That last bit sums up much of English football since I started watching in 1970. Down the wing,cross,head it down to striker boot it in. Foreign teams cottoned on to that 40 years ago. So England didn't qualify for a major tournament for 10 years then managed 2 Semi Finals since then. As for Taylor. England were going through a transition. A lot of top players retired. But he picked some odd players Carlton Cole and a few others who weren't good enough at that level
so they were talking about kids on full size pitches even in 1993. Why did it take us 18 years to see the idiocy of this??? Was probably mentioned before then too!
Its the mental breakdown of a football manager,and an all round nice bloke-Being tormented,prodded,and bullied by britains most vile institution,The English Press.Awesome documentry,but at the same time i feel like im watching a kid getting bullied.
Nice guys don't get anywhere. As much as its hard to take, nasty, ruthless bastards are the only kind of people who can succeed in something like the England job.
@THthefirst - Robson was mocked and villified by the English press when England played in the 1986 World Cup - it was absolutely disgusting. The same behaviour carried on up until and during the 1990 World Cup. It was only when the press latched onto the fact that England could make it to the World Cup final in 1990 did they change their tune.
@intheTea04 Yes, I know all this, but what's your point?
You said nice guys don't get anywhere in management, but Robson is universally accepted as a gentlemen etc, and he was our second best ever manager, so either you're wrong about nice guys not making it, or you don't regard him as a nice guy.
Taylor was basically an old fashioned English club manager - 4-4-2 and long balls, with no foreign experience. Robson had continental understanding and probably better players, eg Lineker at peak
@THthefirst - My point is that a few players didn't think Robson was the 'angel' you seem to think he is. Some moaned that he didn't have the guts to tell them they hadn't made certain squads. Surely telling someone face-to-face that they've not been picked is the cornerstone of management, or dare I say decency? But yes, the overall concencus is that he was a good man, and he did come across as a good guy but this feeling isn't universal, especially those who encountered his 'other' side.
@intheTea04 "Angel"? No, that means something different. I think Robson was regarded as a nice guy/a gentlemen by the majority of people. You will always have to make hard decisions and upset people by leaving them out of teams etc, but that was his job. The fact is he was a gentleman and a decent guy and yet he still achieved huge success. So nice guys can make it.
@THthefirst - I'm sure you all ask 'which players?', and I'll try to find proof, but I clearly remember a documentary on TV a number of years ago with Kevin Keegan and a few other players bemoaning Bobby Robson's man-management skills.
@intheTea04 but Keegan and Robson famously fell out, didn't they, so Keegan obviously has an axe to grind. Keegan is also hardly well known for getting on with people - he's walked out of virtually every management job he has had, and he is very volatile. I've heard legions of players from Gasgoigne, Lineker, Beattie to Bent etc saying what a great man he was. And you don't get to manage teams around Europe without being so.
@THthefirst - absolutely. He was obviously loved by many, many people. I wasn't having a go at Sir Bobby, per se, but more about the culture of football management. Look, you can't be a manager without upsetting a few people - it comes with the territory. I think Keegan is a decent guy too, but very flaky when it comes to pressure. Also, Sir Bobby appreciated Ronaldo's talent (goofy) and brought him over from PSV to Barca so he deserves credit for that!
Managers and players are quick to bitch, whine and moan about any press criticism they receive, about how awful the press is, how terrible they are etc. They are then equally quick to take red top money to front ghost writtens pieces of absolute shite around World Cup/Euro championship time.
well, its interesting how the players around him who went on to be managers (Adams, Clough, Ince, Barnes) have yet to make it at the top flight in terms of management.
How wrong taylor was about the wrongs of the english game. Prehaps his echoed view which was a consesus has meant that we have lost a generation of english players
I think Taylor was a fairly intelligent, nice man and fortune didnt favour him. His sidekicks Neal and Macmenemy were typical FA "yes men" who held onto their coaching positions by licking arse. From a support point of view, they were about as much use as a one legged bloke doing the oakey cokey
@ajtlftsjt Mc Mememy was on the Fa Shortlist when Cloughie went for the interview in 1977 but They didn't want a person that would change the face of the FA
This could never happen now,can you imagine a camera allowed following the England manager around. I've always liked Taylor and he had a horrendous injury list to deal with. Alan Shearer was a huge loss for England.But he made some mistakes, Des Walker should have been dropped after the dutch game,Ian Wright should have been a starter up front with Ferdinand...and fucking Chris Woods should have never played for England again after Euro 92.
Gascoigne's condition was also an issue as he clearly wasn't fit enough to play v Poland and Norway. Hoddle had the guts to drop him for the same reasons-Taylor kept him hoping he could produce that moment. The game in Poland England could and should have lost by 3 or 4. V Norway the formation was bizarre but Gazza was absoluely dire as was Walker.
