Kim Michaels' Ham Fisted Attempt At Theodicy

[MrFriedolays]

dont drink his koolaid!!!!!

[saritace3]

But then...we have 'freewill' and have the right to think,question as we wish...I wish you well :))....lets go beyond all norms...and keep evolving...find out who we really are...and what our true potential is!

[saritace3]

Once you know peace,even for a milisecond~then you will know. Nobody can tell us what exists beyond the physical, it can only 'start' to be understood through our own experimentation and experience and even then what we experience...is just a tiny part of what exists, we are human and humans have the habit of 'thinking' we know it all which actually when you think of the size of us floating around in space is rather arrogant.

[OneRina]

Would a true messenger from Jesus leave his wife for a pretty young follower of almost half his age, who worshiped his wisdom? Mr Michaels has gone up the primrose path of Mind over Heart, sadly

[snbeings]

To Arnold,

If you would investigate yourself through meditation and self inquiry you would find God to be real and would realize that what Jesus said was true. Until you undergo being a Spiritual scientist and see for yourself that God is real, you continue to be person with assumptions who is merely window shopping 1 idea vs another. Belief is one thing, but some know beyond belief as a direct experience the existence of God and Jesus

[wwwoneness4allcom]

Try to read the messages on his site with an open mind.

Don't think that the bible is infallible like so many Christians do.

Read the messages from Kim with your heart.

[wwwoneness4allcom]

Kim Michaels has an diffend approach on spirituality them most religious people.

Jesus said "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it" (Matthew 7)

Most Christians are on the broad way thinking they are saved just by declaring Jesus to be there saviour.

Kim Michaels found the narrow way and is trying to teach this to others.

[Aphex217Twin]

He's saying "you're not coerced, therefore you have freewill"  But cause and effect isn't the same thing.

[youboon]

Can't be arsed reading wall of text.

[prophetofdoom]

you should read his material sometime

especially see what he writes about the ego and fear. That would help you.

[erickquinto83]

The important part is not to stop questioning, I think that is the only way to find our own inner truth, build our own beliefs. Arnold is questioning someone else belief and i think that is valid. It is also good that he is actually trying to figure out his own truth.

PEACE

LET'S ALL KEEP LEARNING !!!

[Danster82]

You seem terrified.

If you are situated in the truth there is nothing to defend and thus why attack someone? Does it benefit you to prove this man wrong? Of course it does because if you can prove him wrong you can feel safe in your own beliefs which are false and because they are false they need constant defence from opposing views.

The world is a threat to you.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

If I "seem" terrified then you are a bad mind reader. Why attack someone that is propagating superstition if not lies? Because lies and superstition are harmful and deserve attack. It benefits everyone to demonstrate that Kim Michaels is a "false prophet". How do you know that my beliefs are false? Falsehood, ignorance and superstition are a threat to Western civilisation, science, peace and progress. Parts of the "world" _are_ a threat to me (eg. bureaucrats) as they are to everyone.

[LIAYPT]

Just after thought on Kim Michaels, he sells books. He is out to make money as

a business. He is starting a mystery school somewhere up in Virginia.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

So long as there are fools that uncritically imbibe idiocy such as that espoused by Mr Michaels there will always be people -- like Kim Michaels -- to separate them from their money.

[blueknight1949]

Arnold, Grow up.

People who sell cookies make money, churches make money, University professors make money spinning their materialist philosophies.

Mr Michjaels views are fres and inciteful and he has very right to earn a dollar with them.

Mr Michaels dares challenge the staus quo of both fundamentalist religions and banal mteriaism including those scientists still clinging to old, worn out theories as evidenced by his comments on quantum physics.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

blueknight1949, take your own advice and come to grips with reality.

Making money per se is not the problem. Making money by persuading others that Jesus Christ speaks through you is the problem.

Mr Michael's is a charlattan that claims to "channel" Jesus Christ. How does this challenge "fundamentalist religions and banal mteriaism (sic)"?

Mr Michaels comments on QP are as worthless as all of his other comments.

You are Kim Michaels target market: self-important baby-boomers.

