Jackson State University Drumline War and Thunder-Crosstight

[Tockwork]

yall criticizing what seems to be a band camp video from three years ago??? this show yall know nothing about hbcu bands

this is a sweet marching cadence btw.... sorry yall this clearly isn't intended as a punch, but yall saying it sounds bad? come on now you only watchin the snares play flams, 9 stroke rolls and then go h.a.m. on some simple ass movements. but jackson state had some stuff with chops. nsu yes is the choppiest hbcu due to their dependency on technical shit.

[KC816KC]

Power Stroke 77 And Silver Foxes

[DrPerki]

This just sounds bad. My drum line plays a version of this with much harder parts.

[irocknuknowthis]

this is what happens when people with about 4 brain cells go to a college that only accepts people with 4 brain cells. that shit sounds like shoes in a dryer.  playing rhythms that any kid in 8th grade band could handle. watch ANY DCI drumline you can find on youtube and then feel ashamed you ever touched a fucking drum.

[A2SAS2IN]

this sucked, and thats coming from an 8th grader.. pitiful guys, slow it down and you might do better..

[SnareForLife1995]

dirt

[pharr556]

So who wanna mess wit WT!

WT 10'

#3 Falcon

F.A.Y.H.

[MIKEFROSTED]

I love all thier cadences and the dynamic use of ALL the rudiments. Let me see you do a flamadiddle.

[09JWT]

Still love this vid to this day!!!! I see you Mama Joe!!

[Xdoode]

I focus mainly on corpstyle drumming but I do like to add some showstyle stick tricks into my playing. Even though it may be a little dirty, show style drummers definitely have more entertainment factors and groove than corps.

[JordanBradleyMathews]

Well, at least you guys were having fun.

[KiahIsLame]

Anyone here heard of DCI? That's all I got to say.

[LHSclin10]

@KiahIsLame Well obviously I can't speak for everyone, but I've heard of DCI. WGI as well, which applies to this situation equally. What's your point? No wait, let me guess. You don't like this because it isn't the machine-like precision you're used to, and you have no soul (hah) when it comes to music. You think this is the dirtiest playing you've ever heard, and it's terrible. Well guess what? I love Ditty, Double Beat, and Blue Bucks. AND this. Now gtfo, and open your mind while you're at it.

[paulrd95]

@KiahIsLame bet u couldnt even make it thru pre drill.........

[TheDragonmaster18]

@KiahIsLame this style of drumming has been ariund longer than DCI dude. this style of drumming has been around since the 1930's. this style actully comes from military roots and a lot of these cadences were inspired from military cadences but all this drumline and many others like this one just added dancing and tick tricks. and by the way you do realize this was for entertaining the crowd and as well this is from the 2006 season

[babyst12]

wt is da best drmline ever

[tresborn1990]

youre marching band cant beat us, we have war over there

[DrPerki]

Yep... JSU is pretty much garbage.

[TheDragonmaster18]

@DrPerki this isnot even the current drumline so shut up

[mccubeical]

What tenors and skins are being used does anyone know?

[skylarluvsyou]

omg i love this! i was wondering wat it was called cuz our percussion plays it all the time!!

[courtneylovaz2010]

i love jsu drumline

[TheDragonmaster18]

@TenorBoy2011 this isnt dirty its just a different style. if everyone played the same way then no drumline can have its own thing. and this is one of the cleanest showstyle drumlines out there. and you are probably calling them dirty cause the way the snares are tuned.

[centraldrummer]

@TheDragonmaster18 ive heard snares tuned this way and play clean... and this is not clean...

[TheDragonmaster18]

@centraldrummer this is actually clean since this is their alumni drumline. most orf these guys havent played since they graduated from this school.

[comptontbones09]

@TenorBoy2011 hater!

[TheHuedon]

Slow it down a lil bit youngstas!! Still cool though! Good job WT!

[lyrikkalvision07]

This is really dirty.....

[laaxe]

Even these precision-driven kids are blown away by the Swiss TOP SECRET DRUM CORP!

