We are saved by grace and grace ALONE, nothing we can add to, Jesus mercy and what he did for all of us. One can lose rewards in heaven, at the bema seat. But you are still in heaven by his grace=LOve. Im pretty sure there is a scripture that says Some go to heaven but by the skin of their teeth. How long did the thief on the cross had time to repent?. Is instant faith in Jesus and who he was, saved him. We all struggle at times God see's our heart, and our struggles. Grace brings reptance.
@MrPsalm53 Hello there. The idea that we lose rewards for sin comes from a misinterpretation of scripture. I you look at my video called Losing Our Rewards you will see what I mean. God bless, Mick
In Acts 15:5 it says "there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed.." These were believers, yet had problems understanding that the grace of God alone saves. Acts 15:11 I submit, that in churches today, you have those who believe the gospel, but have problems with their walk, some even grieving and quenching the Spirit, yet they are saved because they believe.
@Terry8150 Hello there. Yes, I believe that there are saved people who are struggling with sin and I mentioned this in the video. I think that God sees their repentant heart struggling not to sin. But I also believe that if a saved person enters into a lifestyle of deliberate sin then their salvation is at stake. I have a video called Do Not Grieve The Spirit which talks about this. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Good discussion Mick.I'll give my take on this.What is at stake for the believer is what scripture says in the NT is called the salvation of the soul.This is not the same thing as being saved by grace.The salvation of the soul is about the walk of a believer which will be judged. Saved from a devil's hell is not in this picture.But, being able to rule and reign with the Lord in the next age to come is on the table.Willful sinning by the believer is judged now or before the Lord.
@Terry8150 Hello again. What scritpure do you use to differentiate between saved and salvation? I believe saved and salvation are entirely synonymous. Eph 2:8 says we are saved by Grace. The same word for saved is used in Matt. 1:21 which says that Jesus will save us from our sins and Act 4:12 says that salvation is in Jesus'. Whatever the case, I believe that if a believer deliberately continues in sin then he will be condemned as Heb. 10:26-30 says. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Good question Mick. When we know that salvation from a devil's hell is by grace, then the word saved and salvation would be synonymous. But when studying the walk of the believer, we know it is about how we walk and includes the deeds of the body whether they are good or bad. 2 Cor.5:10 The word (soul) implies the life we live. It's a works issue that is motivated by love for the Lord. James speaks about this in James 1:21. Peter speaks about this in 1 Pet. 1:9 continued..
@christianissues Very interesting scripture from Heb.10:26-30.Note,the context is judgment of the Lord's own,vs30.This won't be to determine heaven or hell.It will be to determine the right to rule and reign with the Lord in the next age to come.Heb.2:5 But, and this isn't popular, it also shows that in judging His own, there are some serious things to see even though the believer is saved by grace. The house of God is judged first. 1 Pet.4:17 Paul says the believer can (suffer loss) continue..
@Terry8150 Yes, it sure is talking about judging His own. Vs. 26-27 say that those who continue in sin will be consumed by His fiery wrath, clearly hell. Then v. 30 says that He is going to take vengeance on those, in the previous verse, who have insulted the Spirit of Grace by trodding on the blood of the Lord which sanctified them. Only saved souls have ever been sanctified by the blood and can face the dread of falling into the hands of the living God. God bless Terry, Mick
@christianissues Heb. 10:27 speaks about ( fiery indignation). You are applying that to hell. But, the truth is that all believers will have their walk tested by fire.1 Cor.3:15 The point of this passage is that vengeance is taken upon those that have been sanctified (set apart), who are the people of God. Salvation by grace does not exempt the believer from being judged and held accountable for how we walk.But, as Paul said, even suffering loss, we shall be saved.1 Cor.3:15 It's in the text.
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. 1 Cor. is not talking about sin or real fire. It is talking about doctrine and being saved 'as if through fire' - figurative speech. My video, Losing Our Rewards, shows how this passage is seriously misinterpreted. However, Heb. 10 is cleary talking about hell as it says that the raging fire will consume God's enemies. Plus, Heb. 10:28-29 talk about once sanctified souls facing a worse punishment than those who died without mercy under Moses. God bless, Mick.
@christianissues The text in 1 Cor. mentions fire three times in the judgment of our walk.Verse 13 says Our walk shall be (revealed by fire) vs13 Second, it is the work of believers being tested by fire and thrown into the fire, not the believer. In truth, the fire will be the word of God.Jude 23 tells us to save a brother (with fear)(pulling them out of the fire). What is the issue in this verse. (the garment spotted by the flesh). But in the text, scripture says the believer (shall be saved).
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. 1 Cor. 3 doesn't mention our walk at all. Fire will test our work, the way we build, not our walk. It is all about building the church and you can't build a church with sin. If you try to fit sin into this passage then you will end up saying that we can build the church with golden sins. If you read the chapter with doctrine, leadership in mind then it makes perfect sense but if you read it with sin in mind then it becomes nonsense. God bless, Mick.
@christianissuesOur work is the way we walk.Paul makes the appeal to the individual believer.Building upon the foundation is what we are talking about.Every saved person is a builder.That implicates the way we live in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ.The scripture calls our work deeds done in the body.Those deeds are called either good or bad.Bad as in wicked.That's reflecting sin in our walk or works.The scripture always should apply to us personally.That's the place of doctrine in our walk.
