Get 1000 dice, throw them on the ground, then ask yourself: What were the odds that they would land that way before you threw them?
Saying something is very improbable, therefore it can't be true, is one of the stupidest things a person can say.
If that were true it would be impossible to to roll one thousand dice. It would be impossible for leaves to fall from trees. It would be impossible for beaches & deserts to exist (sand grains) etc...
@AlwaysDisagreeing Where was this claim proven and documented so I can read who did the praying and which church. I hope this is not a statistical analysis without a study based on an actual case. Then I can actually answer your question.
@Zentz29 I have undeniable proof. Prayer makes me laugh. When people say they are praying for me I laugh at that. Therefore prayer helped me vicariously.
@Zentz29 *gives you a pack of ritz crackers that was mumbled over by the white collared pedo from down the street and some cheep cooking wine*. Your sins are now forgiven.
@Zentz29 Umm I hope you are over 18. I sure don't want to have to move Jesus to another parish again. When christians say jesus touches them, they like literally mean it.
@mistereveready Come to think of it, ever since I started feeling Jezuz inside me...My ass hurts. It's okay though! Just pray for the pain to go away! You already proved that prayer works!
@mistereveready Ya, just the other day a christian told me they would pray to god, to have mercy on my soul, and then told me i will be going to hell and suffer horribly for eternity for rejecting a belief in god, Christian logic 101.
The show is a waste of time because they want God to manifest himself before them or on the show to show he exists. Why, God never stated that he would manifest himself in his form before every individual for the purpose of belief in his existence. Does this disprove his existence, no. If they don't believe they don't believe. Its that simple. Every individual can make a choice so I hope everyone can stop saying they are going to have God manifest himself so they believe.
@jjr505 You are mistaken they do not require god to manifest himself in order to show he exists. They require evidence of ANY kind other than the 2000 year old eye witness accounts made by uneducated bronze age illiterate peasants who see god in everything cause they have no understanding of the natural world and were passed down for approx 100 years before some anonymous person finally wrote them down then edited countless times by corruptible men, also known as the bible.Thats all they need
Even in the video (7:11) the female requires a demonstration and to see the measurable manifestation of God because that would be something to her because simply getting someone to agree on believing there is a God is nothing to her so yeah that is what Atheist require. The Atheist made it very clear and undeniable of what she required and her counterpart required of God. Did you not hear the video?
@jjr505 she says she needs god to be "verified and demonstrated"... that does not mean a manifestation, just proof... you know the kind that would stand up in a court of law. Extrodinary claims requires extrodinary evidence, that is all she is saying. God manifesting himself would be one such example, but not the only one.
Again, at 7:48 the lady states I want to see the measurable manifestation because that would be something and if you don't have the measurable manifestation you have nothing. God manifesting himself would be only example. Do I have to say it again.
@jjr505 she didn't say god had to manifest himself to her, she said that the effects of him had to manifest, because otherwise you CANNOT tell if it exists. For example, wind, we cannot see it, imagine that we couldn't feel it or demonstrate it either, how would you know it exists? -answer: You wouldn't.
When she sais manifest, it could be like in the form of prayer. If you can pray a sick person to become well, that would be a manifestation, and that's testable, and can be considered evidence!
Then define effects because it was clearly stated a measurable manifestation. Yes you can feel the wind otherwise your wouldn't see objects moving in air and it can be measured in velocity or wind speed. You asking me to "imagine that we couldn't feel it", You can. Manifest by prayer is has been determined by Atheist to not be proof also according to Atheist. Don't know why.
I will state this. If you want to tell me to define undeniably something exists by measurable manifestation then prove you have dreams about something. I want to know you have a dream about you on the swings, you doing something in the dreams and prove it with measurable manifestation. You could argue there is brain activity during sleep but you can't prove you were on the swings in your dream. Measurable manifestation doesn't denote existence.
@jjr505 the swing doesn't exist, so ofcourse I can't prove it exists.. And you're actually making a minor argument from ignorance.. just because I don't know how to manifest my dreams doesn't mean it isn't possible. There are overwhelming evidence that people dream. People have nightterrors and stuff like that.. Just because I can't demonstrate exactly what I dreamt about doesn't mean anything. Dreaming about a swing is not extraordinary, so there's no reason to doubt that I dreamt about that.
"I am making a minor argument from ignorance" If you can't prove it exists then its ignorance,why? If you can't manifest your dreams to me then you can't prove it. If there is overwhelming evidence that people dream then you contradict yourself by telling me you can't prove it exists. If dreaming about a swing is not extraordinary it shouldn't be hard to prove. Why should I believe you if you can't prove it.
@jjr505 argument from ignorance is when you make a conclusion based on ignorance.. You're saying - this guy can't prove that X exists and I can't either, therefore X isn't real. Well what if person Y can prove it?
I'm not a dream expert, so I can't prove it exists, but I can provide you with evidence from people with night terrors etc.
You havn't demonstrated that there are any limits to what people can dream of, so why would you doubt me dreaming of a swing? It doesn't affect your world view...
An argument from ignorance is what the Atheist used as her only form of proof that there is or isn't a God (7:48). If your only form of proof comes from that individual then even they can't prove it to me. This was the Atheist view so then your telling me the Atheist argument derives from ignorance.
"Well what if person Y can prove it?" Your question has a hypothetical, the word IF. We will go back and forth using the word IF.
We don't claim to know god or any other supernatural thing don't exist. We simply reject the claim untill surficient evidence have been provided. This is simply the default position for ANY claim, no matter how minor it is. Then follows the princip that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And the evidence for god just don't meet our standards of proof.
Made perfect sense and I don't drink. According to your standards of rejecting a claim until sufficient evidence has been provided states dreams are false. Your second claims states extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence when there is no proof for dreams. You want proof otherwise you claim something doesn't exist. Then tell me what's the surface temperature of Jupiter and prove it otherwise according to you failure to provide proof means there is no temperature.
@jjr505 Again, there are plenty of evidence that dreams exist. But let's imagine that there wasn't. I'd still be justified in believing that dreams exist because I have dreams. However, what I can't do is demonstrate to others that dreams exist, and therefore they are NOT justified in believing in dreams from my personal experiences.. Same goes for your god, you may be justified if god has revealed himself to you, but that doesn't mean that I am justified in believing in him based on YOUR exp.
You just said you assume and now its believe. Which is it? If demonstration is not a requisite for belief why ask for proof if your going to believe what you want to believe. So proof whether through my personal experience or anyone other than your personal experience states atheism is an assumption because proof whether contradictory or otherwise will never be sufficient by any means.
@jjr505 yes I assume that god doesn't exist untill you've provided evidence to the contrary, that's the default position a rational person would take. Your personal experiences do not count as proof to me.. But there is plenty of stuff that I'd consider evidence that could convince me. For example if you can demonstrate that christians or whatever you are have a longer life-span than regular people, that'd count as evidence. so on and so forth.
@jjr505 you're just close minded. I'm telling you that there are several things that I'd consider evidence, but theists are not even TRYING to test their theory. They claim to know for absolute cirtainty, and they look down at people who don't share their beliefs, even though they can't demonstrate their claims. You can believe what ever you like, but untill you can demonstrate your claims, don't force it down peoples throats.
Sickness can be cured through prayer but atheist have stated they won't consider the thought since the body can have antibodies and could have healed itself during the time of prayer.
@jjr505 Do a prayer experiment, if you can demonstrate that prayer can cure cancer, that'd be verry satisfying evidence. Why don't you? can it possibly cause any harm? It's downright immoral that you havn't tried yet. Get together in your church and pray and then document all the success and failures. I would love if what you claim is true, but sadly I can't justify believing such nonsense.