[MAGICmack23]

hmmmm this sounds like crappy ass drums if this was my band i would prob not march go march with someone whos good like scv or bd damm this suck it kind of hurts to listen to this crappy quality of playing

[TheDragonmaster18]

@MAGICmack23 dude its not crappy its just different. all showstyle bands really are is just old school military bands with show to it. thats why they sound the way they sound. and just because they are different doesnt mean they arenot good. and alot of people love this band. at halftime the stadium is full just to see this band and this isnot even the current drumline this is the alumni

[MAGICmack23]

@TheDragonmaster18 nho it is crappy i bet i could get little eigfht graders to play this

[TheDragonmaster18]

@MAGICmack23 its not dirty its different and the snares have kelvar instead of mylar if they had mylar it'll be better. and listen to the current drumline they are good. and so what it aint perfect they not even trying to be perfect they are only for ENTERTAIMENT not being perfect cause its boring being perfect all the time

[MAGICmack23]

@TheDragonmaster18 i dont kno how u play drums but being clean is always important

[TheDragonmaster18]

@MAGICmack23 not for showstyle cause all they do is entertain but they try at least to make it sound decent since the crowds they play for dont know what a drumline is suppose to sound like

[soulfuldancer]

Show style is the only style....

[prankcallz444]

@soulfuldancer no. show style is dirty. and always has the same simple beats. DCI is where the real talent comes from.

[TheDragonmaster18]

@prankcallz444 showstyle isnot dirty its just different and there are cleaner showstyle drumlines. look up NSU, BCU, VSU

[JerzeyBoiJerzey]

this shit tight i dont know wut you talkin bout homie...

[johnnyboy565]

i really wanna march snare for these dudes!!!

[marrag3]

this shit sound like ass crack wtf was yall doin come to JIM HILL and see how we do it .... DAMN MAN YALL SOM BITCHES...

[IloveJSU]

I hate this cadence with a pasion i mean i played it so much to where when i hear it i go to another video.I dont know why I dont like it its just some about this i dont like..

[shawntrocks]

u see corps style lovers, our style is legendery and goes way back, BEFORE U WERE BORN

[XylussN]

@shawntrocks Play well; clean and in time and I don't care what style the drumline is. And this isn't clean.

[shawntrocks]

oh by the way, did u corps style lovers know that GRAMBLING STATE performed in the very first SUPERBOWL HALFTIME SHOW

[shawntrocks]

well i dont know, but anytime there is a blackcollege football game on NBC, NBC makes damnnn sure they show all of haltime instead of other scores when hehehe notre dame or penn state is playing.

[kaptainkrunk]

who is that lightskin snare dummer?? he needs to gimme his phone number

[wolfleaderq]

But wat yall are saying is that these guys cant play rudiments u dont understand that we have to perfect rudiments aight young dudes at middle schools have to learn the rudiments to be able to play these dudes know rudiments cause if they didnt they wouldnt be playin

[thePolak94]

Corps is perfection of rudiments and precision while these types of drumlines are mainly on flare and groove

[XylussN]

@thePolak94 Corps have tons of groove too.

[thePolak94]

@XylussN well yeah i know that, its just theres a huge difference in the grooves corps plays and what these drumlines play. get what im trying to say?

[thePolak94]

Lets just say that these drumlines work on precision, flare, and groove while corps drumlines work on precision and being badass, no bad mouth responses to this please im only speakin my mind

[TrillCoop]

To all bruhs who commented just quit arguing with them remember if its not white it not right to THEM. Anyway why are they viewing this video of they hate the style so much. hell we created funk, groove, jazz, blues, rock and roll, country, and SOUL.

[chriskellyist]

War and thunder iz da shit cant nobody in da swac fuck wit dem ima b dere in 2013v i no its a long way

[wolfleaderq]

wait wait wait just because they play show style does not mean these dudes cant chop thats not correct at all

[wolfleaderq]

Show style and corpse styles r two different sides to the same coin me i like both JSU is my dream school two play snare at there drumline plays showstyle during a song and corpse during a challenge

When they do candences wit dances is to show yall how Funky the are and its for the fans these are some dudes that can chop as well as look good while playing

[Congobruh4]

n yea ur right, the movie drumline did give a wrong impression... the wrong impression of what a BLACK drumline is. becuz the movie only is not even 1/4 correct on how a black marching is...thats the hollywood version of a marching band.....n u kno how we kno dat black marching bands are better? why is it that when a black marching band, HBCU and even high school put on a show at a NCAA college or white high school, y does it always end with the white ppl giving us standin ovations....point!!