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. You are missing the entire context of the passage. Paul sums it up in 1 Cor. 4:6 in saying that we are not to go beyond what is written nor take pride in one man over another. Clearly, sin is not in question. Going beyond what is written and following men can only be related to doctrine and leadership. Once again, you are saying that a man will be rewarded for building a church with golden sin. That really makes no sense Terry. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Mick, you skipped what Paul said right after verse 15 in chapter three. Verse 16 speaks to any man (the subject is the Corinthian believer) (defile the temple of God) him shall God destroy. How does one defile the temple Mick? Got to be a reference to the work tested and revealed by fire. vs. 13 What Paul says in 1Cor. 4:6 simply includes himself or Apollos in that picture. The context comes out of verse 2. The issue is faithfulness in stewards.
@Terry8150 Yes, the issue is faithfulness ... to the trust. Paul is talking about being faithful to the trust God has given him as the Apostle to the Gentiles. Again, sin is not mentioned. Continue reading on from v.2 to v.6 and you will see that sin is nowhere to be seen. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Sin in the walk is at issue in the works of a believer. After all, Heb. 10 speaks to the believer who willfully sins. Paul says that our deeds are judged to be good or bad. 2 Cor.5:10 the word bad is (kakos) which implies work that is depraved (evil)(wicked) and injurious to the believer. Scripture clearly says that the believer can be injured by the second death. Rev.2:11 But, Romans 8:38 says that not even (death) shall separate us from the love of God. continued...
@Terry8150 Terry, Rev_2:11 says that believers CAN'T be hurt by the second death. "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death". The second death is for those who continue in sin as Heb. 10 tells us clearly. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Disagree.Rev.2:11 says "the overcomer shall not be hurt of the second death."The overcomer is a believer who overcomes in their walk.That's the issue in all the letters to the seven churches.This is not about overcoming because Christ has already overcome the world.That's positional truth that solidifies our security. But, the word (hurt) means to be injured.Believers, saved by grace can be injured of the second death. How?That's a study about rewards, crowns, and inheritance.
@Terry8150 Terry you agree that Jesus said that a believer shall not be hurt by the second death. That's good. Then you said, "But, the word (hurt) means to be injured. Believers, saved by grace can be injured of the second death". So you believe that Jesus said believers can't be hurt by the second death (Rev. 2:11) then say that believers can be hurt by the second death. What am I to believe? God bless, Mick
@christianissues Mick, need to go back to see what I said. A believer can be hurt by the second death if they are judged not to be overcomers in their walk.Believers saved by grace can be hurt (of) the second death. Jesus said they can be injured if they are judged and found not to be an overcomer in their walk. He didn't say they will be lost and end up in hell. Every letter gives the saved believer something to shoot for in their walk. What does it mean to be hurt of the second death?
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. The second death is the lake of fire and it is a one way ticket. God is not sending some there to get singed and then go to heaven. Really Terry, think about it. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Mick,key on the words(hurt of).It doesn't say (hurt in).The word (hurt) according to Strong's#91 means injured, to be an offender,to suffer,The emphasis is on the death experience a believer could go through that means there will be no change in the judgment.That would certainly be true for the lost without Christ.But,here the point is in relation to the believer's walk which is to overcome things.Check out Jeremiah13:16 which explains the mindset of God as it relates toRev.2:11
@Terry8150 Terry, Rev. tells us that the second death is the lake of fire, period. So far your interpretation tells me that a church can be built with sin; we can be rewarded for building with good sins; the raging fire and God's enemies of Heb 10 are actually in heaven (not hell); Jesus is wrong as we can be hurt by the second death; believers who don't overcome well will be singed in the lake of fire and then taken to heaven. Terry, I can't believe these things. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Not telling you Mick a church can be built with sin. Telling you from the text, that some believers will not be classified as overcomers in their walk and will suffer loss. There's zero reward for sin in the walk of the believer. Understand why you can't believe these things, but you can believe a saved person can lose their salvation and end up in hell. I'm trying to show why that will never happen.Nothing separates the believer from the love of God. Nothing, not even death.
@Terry8150 Terry, with respect, how can you even consider that a sinning believer will pass through the lake of fire (the place of the second death), get singed a bit, and then proceed to heaven? I am amazed that you willing contradict Jesus with this explanation. Is this the Catholic Purgatory? Are they right after all? God bless mate, Mick.
@christianissues Mick,love you and your desire to help believers see the problem with judgment of our walk if it is contrary to the will and word of God. But your conclusion speaks against grace alone that saves, because it says we have something to do with the outcome of God's grace when it comes to being saved from a devil's hell. My position says that the believer's walk is going to be judged, even potentially with terror, yet as Paul said we (shall be saved). continued ...
@Terry8150 Terry my friend, if you are right then the clear errors in you explanation don't help your case in any way. You will have to come up with far better arguments to convince me. Jesus said to come like a child so if you do that and take what is said at face value then you will see that a holy walk is necessary for salvation. The Spirit gives us the power to be fully righteous (Rom 8:4). I know many, many passages which prove that a saved man can be lost. God bless, Mick.