Again you prove my point and I quote " I would love if what you claim is true, but sadly I can't justify believing such nonsense". Even if I prove it to you you wouldn't believe it so why ask for proof if irregardless you have made up your own mind without proof.
I can then go on to say Atheists have faith. Faith by definition is beliefs that are not based on proof. If you believe in things that have yet to be proven then your faith is only selective, period. You will choose certain and specific things to believe and not others.
@jjr505 I never claimed to not have faith. I have faith in alot of things. Science, love, humanity etc.
However, the fact that you're supposing that I have faith in something I believe doesn't exist, is ridiculous. Do you have "faith" that santa doesn't exist? -no it's an 'assumption' till evidence to the contrary has been provided!
Saying that atheism is faith in god doesn't exist, is like saying NOT collecting stamps is a hobby, or NOT smoking is a habit.
So now if you don't believe in something that is an assumption. So atheism is an assumption now. Assumption by definition is the act of taking for granted or supposing. Assumption does not require proof nor ask for proof. Atheism then is deciding to take for granted or suppose statements are true irregardless of proof.
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@nmryda Beside 2what i have alrdy said, It is also written by God that there will be pple who will not really believe him because they chose not to believe him because they dont really want to follow his words/teachings....if God said this words, then surely non of us can tell u either if Jesus is real or not! u believe because believe its the same as us...we believe because of our faith! Our reason is beyond your imagination but with basis....your reasons is simply ur own!
Jesus is the manifestation of God, he hv demonstrated his power on earth proving to many pple in his time that he himself as god, yet what happen pple killed him so y do u think God wud want to show himself to u atheist now since He alrdy did by sending His son to us 2000+ yrs ago! What makes u pple special now? It's is written: how will he tell u heavenly things when he tell u worldly things yet u didn't believe?
@gfred31 First of all, whether Jesus even existed or not is still up for debate. Second of all, just because it was written doesn't mean anything. Harry Potter was written; does that make HP real? Third, your argument could be equally applied to Apollo, Mohammed, David Koresh, etc. Fourth, if you wouldn't accept someone like David Koresh to be the actual son of God, why would you believe Jesus was 2000+ years ago? Did you watch him walk on water with your own eyes? No? Then why believe it?
God helped me by stopping me from doing cocain and he got me a job. Cause i didnt choose to stop sniffin it and go to rehab and get a fuckin job myself, God just took over my body when i was on coke and made me turn over a new leaf
@tnafguy you probably didn't know this but "balldee" was a fundamentalist christian and became an atheist while studying the bible to become a preacher. He de converted because he learned what was actual in the bible. Atheist and agnostics know more about the bible than Christians do and for good reason.
@tnafguy Aaaahhh right so you're the one that has the cold hard evidence that an invisible magic man exists. Would you mind presenting it to us and ending these needless debates?
@tnafguy Hahaha I really hope this is just a troll. Otherwise you are one of the most uneducated people i've come across in a while. If in fact you are a Christian, you should be trying to save our poor atheist souls. The Bible says that all those you come across and can't convert to Christianity's souls are burdened on by you. So since you are: A. Not trying to convert us to Christianity. B. Not showing "Christ's love" "balldy? BallDee? haha otherwise brilliant troll.
At best a valid and sound logical syllogism demonstrating the existence/necessity of God would only warrant belief in the existence/necessity of God. Only the addition of supporting evidence could the existence of God be demonstrated to be true.
Why do people think that faith is a good thing? when they realise how unsound the claim that a go exists is they simply say "that's why you have faith" and they feel good about themselves for it. believing something without evidence isn't a good thing, it's just being gullible.
@KevJJ888 you dont even believe it was. youre pretending you dont think that to boost your viewpoint. scientists have done research to heavily point to a beginning. im not entirely sure of the statistics because im not that interested, but i dont think there's an infinite/eternal chain of causality therefore i believe in a beginning
@HelicalColossus It's not a question of belief. It's about facts. There are, indeed, many claims for an infinite/eternal chain of causality. So, how did god come to be? Common unscientific answer: he always was without any valid proof. Ergo, why couldn't the universe? Scientific answer: we know the universe exists and can prove it. Whether and how it began will be discerned by verifiable facts. Unlike god.
@KevJJ888 "Whether and how it began will be discerned by verifiable facts. Unlike god" The universe is composed of matter and matter is unconscious, so it can be studied at will. God is a conscious being and as any conscious being He can be studied only if He allows it. That's a simple concept, don't know why atheists insist on wanting science to discover God, science will only discover God when He allows it, and when He allows it will be at the end of times. So, be careful what you wish for...
@KevJJ888 ""how did god come to be?"" Energy can't be created or destroyed, that is a scientific law. God is energy, so he has always existed by definition. In the beginning the universe was composed of energy, a gigantic collision of energy waves gave rise to the first atoms of H, Li, He, these atoms came together by gravity to form stars and after three or four generations of stars later, there were enough heavier elements of to form planets, and later life. The Genesis is a metaphor of this.
@KevJJ888 ""god is a symbol of man's fear of mortality."" Could be, but before you jump to concussions, you need to study both sides, right? So, give God a chance and pray for enlightenment, open your mind to the possibility and let's see what happen.
@dejesusluisx gave "god" decades of chances and found him/her/it not there. Prayers are not answered unless you, yourself, act. So I truly opened my mind and I'm so much happier without god--seeing the true beauty of the world. You should try this pure happiness.
@KevJJ888 ""You should try this pure happiness."" I had, I was a non-believer. I also thought believers were deluded. I thought all was a fake or autosuggestion, boy was I wrong. I thought I was happy too, with a six figure salary and social status, but that was the real delusion. I knew something was missing from my life, but I never thought that something as the love of God. God knocked and I responded, I quit everything and dedicated my life to serve God. That is really true happiness.
@dejesusluisx Servitude is slavery. Try opening your mind and heart to something beside blind closed-minded faith. There is no god but what we make. We are god. You are too disrespectful for this exchange to continue.
@KevJJ888 ""Servitude is slavery"" only if it's unwilling.
""Try opening your mind and heart to something beside blind closed-minded faith. There is no god but what we make. We are god."" And you say I'm disrespectful? Is this a joke? What could be more disrespectful than this rubbish you just posted?
@dejesusluisx Saying "we are god" is not disrespectful. We control our lives here and now. Not some unembodied unprovable energy. Humans make gods to fit their needs. You seem unable to open your mind and heart to the FACT that someone (me, for instance) could be as happy or happier without a god. That's all.
@KevJJ888 ""You seem unable to open your mind and heart to the FACT that someone (me, for instance) could be as happy or happier without a god."" How can you measure happiness?, it's a relative term. The only way is to experience it yourself. You will never know if one change in your life would make you happier or not if you don't take that step. I had all the ingredients for a happy life: nice job, properties, recognition; now I don't have much money but I'm happier than I could ever imagine.
@KevJJ888 ""Why couldn't the universe always have been?"" Twenty yrs ago you had a valid question, today most physicists agree the universe had a beginning. Watch the BBC documentary: "What happened before the Big Bang" and you'll see. The universe most likely started as the collision of waves. The Bible say that the spirit of God (energy) moved through the waters ( energy waves) and God ordered the light to appear (voice=waves). Even the Menorah depicts a half wave. God is light (energy).
Please argue with my pastor or lecrae, listen to the theory of lecrae, saying there aint no GOD is like saying their is no gravity. GOD is that big. I can experience GOD because he has made us out of dirt, he forged we in my mothers womb, those who dont believe, dont believe. i can sit here all night and try and change your opinion, GUESS WHAT THE BIBLE IS PHYSICAL I SEE IT period if you can move the bible it is physically there like you just said you moved your arm, gravity pulled it down
There's smart religious people out there that keep their views and beliefs to themselves and know that faith is the only true thing they have.