[Congobruh4]

and corpstyle, dnt sleep on HBCU's cuz believe it or not, South Carolina State University, Norfolk State University, Johnson C Smith University, Bethune Cookman College, jus to name a few are on their DCI shit......oh yea they will chop yall up like carrots

[drmmrboy88]

@Congobruh4 I'll agree with you on this one, but for the "choppin" corps lines up? Nah

[Tockwork]

@Congobruh4

lol @ how jcsu is mentioned with bcu and nsu

[Congobruh4]

now corpstyle percussion sections has the upper down becuz dey know a shit load of rudiments, sticking, etc. but showstyle percussion sections are better becuz dey kno how to entertain the crowd opposed to jus playin for no reason at all. corpstyle is hella boring. now there are some corpstyle drumlines that will give a showstyle drumline the business but at the same time there are alot of HBCU drumlines that will literally dig in corpstyle drumlines ass.

[Congobruh4]

aye aye aye aye aye. i got something to say. i agree with u, it does kills me when white ppl from corp style drumlines get on showstyle videos and talk shit about what it is that im HBCU percussion is doing or how bad their doing, yes we do play on 2 different styles but it doesn give yall no right to come on showstyle videos and talk shit about them becuz dey work jus as hard as any corpstyle percussion.

[seetherfan1369]

now that i've watched the whole video (unfortunately), they have no skills what-so-ever and if they do, they sure as fuck arent applying it in this dumbass fucking piece

[himynameisnickwarfor]

HahAHAHA! you are fuckin hilarious! i luv the BIGG SHIT ppl talk behind the safety of their computers!!! but thats besides the point...As far as rudimentially complex i gurantee their essentials and hybrids are by far more impressive then that "intricate" corps style shit U love so much!!...Educate yourself a little more before U make half ass comments! oh yeh and id luv to see you or your neice pick up sum sticks and attempt anything JSU has ever played!!

[seetherfan1369]

yeah yeah.... go fuck your mother some more. i was in the drumline for years, went to a College camp for drummers, one of the best in this state, and they sound ALOT better than this moth full of shit i hear in this video. these people are sloppy, unorganized, they dance and "vogue" more than any-fucking-thing, so until i hear something worth listening to... you suck, THEY suck, and the whole college music progrm sucks if this is the kind of shit they produce. enjoy your mickey mouse drumasses

[himynameisnickwarfor]

Dude jus SHUT THE FUCK UP! U havent made one valid point what so ever!!! The fact is Your a fukkin 40year old virgin whose pissed off becuz his wack ass college line didnt hav shit on any show style line in the world and most definetly not WT!.. Im done with this U FUKKIN NERD!

[marrag3]

@himynameisnickwarfor YA FUCKIN RIGHT..

[TheDragonmaster18]

@seetherfan1369 cant you see this is for the fans. when yu play for non musicians this is what they want to see and this is a style that has been around since the 30's which is way before DCI came around

[drmmrboy88]

@himynameisnickwarfor There is just so muchbull in this comment, it makes me laugh

[seetherfan1369]

4 yr olds could play that shit you call "drumming"... so go fuck yourself

[thePolak94]

@slickkapone cant we all just get along and say "good game" to both styles?

[lemmon1313]

@slickkapone if corps in elementary this much be pre school

[12345timm]

@slickkapone you just called corps style elementary. cuz theres nuthin harder than sixteenth notes. 0.o

[DNWGretsch182]

@slickkapone wow look who thinks he knows what percussion is all about

[khorijwilson]

@slickkapone yeah but this would sound amazing clean on corp drums

[licebuddies]

@slickkapone hey asshole... i see a few rudiments here?

[centraldrummer]

@slickkapone ha are you trying to say this is complex??

[slickkapone]

@centraldrummer lol, first of all I never said this is complex, they're just on the yard playing loosely for some students. I should know I graduated from JSU. Check some of the other vidz, i'm not hating on corps style, I just prefer this style over it. Some people prefer corps style, nothing wrong with that!!!