@christianissues Mick, your right.The believer is admonished to (be holy for for I am holy.) But that is not a condition in order to be saved.Salvation is by grace alone. But, to be admonished to walk holy, to walk in the Spirit, is exactly why the house of God is judged first, separate from when the world gets judge.There are zero passages which say a saved man can be lost. God does not contradict grace alone that saves in his word. That's why we have to place works into context of our walk.
@christianissues Hate to hear this Mick,Still lots to see.My position is that the house of God is judged apart from the world. We are told to (behave) ourselves (in) the church of the living God.1Tim.3:15 Then Paul says that (in) a great house there are vessels unto honor and some unto dishonor. 2 Tim. 2:20 That dishonor part is what I'm talking about. No where in scripture does it say a saved by grace believer, ever, potentially gets re tossed back into hell. But, we do get judged. God bless.
@Terry8150 Terry, I have shown you plainly where God says that saved souls can end up in hell but, in desperation, you have invented a Protestant Purgatory to sustain your belief. With sincere respect Terry, I can't debate with a person who presents such an argument. It would be pointless to show you other clear scriptures. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Mick all I have said is application of bible truth.Saved soul's don't end up in hell.That totally contradicts the grace of God that saves.Your misunderstanding the place of judgment in our walk.To tell believers they could go to hell if they don't measure up to a holy walk subverts the soul of the believer,adds works to the grace of God to save,and robs potentially a full reward for the believer.In a great house are vessels unto honor and some unto dishonor.But all in the house.
@Terry8150 Terry, Charles Stanley also invented a Protestant Purgatory when he saw that the Lord's servant with one talent, Matt. 25, was to be tossed into the outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. This is not hell, says Charles in his wisdom, as the outer darkness is actually in heaven, outside the circle of the righteous, and those in this outer darkness are there for an unknown period, until their works are burned up - another purgatory. God bless, Mick
@christianissues I have also said that it is the believer's works that are exposed by fire and that being hurt by the second death is not the believer passing through the lake of fire.The word (hurt) does not mean the believer passes through the lake of fire.The injury which is a second death experience, eliminates the believer from sharing in the glory of God. That's what I believe it means to suffer loss. This does not contradict Jesus. This isn't a Catholic Purgatory doctrine. It's Bible.
@christianissues Hebrews 10 is not clearly speaking about hell. The word (fiery) has application literally or fig. Your application is not consistent with scripture that shows there is no separation from the love of God, although that doesn't mean the believer can't suffer loss or experience (sorer punishment) Yet, we shall be saved. And those who died without mercy under Moses were judged with physical death. Your assuming this means they went to hell.
@Terry8150 Hello again Terry. If Heb. 10:26-27 is not talking about hell then where is the raging fire that consumes God's enemines? In heaven? Are God's enemies in heaven? God bless once again mate. Mick
@christianissues Watched your video on grieving the Spirit. Basically it is sound doctrine as it pertains to the kind of relationship we are to have walking in the Spirit. But, I would submit that the issue in Eph 5:5-6 is inheriting the kingdom of God, not going to heaven. We get the same feel for this in Gal. 5:19-21 Col.3:24 speaks of inheritance as a reward. Salvation is not a reward, but a gift. The believer keeps the gift, but could lose the reward. Need to keep this separate.
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. I think you missed the point in Eph 5:6-7 which tell us not to be partners with the wicked or else we also will suffer wrath. These verses tell us not to be deceived into thinking otherwise. As I mentioned before, Heb. 10:26:30 makes it painfully clear that a believer can become an enemy of God and be consumed by His fiery wrath. God bless, Mick
@christianissues Your right, we are not to be partakers of those who will suffer the wrath of God. But, got to see the word wrath in light of Heb.10:30 The word wrath carries with it the idea of vengeance. And Heb. 10:29 suggest that the believer could be punished even though saved by grace from a devil's hell. Not popular as I said, but in the text.
If repentance means a change of lifestyle, did God change His lifestyle when He repented? Or is it actually a change in the way one thinks about something?
@filoIII Hello there. The KJV says 'repented' in Gen. 6:6 whereas other translations say God was grieved, regretted or was sorry. Actual turning from sins, repenting, is spoken of in Jer. 34:15 ... read it in context and you will see that they did more than think about changing, they did change their ways. If you read Luke 13:1-9 you will see that repentance is clearly turning away from sin, otherwise we will be cut down like the fig tree...no fruit, no salvation. God bless, Mick
@christianissues If you're saying that them TURNING to the Lord is the definition of repentance, then what do you call their TURNING again to polluting His name, derepenting? disrepenting? Not really sure what you're getting at w/ Lk 13. Nowhere does it say repenting is CLEARLY turning away from sin. You don't get yourself clean before you come to Christ. You come to Christ when you're encrusted in the muck and mire of sin and JESUS begins the cleansing process. You have a works gospel.