They don't go calling atheist radio-station's or whatever just to try and sound smart and get their asses wooped in the process, if they don't do that themselves because that's where the problem starts, then when they get backed in a corner they twist semantics or say things like "our minds are limited" when the answer is crystal clear !
I understand the broad atheist viewpoint. I value the insight and debate. "The God Delusion" was a great read and I was happy to see others who shared much of my thoughts. Yet, my inner mind, higher consciousness..whatever, objected flat out. Miserable time. Ego loved it, sure. Logical and clean. But, well...can"t explain it rationally, but my "SOUL" needs to "feel" connected to the Soul Source. Yes, could be purely biological, evolved in the human mind. Yet that is the beauty. Mystery, bitches.
You can only know "God" when you know self - so state the enlightened. No one can provide the evidence of "God"! Just as you cannot provide evidence of "Matt". We rely on senses for evidence, observation processed by mind. Without senses you have no evidence. What sense are you using that provides self awareness? You only exist when mind senses you and can be explained away regardless of what local matter or force you believe you exert. Universe is God(dess) in that it is essence of All.
Matt offered up the fact that the atoms that make up his body and brain are not the same atoms at birth. Truth! Yet Matt is still Matt and continues to be Matt until death. Provide the evidence of Matt! Only through our senses does universe exist. Matt is a collection of experiences that resides in mind. But that mind does not rely on specific atoms, only the essence of form that makes Matt human. Call it soul, spirit, essence, quale, fact remains that interpersonal comparison is impossible.
One cannot offer evidence of one's own identity any more than one can offer evidence of a god. These are both products of the mind, existing as essence or "soul". Read up on the Mind-body debate. "God" or Nature or whatever you wish to label existence is the essence of this universe. You may wish to perceive your reality as matter experienced by matter. I perceive the universe as interconnected energy, governed by law, experienced by the living for my "soul's" purpose.
The God debate has become (for me) more of a look at reason and people rather than a debate over God's existance. I find the previous much more interesting than the latter.
The evidence for God's existence is our own existence. A self programing brain is a supernatural trait (not found in nature). How can you explain that manifestation of God since it is not found anywhere in the natural world?
@Carbide195 "We are part of nature" so is God, it all depends on the point of view. ""how do other animals learn behaviours without a 'self-programming' brain?" They don't reprogram. Imagine a chess program that not only can learn from its mistakes but can also re-program itself (without the programmers intervention) and play any game and even create new games no one knows; that's what a self programing brain is. God didn't created us to His physical image he created us to his conscious image.
@dejesusluisx No, we are part of nature as we are animals, meaning that this self-programming brain is also part of nature. And besides other animals do 'reprogram', say a dog is brought up as a pup with friendly people, it will be friendly to people as an adult. Now put that dog in an abusive home for a year and i guarantee it will have changed it's behaviour around people drastically.
@Carbide195 ""self-programming brain is also part of nature"" as I said depends. No other animal shows that trait. Animals respond only to stimulus, their responses are conditioned. They act based on instincts and they can't override them. We are the only species that can decide to override the hunger stimulus and die in a hunger strike or override our fighting instincts and decide to put the other cheek when attacked. Animals learn and so do we, but re-programing has nothing to do with learning
@KevJJ888 ""We created god in OUR image."" God created our consciousness to his image. In our initial ignorance and as part of our desire to understand God, we created hundreds of Gods to our image, is just now that we have enough knowledge to start to understand God's true nature.
@KevJJ888 "Thank you for proving my point." I guess there must be more to you point, since it is childish to think the creator of the universe could be a man like you and me. God can only be a powerful energy source as none known to science, with the difference He is conscious energy. The experiences I and many others have lived can't be described by coincidence, chance or autosuggestion. I am certain God exists, myself and many others have received proof and you could too if you open your mind.
@dejesusluisx I've opened my mind and accepted that the idea of god makes no sense and I'm so much happier for it. If you and others have supposedly "experienced" god, I'm happy for you. Sincerely. You should open your mind and realize, though, that people can be just as happy without your alleged "reality."
@KevJJ888 ""the idea of god makes no sense"" It makes perfect sense. Please tell me what you feel doesn't make sense about God. The evidence God exists is human existence. A self programing computer is the ultimate design of any programmer, the most important trait that can be designed, and that is what the human brain is, a self programming biological machine. I we aren't an accident of evolution, it makes no sense, the odds of life make no sense as the origin of the universe out of nothing.
@KevJJ888 "The odds, however, of a god are impossible."" Have you calculated them? How? On the other hand the odds of the simplest form of life coming to be out of random molecules had been calculated as is arround 1 X 10 77,000, which is an absurdly low probability for that to happen.
""Evolution is not an accident. Study it."" I had, I have a graduate degree in Biology, and evolution is real, there is no conflict between evolution and faith. In fact evolution is Gods way to create diversity
@dejesusluisx Your statements are contradictory. Molecules exist, we exist. Ergo, we happened. However, the probability of [insert spurious, "spiritual," unprovable definition of god] is incalculable because there is NO verifiable proof. Ergo...an imaginary god. You cannot make the quantum leap in logic that since we exist there was a god without some REAL evidence. You can't keep saying "you have to open your mind." That is not proof. That is insulting. The implication is I have not. I have.
@KevJJ888 ""is incalculable because there is NO verifiable proof."" conceptually, there is no need of proof to calculate the odds of an event, in fact it is the calculation of odds of events that haven't occurred or are uncertain where this tool finds it's usefulness. Calculating the odds of God existing don't make much sense because if you believe, it won't matter to you how low the odds are and if you don't believe in God you would not convert even if the odds are 50/50. That's why it's faith.
@KevJJ888 ""You cannot make the quantum leap in logic that since we exist there was a god without some REAL evidence"" Is not our mere existence as biological organisms, is the existence of a self programming brain what is evidence. There is no other organism on earth with that capability. A self programming brain is not a random feature, is the end of a process, a final, top of the line feature. There is no way to improve on this feature, this is a fact and that's evidence of design.
I always love the fact that so many theists avoid the question: describe your god. They can't, because every definition -- save for "unknowable, unseeable, indescribable..." ad nauseum -- is refutable and ridiculous.
@KevJJ888 Try to refute this definition of God: is a source of energy that started the creation of the universe, directs the progression of life towards complexity, defines our consciousness and supports all conscious energy transformations.
It doesn't matter how we define God, what is important is if we believe in Him and live His message.
@dejesusluisx What is this energy? Where is it from? You offer no proof. Just call it nature. “He” doesn’t define MY consciousness; I do. As for "believe in Him and live His message.” Which god? Christian? Muslim? Norse? Which message? The Bible’s hating “father and mother, wife and children--yes, your own life.” Submissive wives or killing children? Or the violent and hateful messages in all religions’ books. No fake god or man-written controlling books for me, thanks.
@KevJJ888 ""You offer no proof. Just call it nature."" I can't prove you God exists, no one can, only God. But you have to let Him prove it to you. Is your free will to believe. How can you prove me that there is life in a drop of water if I don't want to see under a microscope.
@KevJJ888 ""Which god? Christian? Muslim? Norse?"" There is only one God, with 1,000 names. ""Which message?"" The message that we should love God above all things and our proximus as ourselves. No book controls me, the control comes from my desire to reject all animal selfish instincts which are part of our nature. Once you understand, you would no longer think is a fake.
@dejesusluisx Gods by any name are all fake without facts to back ‘em up. Love god above all things? God should be spelled e-g-o. I embrace self-fulfilling animal instincts BECAUSE they are natural. I understand and prefer happy reality, thanks.
