satriani plays it in a way that few could ever duplicate. In this case the performance is far more valuable than the actual theory behind it. Without the Satriani's skill and nuance, the piece falls flat.
Listen. Who is gonna be talking about a band like Coldcrap in 10 or 20 years like we have been for all these years for Satriani. There's no comparison, please.
You guys should know that what all the Coldplay hate is really doing is just making you lose credibility (as if that mattered on the internet, especially on youtube). Brushing the biased idiots aside, this comparison really does show how similar the two songs are... but we should remember that it's absolutely [possible] that sometimes even musicians can create the exact same sounds - after all, they are bound by the same musical boundaries.
And if you're wondering, I like both artists. As for the copying, I'm sitting on the fence. The only people that will truly know whether Coldplay copied Satriani are the members of Coldplay themselves. It seems quite probable that they copied the song, but it's also possible that they didn't. Oh and I got carried away here... thanks for creating and sharing this video.
When u have a melody that is based on such a common half step interval and the way it resolves... god knows how many copies there are. Respect for joe satriani but i really didn't like his song to much, it reminds me of a solo in a latin christian song, i like coldplay's and enanitos verdes take on this common motif better. Lawsuit was ok, coldplay has money to burn and joe is a cult classic so that balances things out
Unless Chris Martin (Coldplay singer/songwriter) has two voice boxes or more which I have never heard of, there is no way Coldplay copied the melody to this song. You say France Limon's melody is monolistic. Viva La Vida is also monolistic unless Chris Martin has 2 voice boxes or more. I'm pretty sure Chris does not have more than one voice box. So this argument fails. Correct me if I'm wrong. If Joe did not rip off France Limon, than Coldplay did not rip off Joe Satriani.
@Nadine375 Satriani's song uses a basic musicality that is also found is France Limon, but the way it happens is different. This video's maker also has one about that very thing, in which the differences are shown more clearly.
Coldplay's song, on the other hand, uses almost an exact copy of Satriani, using diatonic substitution to try to get around it. You also talk about Martin having double voice-boxes, as if the rest of the music underneath doesn't have any affect on the overall sound.
If a 4 bar section of melody is the same as another song it is copyright violaton. Remember, MELODY not chords, or feel or anything else, otherwise we'd have 5 songs in all of music. That melody could be in a guitar part or any instrument but that is what is copyrightable.
I also disagree with your analysis, I say the songs are in major, starting on the IV chord for the Coldplay and the IIm for the Satriani song.
Forget Viva La vida. That was they cheap album. If your into very nice and mellow music, Albums parachutes and x & y and amazing. Coldplay is still a good band.
I just want to add that coldplay is bad bend, no doubt about it, and they hardly can be as good as satriani even when you take his worst works
anyway, if there is a little difference you just can't say that someone has stolen melody or chord progression because there is a lot coincidental things in music
I guarentee you that if you go rooting around every composition out there you will no doubt discover similarities in many songs. I do however agree that coldplay copied that song but from your other video, i dont agree that chord composition and rythm can be considered sufficient grounds for accusation. There are only so many options for harmony out there. For me it has to be melody and harmony together to be sufficient. great vids though! keep it up
Waw my mind id melting....you mentioned the KD lang/stones case with constant craving but ive just noticed that on the chorus of the satriani tune he uses the exact chord progression as in KD's tune.
oh common!! i'm a songwriter/composer and i'm telling you that when you write a song you can't be sure that it's completly original. and the comparison on rythme and chord progression it's absurd! it's just the melody. of course if you have a chord change you would put "brothers" notes..of course they're a substitution..
yeah, i don't agree.. the melody is a bit similar, but it's not the same..so..no
This is an unoriginal melody and chord progression that's been used a million times, and if either musician wants to claim ownership of it then they can go sue the other 10000 musicians who've used it. Luckily, it was dismissed from court and there was an out-of-court settlement on it, because all of it is BS.
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what is not being realized here is that the chord progression in question is one of the most common chord progressions in all of music. it has been used in literally dozens, if not hundreds of songs. also, you cannot copy right chord changes so it doesn't really matter to begin with.
i cant remember exactly but there was a song that was older than satriani's song and had the same guitar melody...anyone know what i'm talking about?
also, that melody and chord progression aren't exactly the most creative and unique things i've ever heard, so in my opinion the similarities are unintentional.
@peroslowned Do you mean Cat Stevens' Foreigner Suite? And yeah! I totally agree about the chord progression, it's so simple, and the notes that are played/sung over it more or less sing themselves...
@peroslowned Do you perhaps Samba Pa Ti from Santanta? The guitar sound is similar, and it has a samba/latin vibe, the chords are different though (just a suggestion).
Why would Coldplay go around stealing songs when they obviously have asked special permission before to incorporate riffs/chords into their music (Talk- Computer Love) this was just a coincidence and Satriani either saw it as an opportunity to make more bucks or he really felt someone stole his music. Let's forget all the mainstream and popularity that Coldplay has now along with all the paraphernalia and look back and actually see how amazing the guys from Coldplay are.
Who cares? All of coldplay's other songs are much better anyway. Why is it so big? Because there really isn't guitar or legit instruments other than classical ones. That's what the kids want these days. Don't get me wrong, both sides have true talent. I don't know. They're close, but not exact. Let's leave it at that. It's not enough for me.
The BIGGER issue here is because it's kinda crappy to sue about this kind of vague influence or coincidence (more likely since nobody but guitar geeks listen to Joe Satriani), and since it's problematic to use copywrite law in a way that could potentially stifle creativity (since it makes it potentially illegal to write songs that "kinda sound like" other songs) and goes against the point of copywrite law, Satriani is a tool.