@filoIII Hello again. Well, holy = righteous and remaining in sin is not righteous. Heb 12:14 says, "without holiness no one will see the Lord". Then 1 John 3:7 warns us, "Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous [holy], just as he is righteous [holy]". So, you can choose to repent (practice righteousness) and be declared holy and righteous or you can remain in sin and be damned like the fig tree. The choice is ours. God bless, Mick
@christianissues 1st, where does it say holy=righteous, and 2nd, whose holiness are you banking on to get you to heaven? Your own? That'll never do. I was involved in a holiness church before and it's a works gospel. When you stand before God one day your reasoning for getting into heaven will be "Look how good and clean I lived Lord. I followed all the rules (even tho you don't)." I'm going to stand there and say, "I'm worthy of hell and my ONLY chance is what Jesus did in my stead."
@filoIII Hello. If you don't believe that holy=righteous=not wallowing in sin then we could never agree. However, this verse may help Rom 6:22, "you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life." This verse says that not sinning=holiness=getting to heaven. The thing is, if you are in sin then repent and the Lord will give you power to resist it in future. If you don't you will die (Rom 8:12-14). God bless, Mick
@christianissues I can see right now how you end up w/ false doctrines. You use a catholic based bible. Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.--We're servants, not slaves. And please don't try to make it sound as if I support wallowing in sin as you put it. A look at my channel will suggest anything but. Again, you're hoping in your good deeds for salvation & my only hope is what Jesus did instead.
@filoIII Hello again. Well, the choice is yours. A person can remain a slave to sin or repent and, through the power of the Spirit, become a slave (servant) of righteousness. Rom. 8:4 says that through the Spirit we can be fully righteous and this is confirmed in 2 Pet. 1:3-4. Salvation is not the free ride you espouse and repentance is not good deeds but a condition of salvation. As Jesus said to the people, I say to you, "Repent or perish" (and repent is present tense). God bless, Mick
@christianissues Rom 8:3 explains Law keeping isn't what saves-For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.---We're to forsake sin, BUT, sinless perfection is a lie. I've seen the hypocrisy in holiness churches, & YOUR righteousness won't cut it.
@filoIII My friend, I have never said that anyone can be sinless and it's heretical to say that we can be. But, we can be blameless through repenting of our sins whenever necessary and that is all God asks of us. Simple stuff ... confess and be forgiven and CLEANSED of all unrighteousness, just as it says in 1 John 1:9. The Calvary Road is a free book which has led many souls to a close walk with Jesus. It is easy reading and free on my website. It's a great book ... and free. God bless, Mick
@filoIII Hello again. Well, the choice is yours. A person can remain a slave to sin or repent and, through the power of the Spirit, become a slave (servant) of righteousness. Rom. 8:4 says that through the Spirit we can be fully righteous and this is confirmed in 2 Pet. 1:3-4. Salvation is not the free ride you espouse and repentance is not good deeds but a condition of salvation. As Jesus said to the people, I say to you, "Repent or perish" (and repent is present tense). God bless, Mick
@christianissues Salvation is not a "free ride" but a FREE GIFT. Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.--I suggest you meditate on what the Book has to say about man trying to work his way to heaven. You'll fall WOEFULLY short.
@filoIII Sorry, what I meant to say was, "Salvation is not the free ride you espouse and repentance is not good deeds for salvation but a condition of salvation. " God bless, Mick
@christianissues I'm not saying repentance isn't a condition of salvation, but your definition of repentance is works based. I still don't think you addressed how it is God repented, since you claim repentance is turning from sin.
@filoIII If I said in my mind that I am sorry for offending you but kept offending you, would you say I have repented? Can a change of mind without a change of actions mean anything at all? No, it would be purely hypocritical. Once again, please read Luke 13:1-9 and note 1) that the passage is all about sin and 2) that without fruit (outward proof) the tree will be cut down ... and we all know what that means. God bless, Mick
@christianissues A change of mind (repentance) will lead to a change of actions. You still claim repentance is a turning from sin to be saved, yet you can't and won't deal w/ the fact God repented. You have a works based mentality as to what repentance is. A person doesn't work to be saved as you suppose, but works because he is saved. A world of difference between the two, & you get the last word.
@filoIII I see you missing my point as you see me missing yours but not to worry. I hope you find the time and have the inclination to read The Calvary Road. It's not about losing salvation but about hearing and following the Lord's voice. It really is a wonderful book. I struggled for years to know how to hear the Lord's voice and it brought the message home. God bless once again. Mick
Negating the Cross of Jesus Christ? 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life...Rom.5
I really like this channel, especially the Faith and Works topic. It is what I learned from the Bible study that I went into, and I hope I could go back there again.
We are saved by grace and grace ALONE, nothing we can add to, Jesus mercy and what he did for all of us. One can lose rewards in heaven, at the bema seat. But you are still in heaven by his grace=LOve. Im pretty sure there is a scripture that says Some go to heaven but by the skin of their teeth. How long did the thief on the cross had time to repent?. Is instant faith in Jesus and who he was, saved him. We all struggle at times God see's our heart, and our struggles. Grace brings reptance.
