I never get tired out watching Mtoto with his turbo chargers kick in
He should have won the Arc by a canter but unfortunately the Jockey left his charge two some 500 yards to late & he got pipped at the post. I remember the trainer being highly critical of his jockey afterwards. Complete amateur was Mr Bean was riding him that day?
Diminuendo a FANTASTIC filly whom I thought they ran into the ground.Too many races in to short a time.She was out on her feet in the Leger so why come here?Shame
Isn't that rather like suggesting that Daley Thompson wasn't a truly great athlete because he only won two Olympic golds, or criticising Alain Prost becasue he only won the F1 World Championship four times or arguing that Lammtarra was average becuase he only won the Derby, the King George and the Arc?
I know I'm guilty of wearing Mtoto-coloured spectacles, but I think your implicit disparagement of Mtoto's achievements and ability for the reason you give is unfounded.
Mtoto won all his Group 1 races on courses with an uphill finish,Ascot+Sandown,perhaps this is why he doesnt get there quick enough? They werent stopping at the front? I still love his win over Shady Heights in the Eclipse.Shady Heights looked to have repelled him until the last 50yds when Mtoto came again.
I thought MTOTO was a great horse but his form with UNFUWAIN!??! Do you think the Hern camp would rate UNFUWAIN on a par with NASHWAN?? I dont think so some how.Plus UNFUWAIN was a soft/heavy going horse and this was the only time outwith the Derby(where he flopped because of the ground) and he wasnt Willie Carsons first choice either he chose MINSTER SON.Whats your opinion mate?
Tony Bin comes from well off the pace the same as Mtoto.
As i recall he had been running in Gr.1´s all season.
Without taking anything away from his Italian trainer, if this horse would have been trained in Newmarket or Ireland he would probably have been a champion with many big race victories.
Tony Bin did, indeed, run in Group 1s in 1988. Just see him being soundly beaten by Mtoto in the King George - a smaller field produced a truer result.
As in Dancing Brave's Derby, the best horse didn't quite get there. Mtoto was brilliant. His turn of foot challenged that of the great DB. Over 10 he was the best ever.
What a heartbreak.....Mtoto was robbed of an unbeaten 5YO campaign by his own brilliance. I feel Roberts thought with Mtoto's blistering turn of foot, it didn't matter where he had him turning into the straight....reminiscent of Mr Piggott and Nijinsky (except Nijinsky was given a bit more of a chance of winning by his jock!)
This was an arc field with terrific strength in depth; there are really good horses from first to last. The best horse (Mtoto)finished second, from an impossible position, but credit to Tony Bin who was a very tough and consistent performer.
Mtoto was the business. In 1987 he was the best, as he proved by beating Reference Point in the Eclipse. This was RP's best ever run in a contest that challenges Grundy and Bustino's King George for the title Race of the Century.
Can't agree with you there. Tony Bin had almost 3 lengths on Mtoto at 200m. He got "first run" on him. The race was nicely set up for hold-up horses but Mtoto lost position turning in. Fair play to Tony Bin though.
The jockey got it right on Tony Bin!! The jockey got it wrong on Mtoto !! MAC was right to a certain extent but at the crucial stage of the Arc(the false bend) Mtoto lost 2 lengths on Tony Bin.Proved costly
io...c'ero....che emozione....!!!
gattosilvestro1953 3 months ago
Tony Bin is italian horse i remeber this day ...i want cry ...
MrItaliano1900 4 months ago
I never get tired out watching Mtoto with his turbo chargers kick in
He should have won the Arc by a canter but unfortunately the Jockey left his charge two some 500 yards to late & he got pipped at the post. I remember the trainer being highly critical of his jockey afterwards. Complete amateur was Mr Bean was riding him that day?
gre812u 2 years ago
Diminuendo a FANTASTIC filly whom I thought they ran into the ground.Too many races in to short a time.She was out on her feet in the Leger so why come here?Shame
frankschlanker 2 years ago
I know MTOTO won 2 eclipse's and a King George but what else did he win?? Anyone help??
marcusallcock 2 years ago
Isn't that rather like suggesting that Daley Thompson wasn't a truly great athlete because he only won two Olympic golds, or criticising Alain Prost becasue he only won the F1 World Championship four times or arguing that Lammtarra was average becuase he only won the Derby, the King George and the Arc?
I know I'm guilty of wearing Mtoto-coloured spectacles, but I think your implicit disparagement of Mtoto's achievements and ability for the reason you give is unfounded.