Honestly, if you have to work this hard to figure out whether it's plagiarism, it probably isn't. There's nothing particularly novel about the melody, the groove or the chord progression. Why not say, "hey they sound kinda similar and that's interesting," and drop it?
That's from a "legal" or "ethical" standpoint. As a starting place for a conversation about music theory, this is interesting, and you handle that well. You're probably a very good teacher.
@zakkattack99 Buuuull crap. Coldplay is FAR more interesting and relevant than Satriani ever was. Satriani's best is fucking elevator music. And I'd rather listen to a donut on the radio than wait for the next Satriani interview. Coldplay is something. Satriani is nothing.
@ElGatoEsNumeroUno Because Satch typically records instrumental records, which will never be as commercially viable as music with a vocalist. Spice Girls sold tons od records too; talent has nothing to do with it. Satch has infinitely more respect among musicians than Coldplay ever will. Coldplay are popular because they are lowest-common-denominator garbage. They are only able to create the illusion of being song-writers by ripping off others. Satch, Radiohead, Cat Stevens, etc.
@mantlepicture Funny you put Cat Stevens and Satriani in the comment, since Satriani plagiarized from Stevens. Oh and also from Los Enanitos Verdes. :D
@mattallica464 Well, in the few months ago that you wrote that stupid comment, Coldplay has released Mylo Xyloto, which is the top album on Billboard and iTunes. :D
Well you should read all the way back to the first comment,cause you and everone misses the point is that coldplay in more "popular" but will they be around in 20 years.WGAFF
Seriously you're overanalysing it...all these facts don't change the fact that it's a pretty simple and obvious chord progression with a pretty simple and obvious melody progression over it. These things happen, get over it.
I'm sure chris martin didn't actually think that he could steal something from joe satriani and just get away with it. I think that either he has heard the satriani song and got the melody stuck in his subconcious, or that it's a coincidence.
And the fact that cat stevens claims the same thing, there's also a huge similarity without a doubt...wouldn't that mean that satriani stole it from cat stevens?
Sir.. I am referring to your first video that sent me here.. Don't you mean a bVI and a bVII and bIII ? Was the teaching at Musicians Institue different in 92 than that of the current system? Sincerely Niatsirk
eplecider 1 week ago
That kind of progression must have been used a million times since the early 20th century. Basically a ii-V-I-vi with a IV chord acting as a substitute for the ii chord. How common. No plagiarism here. And besides, the melodies sound similar, i'll give you that. Yet i've heard WAY more similar melodies shared by two songs, and nobody seemed to even notice these.
DarkMoonCreations 1 month ago
this is what happens when musicians lose creativity
roguemofo8 1 month ago
Very interesting Andrew. I do enjoy your musical theory dissections particularly of minor keys which I'm trying to understand. Keep it up thanks
leapsplashafrog 1 month ago
I love how bands are copying each other all the time with no big deal being made out of it and then Coldplay, one of the few remaining decent bands out there, allegedly plagiarize joe douchirani and get crucified. Does that make any sense?
covertsniperr96 1 month ago
@covertsniperr96 Who's the douche the artist who's trying honestly to make music and make a living. Or the "artist" who are to lazy to come up with their own music so they copy from someone else. "Decent band" my ass.
MaidenDio252 3 weeks ago
These are very good videos. Thank you.
esurette 1 month ago
that's a shame ... but you know .. they're British ....
a1works00 1 month ago
Do one on Death's Spirit Crusher being ripped off by GAY7X in Unholy Confessions.
xTheWorldNeedsAHerox 1 month ago
Its not like Satriani invented that very common chord progression. The similarities between the two songs seem pretty superficial to me.
Jerdna3 2 months ago
Man, you are just a Joe Satriani fanboy, I saw your video of him and Los Enanitos Verdes, and it was very biased. I don't think anyone should actually listen to a single thing this guy says, since it is obviously leaning towards Satriani.
NickyWColeman 2 months ago
that distorted lead sound is AMAZING. Great videos both p1 and 2 : )
RHYTHM HARMONY MELODY - totes!
AnthonyStrongMusic 3 months ago
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tiagoaguiarguitar 3 months ago
I'm a big fan of Joe but after watch this video I found this one: watch?v=Glsx1F3GQsE which is from a band called "Enanitos Verdes" from Argentina. I think "Los enanitos verdes" should sue Joe Satriani , what do you think?
maldonadoaaron 4 months ago
I think it would have been fine if it were a small similarity but these are nearly perfect matches. I bet if you played them on the other they would flow awesomely
TheMonkeysGoOoh 4 months ago
this reminds me of the infinite monkey theorem. it states that if you enough monkeys in a room with their own type writer and give them an unlimited time, eventually one of them will write out a complete work such as shakespeare's hamlet. i believe music has got to have a higher probability of this happening.
skater7744 4 months ago
@skater7744 aside from the fact that the national anthem of the USA was basically ripped off from the anacreontic song and almost every popular song from the last 30 years is ripped off of pachelbel's cannon in D.
skater7744 4 months ago
there is absolutely no logic in chris martin "purposely stealing" and "copying" a relatively obscure guitarist's work when he has won multiple grammys with his work. think with your heads people, he simply was influenced and while he wrote one of the songs satriani's stuff popped in his head without him noticing it.
ckh1901 4 months ago
@ckh1901 That happens a lot actually. No lie. I completely forgot what it's called, but it's where a musician unconsciously "plagiarizes" a song that they have heard before, but they don't remember hearing the song in the first place. If you are a musician, sometimes you will have a melody in your head and you will say "I'm a genius! I must play this melody that hath stricken my mind like LIGHTNING!" Then you'll play the song, and a few months later you will hear "your" melody on the radio...