MrPsalm53 3 months ago
@MrPsalm53 Hello there. The idea that we lose rewards for sin comes from a misinterpretation of scripture. I you look at my video called Losing Our Rewards you will see what I mean. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
In Acts 15:5 it says "there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed.." These were believers, yet had problems understanding that the grace of God alone saves. Acts 15:11 I submit, that in churches today, you have those who believe the gospel, but have problems with their walk, some even grieving and quenching the Spirit, yet they are saved because they believe.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello there. Yes, I believe that there are saved people who are struggling with sin and I mentioned this in the video. I think that God sees their repentant heart struggling not to sin. But I also believe that if a saved person enters into a lifestyle of deliberate sin then their salvation is at stake. I have a video called Do Not Grieve The Spirit which talks about this. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Good discussion Mick.I'll give my take on this.What is at stake for the believer is what scripture says in the NT is called the salvation of the soul.This is not the same thing as being saved by grace.The salvation of the soul is about the walk of a believer which will be judged. Saved from a devil's hell is not in this picture.But, being able to rule and reign with the Lord in the next age to come is on the table.Willful sinning by the believer is judged now or before the Lord.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello again. What scritpure do you use to differentiate between saved and salvation? I believe saved and salvation are entirely synonymous. Eph 2:8 says we are saved by Grace. The same word for saved is used in Matt. 1:21 which says that Jesus will save us from our sins and Act 4:12 says that salvation is in Jesus'. Whatever the case, I believe that if a believer deliberately continues in sin then he will be condemned as Heb. 10:26-30 says. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Good question Mick. When we know that salvation from a devil's hell is by grace, then the word saved and salvation would be synonymous. But when studying the walk of the believer, we know it is about how we walk and includes the deeds of the body whether they are good or bad. 2 Cor.5:10 The word (soul) implies the life we live. It's a works issue that is motivated by love for the Lord. James speaks about this in James 1:21. Peter speaks about this in 1 Pet. 1:9 continued..
Terry8150 3 months ago
@christianissues Very interesting scripture from Heb.10:26-30.Note,the context is judgment of the Lord's own,vs30.This won't be to determine heaven or hell.It will be to determine the right to rule and reign with the Lord in the next age to come.Heb.2:5 But, and this isn't popular, it also shows that in judging His own, there are some serious things to see even though the believer is saved by grace. The house of God is judged first. 1 Pet.4:17 Paul says the believer can (suffer loss) continue..
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Yes, it sure is talking about judging His own. Vs. 26-27 say that those who continue in sin will be consumed by His fiery wrath, clearly hell. Then v. 30 says that He is going to take vengeance on those, in the previous verse, who have insulted the Spirit of Grace by trodding on the blood of the Lord which sanctified them. Only saved souls have ever been sanctified by the blood and can face the dread of falling into the hands of the living God. God bless Terry, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Heb. 10:27 speaks about ( fiery indignation). You are applying that to hell. But, the truth is that all believers will have their walk tested by fire.1 Cor.3:15 The point of this passage is that vengeance is taken upon those that have been sanctified (set apart), who are the people of God. Salvation by grace does not exempt the believer from being judged and held accountable for how we walk.But, as Paul said, even suffering loss, we shall be saved.1 Cor.3:15 It's in the text.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. 1 Cor. is not talking about sin or real fire. It is talking about doctrine and being saved 'as if through fire' - figurative speech. My video, Losing Our Rewards, shows how this passage is seriously misinterpreted. However, Heb. 10 is cleary talking about hell as it says that the raging fire will consume God's enemies. Plus, Heb. 10:28-29 talk about once sanctified souls facing a worse punishment than those who died without mercy under Moses. God bless, Mick.
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues The text in 1 Cor. mentions fire three times in the judgment of our walk.Verse 13 says Our walk shall be (revealed by fire) vs13 Second, it is the work of believers being tested by fire and thrown into the fire, not the believer. In truth, the fire will be the word of God.Jude 23 tells us to save a brother (with fear)(pulling them out of the fire). What is the issue in this verse. (the garment spotted by the flesh). But in the text, scripture says the believer (shall be saved).
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. 1 Cor. 3 doesn't mention our walk at all. Fire will test our work, the way we build, not our walk. It is all about building the church and you can't build a church with sin. If you try to fit sin into this passage then you will end up saying that we can build the church with golden sins. If you read the chapter with doctrine, leadership in mind then it makes perfect sense but if you read it with sin in mind then it becomes nonsense. God bless, Mick.
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissuesOur work is the way we walk.Paul makes the appeal to the individual believer.Building upon the foundation is what we are talking about.Every saved person is a builder.That implicates the way we live in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ.The scripture calls our work deeds done in the body.Those deeds are called either good or bad.Bad as in wicked.That's reflecting sin in our walk or works.The scripture always should apply to us personally.That's the place of doctrine in our walk.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. You are missing the entire context of the passage. Paul sums it up in 1 Cor. 4:6 in saying that we are not to go beyond what is written nor take pride in one man over another. Clearly, sin is not in question. Going beyond what is written and following men can only be related to doctrine and leadership. Once again, you are saying that a man will be rewarded for building a church with golden sin. That really makes no sense Terry. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Mick, you skipped what Paul said right after verse 15 in chapter three. Verse 16 speaks to any man (the subject is the Corinthian believer) (defile the temple of God) him shall God destroy. How does one defile the temple Mick? Got to be a reference to the work tested and revealed by fire. vs. 13 What Paul says in 1Cor. 4:6 simply includes himself or Apollos in that picture. The context comes out of verse 2. The issue is faithfulness in stewards.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Yes, the issue is faithfulness ... to the trust. Paul is talking about being faithful to the trust God has given him as the Apostle to the Gentiles. Again, sin is not mentioned. Continue reading on from v.2 to v.6 and you will see that sin is nowhere to be seen. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Sin in the walk is at issue in the works of a believer. After all, Heb. 10 speaks to the believer who willfully sins. Paul says that our deeds are judged to be good or bad. 2 Cor.5:10 the word bad is (kakos) which implies work that is depraved (evil)(wicked) and injurious to the believer. Scripture clearly says that the believer can be injured by the second death. Rev.2:11 But, Romans 8:38 says that not even (death) shall separate us from the love of God. continued...