@KevJJ888 "God should be spelled e-g-o" Loving God above all things isn't for God's benefit but for our own. Loving God means being true to His message, not hypocritically kneeling in worship. People confuse love with worship and that's not the message God wants us to live. The only purpose to follow His message is for us to move away from selfish animal instincts which are the opposite of being human, which constitutes the purpose of our creation. If you don't understand you won't believe.
@dejesusluisx Again, nothing wrong with many animal instincts with are naturally part of us. WE make our own purpose, not a god for whom there is no proof he exists or created us…or anything. I understand the idea of god, and reject it as improbable, fallacious, and foolish. I do believe…in love, in people, in reality. Without a god telling me how he “wants us to live.” No need for god. I am much happier.
@KevJJ888 ""nothing wrong with many animal instincts with are naturally part of us."" Nothing wrong with survival instincts, since they keep us alive; but a conscious animal would take that instinctive behavior to self annihilation. That is why all what God wants from us is to reject the selfish animal instincts. Think about all behaviors we call evil and you will notice they are rooted on instinctive behavior. What we call good are just the opposite, a conscious rejection of those instincts.
@KevJJ888 ""I do believe…in love,"" Then you believe in God because God is love, you just have to understand the true meaning of the concept of God; once you do, your will notice all loose pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly and in harmony.
@dejesusluisx Deja vu: I don’t need god to believe in love or nature. That’s what’s so great about atheism. Once you understand its (and science's) harmony, you can see how wonderfully the pieces of nature, love, and life fit without a god. Once you understand that you don't need a god, you can release the make-believe, man-made, egotistical fantasy of gods. Once you understand atheism's obvious reality, you can see the pure, unfiltered beauty of it all, baby.
@KevJJ888 ""I don’t need god to believe in love or nature."" Of course not, you don't have to believe what you see, is there; you only have to believe or have faith in what you don't see, what is not obvious. God is not a fantasy, just because you haven't had an encounter with the divine, doesn't mean it doesn't exists in reality. If you don't want to get out of your house you'll never know if you have neighbors. God is real, 100% guaranteed, no doubt and knowing Him is the greatest feeling.
@dejesusluisx Again, I don't need faith in nature or love because it's really there. It is the greatest, purest feeling--without a god. Why bother when there's so much real love? You should open your mind to experiencing it.
@KevJJ888 ""It is the greatest, purest feeling--without a god."" It is a great feeling, only because God is in it, and is also in you, you just haven't realize it yet. Once you realize it, once you KNOW, a whole new door opens. Not all Christians had experienced this, in fact most people that go to church haven't, they belong to organized religion for many reasons: tradition, pressure, company, fear. I felt wrong every time I went to church as a non-believer, I felt hypocritical, but not anymore
@dejesusluisx Sorry, you have become too disrespectful and this exchange is ended. It's sad that you can't see beyond your closed-minded blind faith to realize someone can be completely happy without a god or a belief in god.
@KevJJ888 ""you have become too disrespectful"" really? when was that? If you ever have an exchange like this in the future, you'll know I'm the most respectful person you'll meet on line.
@dejesusluisx "It is a great feeling, only because God is in it, and is also in you, you just haven't realize it yet. Once you realize it, once you KNOW, a whole new door opens." You can't see the disrespect here? I can see how you can be happy with a god, what comfort this idea may give you, although I do not see how a god can exist. However, I will not presume to say you are not happier that I am because of it. That is egotistical...like a god who requires that you love him.
@KevJJ888 ""I will not presume to say you are not happier that I am because of it. That is egotistical..."" I can't compare your happiness to mine, that would be silly, I could only compare how happy I thought I was as a non-believer vs how happy I feel now as a believer. Based on that I can only suggest you could be happier if you believe. Those are the facts I have experienced, and I don't see any disrespect in stating so.
I wanted to hear his proof of the Oranges of the Universe... damn you, Matt and your reasonable discretion.
Did Cesar actually say: "Atheism of the gaps"? Is he really suggesting that when seeing a mystery that is yet to be explained, it's wrong or hasty to NOT drop to your knees immediately and worship whatever you imagine could have created (but never explained) the mystery? That's retarded.
You should make a Cesar/Caesar playlist -- he crops up every so often on the show, always parroting some apologist BS, and comically fails at defending the flawed premises of it.
Why the "unmovable mover" does not need to exist at the start of the universe ? Well let me answer my own question : We apply the logic of our universe, to our own universe. So we get stuck. We look at something and we know it must have been caused to exist by something else. But that is because of the laws of physics that we developed such a logic. Before our universe, the laws of physics did not exist Duh, so of course anything could have happened. It's Outside our system, and we are stuck in.
I think the problem with these people is not that the callers lack evidence but the hosts are not open minded. They've already made up there minds about what they believe so no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. The callers and the Hosts are wasting their time. You can never argue with someone with a closed mind.
@RzzRBladez i think thats a mistranslation, it was originally intended to be four quadrants not four corners. Aran Ra mentioned this on a 'thinking atheist' podcast.
@t1mel1ne This ofcourse begs a number of questions, I mean 2, or even more than 2 millenia of misspelling, mistranslations, malconduct, desinterest, or any other reason of changing the words, changing the meaning, may have left only a remnant of what was an idea in the past, in that time meaningfull, but at present quite meaningless. Ofcourse it also may be pointed out that the circumference of the Earth was already calculated by the Ptolemean Greek Eratosthenes by 200 BCE.
@BANGBANGBANGBBANG Cheap shots are not good arguments. The caller had no evidence or coherent logic to support his claim. His nasal voice had nothing to do with the failure of his claims.
Imagine rolling a die with a zillion sides. When you roll the die, no matter what number comes up, the odds of that number are one in a zillion. So, as soon as you roll it you can say: "Look, this die always rolls a miracle!"
What caused existence? Whatever it was, apparently it didn't exist. Nonexistence would seem to hamper actions such as "causing" and "creating" existence.
I fail to see how high odds means "impossible". Even if something is a million to one, it is still possible.
Symos 1 month ago 6
Gravity is mass and you can see mass therefore it is not immaterial.
LogicalStatements1 3 months ago
Get 1000 dice, throw them on the ground, then ask yourself: What were the odds that they would land that way before you threw them?
Saying something is very improbable, therefore it can't be true, is one of the stupidest things a person can say.
If that were true it would be impossible to to roll one thousand dice. It would be impossible for leaves to fall from trees. It would be impossible for beaches & deserts to exist (sand grains) etc...
Zentz29 4 months ago
@AlwaysDisagreeing Where was this claim proven and documented so I can read who did the praying and which church. I hope this is not a statistical analysis without a study based on an actual case. Then I can actually answer your question.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 What is your proof that prayer helps sick people? Don't say "Even if I prove it to you you wouldn't believe". Actually present your proof.
Zentz29 4 months ago
@Zentz29 I have undeniable proof. Prayer makes me laugh. When people say they are praying for me I laugh at that. Therefore prayer helped me vicariously.
mistereveready 4 months ago
@mistereveready LOLZ
I stand corrected & accept Jezuz as my savior!
Gawd derp-a-derp derp JEEEZUZ!!!!!
Zentz29 4 months ago
@Zentz29 *gives you a pack of ritz crackers that was mumbled over by the white collared pedo from down the street and some cheep cooking wine*. Your sins are now forgiven.
mistereveready 4 months ago
@mistereveready Oh, thank ya mista preacha man!
I already feel Jezuz inside me!
Zentz29 4 months ago
@Zentz29 Umm I hope you are over 18. I sure don't want to have to move Jesus to another parish again. When christians say jesus touches them, they like literally mean it.
mistereveready 4 months ago
@mistereveready Come to think of it, ever since I started feeling Jezuz inside me...My ass hurts. It's okay though! Just pray for the pain to go away! You already proved that prayer works!