Frojoemorrison 4 months ago
@ckh1901 ...lol Basically, you heard the melody, forgot about it immediately, then it resurfaced in your head at a later time and you suddenly thought it was your own idea. It's subconscious plagiarism, or cryptomnesia as it is sometimes called.
~The more you know~
Frojoemorrison 4 months ago
@ckh1901 - Joe Satriani is hardly a "relatively obscure guitarist!" He propelled many popular band's guitarists to fame - among them, Primus, Metallica, Exodus, Testament, Counting Crowes, Third Eye Blind, Steve Vai, Charlie Hunter, and others you may have heard of... Not to mention, filling in lead guitar roles for Mick Jagger, Deep Purple, and organizing and playing at numerous Guitar Benefit/Appreciation gigs across the globe...
The logic is Satriani writes great songs, and Coldplay knows it!
ZEGO24x 4 months ago
@ZEGO24x the key word is relative. he propelled many popular band's guitarist to fame, but in terms of fame, satriani does not eclipse coldplay.
"The logic is Satriani writes great songs, and Coldplay knows it!" Coldplay also writes great songs, independently, which they have done for effectively all their works. in any case, cp has paid satriani an amount both parties believe acceptable, and both have gone on to bigger and better things. i sometimes dont understand the butthurt satriani fans
ckh1901 4 months ago
@ckh1901 - Firstly, this is NOT the first time Coldplay have resorted to "borrowing from" other artists, and as a fellow musician, I think it stinks when someone takes your hard work and creativity and blatantly rips it off/steals it/passes it off as their own. This is why I am so against (c)rap artists who simply "sample" - (modern word for steal) a riff or line, and then spout their inane dribble over the top of it... But Coldplay paid up, because they were guilty of theft - simple as that!
ZEGO24x 4 months ago
@ZEGO24x While I'm not really a fan of sampling, it is a bit different. At least sampled artists tend to receive royalties and credit in the liner notes. Besides, it's pretty much implied at this point that rap artists aren't responsible for the music in their songs. Coldplay are just theives.
mantlepicture 3 months ago
@mantlepicture So you claim Coldplay thieves, when Satriani plagiarized from Cat Stevens and Los Enanitos Verdes? Double standard much? :D
NickyWColeman 2 months ago
@ZEGO24x That you use a glib term like "(c)rap" shows how biased you are against rap in the first place. I love Satriani and instrumental music, but sampling has an entirely different purpose than plagiarism. It's acknowledged that rap artists use the samples as backing tracks - he/she isn't taking credit, and even if that isn't explicit, the purpose is to "cut and paste" a piece of a song to make something new out of it. Coldplay claimed Satriani's music as their completely original work.
metallicakixtotalass 3 months ago 5
@metallicakixtotalass - Glad you shared your opinion, but I still stand by the notion that "sampling" is NOT creating new music - it is still stealing! THIS is why I am anti-rap. I like creativity, and I admit, I like some of the phrasing that rappers use - the rhythmic flow can be quite good at times, but I don't condone the use of another artist's work to augment their street style poetry. If it is THAT hard to write some new original hooks/riffs, then maybe they are in the wrong industry...
ZEGO24x 3 months ago
@ckh1901 Butthurt Satriani fans? You mean people who hate plagurism? And who gives a fuck about fame? There isn't a guitarist alive who doesn't know who Satriani is. And Satriani has infinitely more respect among musicians. Coldplay are hacks.
mantlepicture 3 months ago
@ckh1901
The bottom line is Coldplay violated copyright laws and Satriani is well within his legal and moral rights to take them to court, you can't just steal an entire song (with melody) from a famous musician and expect for everything to be ok.
MrWiggerdale123 3 months ago
@MrWiggerdale123 So, I guess Alizee, Los Enanitos Verdes, Creeky Doors, Cat Stevens, Coldplay, and Joe Satriani should all just sue each other right?
NickyWColeman 2 months ago
@ckh1901 Obscure? LOL, you have no idea what you are talking about. It is highly improbable to copy the whole song so closely, which is why Coldplay paid the money. They knew they were caught and it was game over.
trdi 4 months ago 10
@trdi they wasnt near to copy the whole song? the copy 1/6 of the choros? thats long from the whole song
Ramhams1337 2 weeks ago
@creativeguitarstudio Hey, I'm planing to study electric guitar, do you know any other high level institute you can recommend me?
FrankVC112 5 months ago
Good video, really interesting stuff. Can't say it's swayed me either way, but then again I'm too apathetic about the whole thing to have an opinion.
KristianFenn1 5 months ago
He does a great job comparing the songs. I just hate that he doesn't give an opinion, haha. I want something to agree with or argue! :P Personally, I feel like Coldplay and Joe Satriani's songs are both originial.
145015ZTP 5 months ago
@AwesomeChannelTV true dat, Coldplay took a small motive from Santriani, and elaborated it into an epic sounds-scape and interesting story. Great composers have practiced the same technique for hundreds of years. Stravinsky got MOST of his material from established folk songs and fellow composers, then created NEW works based on them. Coldplay has simply done the same applied to pop music. Rare artistry for pop really. Chord progressions and melodies are recycled ALL the time! Name of the game.