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Terry, Rev_2:11 says that believers CAN'T be hurt by the second death. "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death". The second death is for those who continue in sin as Heb. 10 tells us clearly. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Disagree.Rev.2:11 says "the overcomer shall not be hurt of the second death."The overcomer is a believer who overcomes in their walk.That's the issue in all the letters to the seven churches.This is not about overcoming because Christ has already overcome the world.That's positional truth that solidifies our security. But, the word (hurt) means to be injured.Believers, saved by grace can be injured of the second death. How?That's a study about rewards, crowns, and inheritance.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Terry you agree that Jesus said that a believer shall not be hurt by the second death. That's good. Then you said, "But, the word (hurt) means to be injured. Believers, saved by grace can be injured of the second death". So you believe that Jesus said believers can't be hurt by the second death (Rev. 2:11) then say that believers can be hurt by the second death. What am I to believe? God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Mick, need to go back to see what I said. A believer can be hurt by the second death if they are judged not to be overcomers in their walk.Believers saved by grace can be hurt (of) the second death. Jesus said they can be injured if they are judged and found not to be an overcomer in their walk. He didn't say they will be lost and end up in hell. Every letter gives the saved believer something to shoot for in their walk. What does it mean to be hurt of the second death?
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. The second death is the lake of fire and it is a one way ticket. God is not sending some there to get singed and then go to heaven. Really Terry, think about it. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Mick,key on the words(hurt of).It doesn't say (hurt in).The word (hurt) according to Strong's#91 means injured, to be an offender,to suffer,The emphasis is on the death experience a believer could go through that means there will be no change in the judgment.That would certainly be true for the lost without Christ.But,here the point is in relation to the believer's walk which is to overcome things.Check out Jeremiah13:16 which explains the mindset of God as it relates toRev.2:11
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Terry, Rev. tells us that the second death is the lake of fire, period. So far your interpretation tells me that a church can be built with sin; we can be rewarded for building with good sins; the raging fire and God's enemies of Heb 10 are actually in heaven (not hell); Jesus is wrong as we can be hurt by the second death; believers who don't overcome well will be singed in the lake of fire and then taken to heaven. Terry, I can't believe these things. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Not telling you Mick a church can be built with sin. Telling you from the text, that some believers will not be classified as overcomers in their walk and will suffer loss. There's zero reward for sin in the walk of the believer. Understand why you can't believe these things, but you can believe a saved person can lose their salvation and end up in hell. I'm trying to show why that will never happen.Nothing separates the believer from the love of God. Nothing, not even death.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Terry, with respect, how can you even consider that a sinning believer will pass through the lake of fire (the place of the second death), get singed a bit, and then proceed to heaven? I am amazed that you willing contradict Jesus with this explanation. Is this the Catholic Purgatory? Are they right after all? God bless mate, Mick.
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Mick,love you and your desire to help believers see the problem with judgment of our walk if it is contrary to the will and word of God. But your conclusion speaks against grace alone that saves, because it says we have something to do with the outcome of God's grace when it comes to being saved from a devil's hell. My position says that the believer's walk is going to be judged, even potentially with terror, yet as Paul said we (shall be saved). continued ...
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Terry my friend, if you are right then the clear errors in you explanation don't help your case in any way. You will have to come up with far better arguments to convince me. Jesus said to come like a child so if you do that and take what is said at face value then you will see that a holy walk is necessary for salvation. The Spirit gives us the power to be fully righteous (Rom 8:4). I know many, many passages which prove that a saved man can be lost. God bless, Mick.
christianissues 2 months ago
@christianissues Mick, your right.The believer is admonished to (be holy for for I am holy.) But that is not a condition in order to be saved.Salvation is by grace alone. But, to be admonished to walk holy, to walk in the Spirit, is exactly why the house of God is judged first, separate from when the world gets judge.There are zero passages which say a saved man can be lost. God does not contradict grace alone that saves in his word. That's why we have to place works into context of our walk.
Terry8150 2 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. I think we are going in circles Terry so we may as well drop the conversation. May the Lord bless and keep you. Mick
christianissues 2 months ago
@christianissues Hate to hear this Mick,Still lots to see.My position is that the house of God is judged apart from the world. We are told to (behave) ourselves (in) the church of the living God.1Tim.3:15 Then Paul says that (in) a great house there are vessels unto honor and some unto dishonor. 2 Tim. 2:20 That dishonor part is what I'm talking about. No where in scripture does it say a saved by grace believer, ever, potentially gets re tossed back into hell. But, we do get judged. God bless.