YAY JEZUZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zentz29 4 months ago 4
@Zentz29 I wonder how many christians are praying for us when they read all this lol.
mistereveready 4 months ago 2
@mistereveready Ya, just the other day a christian told me they would pray to god, to have mercy on my soul, and then told me i will be going to hell and suffer horribly for eternity for rejecting a belief in god, Christian logic 101.
1991stratplus 2 days ago
Could this be the guy who does the voice for Charlie Brown's teacher?
gspendlove 5 months ago
The show is a waste of time because they want God to manifest himself before them or on the show to show he exists. Why, God never stated that he would manifest himself in his form before every individual for the purpose of belief in his existence. Does this disprove his existence, no. If they don't believe they don't believe. Its that simple. Every individual can make a choice so I hope everyone can stop saying they are going to have God manifest himself so they believe.
jjr505 5 months ago
@jjr505 You are mistaken they do not require god to manifest himself in order to show he exists. They require evidence of ANY kind other than the 2000 year old eye witness accounts made by uneducated bronze age illiterate peasants who see god in everything cause they have no understanding of the natural world and were passed down for approx 100 years before some anonymous person finally wrote them down then edited countless times by corruptible men, also known as the bible.Thats all they need
blahblahreadabook 5 months ago
@blahblahreadabook
Even in the video (7:11) the female requires a demonstration and to see the measurable manifestation of God because that would be something to her because simply getting someone to agree on believing there is a God is nothing to her so yeah that is what Atheist require. The Atheist made it very clear and undeniable of what she required and her counterpart required of God. Did you not hear the video?
jjr505 5 months ago
@jjr505 she says she needs god to be "verified and demonstrated"... that does not mean a manifestation, just proof... you know the kind that would stand up in a court of law. Extrodinary claims requires extrodinary evidence, that is all she is saying. God manifesting himself would be one such example, but not the only one.
blahblahreadabook 4 months ago
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Again, at 7:48 the lady states I want to see the measurable manifestation because that would be something and if you don't have the measurable manifestation you have nothing. God manifesting himself would be only example. Do I have to say it again.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 she didn't say god had to manifest himself to her, she said that the effects of him had to manifest, because otherwise you CANNOT tell if it exists. For example, wind, we cannot see it, imagine that we couldn't feel it or demonstrate it either, how would you know it exists? -answer: You wouldn't.
When she sais manifest, it could be like in the form of prayer. If you can pray a sick person to become well, that would be a manifestation, and that's testable, and can be considered evidence!
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
Then define effects because it was clearly stated a measurable manifestation. Yes you can feel the wind otherwise your wouldn't see objects moving in air and it can be measured in velocity or wind speed. You asking me to "imagine that we couldn't feel it", You can. Manifest by prayer is has been determined by Atheist to not be proof also according to Atheist. Don't know why.
jjr505 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
I will state this. If you want to tell me to define undeniably something exists by measurable manifestation then prove you have dreams about something. I want to know you have a dream about you on the swings, you doing something in the dreams and prove it with measurable manifestation. You could argue there is brain activity during sleep but you can't prove you were on the swings in your dream. Measurable manifestation doesn't denote existence.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 the swing doesn't exist, so ofcourse I can't prove it exists.. And you're actually making a minor argument from ignorance.. just because I don't know how to manifest my dreams doesn't mean it isn't possible. There are overwhelming evidence that people dream. People have nightterrors and stuff like that.. Just because I can't demonstrate exactly what I dreamt about doesn't mean anything. Dreaming about a swing is not extraordinary, so there's no reason to doubt that I dreamt about that.
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
"I am making a minor argument from ignorance" If you can't prove it exists then its ignorance,why? If you can't manifest your dreams to me then you can't prove it. If there is overwhelming evidence that people dream then you contradict yourself by telling me you can't prove it exists. If dreaming about a swing is not extraordinary it shouldn't be hard to prove. Why should I believe you if you can't prove it.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 argument from ignorance is when you make a conclusion based on ignorance.. You're saying - this guy can't prove that X exists and I can't either, therefore X isn't real. Well what if person Y can prove it?
I'm not a dream expert, so I can't prove it exists, but I can provide you with evidence from people with night terrors etc.
You havn't demonstrated that there are any limits to what people can dream of, so why would you doubt me dreaming of a swing? It doesn't affect your world view...
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
An argument from ignorance is what the Atheist used as her only form of proof that there is or isn't a God (7:48). If your only form of proof comes from that individual then even they can't prove it to me. This was the Atheist view so then your telling me the Atheist argument derives from ignorance.
"Well what if person Y can prove it?" Your question has a hypothetical, the word IF. We will go back and forth using the word IF.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 that made no sense.. are you drunk?
But here is the atheist position made simple:
We don't claim to know god or any other supernatural thing don't exist. We simply reject the claim untill surficient evidence have been provided. This is simply the default position for ANY claim, no matter how minor it is. Then follows the princip that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And the evidence for god just don't meet our standards of proof.
end of story.
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
Made perfect sense and I don't drink. According to your standards of rejecting a claim until sufficient evidence has been provided states dreams are false. Your second claims states extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence when there is no proof for dreams. You want proof otherwise you claim something doesn't exist. Then tell me what's the surface temperature of Jupiter and prove it otherwise according to you failure to provide proof means there is no temperature.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 Again, there are plenty of evidence that dreams exist. But let's imagine that there wasn't. I'd still be justified in believing that dreams exist because I have dreams. However, what I can't do is demonstrate to others that dreams exist, and therefore they are NOT justified in believing in dreams from my personal experiences.. Same goes for your god, you may be justified if god has revealed himself to you, but that doesn't mean that I am justified in believing in him based on YOUR exp.
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
You just said you assume and now its believe. Which is it? If demonstration is not a requisite for belief why ask for proof if your going to believe what you want to believe. So proof whether through my personal experience or anyone other than your personal experience states atheism is an assumption because proof whether contradictory or otherwise will never be sufficient by any means.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 yes I assume that god doesn't exist untill you've provided evidence to the contrary, that's the default position a rational person would take. Your personal experiences do not count as proof to me.. But there is plenty of stuff that I'd consider evidence that could convince me. For example if you can demonstrate that christians or whatever you are have a longer life-span than regular people, that'd count as evidence. so on and so forth.
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
If you assume you have taking for granted your right and demonstration, proof or any evidence will never be enough for you.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 you're just close minded. I'm telling you that there are several things that I'd consider evidence, but theists are not even TRYING to test their theory. They claim to know for absolute cirtainty, and they look down at people who don't share their beliefs, even though they can't demonstrate their claims. You can believe what ever you like, but untill you can demonstrate your claims, don't force it down peoples throats.
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
Sickness can be cured through prayer but atheist have stated they won't consider the thought since the body can have antibodies and could have healed itself during the time of prayer.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 Do a prayer experiment, if you can demonstrate that prayer can cure cancer, that'd be verry satisfying evidence. Why don't you? can it possibly cause any harm? It's downright immoral that you havn't tried yet. Get together in your church and pray and then document all the success and failures. I would love if what you claim is true, but sadly I can't justify believing such nonsense.
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
Again you prove my point and I quote " I would love if what you claim is true, but sadly I can't justify believing such nonsense". Even if I prove it to you you wouldn't believe it so why ask for proof if irregardless you have made up your own mind without proof.
jjr505 4 months ago
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@jjr505 don't pretend that you have actually presented any...
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
I can then go on to say Atheists have faith. Faith by definition is beliefs that are not based on proof. If you believe in things that have yet to be proven then your faith is only selective, period. You will choose certain and specific things to believe and not others.
jjr505 4 months ago
@jjr505 I never claimed to not have faith. I have faith in alot of things. Science, love, humanity etc.