HORNGEN4 5 months ago
seriously m8 there has to be something else you could be doing with your life
SuperFabioff 5 months ago
@SuperFabioff Learning how to write a sentence without the word "mate" should be your Brit boy. It is not proper grammer to use "m8"...might I suggest some american college classes? I suggest this because from what I have seen your schools fail to teach you proper grammer..........So how about focus on your own falts before jumping on others you british bastard?
metachozoite 5 months ago
@metachozoite 1, It's spelt "grammar". 2, It's spelt "faults". 3, "American" is capitalised. 4, The syntax of all of your sentences are incorrect in some way or another.
All you've done with this statement is (ironically) mock the American college system. Then again, I guess you didn't expect a 'British Bastard' like me to be smart enough to notice these mistakes. Leave the nationalism out of it, because you're not winning any points for your side.
KristianFenn1 5 months ago
@KristianFenn1 Its more the fact I dont care what you think so I didnt think it important enough to correct the grammar....the american college system is a joke ....a good bit of it...trust me I attend it :)
..your annoyong...and this dissicussion was over a week ago and was concluded then...grow up~
and your still a british bastard~
and an immature prick~
metachozoite 5 months ago
@KristianFenn1 I realy hate to be this way...but here is a sentence for you, and I promise the english is spot on.
FUCK OFF~
thank you have a nice day~
metachozoite 5 months ago
@KristianFenn1 this made me laugh haha , i only noticed one spelling mistake ! :) but apparently us brits haven't got the education.
stefsopinion94 5 months ago
@KristianFenn1
I apologize for arrogant pricks such as the one you have encountered on this video recently that give Americans a bad name. Please don't associate all of us with people like this.
But thank you for taking him down a peg. xD
fightliferockin 4 months ago
@fightliferockin hey man you guys dont know me...and he started that garbage....and no one took anyone down a notch..im not an arrogant prick...so please recorrect youself~
metachozoite 4 months ago
@fightliferockin and I LOVE how you all act like you know me by a youtube comment....stupid fucking people
metachozoite 4 months ago
@KristianFenn1 I realy could care less....my opinion is just that...mine~
metachozoite 4 months ago
@metachozoite. funny , last thing i remember you all speak english in america ? oh yes you do so how about you stop putting your nose everywhere where it doesn't belong mabey thats why the world hates you. Last thing i also remember 23 million people in the USA are illeterate more than 17 % higher than figures in any country in europe so how about getting an education yourself rather than jumping on others you redneck bastard ?
SuperFabioff 5 months ago
@metachozoite it is actually spelt "grammar." Unlucky MATE, how about you actually go to college before you open you mouth ,which apparently you americans use alot as one in three of you are obese, and make nonsensical comments. You silly silly man.
stefsopinion94 5 months ago
@stefsopinion94 your opinion means as much to me as spit on the side walk...and you brits talk to much, are stupid, and immature as hell....I do attend college smart ass...im a 4.0 student im not to worried about it on youtube because it dosent matter. But hey neither do you~
metachozoite 5 months ago
@metachozoite Speaking of GRAMMAR i shall correct you again in your sentence "it dosent matter" , in fact is correctly written as , "it DOSEN'T" matter. Also an ass is a donkey , i think "Arse" is the spelling your looking for ? But HEY us brits are the stupid ones. Well then if I were you , i would ask your college for your money back because you are slacking very highly in the English language or mabey you are just stupid? P.S. "Immature" you stupid being.
stefsopinion94 5 months ago
@stefsopinion94 but you are not me...so ha...dont worry about what i do...you worry about you....so i didnt put in the coma splice...i do not care.......maybe i am stupid...what is it to you?
metachozoite 5 months ago
@metachozoite Your "coma spice" is in fact called an Apostrophe. We use is in words such as Doesn't or I'm. It replaces a letter we take out in a contracted verb. Example: does not = doesn't. Well , what it means to me is that , you can have your opinion , however making stupid , hypercritical comments about the british education system ,which I value, annoys me as well as calling us "british bastards." Comment on this video about music not National diffrences which you know nothing about.
stefsopinion94 5 months ago
@stefsopinion94 you are a bunch of britist bastards...i dont care what annoys you...come do something about it....pussy~
metachozoite 5 months ago
your education system is a joke...as are you~ go fuck yourself man...you wanna do something about it then come to the u.s. and ill happly introduce you to my aka 47~
metachozoite 5 months ago
@stefsopinion94 brave words coming from someome who was raised in a country where one dictator after another was killed for power........and where prostution is a way of llfe for a lot of women...americans are superior to people like you....wo dont do that trash and unless you plan to come over here and do something about it fuck off~ im tired of the harrassment.
metachozoite 5 months ago
@metachozoite Dude, do me a favor and never bring nationality into this again. I'm from America but I would never take your side. Your grammar is absolutely horrible. Your attitude makes me realize it's assholes like you that make the world hate us. And making threats over a keyboard and threatening random people with a gun I'm sure you don't own. Really, man, this is a video about copyrights. You embarrass me. You embarrass yourself. I don't ever want to read another word from you.
fightliferockin 4 months ago
@fightliferockin I dont care...the conversation is like 3 days old...fuck off~
metachozoite 4 months ago
@fightliferockin Im not embrassing anybody...you alll think to highly of your selfs....as for my attitude...i act this way because i dont want to be bothered by you guys just becaue I made a comment you dont agree with...all you people on youtube can do is insult so i throw back...im not an ass kisser like most of you... i speak my mind
metachozoite 4 months ago
@fightliferockin ok heres a few words'
go fuck yoruself~
metachozoite 4 months ago
@stefsopinion94 find something else to do...you are waisting you time with me and engery you could be using else where...and dude id get a job over you anyway with the engineering stuff.