21shergar 2 years ago
Mtoto won all his Group 1 races on courses with an uphill finish,Ascot+Sandown,perhaps this is why he doesnt get there quick enough? They werent stopping at the front? I still love his win over Shady Heights in the Eclipse.Shady Heights looked to have repelled him until the last 50yds when Mtoto came again.
frankschlanker 2 years ago
Could be, frank; but I think it was simply the size of the field that beat him on Arc day.
21shergar 2 years ago
I thought MTOTO was a great horse but his form with UNFUWAIN!??! Do you think the Hern camp would rate UNFUWAIN on a par with NASHWAN?? I dont think so some how.Plus UNFUWAIN was a soft/heavy going horse and this was the only time outwith the Derby(where he flopped because of the ground) and he wasnt Willie Carsons first choice either he chose MINSTER SON.Whats your opinion mate?
frankschlanker 2 years ago
Mtoto also won back to back Prince of Wales' Stakes Royal Ascot in 1987 and 1988.
MEECHIO 2 years ago
THANKYOU MEECHIO
frankschlanker 2 years ago
Just viewed it again and Mtoto still didn't make it.
21shergar 2 years ago
Darn it! Mtoto lost again when I watched this clip. I keep hoping that one day he'll get up on the line.
21shergar 3 years ago
Tony Bin comes from well off the pace the same as Mtoto.
As i recall he had been running in Gr.1´s all season.
Without taking anything away from his Italian trainer, if this horse would have been trained in Newmarket or Ireland he would probably have been a champion with many big race victories.
mediastarguest 3 years ago
Tony Bin did, indeed, run in Group 1s in 1988. Just see him being soundly beaten by Mtoto in the King George - a smaller field produced a truer result.
21shergar 3 years ago
The best horse in the race was definitely Tony Mtoto Bin. He was a great racehorse. Tony Mtoto Bin.
formula1mad 3 years ago 18
I chortle every time I read your comment F1.
21shergar 3 years ago
ムトトはこれで最強馬の1頭になり損ねたような・・・
残念。
YetisGift 3 years ago
ああっ、ムトト～；；
YetisGift 3 years ago
This Horse "TonyBin" it was buy from Luciano Gaucci(former A.C.Perugia chairman) for 5 thousand euros and re-selling for 4 millions of euros!!!
jimjemson 3 years ago
Emmson ran an absolute cracker here justifying the promise he showed as 2yo.
marcusallcock 3 years ago
As in Dancing Brave's Derby, the best horse didn't quite get there. Mtoto was brilliant. His turn of foot challenged that of the great DB. Over 10 he was the best ever.
21shergar 3 years ago
But then again wasnt MASHKOUR the unluckiest horse in that Derby??
marcusallcock 3 years ago
What a heartbreak.....Mtoto was robbed of an unbeaten 5YO campaign by his own brilliance. I feel Roberts thought with Mtoto's blistering turn of foot, it didn't matter where he had him turning into the straight....reminiscent of Mr Piggott and Nijinsky (except Nijinsky was given a bit more of a chance of winning by his jock!)
torontoderek 4 years ago
I can't bear to watch a race where the best horse doesn't win. I am gutted every time I watch this Arc.
21shergar 3 years ago
Excellent stuff, reminds me of my lost youth ... I don't think Graham Goode even *mentions* the winner until the final furlong.
RobinCarmody 4 years ago
That's quite good for him though as he normally only mentions the winner near the line!!
torontoderek 4 years ago
This was an arc field with terrific strength in depth; there are really good horses from first to last. The best horse (Mtoto)finished second, from an impossible position, but credit to Tony Bin who was a very tough and consistent performer.
tigerboy1966 4 years ago
Mtoto was the business. In 1987 he was the best, as he proved by beating Reference Point in the Eclipse. This was RP's best ever run in a contest that challenges Grundy and Bustino's King George for the title Race of the Century.
21shergar 3 years ago
Agree,what a race.
jmdm1957 3 years ago
Tony Bin was only a length in front of MTOTO the whole way round
marcusallcock 3 years ago
Can't agree with you there. Tony Bin had almost 3 lengths on Mtoto at 200m. He got "first run" on him. The race was nicely set up for hold-up horses but Mtoto lost position turning in. Fair play to Tony Bin though.
tigerboy1966 3 years ago 16
The jockey got it right on Tony Bin!! The jockey got it wrong on Mtoto !! MAC was right to a certain extent but at the crucial stage of the Arc(the false bend) Mtoto lost 2 lengths on Tony Bin.Proved costly
frankschlanker 2 years ago