However, the fact that you're supposing that I have faith in something I believe doesn't exist, is ridiculous. Do you have "faith" that santa doesn't exist? -no it's an 'assumption' till evidence to the contrary has been provided!
Saying that atheism is faith in god doesn't exist, is like saying NOT collecting stamps is a hobby, or NOT smoking is a habit.
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
So now if you don't believe in something that is an assumption. So atheism is an assumption now. Assumption by definition is the act of taking for granted or supposing. Assumption does not require proof nor ask for proof. Atheism then is deciding to take for granted or suppose statements are true irregardless of proof.
jjr505 4 months ago
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
The callers voice is very annoying. It wouldn't bother me so much if he actually had something intelligent to say.
justjulie37 5 months ago
Talking about cards and odds. I held up a random card and my mate guessed the card correctly, twice in a row. What are the odds for that?!
biggingeryeti 5 months ago
@biggingeryeti I believe 1 / 2,704
00D00 5 months ago
that guy on the phone sounded like a retard lol
fourlokoJoker 6 months ago
@gfred31 your circular reasoning is astounding.
ftw522 6 months ago
Tracie's right: logical apologetics are a waste of time. Take Kalam, for example:
"Blah, blah, blah, therefore there is a first cause."
"OK - you haven't proven that it's a thinking being who did it on purpose and continues to interact with the universe."
"Scripture X takes care of that gap."
a) No it fucking doesn't - not until it's verified;
b) If it WERE verified, you'd have proven the god you were after in the first place.
In either case, the predecing logical waffle is pointless.
JMUDoc 6 months ago
@nmryda Beside 2what i have alrdy said, It is also written by God that there will be pple who will not really believe him because they chose not to believe him because they dont really want to follow his words/teachings....if God said this words, then surely non of us can tell u either if Jesus is real or not! u believe because believe its the same as us...we believe because of our faith! Our reason is beyond your imagination but with basis....your reasons is simply ur own!
gfred31 6 months ago
The lyrics to the opening theme should be:
"Matthew forgive me.......my name is Cesar.......I'm a philosophical moron......"
coolal19 6 months ago
Religious people have a problem with their own existence it seems. "I CANT POSSIBLY EXIST UNLESS I AM A SIM DAMMIT"
wrongfire 7 months ago
Jesus is the manifestation of God, he hv demonstrated his power on earth proving to many pple in his time that he himself as god, yet what happen pple killed him so y do u think God wud want to show himself to u atheist now since He alrdy did by sending His son to us 2000+ yrs ago! What makes u pple special now? It's is written: how will he tell u heavenly things when he tell u worldly things yet u didn't believe?
gfred31 7 months ago
@gfred31 Have fun with your indoctrination :)
Bunji2k6 7 months ago
@gfred31 First of all, whether Jesus even existed or not is still up for debate. Second of all, just because it was written doesn't mean anything. Harry Potter was written; does that make HP real? Third, your argument could be equally applied to Apollo, Mohammed, David Koresh, etc. Fourth, if you wouldn't accept someone like David Koresh to be the actual son of God, why would you believe Jesus was 2000+ years ago? Did you watch him walk on water with your own eyes? No? Then why believe it?
nmryda 6 months ago
God helped me by stopping me from doing cocain and he got me a job. Cause i didnt choose to stop sniffin it and go to rehab and get a fuckin job myself, God just took over my body when i was on coke and made me turn over a new leaf
24buttcheeks 7 months ago
@24buttcheeks Yeah right. :D Why can't you take credit for your own recovery?
atheistram 7 months ago
Oh god, what a monotonal fuck wit.
gazthefunky39 7 months ago
Great work Tracie and Matt...★★★★★
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 7 months ago
Why must there always be fools who press the red dislike button?
aboyborninjune 7 months ago
@aboyborninjune The Bible told them to.
L3G0BR1CK5T3R 7 months ago
@tnafguy you probably didn't know this but "balldee" was a fundamentalist christian and became an atheist while studying the bible to become a preacher. He de converted because he learned what was actual in the bible. Atheist and agnostics know more about the bible than Christians do and for good reason.
zooryanzoo123 8 months ago
@tnafguy Aaaahhh right so you're the one that has the cold hard evidence that an invisible magic man exists. Would you mind presenting it to us and ending these needless debates?
pancake1567 8 months ago
Gravity wins eveyrtime
jmm1233 8 months ago
@tnafguy Hahaha I really hope this is just a troll. Otherwise you are one of the most uneducated people i've come across in a while. If in fact you are a Christian, you should be trying to save our poor atheist souls. The Bible says that all those you come across and can't convert to Christianity's souls are burdened on by you. So since you are: A. Not trying to convert us to Christianity. B. Not showing "Christ's love" "balldy? BallDee? haha otherwise brilliant troll.
Bridgerlavigne 8 months ago
At best a valid and sound logical syllogism demonstrating the existence/necessity of God would only warrant belief in the existence/necessity of God. Only the addition of supporting evidence could the existence of God be demonstrated to be true.
Kailoa36 8 months ago
Why do people think that faith is a good thing? when they realise how unsound the claim that a go exists is they simply say "that's why you have faith" and they feel good about themselves for it. believing something without evidence isn't a good thing, it's just being gullible.
rememberthename33 8 months ago
if theyre so bold on their beliefs and are so sure theres no evidence for god, why do they waste their lives talking about it and arguing about it?
HelicalColossus 9 months ago
all these guys do is deny God...did they mention at all how they think the universe came to be?
HelicalColossus 9 months ago
@HelicalColossus Why couldn't the universe always have been?
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 you dont even believe it was. youre pretending you dont think that to boost your viewpoint. scientists have done research to heavily point to a beginning. im not entirely sure of the statistics because im not that interested, but i dont think there's an infinite/eternal chain of causality therefore i believe in a beginning
HelicalColossus 8 months ago
@HelicalColossus It's not a question of belief. It's about facts. There are, indeed, many claims for an infinite/eternal chain of causality. So, how did god come to be? Common unscientific answer: he always was without any valid proof. Ergo, why couldn't the universe? Scientific answer: we know the universe exists and can prove it. Whether and how it began will be discerned by verifiable facts. Unlike god.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 "Whether and how it began will be discerned by verifiable facts. Unlike god" The universe is composed of matter and matter is unconscious, so it can be studied at will. God is a conscious being and as any conscious being He can be studied only if He allows it. That's a simple concept, don't know why atheists insist on wanting science to discover God, science will only discover God when He allows it, and when He allows it will be at the end of times. So, be careful what you wish for...
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""how did god come to be?"" Energy can't be created or destroyed, that is a scientific law. God is energy, so he has always existed by definition. In the beginning the universe was composed of energy, a gigantic collision of energy waves gave rise to the first atoms of H, Li, He, these atoms came together by gravity to form stars and after three or four generations of stars later, there were enough heavier elements of to form planets, and later life. The Genesis is a metaphor of this.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Genesis is a metaphor. Love it! And god is a symbol of man's fear of mortality. Open your mind and see how obvious this is.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""god is a symbol of man's fear of mortality."" Could be, but before you jump to concussions, you need to study both sides, right? So, give God a chance and pray for enlightenment, open your mind to the possibility and let's see what happen.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx gave "god" decades of chances and found him/her/it not there. Prayers are not answered unless you, yourself, act. So I truly opened my mind and I'm so much happier without god--seeing the true beauty of the world. You should try this pure happiness.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""You should try this pure happiness."" I had, I was a non-believer. I also thought believers were deluded. I thought all was a fake or autosuggestion, boy was I wrong. I thought I was happy too, with a six figure salary and social status, but that was the real delusion. I knew something was missing from my life, but I never thought that something as the love of God. God knocked and I responded, I quit everything and dedicated my life to serve God. That is really true happiness.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Servitude is slavery. Try opening your mind and heart to something beside blind closed-minded faith. There is no god but what we make. We are god. You are too disrespectful for this exchange to continue.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
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@KevJJ888 ""Servitude is slavery"" only if it's unwilling.