metachozoite 5 months ago
@metachozoite I Didn't understand half of that. You are just another typical american who throws himself into the fire with his incorrect facts and judgements about national races whom he has probably never met before. Carry on playing music and watching music videos , and stop thinking you are a Professor because you attend college. Other from that I love coldplay and i think Joe Satriani is lucky for ayone to copy his music even though he may be italian :P
stefsopinion94 5 months ago
@stefsopinion94 whatever man....keep on with the delusion...lay off the drugs....and my judgements are made by a lot of americans....we all share the same opinion btw
metachozoite 5 months ago
@stefsopinion94 and i might be a professor...ya never know....
metachozoite 5 months ago
@stefsopinion94 by the way...as for my weight...i have severe depression bexcause of people like YOU...so now i take anti depression pills to keep me from trying to kill myself again....weight should not matter and if it does then you are shallow...and no woman would have you with your attitude....your only talking big because its behind a computer screen~ As for your musical tastes...whppoty do.
metachozoite 5 months ago
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@thisismynamehahaha joe satriani's piece did not have any vocals and coldplays melody consists of a wide range of instruments if you listen to satriani's song it does'nt have the same bass or unique sound that coldplay has.
AwesomeChannelTV 5 months ago
damn that is a shame. There IS a lot of things you can do with music, but your bound to have similarity somewhere. How much music has been written since the dawn of mankind? I know somewhere satriani has influences on how he plays. Mabey he doesnt realize how those influences affect his theory of playing. Somewhere there must be a satriani melody that is similar to a melody written before his own time. If not then he is an alien. But either way satriani is still a great guitarist. But still...
StringTheory808 5 months ago
Kids copy Adults, i find no fault in that :)
ace41r 6 months ago
"I guess I was just rushed and didnt pay enough attention to that"
Forget suing Coldplay.. I'm suing YOU for negligence... ;-)
Seriously though, forget about the Satriani comparison.. the chord progression and general feel of the song is identical to Alizee "J'en Ai Marre".. look it up..
JonathanAnon 6 months ago
SO basically-Coldplay flipped a few musical phrases around and called it their own!
petedogg369 6 months ago
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mediarocker543 6 months ago
@petedogg369 which is essentially what 99% of the music out there is today. Look up "Four Chord Song" by the Axis of Awesome....Apparently according to your comment....It's hard to find originality these days. just cause they sound similar doesn't mean they didn't work on it. *sigh*
mediarocker543 6 months ago
I don't listen to Coldplay or Joe Satriani or care about the copyright battle going on between them. I just came to learn some Music Theory, and thanks for helping me understand more about it through this. :D
Kool4Sure 7 months ago 19
@Kool4Sure Musical Symantics - I am for a Joe Satriani solo on the Coldplay song LIVE!!! How about you?
junomarzevi 5 months ago
vance lee perkins Drops of Jupiter on You Tube "Americia's got Talent audition 2011
fdper9798 7 months ago
you know something? Joe is their sound director
check is video out
/watch?v=KGq86Ue2i0Y
So,copy or not... it doesn't matter...
HOLYSUB 8 months ago
@joeyjokester @zakkattack99 The more popular the artist is, the more right he/she is? What sort of a fucked up argument is this. Let me tell you, Satriani's reputation in the instrumental rock industry is way larger than Coldplay's reputation in the pop industry. I am a big fan of both artists. But this is a question of intellectual property. And it seems like Satriani was right.
TejasM14 8 months ago
He's like Sheldon talking for music....:P
TheBoxTheory 8 months ago
Who won in the end? Joe or Coldplay?
TheAntonini94 9 months ago
viva la vida is 138 bpm, and "if i could fly" is only 130 bpm.. so they're not exactly the same tempo... just throwing that out there for you guys..
bunntime 9 months ago
@bunntime...
You are so full of Bullshit it's Pathetic. Your telling me you can 100% without any doubt whatsoever tell the specific exact difference between 8/10 of a 10th of a min. ???
Here's my advice to you... FUCK OFF. Your just a stupid asshole Coldplay fag. That band sucks balls and the only people that like their shit is dumb chicks and homo's!
jippie11261 9 months ago
@jippie11261 whoa there bro... calm down. I was just saying the tempos are actually a bit different. And yeah I actually do know that those numbers are right because I tapped the tempo out. Also, I was not saying that Coldplay did not copy this song...
bunntime 9 months ago
@jippie11261 No one i know Has EVER HEARD OF SATRIANI! LEAVE THIS PERSON ALONE AND TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE!
ihaveaturban 8 months ago
I disagree i can play most songs with four chords and most of today's songs sound exactly the same i think that satriani was wrong in intending to sue as it is only and chords that sound the same and nothing else.
AwesomeChannelTV 9 months ago
@AwesomeChannelTV So the identical melody and vocal lines actually sound nothing alike?
thisismynamehahaha 5 months ago
hey Andrew please check this video if he is suing them joe should be sued by these guys /watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI
nornc 9 months ago
IM VOTING FOR COLDPLAY!!!!!
coldplay4ever1 10 months ago
@coldplay4ever1 too bad they lost the case 2 years ago idiot
tim101395 10 months ago
@tim101395 no they didnt
coldplay4ever1 10 months ago
@coldplay4ever1 yes they did....