[centraldrummer]

@slickkapone well i prefer corps style but ive always wanted to march a season on a line like this just for the experience... i like drum corps playing but i think doing this for a season would be a blast just cuz i like to dance and add flashes in practices and such just to be goofin ha

[seetherfan1369]

sounds like a mouth full of shit to me... and what the fuck is up with all the goddamn dancing in black bands? I've never EVER understood why they have to turn it into some sort of fucking dancing contest. fuck the dancing, learn to play the goddamn instruments like they're meant to be played and leave the modern art dramatizations to the art majors!

[himynameisnickwarfor]

Your right about 1 THING,,, YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!!...SO,Maybe you should consider just shutting your mouth when you dont understand oppossed to talking and appearing like an ASSHOLE.

[seetherfan1369]

drumlines/drumcorps actually write music and play intricate and complex rudiments and shit... these douchebags in the video are playing shit that my 8yr old niece can play. Oh, by the way, MAKE ME shut my mouth :)

[kevinhall0056]

Man, i just can't respect this style of drumming when there's other college drumlines like Western Carolina University, University of Florida, Penn State, University of Northern Texas and other college drumlines with drum corps background. This style is sloppy and not really drumming in my opinion, way more dancing than anything.

[347826able]

they at=re a showband so what do you expect them to do. if you havent noticce some bands have switched to this syle or have combined both. but if you want to see a drumline better than this look up scsu there drum captain is a former cadet snare capatain

[347826able]

what sticks are the snares using

[moonodude17]

I'm probably just speaking out of my ass, but they don't have the structure of any Vic Firth stick I've ever seen, marching OR set.

[Enuop]

@347826able Silverfox

[347826able]

what type of silver fox cause its not the nylon tip ones

[Enuop]

@347826able no the wood tip ones

[Mack5Eastside5]

dem boys rockin that hoe

[igknightus]

why did jsu change its program?

[erock8000]

morris brown stole the series

[machohamm05]

Someone told me this was one of the best drumlines in the nation.... Now I will give it to them that this cadence has a pretty good beat. You may think I'm a stupid white boy and think that I only like "corps style" marching because I think FSU Big 8 drumline is the best in the nation. But they are, and they do groove as well. Listen to "Hatian Hustle" and you'll know what I mean.

[slickkapone]

it's all good machohamm05: we have two totally different styles...I respect both, being white has nothing to do with anything though, If you like it, well, you like it!!! LOL...much respect from a JSU '03 Grad...

[bcaviness]

what was the point in the snare giving a tempo, if they were going to rush it about 15 clicks faster right after?

[deucecdb]

i wonder if they know that clicking sticks like that should have something to do with the speed. looks pretty stupid if they dont.

[deucecdb]

i hate this style of band. keep it corps. and when you say corps have no feeling, you make yourself look stupid. corps take more tim to perfect ther music.

[NCwidlcat]

what hell you doing watching it then. If yo punk ass dont like dont click to watch and leave your wack ass comment

[EGLANDJOSEPH]

and dats y its boring to watch

[itsabreeze2me]

Certain parts of this cadence sounds like Morris Browns Marching Cadence Called Series....if ya dont believe me go to morris brown percussion sections myspace page...myspacedot com/stickinsensation

[therawest601]

JSU made up tha series, morris brown caught on it several years later. WT made it....

[TrillCoop]

Oh yea look at Norfolk, BCU, drumsections them boys can chop

[msadd3995]

if u ever can can out NSU band directors u will see that they were at JSU first ........

[therawest601]

He's the percussion director there mane!!!!

[TrillCoop]

White folks kill me by coming on showstyle videos talking about things they know nothing about yall are known for stealing if it wasn't for us there would be no blues,country,jazz,soul,funk,g­roove,rock&roll,or pop. Always curious about what we're doing more white people bought drumline than anybody!

[Paralda]

White people invented drumlines. Besides, it's not just white people ragging on black people. It's good musicians ragging on bad ones. I know plenty of black people who march Corps and do it well, and I'm sure there are white people who play show style and are bad musicians to boot.

[TrillCoop]

Yep white people invented drumlines but drums were invented in Africa and yes its white people ragging on showstyle because they cant do it but now you see them trying to do mini dance routines i thought that was look down upon at PWCS? besides the percussion instructor at Jackson State is white! at least he knows what funk is. and just because you march showstyle somebody from corps style automatically ASSume you cant play please its 2 totally different styles!

[Paralda]

Actually, drums were invented in Asia/The Middle East, primarily around India in 5000 BC.