I agree but Gazza was our only creatively gifted player at the time. GT's other options were Barnes and Waddle but both didnt perform when given the opportunity. After that, we had the likes of Sharpe and Merson, so GT had little to work with and its clear to see why we couldnt qualify :(
Apart from a McLaren-esque blunder against Norway, I don't think Taylor did a lot wrong. He could have chosen his assistants better obviously, what a pair of clowns.
He is a nice guy - flying to meet Platt, defending Barnes from abuse. He also seems really quick to spot danger on the pitch and his players (good ones at the time like Walker and Gascoigne) drop some howlers irrespective of his tactics. But I think his methods are very old school English - long-ball, set-pieces - all need to be in a teams armoury but not the first option; his communication lacking. That said, most of the players come across as a really ignorant, stupid bunch as well.
It's largely a product of youth level football being competed on pitches far too big too soon, which encourages long ball hoofing. English football should have evolved with the times, but it clearly hasn't..
That last bit sums up much of English football since I started watching in 1970. Down the wing,cross,head it down to striker boot it in. Foreign teams cottoned on to that 40 years ago. So England didn't qualify for a major tournament for 10 years then managed 2 Semi Finals since then. As for Taylor. England were going through a transition. A lot of top players retired. But he picked some odd players Carlton Cole and a few others who weren't good enough at that level
gizzytiersen 2 weeks ago
20 years on, and we're still having the same debate as they're having from 1:40 onwards!!
GallagherWellerBrown 4 months ago
so they were talking about kids on full size pitches even in 1993. Why did it take us 18 years to see the idiocy of this??? Was probably mentioned before then too!
TeamOfThe80s 5 months ago
@TeamOfThe80s mate absolutely right, the FA is a fucking joke, one of the worst English institutions.
movarinho 3 months ago
Dave, Dave....Cameras are ere! Cameras are ere!
VirgLondon2 1 year ago
Its the mental breakdown of a football manager,and an all round nice bloke-Being tormented,prodded,and bullied by britains most vile institution,The English Press.Awesome documentry,but at the same time i feel like im watching a kid getting bullied.
MOTHIKAS 1 year ago
Neil Warnock for England Manager
paul2008uk 1 year ago
Nice guys don't get anywhere. As much as its hard to take, nasty, ruthless bastards are the only kind of people who can succeed in something like the England job.
intheTea04 1 year ago
@intheTea04 Robson?
THthefirst 1 year ago
@THthefirst - Robson was mocked and villified by the English press when England played in the 1986 World Cup - it was absolutely disgusting. The same behaviour carried on up until and during the 1990 World Cup. It was only when the press latched onto the fact that England could make it to the World Cup final in 1990 did they change their tune.
intheTea04 1 year ago
@intheTea04 Yes, I know all this, but what's your point?
You said nice guys don't get anywhere in management, but Robson is universally accepted as a gentlemen etc, and he was our second best ever manager, so either you're wrong about nice guys not making it, or you don't regard him as a nice guy.
Taylor was basically an old fashioned English club manager - 4-4-2 and long balls, with no foreign experience. Robson had continental understanding and probably better players, eg Lineker at peak
THthefirst 1 year ago
@THthefirst - My point is that a few players didn't think Robson was the 'angel' you seem to think he is. Some moaned that he didn't have the guts to tell them they hadn't made certain squads. Surely telling someone face-to-face that they've not been picked is the cornerstone of management, or dare I say decency? But yes, the overall concencus is that he was a good man, and he did come across as a good guy but this feeling isn't universal, especially those who encountered his 'other' side.
intheTea04 1 year ago
@intheTea04 "Angel"? No, that means something different. I think Robson was regarded as a nice guy/a gentlemen by the majority of people. You will always have to make hard decisions and upset people by leaving them out of teams etc, but that was his job. The fact is he was a gentleman and a decent guy and yet he still achieved huge success. So nice guys can make it.
THthefirst 1 year ago
@THthefirst - Name me another one.
intheTea04 1 year ago
@THthefirst - I'm sure you all ask 'which players?', and I'll try to find proof, but I clearly remember a documentary on TV a number of years ago with Kevin Keegan and a few other players bemoaning Bobby Robson's man-management skills.
intheTea04 1 year ago
@intheTea04 but Keegan and Robson famously fell out, didn't they, so Keegan obviously has an axe to grind. Keegan is also hardly well known for getting on with people - he's walked out of virtually every management job he has had, and he is very volatile. I've heard legions of players from Gasgoigne, Lineker, Beattie to Bent etc saying what a great man he was. And you don't get to manage teams around Europe without being so.