Terry8150 2 months ago
@Terry8150 Terry, I have shown you plainly where God says that saved souls can end up in hell but, in desperation, you have invented a Protestant Purgatory to sustain your belief. With sincere respect Terry, I can't debate with a person who presents such an argument. It would be pointless to show you other clear scriptures. God bless, Mick
christianissues 2 months ago
@christianissues Mick all I have said is application of bible truth.Saved soul's don't end up in hell.That totally contradicts the grace of God that saves.Your misunderstanding the place of judgment in our walk.To tell believers they could go to hell if they don't measure up to a holy walk subverts the soul of the believer,adds works to the grace of God to save,and robs potentially a full reward for the believer.In a great house are vessels unto honor and some unto dishonor.But all in the house.
Terry8150 2 months ago
@Terry8150 Terry, Charles Stanley also invented a Protestant Purgatory when he saw that the Lord's servant with one talent, Matt. 25, was to be tossed into the outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. This is not hell, says Charles in his wisdom, as the outer darkness is actually in heaven, outside the circle of the righteous, and those in this outer darkness are there for an unknown period, until their works are burned up - another purgatory. God bless, Mick
christianissues 2 months ago
@christianissues I have also said that it is the believer's works that are exposed by fire and that being hurt by the second death is not the believer passing through the lake of fire.The word (hurt) does not mean the believer passes through the lake of fire.The injury which is a second death experience, eliminates the believer from sharing in the glory of God. That's what I believe it means to suffer loss. This does not contradict Jesus. This isn't a Catholic Purgatory doctrine. It's Bible.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@christianissues Hebrews 10 is not clearly speaking about hell. The word (fiery) has application literally or fig. Your application is not consistent with scripture that shows there is no separation from the love of God, although that doesn't mean the believer can't suffer loss or experience (sorer punishment) Yet, we shall be saved. And those who died without mercy under Moses were judged with physical death. Your assuming this means they went to hell.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello again Terry. If Heb. 10:26-27 is not talking about hell then where is the raging fire that consumes God's enemines? In heaven? Are God's enemies in heaven? God bless once again mate. Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues When Paul speaks about suffering loss, he is sure to say, yet the believer shall be saved, 1 Cor.3:15
Terry8150 3 months ago
@christianissues Watched your video on grieving the Spirit. Basically it is sound doctrine as it pertains to the kind of relationship we are to have walking in the Spirit. But, I would submit that the issue in Eph 5:5-6 is inheriting the kingdom of God, not going to heaven. We get the same feel for this in Gal. 5:19-21 Col.3:24 speaks of inheritance as a reward. Salvation is not a reward, but a gift. The believer keeps the gift, but could lose the reward. Need to keep this separate.
Terry8150 3 months ago
@Terry8150 Hello Terry. I think you missed the point in Eph 5:6-7 which tell us not to be partners with the wicked or else we also will suffer wrath. These verses tell us not to be deceived into thinking otherwise. As I mentioned before, Heb. 10:26:30 makes it painfully clear that a believer can become an enemy of God and be consumed by His fiery wrath. God bless, Mick
christianissues 3 months ago
@christianissues Your right, we are not to be partakers of those who will suffer the wrath of God. But, got to see the word wrath in light of Heb.10:30 The word wrath carries with it the idea of vengeance. And Heb. 10:29 suggest that the believer could be punished even though saved by grace from a devil's hell. Not popular as I said, but in the text.
Terry8150 3 months ago
saved! cool video
289dancer 5 months ago
@KJBOnly It's a works based gospel he preaches. I attended holiness churches before and this is their doctrine.
filoIII 5 months ago
If repentance means a change of lifestyle, did God change His lifestyle when He repented? Or is it actually a change in the way one thinks about something?
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII Hello there. The KJV says 'repented' in Gen. 6:6 whereas other translations say God was grieved, regretted or was sorry. Actual turning from sins, repenting, is spoken of in Jer. 34:15 ... read it in context and you will see that they did more than think about changing, they did change their ways. If you read Luke 13:1-9 you will see that repentance is clearly turning away from sin, otherwise we will be cut down like the fig tree...no fruit, no salvation. God bless, Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
@christianissues If you're saying that them TURNING to the Lord is the definition of repentance, then what do you call their TURNING again to polluting His name, derepenting? disrepenting? Not really sure what you're getting at w/ Lk 13. Nowhere does it say repenting is CLEARLY turning away from sin. You don't get yourself clean before you come to Christ. You come to Christ when you're encrusted in the muck and mire of sin and JESUS begins the cleansing process. You have a works gospel.
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII Hello again. Well, holy = righteous and remaining in sin is not righteous. Heb 12:14 says, "without holiness no one will see the Lord". Then 1 John 3:7 warns us, "Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous [holy], just as he is righteous [holy]". So, you can choose to repent (practice righteousness) and be declared holy and righteous or you can remain in sin and be damned like the fig tree. The choice is ours. God bless, Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
@christianissues 1st, where does it say holy=righteous, and 2nd, whose holiness are you banking on to get you to heaven? Your own? That'll never do. I was involved in a holiness church before and it's a works gospel. When you stand before God one day your reasoning for getting into heaven will be "Look how good and clean I lived Lord. I followed all the rules (even tho you don't)." I'm going to stand there and say, "I'm worthy of hell and my ONLY chance is what Jesus did in my stead."