And anyone can play the easy shit show bands play. I've seen maybe one show band player actually know how to play, and that was Ralph Nader.

[TrillCoop]

my point techincally the middle east is part of africa. anyone are you serious unless youre referring to yourself. just like i stated earlier corpstyle bands are beginning to put showband material in their shows the style of play fits the music ever heard of a drumset? thats what their drum section sound is based off of Jackson State is nothing more than a big Jazz band. we play more than whats on the radio son.

[Paralda]

India is in Asia.

And yes, anyone. Look at Drum Corps and try to tell me with a straight face that they couldn't blow away show bands' percussion sections. If you're not going to play your hardest, why play at all?

[TrillCoop]

Yea duh ! india is a part of Eurasia. ever heard of funk and groove mixed. that what we're about its a showband ! 2 dffferent styles but you're still trying to compare apples to oranges. playing wise depends on what types of heads your playing on. yea but it has no life because Drum Corps main focus is guess what rudiment perfection but that should be any percussionist main goal anyway since skipped around about what i said about a drumset sound that what this drumsection is based on.

[Paralda]

Look at Blue Devils, or even Phantom Regiment this year. They play to popular jazz and even emulate a drum set (with their major impact points... the inner-beats are still low). Quarter notes should never be played at a non-impact point.

[chevbboy]

They couldn't. This comparison is pointless. Could jazz blow rock away? Could classical blow blues away?

I agree play your hardest or not at all. The content focuses on two totally different concepts with residue of each other due to setups and equipment.

[conpsiquence151]

@Paralda actually you are very incorrect in your assumption. The first percussion instruments were made in Africa and were actually made from different size holes in the ground. When the player would smack the earth on the inside of the different size wholes it produced different tones. Later on the log drum and the djembe drum came into play.

[jaeli09]

I agree their drums do sound bad...but watching them has me ready to play some snare tomorrow--we play corps music though...lol...I almost wish I didn't graduate, so I could be back in highschool playing something like this with my old drumline [i was section leader ;] ]

[jbutta89]

Until you have played in a SWAC band I feel that you cannot insert opinion......or come up with your own assumption POINT BLANK!

[bunadun01]

the only thing i can really say about dem iz dat there band as a whole iz ill but dem snaredrums need to be tightened 4real

[OndrausCissell]

I really feel sorry for these kids. They are playing their hearts out, but there drums sound horrible. STINGRAY drums are some of the most horrible drums you can play on It makes me wonder; are their music programs in such bad shape they are using drums athat are almost 20 years old. If they better drums and tuning they could sound much better. It would be nice to see other parts of the drumline as well however so much emphasis is put on the snare line TBC drumlines.

[therawest601]

Even during the time, the stingrays were there back up drums for basketball games,prep-rallies, and minor events. They use their dynasty drums for football games and Battle of the Band events. Trust me, their music program isn't underfunded!!!

[OndrausCissell]

Well that is good to know! However, I thought if you are giving a public performance, pep rally or otherwise, you want to play on your best gear. I would hope that someone would put up a better video. . Although you can tell that the snares are some what clean. However, the bottom line is to me is don't you want the best sound for any public performance. Don't you want your students playing on a consistent playing surface all of the time anyway. If it is raining... then use the Stingrays.

[chevbboy]

I'm not from Jackson, but I love their snares. Jackson's snares crossover into all the different types of music they play without compromising the feel.

[sagittarius12345]

dey got dem church drum sound LOL

[CellzBerry]

On point.

[jhim767]

wt stupid.lol.but the funky.but funky dont cut it

[IloveJSU]

All yall got JSU fucked up

[KEEZY100]

damm rite nobody kant fuck wit jsu .......not su ..not tsu...not txsu not nobody so stop haten on jackson ......

[DreamNeonBlack]

Yeah, Corp style drumlines are way fucking better than this crap. DCI all the way, motherfuckers!!! This is fucking talentless crap !! The movie DRUMLINE gave the wrong impression to what a real drumline is !!

[zeljr]

I respectfully disagree with you....I think its ok to be diifferent. Corp Style good. BUT this style is good also..If anything the movie drumline brought much needed attention to school music programs throughout the country..At the end of the day we are all musicians playing because we love music...

[Paralda]

Yeah, but you have to realize that a rodent with no talent could play the shit these Show bands are playing, where a very select, elite few, can even come close to playing Corps music.