THthefirst 1 year ago
@THthefirst - absolutely. He was obviously loved by many, many people. I wasn't having a go at Sir Bobby, per se, but more about the culture of football management. Look, you can't be a manager without upsetting a few people - it comes with the territory. I think Keegan is a decent guy too, but very flaky when it comes to pressure. Also, Sir Bobby appreciated Ronaldo's talent (goofy) and brought him over from PSV to Barca so he deserves credit for that!
intheTea04 1 year ago
@THthefirst - He was obviously the exception to the rule!
intheTea04 1 year ago
Hey the inmates look like the England team....Funny that...
C0NTR4B455 1 year ago
Taylor is a nice bloke, and has a great managerial record........his coaching staff at England fucked him up.
BravoBoogle 1 year ago
Managers and players are quick to bitch, whine and moan about any press criticism they receive, about how awful the press is, how terrible they are etc. They are then equally quick to take red top money to front ghost writtens pieces of absolute shite around World Cup/Euro championship time.
kady7869 1 year ago
well, its interesting how the players around him who went on to be managers (Adams, Clough, Ince, Barnes) have yet to make it at the top flight in terms of management.
TheGregski 1 year ago
were this crop of english players good enought to make it to world cup 94?
goldyn12345 2 years ago
"i'm waking up with the usual pyjamas wet-through..."
comedy gold!
nutts2020 2 years ago
4:32
pukkahamer 2 years ago
How wrong taylor was about the wrongs of the english game. Prehaps his echoed view which was a consesus has meant that we have lost a generation of english players
shaneitstheway 2 years ago
I think Taylor was a fairly intelligent, nice man and fortune didnt favour him. His sidekicks Neal and Macmenemy were typical FA "yes men" who held onto their coaching positions by licking arse. From a support point of view, they were about as much use as a one legged bloke doing the oakey cokey
ajtlftsjt 3 years ago 16
@ajtlftsjt Spot on mate. Mac and Neal were his downfall.
BravoBoogle 1 year ago
@ajtlftsjt my god, somebody who understands. thank you. an englishman.
MrStu1966 1 year ago
@ajtlftsjt Mc Mememy was on the Fa Shortlist when Cloughie went for the interview in 1977 but They didn't want a person that would change the face of the FA
tnewton1988 1 year ago
watford legend
raaaaaaaaaaagh 3 years ago
Hang on, Hang on............biggest selection mistake of all time, 2 words - Carlton Palmer.
maximunds 3 years ago
This could never happen now,can you imagine a camera allowed following the England manager around. I've always liked Taylor and he had a horrendous injury list to deal with. Alan Shearer was a huge loss for England.But he made some mistakes, Des Walker should have been dropped after the dutch game,Ian Wright should have been a starter up front with Ferdinand...and fucking Chris Woods should have never played for England again after Euro 92.
vogras 3 years ago 2
Gascoigne's condition was also an issue as he clearly wasn't fit enough to play v Poland and Norway. Hoddle had the guts to drop him for the same reasons-Taylor kept him hoping he could produce that moment. The game in Poland England could and should have lost by 3 or 4. V Norway the formation was bizarre but Gazza was absoluely dire as was Walker.
SoiCowboy2 2 years ago
@SoiCowboy2
I agree but Gazza was our only creatively gifted player at the time. GT's other options were Barnes and Waddle but both didnt perform when given the opportunity. After that, we had the likes of Sharpe and Merson, so GT had little to work with and its clear to see why we couldnt qualify :(
Mikez4 1 year ago
cameras are here....
ayresio 3 years ago
Feel sorry for the man after watching this
johnkelly46 3 years ago
Apart from a McLaren-esque blunder against Norway, I don't think Taylor did a lot wrong. He could have chosen his assistants better obviously, what a pair of clowns.
borostu 3 years ago 2
He is a nice guy - flying to meet Platt, defending Barnes from abuse. He also seems really quick to spot danger on the pitch and his players (good ones at the time like Walker and Gascoigne) drop some howlers irrespective of his tactics. But I think his methods are very old school English - long-ball, set-pieces - all need to be in a teams armoury but not the first option; his communication lacking. That said, most of the players come across as a really ignorant, stupid bunch as well.
lithepanther 3 years ago 33
@lithepanther very well said
skacel1874 1 year ago
@lithepanther Long ball and set pieces is still England game, it's a product of the English character and mentality.
beatpoet2 1 week ago
@beatpoet2
It's largely a product of youth level football being competed on pitches far too big too soon, which encourages long ball hoofing. English football should have evolved with the times, but it clearly hasn't..
tristessa56079 4 days ago
Actually Graham Taylor comes across as a really nice chap...On paper it looks in retrospect like a hard qualifying group to have got out of.
C0NTR4B455 3 years ago 3