""Try opening your mind and heart to something beside blind closed-minded faith. There is no god but what we make. We are god."" And you say I'm disrespectful? Is this a joke? What could be more disrespectful than this rubbish you just posted?
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Saying "we are god" is not disrespectful. We control our lives here and now. Not some unembodied unprovable energy. Humans make gods to fit their needs. You seem unable to open your mind and heart to the FACT that someone (me, for instance) could be as happy or happier without a god. That's all.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""You seem unable to open your mind and heart to the FACT that someone (me, for instance) could be as happy or happier without a god."" How can you measure happiness?, it's a relative term. The only way is to experience it yourself. You will never know if one change in your life would make you happier or not if you don't take that step. I had all the ingredients for a happy life: nice job, properties, recognition; now I don't have much money but I'm happier than I could ever imagine.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""Why couldn't the universe always have been?"" Twenty yrs ago you had a valid question, today most physicists agree the universe had a beginning. Watch the BBC documentary: "What happened before the Big Bang" and you'll see. The universe most likely started as the collision of waves. The Bible say that the spirit of God (energy) moved through the waters ( energy waves) and God ordered the light to appear (voice=waves). Even the Menorah depicts a half wave. God is light (energy).
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx This reply is a joke, right?
KevJJ888 8 months ago
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@KevJJ888 ""This reply is a joke, right?"" Just watch the documentary first and we can talk later...
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
Please argue with my pastor or lecrae, listen to the theory of lecrae, saying there aint no GOD is like saying their is no gravity. GOD is that big. I can experience GOD because he has made us out of dirt, he forged we in my mothers womb, those who dont believe, dont believe. i can sit here all night and try and change your opinion, GUESS WHAT THE BIBLE IS PHYSICAL I SEE IT period if you can move the bible it is physically there like you just said you moved your arm, gravity pulled it down
idrum4jesus767 9 months ago
There's smart religious people out there that keep their views and beliefs to themselves and know that faith is the only true thing they have.
They don't go calling atheist radio-station's or whatever just to try and sound smart and get their asses wooped in the process, if they don't do that themselves because that's where the problem starts, then when they get backed in a corner they twist semantics or say things like "our minds are limited" when the answer is crystal clear !
GodOnStrike 9 months ago
I understand the broad atheist viewpoint. I value the insight and debate. "The God Delusion" was a great read and I was happy to see others who shared much of my thoughts. Yet, my inner mind, higher consciousness..whatever, objected flat out. Miserable time. Ego loved it, sure. Logical and clean. But, well...can"t explain it rationally, but my "SOUL" needs to "feel" connected to the Soul Source. Yes, could be purely biological, evolved in the human mind. Yet that is the beauty. Mystery, bitches.
CelticValdyr 9 months ago
You can only know "God" when you know self - so state the enlightened. No one can provide the evidence of "God"! Just as you cannot provide evidence of "Matt". We rely on senses for evidence, observation processed by mind. Without senses you have no evidence. What sense are you using that provides self awareness? You only exist when mind senses you and can be explained away regardless of what local matter or force you believe you exert. Universe is God(dess) in that it is essence of All.
CelticValdyr 9 months ago
Matt offered up the fact that the atoms that make up his body and brain are not the same atoms at birth. Truth! Yet Matt is still Matt and continues to be Matt until death. Provide the evidence of Matt! Only through our senses does universe exist. Matt is a collection of experiences that resides in mind. But that mind does not rely on specific atoms, only the essence of form that makes Matt human. Call it soul, spirit, essence, quale, fact remains that interpersonal comparison is impossible.
CelticValdyr 9 months ago
One cannot offer evidence of one's own identity any more than one can offer evidence of a god. These are both products of the mind, existing as essence or "soul". Read up on the Mind-body debate. "God" or Nature or whatever you wish to label existence is the essence of this universe. You may wish to perceive your reality as matter experienced by matter. I perceive the universe as interconnected energy, governed by law, experienced by the living for my "soul's" purpose.
CelticValdyr 9 months ago
The God debate has become (for me) more of a look at reason and people rather than a debate over God's existance. I find the previous much more interesting than the latter.
applebutterbaby42 9 months ago
God exists therefore God exists. Perfect logic, amirite?
mihoda 9 months ago
The evidence for God's existence is our own existence. A self programing brain is a supernatural trait (not found in nature). How can you explain that manifestation of God since it is not found anywhere in the natural world?
dejesusluisx 9 months ago
@dejesusluisx We are part of nature. Also, how do other animals learn behaviours without a 'self-programming' brain?
Carbide195 9 months ago
@Carbide195 "We are part of nature" so is God, it all depends on the point of view. ""how do other animals learn behaviours without a 'self-programming' brain?" They don't reprogram. Imagine a chess program that not only can learn from its mistakes but can also re-program itself (without the programmers intervention) and play any game and even create new games no one knows; that's what a self programing brain is. God didn't created us to His physical image he created us to his conscious image.
dejesusluisx 9 months ago
@dejesusluisx No, we are part of nature as we are animals, meaning that this self-programming brain is also part of nature. And besides other animals do 'reprogram', say a dog is brought up as a pup with friendly people, it will be friendly to people as an adult. Now put that dog in an abusive home for a year and i guarantee it will have changed it's behaviour around people drastically.
Carbide195 9 months ago
@Carbide195 ""self-programming brain is also part of nature"" as I said depends. No other animal shows that trait. Animals respond only to stimulus, their responses are conditioned. They act based on instincts and they can't override them. We are the only species that can decide to override the hunger stimulus and die in a hunger strike or override our fighting instincts and decide to put the other cheek when attacked. Animals learn and so do we, but re-programing has nothing to do with learning
dejesusluisx 9 months ago
@dejesusluisx We created god in OUR image.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""We created god in OUR image."" God created our consciousness to his image. In our initial ignorance and as part of our desire to understand God, we created hundreds of Gods to our image, is just now that we have enough knowledge to start to understand God's true nature.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx “We created hundreds of Gods to our image.” Thank you for proving my point.
“just now we have enough knowledge to start to understand God's true nature.” Really? Sounds kinda egotistical…almost godlike.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 "Thank you for proving my point." I guess there must be more to you point, since it is childish to think the creator of the universe could be a man like you and me. God can only be a powerful energy source as none known to science, with the difference He is conscious energy. The experiences I and many others have lived can't be described by coincidence, chance or autosuggestion. I am certain God exists, myself and many others have received proof and you could too if you open your mind.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx I've opened my mind and accepted that the idea of god makes no sense and I'm so much happier for it. If you and others have supposedly "experienced" god, I'm happy for you. Sincerely. You should open your mind and realize, though, that people can be just as happy without your alleged "reality."
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""the idea of god makes no sense"" It makes perfect sense. Please tell me what you feel doesn't make sense about God. The evidence God exists is human existence. A self programing computer is the ultimate design of any programmer, the most important trait that can be designed, and that is what the human brain is, a self programming biological machine. I we aren't an accident of evolution, it makes no sense, the odds of life make no sense as the origin of the universe out of nothing.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Human existence is proof of...human existence. The odds, however, of a god are impossible. Evolution is not an accident. Study it.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 "The odds, however, of a god are impossible."" Have you calculated them? How? On the other hand the odds of the simplest form of life coming to be out of random molecules had been calculated as is arround 1 X 10 77,000, which is an absurdly low probability for that to happen.