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII Hello. If you don't believe that holy=righteous=not wallowing in sin then we could never agree. However, this verse may help Rom 6:22, "you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life." This verse says that not sinning=holiness=getting to heaven. The thing is, if you are in sin then repent and the Lord will give you power to resist it in future. If you don't you will die (Rom 8:12-14). God bless, Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
@christianissues I can see right now how you end up w/ false doctrines. You use a catholic based bible. Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.--We're servants, not slaves. And please don't try to make it sound as if I support wallowing in sin as you put it. A look at my channel will suggest anything but. Again, you're hoping in your good deeds for salvation & my only hope is what Jesus did instead.
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII Hello again. Well, the choice is yours. A person can remain a slave to sin or repent and, through the power of the Spirit, become a slave (servant) of righteousness. Rom. 8:4 says that through the Spirit we can be fully righteous and this is confirmed in 2 Pet. 1:3-4. Salvation is not the free ride you espouse and repentance is not good deeds but a condition of salvation. As Jesus said to the people, I say to you, "Repent or perish" (and repent is present tense). God bless, Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
@christianissues Rom 8:3 explains Law keeping isn't what saves-For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.---We're to forsake sin, BUT, sinless perfection is a lie. I've seen the hypocrisy in holiness churches, & YOUR righteousness won't cut it.
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII My friend, I have never said that anyone can be sinless and it's heretical to say that we can be. But, we can be blameless through repenting of our sins whenever necessary and that is all God asks of us. Simple stuff ... confess and be forgiven and CLEANSED of all unrighteousness, just as it says in 1 John 1:9. The Calvary Road is a free book which has led many souls to a close walk with Jesus. It is easy reading and free on my website. It's a great book ... and free. God bless, Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
@filoIII Hello again. Well, the choice is yours. A person can remain a slave to sin or repent and, through the power of the Spirit, become a slave (servant) of righteousness. Rom. 8:4 says that through the Spirit we can be fully righteous and this is confirmed in 2 Pet. 1:3-4. Salvation is not the free ride you espouse and repentance is not good deeds but a condition of salvation. As Jesus said to the people, I say to you, "Repent or perish" (and repent is present tense). God bless, Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
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@christianissues Salvation is not a "free ride" but a FREE GIFT. Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.--I suggest you meditate on what the Book has to say about man trying to work his way to heaven. You'll fall WOEFULLY short.
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII Sorry, what I meant to say was, "Salvation is not the free ride you espouse and repentance is not good deeds for salvation but a condition of salvation. " God bless, Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
@christianissues I'm not saying repentance isn't a condition of salvation, but your definition of repentance is works based. I still don't think you addressed how it is God repented, since you claim repentance is turning from sin.
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII If I said in my mind that I am sorry for offending you but kept offending you, would you say I have repented? Can a change of mind without a change of actions mean anything at all? No, it would be purely hypocritical. Once again, please read Luke 13:1-9 and note 1) that the passage is all about sin and 2) that without fruit (outward proof) the tree will be cut down ... and we all know what that means. God bless, Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
@christianissues A change of mind (repentance) will lead to a change of actions. You still claim repentance is a turning from sin to be saved, yet you can't and won't deal w/ the fact God repented. You have a works based mentality as to what repentance is. A person doesn't work to be saved as you suppose, but works because he is saved. A world of difference between the two, & you get the last word.
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII I see you missing my point as you see me missing yours but not to worry. I hope you find the time and have the inclination to read The Calvary Road. It's not about losing salvation but about hearing and following the Lord's voice. It really is a wonderful book. I struggled for years to know how to hear the Lord's voice and it brought the message home. God bless once again. Mick
christianissues 5 months ago
Amen!
If you sin, you have to repent.
Jesus' blood covers your sinful past if you are truly sorry.
You are no longer a sinner but a saint, unless you sin again.
"He who commits sin is of the devil." - 1 John 3:8
"Without Holiness, no man shall see the Lord." - Hebrews 12:14
ConfederatePatriot 5 months ago
BINGO! This message really hits the nail.
ServantoftheLamb 1 year ago
Acts 2:38 - "Repent and be baptized n the Name of Jesus for the remission of sins and you will receive the gift of holy spirit.
"There is no other name give to men whereby we must be saved."
We need to be baptized in Jesus' name so that we can receive the holy spirit and bear fruit.
Theophillous 1 year ago
God Bless!
hudna1 1 year ago
now with jesus with me, i cant even lie without having a really nagging feeling,
even if its just a "small lie"
Studmon182 2 years ago
Negating the Cross of Jesus Christ? 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life...Rom.5
kkkkkkatherine 2 years ago
Good work, sir. God Bless.
JacRab25 2 years ago
very good video.. (:
CherryxPiex 2 years ago
I liked this video it is so true
RonFarrow1 2 years ago
This is good. I really enjoyed it and it is so true,
God Bless You, sharon
anewme2008 3 years ago
I really like this channel, especially the Faith and Works topic. It is what I learned from the Bible study that I went into, and I hope I could go back there again.
KumandanteRaymundo 3 years ago