Tdfaria 9 months ago
@coldplay4ever1 thats cause you're an idiot.........:(
MrDakotaheer 10 months ago
@meadish First of all, though the cord progressions sound similar, they are actually not thatd similar. the reason they sound similar is because the groove is pretty much the same. so i don't think that courtney could've sued satch. secondly, the main reason that satch sued coldplay was because of the huge similarity is the melody. if there was no similarity in the melody, joe satriani most likeley woukdn't have been able to sue coldplay over the chord progression alone.(look at my 2nd comment)
TacoBurritoMunch 10 months ago
@ meadish First of all, though the cord progressions sound similar, they are actually not thatd similar. the reason they sound similar is because the groove is pretty much the same. so i don't think that courtney could've sued satch. secondly, the main reason that satch sued coldplay was because of the huge similarity is the melody. if there was no similarity in the melody, joe satriani most likeley woukdn't have been able to sue coldplay over the chord progression alone. lastly, both "viva
TacoBurritoMunch 10 months ago
GIT, paul gilbert gone there to.. i might have to move to hollywood.
mitchellvanvliet 10 months ago
Seriously speaking, I bet there are a dozen songs out there with this basic chord progression - it isn't exactly that unusual.
One song I thought of straight away when hearing Satch's supposed original, was 'Malibu' with Hole. Not 100% similar but similar enough that Courtney might be able to sue Satch. Check it out and see if you agree.
meadish 10 months ago
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@meadish First of all, though the cord progressions sound similar, they are actually not thatd similar. the reason they sound similar is because the groove is pretty much the same. so i don't think that courtney could've sued satch. secondly, the main reason that satch sued coldplay was because of the huge similarity is the melody. if there was no similarity in the melody, joe satriani most likeley woukdn't have been able to sue coldplay over the chord progression alone.(look at my 2nd comment)
TacoBurritoMunch 10 months ago
@meadish lastly, the two songs would have been played at any tempo but they were exactly the same.With that said, i don't think you should dislike coldplayh.all artists listen to other music and coldplay has other good songs, and coldplay may not have even copied satch, it is just likely.you can prove that the 2 songs sound the same and have the same arrangements but u cant prove that they stole it.u have to understand that viva la vida got 2 grammys wich probably pissed the crap out of satch
TacoBurritoMunch 10 months ago
@TacoBurritoMunch All valid points. I guess the matter has been settled in court and that both Satch and Coldplay are not losing sleep over the matter anymore.
meadish 10 months ago
@Joeyjokster it was proven they didnt steal the song. Im my opinion is sounds nothing like his song. I think is weird he waited that long to drop a lawsuit on them. And no they do not suck
purpleismyfave17 11 months ago
check out the creaky boards version. much better than both of them.
pallan77 11 months ago
@BVOcean That's exactly it. It's not the same song. It sounds similar but it's not the same so it's not actually copied. Just one group of great musicians being influenced by another great musician.
bigez63 11 months ago
Joe has taught many original musicians,a niceguy reputation been and could have sued thousands of times before,why Coldplay?Could it be the same reason that made Brian Eno say the next time he produces Coldplay,the singer should stay at home for a month and let the Band write some music before he comes in? It pays to be nice on your way up...
TheGubernot 11 months ago
1) Almost every pop tune is in the meter of 4/4 and shares similar rock groove
2) Comparing tempi is stupid, really. There are only a handful of tempi in pop which are relevant to even talk about.
3) The chord progressions (which aren't even the same) are used very frequently, especially if you take every possible chord substitution into account.
4) A descending melody line is also a trick with a well known emotional effect, used in many songs.
Yes, the songs are similar, but not plagiarized.
DiabolicBadger 11 months ago
@BVOcean Of course they dont but its exactley the same! the rhythm, groove, 90% the same, no wonder he got his share (joe).
MetallicAciDD 1 year ago
Maybe he was just mad that Coldplay went platinum in almost 30 countries.
wccrispy 1 year ago
@wccrispy i can assure you satch wouldn't be proud of having such a dumbass audience. justin beiber is also a top "musican" right now, right there with coldplay
tgolba90 1 year ago 2
@wccrispy coldplay sucks. stealing from satch. how could they? I used to like them, but after this happened I lost all respect for them.
joeyjokester 11 months ago
@joeyjokester WHO THE EFF IS JOE SATRIANI ANYWAY?!?!? EVERYONE I KNOW HAS NEVER HEARD OF HIM!
ihaveaturban 8 months ago
@ihaveaturban That says far more about you, than it does Joe Satriani, fool
toshredornottoshred 7 months ago
It's pretty clear that the Coldplay song is a direct ripoff. That said, it doesn't really matter. Everything is a copy of something else at some level. You don't get to lock off every chord progression or melodic line that you ever write.
At the end of the day, Joe Satriani plays it in a way that few could ever duplicate. In this case the performance is far more valuable than the actual theory behind it. Without the Satriani's skill and nuance, the piece falls flat.
zyxomma1 1 year ago
Listen. Who is gonna be talking about a band like Coldcrap in 10 or 20 years like we have been for all these years for Satriani. There's no comparison, please.
bluejester28 1 year ago 2
well they do sound suspitiuosly similar but you could argue that rage agenst the machines wake up sounds like kashmir by led zepp
00ASSASSINATION 1 year ago
@00ASSASSINATION
well obviously it does
Pasghetti3 11 months ago
say what you want... you wont convince me that coldplay's "viva la vita" sounds nothing like "if i could fly" form satch
superbandace 1 year ago
Coldplay? Whazzat?