[chevbboy]

Strongly disagree. Many corps players lack a certain kind of techniques to play on certain equipment and in certain music. Corps players are good at playing corps style (in most cases).

[Paralda]

So you're saying a Corps player who can play polyrhythms and hybrid rudiments at 200 bpm whilst running 4 to 5s across a football field would be unable to play 16th notes at 120 while backsticking?

I don't think so.

[chevbboy]

This comment lets me know you are not ready to play this style. Everything is not about textbook technique in music (even though that is important). Just try it in its element first then we can continue this convo (or just ask someone with an objective POV). BTW... I have played both. Not a matter of which is better or worse, They are different and not interchangable.

I have experience teaching students from both backrounds and notice the pros and cons of both. Just giving my thoughts.

[Paralda]

I agree completely that everything isn't about pure technique. There is no more emotional instrument than a drum. If you're in a Corps and you're just playing notes and rhythms, you're doing something wrong.

[chevbboy]

You are so right.

[2181989feb]

Whats wit all da hate????

[babaoba1]

War and Thunder are just what it says"War and Fuckin Thunder" Southern University get the hell out of the Way

 Mariama

[MariossoBombero]

Vet cool!!!:-) :-D XD

[mslaster]

shittin me....state got the best d-line homie

[KEEZY100]

jsu have da best drumline eva................da name of this iz crosstight

[autiemetal]

cool chops but damn tune the bass and mid toms or something. it sounds like pure shit

[jhim767]

man......this cadence blows ass...but i still respect wt

[jordan23truth]

Jsu is the truth with war & thunder

[williamisbad]

Juan Cloy you suck on snare at peeples

i can tell you that because i go there

[juanpcloy123]

dont hate jsu still got dat d*** war and dat d*** thunder to all my peeples ballers.peeples on point too.

[therawest601]

Like, pstizzle said, they ONLY look good!!!!!

[Music1592]

El Garbo!

[forest601]

JSU needs to take a drive 3 hours south to Poplarville and see how a clean college drumline plays this with better visuals. Sounds good and all but either they just sucked that day or that camera is way to damn close to them and fucking the sound up.

[debbykakz]

lil sloppy, not even tryin to hate......

[deangelo398]

Man what happe to the clean sounding War and Thunder ,this use to be my favorite section when I was in high school in the mid 90's.This isnt commendable.

[goodman042790]

man wat happened to the clean soundin war and thunder . this shit right here is .....

[juntleslie]

tenors sound terrible

[Kaoz314]

...my high school line would obliterate JSU sorry not even hating

[DreamNeonBlack]

Yeah, but there's another JSU (JacksonVILLE State University, Jacksonville, AL) that has one of the premier college drumlines in the nation.

[321706991]

good job boom

[mcc12fcc]

the worst cadence i have seen from JSU lol!!!! i thought it would get better but the time ran out on the video

[pstizzle]

bout time somebody give MVSU some type of recognition........i played snare for valley from 05 to 07...i tried to chop face to face wit them boyz and the only thing they could say was MAN THATS JUST VALLEY...Jsu use to be clean togetha but now they sound rusty..basic 40 ass niggas .i know jsu funky but dam these boyz living of the old WT.....now them boyz had funk faces........now they just want to play a drum.man a long story short...........THEY JUST LOOK GOOD

[ExcellentLife25]

Man JSU some pure D shit. They just HYPE, man all the other swac drumlines right there with them, they fallin off more and more every year, hate it or not its the truth. Big ups to the Krank, TOP coming up, oh yeh, the tenors from this college Mississippi Valley State tore in JSU ass the whole game and the quints. I was there, Jackson was scrared to play seem like it. I don't know what swac school i'm going to, alot of the swac schools coming up. JSU just hype to me!!!!!

[pstizzle]

man the old dub t was it........this shit right here.......garbage....

[coldsteel0714]

that shit DIRTY

[djq202]

What happened to all the good players??? i only see 3 good snare players. tenors aint together.

[cedfri]

sound like the bassdrum head burst

[tsmoothjsu07]

just messing wit u dawg

[tsmoothjsu07]

boy u couldnt even make the section

[only1Spyda]

they sped that up so bad. listen to his count off then the cymbals when they come in....