[blueknight1949]

Arnold,

With all of the really evil things going on in this world, why are you so concerned with a man who claims to speak for Jesus?

Obama's confiscation of liberties and blatant disregard for our constitution, to cite but one example would seem a more worthwhile focus of your valuable attentions.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

blueknight1949,

Firstly, I am not a US citizen so I am not overly concerned with US doemstic politics.

Secondly, I would regard the false claim that one is the mouthpiece of a Semitic man-god from the early first century AD as one of the evils of the world. It is a deception and deception is an evil. Even if it isn't a deception and Kim Michaels is deranged and genuinely believes that he speaks for Jesus then it is superstition and superstition breeds evil.

[DogmaDebunker]

I used to follow Kim's Materials but have long ago concluded that he's deluded and having met him personally I think he actually believes what he says. It's kind of sad. The perfect antidote to Kim Michaels is Carl Sagan.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

That is not unheard of. After retelling the lies repeatedly the distinction between truth and falsehood blurs.

[ziggy333]

I can't believe this arnold guy spent sooooooo much time and energy trying to disprove Mr. Michaels. It's one thing to disagee, but arnold is obsessed. If he spent as much time on anything else (golf, computers, whatever) he'd be an expert. Instead, he wastes all his time doing this...sad.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

You are dickhead. It took me about 30 minutes to edit and splice in my text and that included composing the prose.

[RDCKM]

dont even bother arguing with arnold ... he can argue, justify and defend anything he believes in. He thinks that he is always right and everyone else is wrong. What an ego ...

[InconspicuousPerson]

i think you are all missing the main point.

Can God get a bonk on?

[stevetheseeker]

When you have a direct experience of God, as I and many others have had, then all doubt and questioning goes away. It is simply irrelevant. In fact, I can feel the fire of God in my heart as I write this. Not as a validation of what I'm sayinig but just that GOD IS. Without a direct experience, all arguments for or against the existence of God are meaningless

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

Sorry but subjective experiences are "meaningless". One can have a subjective experience of seeing a unicorn i.e. a hallucination, that doesn't make the unicorn real. Furthermore, why would a deity that clearly acknowledges an objective reality i.e. by creating and sustaining a physical universe choose -- in a comparatively small number of cases -- to communicate His existence via a subjective, ambiguous and error prone method?

[Icelandxx]

Kim Michael is an idiot, he loves to play mind games. LOL.. JK =]

[erickquinto83]

Oh well, I believe any experience can be seen as subjective. In the end it's all reason and rationalization has its limitations. I believe that if to know, feel, understand or find an ultimate truth through what we feel inside our hearts is not easy, then to do it through rationalization is almost impossible and it will always become relative. What the person in this video is proposing is to feel god, to experience God. And I think it is a matter of choice to follow that path or not.

[ParanormalFriends]

You got intelligence yourself. You write as good he does. As it goes, I have been following his webpage for last 3 years. I have not seen anything like it. It is new age. Shiva is Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ is

white brotherhood. He probably talking to grays' aliens or demons or spirits.

Some people can do that stuff. I can't.

Oh well, just use common use. Don't follow a cult.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

Dude, there are no such things as "grays", demons, spirits or any other form of disembodied consciousness. Although consciousness isn't completely understood, all of the evidence suggests that consciousness requires a brain. Ideas of ghosts, gods, spirits, demons etc is just superstition. There is no objective (ie. non subjective) evidence that any of these things exist. Channeling provides no evidence whatsoever, it is just subjective report. Wake up to the real world.

[universal147]

Intuition - an incompletely founded concept or perception formed from associations to similar models, contexts, or scenarios, in humans frequently below the level of conscious iteration.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

non sequitur - a reply that has no relevance to what preceded it

[perpetualflow8]

God cannot be grasped by intelligence.You arnold are a very intelligent human being.Intuition is the key.Now,I wait for your intelligent argument.

[arnoldfeltersnatch]

My intuition tells me (a) that you are wrong; (b) Kim Michaels is a fraud; (c) there are no such things as disembodied minds; and (d) there are no gods.