TheExStig 1 year ago 2
You guys should know that what all the Coldplay hate is really doing is just making you lose credibility (as if that mattered on the internet, especially on youtube). Brushing the biased idiots aside, this comparison really does show how similar the two songs are... but we should remember that it's absolutely [possible] that sometimes even musicians can create the exact same sounds - after all, they are bound by the same musical boundaries.
cougher989 1 year ago 4
And if you're wondering, I like both artists. As for the copying, I'm sitting on the fence. The only people that will truly know whether Coldplay copied Satriani are the members of Coldplay themselves. It seems quite probable that they copied the song, but it's also possible that they didn't. Oh and I got carried away here... thanks for creating and sharing this video.
cougher989 1 year ago 7
@cougher989 Music doesn't have any boundaries, just guidelines.
cccp20062 1 year ago
maybe visually a 2 sequencer pianoroll views of both joe s and coldplays melodiess.. could help alot with these simillarities videos
keysersozeh 1 year ago
Give it up dude...
spydey550 1 year ago
When u have a melody that is based on such a common half step interval and the way it resolves... god knows how many copies there are. Respect for joe satriani but i really didn't like his song to much, it reminds me of a solo in a latin christian song, i like coldplay's and enanitos verdes take on this common motif better. Lawsuit was ok, coldplay has money to burn and joe is a cult classic so that balances things out
YadielOmarMusic 1 year ago
Unless Chris Martin (Coldplay singer/songwriter) has two voice boxes or more which I have never heard of, there is no way Coldplay copied the melody to this song. You say France Limon's melody is monolistic. Viva La Vida is also monolistic unless Chris Martin has 2 voice boxes or more. I'm pretty sure Chris does not have more than one voice box. So this argument fails. Correct me if I'm wrong. If Joe did not rip off France Limon, than Coldplay did not rip off Joe Satriani.
Nadine375 1 year ago
@Nadine375 Satriani's song uses a basic musicality that is also found is France Limon, but the way it happens is different. This video's maker also has one about that very thing, in which the differences are shown more clearly.
Coldplay's song, on the other hand, uses almost an exact copy of Satriani, using diatonic substitution to try to get around it. You also talk about Martin having double voice-boxes, as if the rest of the music underneath doesn't have any affect on the overall sound.
NateET 1 year ago
they both riped off mario. look up coldplay rips off mario
caveman975 1 year ago
The chorus of Cascada's song 'Piece of Heaven' is also quite similar to this song
SkwisgaarBarbosa 1 year ago
If a 4 bar section of melody is the same as another song it is copyright violaton. Remember, MELODY not chords, or feel or anything else, otherwise we'd have 5 songs in all of music. That melody could be in a guitar part or any instrument but that is what is copyrightable.
I also disagree with your analysis, I say the songs are in major, starting on the IV chord for the Coldplay and the IIm for the Satriani song.
Ateamcaptain 1 year ago
Forget Viva La vida. That was they cheap album. If your into very nice and mellow music, Albums parachutes and x & y and amazing. Coldplay is still a good band.
Bornkilla174 1 year ago
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@Bornkilla174 please don't insult music
JudithTheJewish 1 year ago
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Another famous plagiat if you click on my name or copy paste this Youtube video: watch?v=41CIqYeFgFw
urednik1 1 year ago
I just want to add that coldplay is bad bend, no doubt about it, and they hardly can be as good as satriani even when you take his worst works
anyway, if there is a little difference you just can't say that someone has stolen melody or chord progression because there is a lot coincidental things in music
kenjoje 1 year ago
I guarentee you that if you go rooting around every composition out there you will no doubt discover similarities in many songs. I do however agree that coldplay copied that song but from your other video, i dont agree that chord composition and rythm can be considered sufficient grounds for accusation. There are only so many options for harmony out there. For me it has to be melody and harmony together to be sufficient. great vids though! keep it up
armansrsa 1 year ago 2
@armansrsa exactly, twelve tone music system is very limited and rhytms are all used everywhere
kenjoje 1 year ago
You make the earth to a better place!
Thank you, for showing you skill, and knowledge to the world.....
thx
shaverraver 1 year ago
I loved this and I don't even play the guitar. But I do listen to it a lot.
DragonForce ftw. :)
RandomlineProduction 1 year ago
Waw my mind id melting....you mentioned the KD lang/stones case with constant craving but ive just noticed that on the chorus of the satriani tune he uses the exact chord progression as in KD's tune.
Good vids fella. Thanks.
Squemby 1 year ago
oh common!! i'm a songwriter/composer and i'm telling you that when you write a song you can't be sure that it's completly original. and the comparison on rythme and chord progression it's absurd! it's just the melody. of course if you have a chord change you would put "brothers" notes..of course they're a substitution..
yeah, i don't agree.. the melody is a bit similar, but it's not the same..so..no
frankiedetergent 1 year ago
This is an unoriginal melody and chord progression that's been used a million times, and if either musician wants to claim ownership of it then they can go sue the other 10000 musicians who've used it. Luckily, it was dismissed from court and there was an out-of-court settlement on it, because all of it is BS.
foolonthehillz 1 year ago
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narragansettharco 1 year ago
what is not being realized here is that the chord progression in question is one of the most common chord progressions in all of music. it has been used in literally dozens, if not hundreds of songs. also, you cannot copy right chord changes so it doesn't really matter to begin with.
eyebonez13 1 year ago
i cant remember exactly but there was a song that was older than satriani's song and had the same guitar melody...anyone know what i'm talking about?
also, that melody and chord progression aren't exactly the most creative and unique things i've ever heard, so in my opinion the similarities are unintentional.
peroslowned 1 year ago
@peroslowned Do you mean Cat Stevens' Foreigner Suite? And yeah! I totally agree about the chord progression, it's so simple, and the notes that are played/sung over it more or less sing themselves...
Reint25 1 year ago
@Reint25
hmm, no, it's not cat stevens, it had a bit more of a latin vibe :D
peace
peroslowned 1 year ago
@peroslowned Do you perhaps Samba Pa Ti from Santanta? The guitar sound is similar, and it has a samba/latin vibe, the chords are different though (just a suggestion).
Reint25 1 year ago
Out of court settlement = legal talk for guilty as sin.
That's all I needed to know.
OtherRealmer 1 year ago
Why would Coldplay go around stealing songs when they obviously have asked special permission before to incorporate riffs/chords into their music (Talk- Computer Love) this was just a coincidence and Satriani either saw it as an opportunity to make more bucks or he really felt someone stole his music. Let's forget all the mainstream and popularity that Coldplay has now along with all the paraphernalia and look back and actually see how amazing the guys from Coldplay are.
bremex 1 year ago
Your last video had a footnote saying coldplay had to pay Satch. How did you find that out? I thought the details remained sealed.
Taraalcar 1 year ago
Im glad someone with an actual education is making informational videos :)
imthunderstruck 1 year ago 3
Coldplay did copy Joe Satriani & Coldplay sucks & Joe Satriani is ok
resdsox1 1 year ago
@resdsox1 What do you mean Joe Satriani is 'ok'!? Satriani is on of the best guitarists to live.
Koshman32 1 year ago
Who cares? All of coldplay's other songs are much better anyway. Why is it so big? Because there really isn't guitar or legit instruments other than classical ones. That's what the kids want these days. Don't get me wrong, both sides have true talent. I don't know. They're close, but not exact. Let's leave it at that. It's not enough for me.
Kingmoney1331 1 year ago
The BIGGER issue here is because it's kinda crappy to sue about this kind of vague influence or coincidence (more likely since nobody but guitar geeks listen to Joe Satriani), and since it's problematic to use copywrite law in a way that could potentially stifle creativity (since it makes it potentially illegal to write songs that "kinda sound like" other songs) and goes against the point of copywrite law, Satriani is a tool.
bobjones864 1 year ago
Honestly, if you have to work this hard to figure out whether it's plagiarism, it probably isn't. There's nothing particularly novel about the melody, the groove or the chord progression. Why not say, "hey they sound kinda similar and that's interesting," and drop it?
That's from a "legal" or "ethical" standpoint. As a starting place for a conversation about music theory, this is interesting, and you handle that well. You're probably a very good teacher.
bobjones864 1 year ago
Could you do a breakdown of George Harrison's MY SWEET LORD vs He's So fIne by the Chiffons?
hobodevil 1 year ago
Son of a bitch!
fernandaloyolapaludo 1 year ago
I may have been there with you my friend. i went in 91-92 You bet that school is awesome!!! way to go my brother
chris williams
chriswilliamstunes 1 year ago
@chriswilliamstunes ... You would have definitely been there when I was... Cool.
creativeguitarstudio 1 year ago
i can save everyone a lot of time. Satriani has talent, Coldplay are a produced wank stain
zakkattack99 1 year ago 78
@zakkattack99 Buuuull crap. Coldplay is FAR more interesting and relevant than Satriani ever was. Satriani's best is fucking elevator music. And I'd rather listen to a donut on the radio than wait for the next Satriani interview. Coldplay is something. Satriani is nothing.
CuddlyBadger 8 months ago
@CuddlyBadger
funny,In five years see where coldplay is.
Joe has been around since the 80's
mattallica464 8 months ago 6
@mattallica464 so osama is the right one.. because he's more populer than bush
ReinRockz 8 months ago
@ReinRockz That makes no sense.And he is more Popular not populer.
Thanks
mattallica464 8 months ago
@mattallica464 ah yes popular.. :D
ReinRockz 8 months ago
@mattallica464 I know, I hear him when I ride the escalator in Sears. HE JUST WON'T DIE!!!
CuddlyBadger 7 months ago
@mattallica464 Funny, Coldplay is more popular than ever.
And Joe isn't getting any more fans.
ElGatoEsNumeroUno 3 months ago
@ElGatoEsNumeroUno Because Satch typically records instrumental records, which will never be as commercially viable as music with a vocalist. Spice Girls sold tons od records too; talent has nothing to do with it. Satch has infinitely more respect among musicians than Coldplay ever will. Coldplay are popular because they are lowest-common-denominator garbage. They are only able to create the illusion of being song-writers by ripping off others. Satch, Radiohead, Cat Stevens, etc.
mantlepicture 3 months ago
@mantlepicture Funny you put Cat Stevens and Satriani in the comment, since Satriani plagiarized from Stevens. Oh and also from Los Enanitos Verdes. :D
NickyWColeman 2 months ago
@mattallica464 Well, in the few months ago that you wrote that stupid comment, Coldplay has released Mylo Xyloto, which is the top album on Billboard and iTunes. :D
NickyWColeman 2 months ago
@NickyWColeman
Well you should read all the way back to the first comment,cause you and everone misses the point is that coldplay in more "popular" but will they be around in 20 years.WGAFF
mattallica464 2 months ago
Why is this song in F minor?
Isn't it a 1,2,5,3 progression is C# major????
PLEASE ANSWER!!
y2zgt 1 year ago
Seriously you're overanalysing it...all these facts don't change the fact that it's a pretty simple and obvious chord progression with a pretty simple and obvious melody progression over it. These things happen, get over it.
I'm sure chris martin didn't actually think that he could steal something from joe satriani and just get away with it. I think that either he has heard the satriani song and got the melody stuck in his subconcious, or that it's a coincidence.
KoiChannel 1 year ago
And the fact that cat stevens claims the same thing, there's also a huge similarity without a doubt...wouldn't that mean that satriani stole it from cat stevens?
KoiChannel 1 year ago
oh and omgomgomg he stole the title "If I Could Fly" from helloween ZOMGOMG!!
KoiChannel 1 year ago