""Evolution is not an accident. Study it."" I had, I have a graduate degree in Biology, and evolution is real, there is no conflict between evolution and faith. In fact evolution is Gods way to create diversity
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Your statements are contradictory. Molecules exist, we exist. Ergo, we happened. However, the probability of [insert spurious, "spiritual," unprovable definition of god] is incalculable because there is NO verifiable proof. Ergo...an imaginary god. You cannot make the quantum leap in logic that since we exist there was a god without some REAL evidence. You can't keep saying "you have to open your mind." That is not proof. That is insulting. The implication is I have not. I have.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""is incalculable because there is NO verifiable proof."" conceptually, there is no need of proof to calculate the odds of an event, in fact it is the calculation of odds of events that haven't occurred or are uncertain where this tool finds it's usefulness. Calculating the odds of God existing don't make much sense because if you believe, it won't matter to you how low the odds are and if you don't believe in God you would not convert even if the odds are 50/50. That's why it's faith.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""You cannot make the quantum leap in logic that since we exist there was a god without some REAL evidence"" Is not our mere existence as biological organisms, is the existence of a self programming brain what is evidence. There is no other organism on earth with that capability. A self programming brain is not a random feature, is the end of a process, a final, top of the line feature. There is no way to improve on this feature, this is a fact and that's evidence of design.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
I always love the fact that so many theists avoid the question: describe your god. They can't, because every definition -- save for "unknowable, unseeable, indescribable..." ad nauseum -- is refutable and ridiculous.
KevJJ888 9 months ago
@KevJJ888 Try to refute this definition of God: is a source of energy that started the creation of the universe, directs the progression of life towards complexity, defines our consciousness and supports all conscious energy transformations.
It doesn't matter how we define God, what is important is if we believe in Him and live His message.
dejesusluisx 9 months ago
@dejesusluisx What is this energy? Where is it from? You offer no proof. Just call it nature. “He” doesn’t define MY consciousness; I do. As for "believe in Him and live His message.” Which god? Christian? Muslim? Norse? Which message? The Bible’s hating “father and mother, wife and children--yes, your own life.” Submissive wives or killing children? Or the violent and hateful messages in all religions’ books. No fake god or man-written controlling books for me, thanks.
KevJJ888 9 months ago
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@KevJJ888 ""You offer no proof. Just call it nature."" I can't prove you God exists, no one can, only God. But you have to let Him prove it to you. Is your free will to believe. How can you prove me that there is life in a drop of water if I don't want to see under a microscope.
dejesusluisx 9 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""Which god? Christian? Muslim? Norse?"" There is only one God, with 1,000 names. ""Which message?"" The message that we should love God above all things and our proximus as ourselves. No book controls me, the control comes from my desire to reject all animal selfish instincts which are part of our nature. Once you understand, you would no longer think is a fake.
dejesusluisx 9 months ago
@dejesusluisx Gods by any name are all fake without facts to back ‘em up. Love god above all things? God should be spelled e-g-o. I embrace self-fulfilling animal instincts BECAUSE they are natural. I understand and prefer happy reality, thanks.
KevJJ888 9 months ago
@KevJJ888 "God should be spelled e-g-o" Loving God above all things isn't for God's benefit but for our own. Loving God means being true to His message, not hypocritically kneeling in worship. People confuse love with worship and that's not the message God wants us to live. The only purpose to follow His message is for us to move away from selfish animal instincts which are the opposite of being human, which constitutes the purpose of our creation. If you don't understand you won't believe.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Again, nothing wrong with many animal instincts with are naturally part of us. WE make our own purpose, not a god for whom there is no proof he exists or created us…or anything. I understand the idea of god, and reject it as improbable, fallacious, and foolish. I do believe…in love, in people, in reality. Without a god telling me how he “wants us to live.” No need for god. I am much happier.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""nothing wrong with many animal instincts with are naturally part of us."" Nothing wrong with survival instincts, since they keep us alive; but a conscious animal would take that instinctive behavior to self annihilation. That is why all what God wants from us is to reject the selfish animal instincts. Think about all behaviors we call evil and you will notice they are rooted on instinctive behavior. What we call good are just the opposite, a conscious rejection of those instincts.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""I do believe…in love,"" Then you believe in God because God is love, you just have to understand the true meaning of the concept of God; once you do, your will notice all loose pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly and in harmony.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Deja vu: I don’t need god to believe in love or nature. That’s what’s so great about atheism. Once you understand its (and science's) harmony, you can see how wonderfully the pieces of nature, love, and life fit without a god. Once you understand that you don't need a god, you can release the make-believe, man-made, egotistical fantasy of gods. Once you understand atheism's obvious reality, you can see the pure, unfiltered beauty of it all, baby.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""I don’t need god to believe in love or nature."" Of course not, you don't have to believe what you see, is there; you only have to believe or have faith in what you don't see, what is not obvious. God is not a fantasy, just because you haven't had an encounter with the divine, doesn't mean it doesn't exists in reality. If you don't want to get out of your house you'll never know if you have neighbors. God is real, 100% guaranteed, no doubt and knowing Him is the greatest feeling.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Again, I don't need faith in nature or love because it's really there. It is the greatest, purest feeling--without a god. Why bother when there's so much real love? You should open your mind to experiencing it.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""It is the greatest, purest feeling--without a god."" It is a great feeling, only because God is in it, and is also in you, you just haven't realize it yet. Once you realize it, once you KNOW, a whole new door opens. Not all Christians had experienced this, in fact most people that go to church haven't, they belong to organized religion for many reasons: tradition, pressure, company, fear. I felt wrong every time I went to church as a non-believer, I felt hypocritical, but not anymore
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx Sorry, you have become too disrespectful and this exchange is ended. It's sad that you can't see beyond your closed-minded blind faith to realize someone can be completely happy without a god or a belief in god.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""you have become too disrespectful"" really? when was that? If you ever have an exchange like this in the future, you'll know I'm the most respectful person you'll meet on line.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx "It is a great feeling, only because God is in it, and is also in you, you just haven't realize it yet. Once you realize it, once you KNOW, a whole new door opens." You can't see the disrespect here? I can see how you can be happy with a god, what comfort this idea may give you, although I do not see how a god can exist. However, I will not presume to say you are not happier that I am because of it. That is egotistical...like a god who requires that you love him.
KevJJ888 8 months ago
@KevJJ888 ""I will not presume to say you are not happier that I am because of it. That is egotistical..."" I can't compare your happiness to mine, that would be silly, I could only compare how happy I thought I was as a non-believer vs how happy I feel now as a believer. Based on that I can only suggest you could be happier if you believe. Those are the facts I have experienced, and I don't see any disrespect in stating so.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx
Why is it important to believe in a god? I can't think of ANY.
Is it because you're scarred not to? So you are forced to love someone you fear,..... there is a name for that.
easyas314 9 months ago
I wanted to hear his proof of the Oranges of the Universe... damn you, Matt and your reasonable discretion.
Did Cesar actually say: "Atheism of the gaps"? Is he really suggesting that when seeing a mystery that is yet to be explained, it's wrong or hasty to NOT drop to your knees immediately and worship whatever you imagine could have created (but never explained) the mystery? That's retarded.
dorsk188 9 months ago
Ok, I agree with everything, but that song from the intro/outro doesn't fit the talk show at all.
fabian5002 9 months ago
Sigourney Weaver kicks ass.
alienlifeform11 10 months ago
:::and the invisible is indistinguishable from the imaginary:::
GodsArePeopleToo 10 months ago
mental masturbation lady that is very good espession
legolasgreenleaff 11 months ago
orange fairies exist.
They died for you and then came back to life.
they walk the earth today.
they like to watch the Brady Bunch.
Is this any less believable than what this guy was saying?
If so, please tell me how.
vinegarthomas 11 months ago
@vinegarthomas Write a book about your fairies and after that it will be the same :)
shapingAfuture 10 months ago
Love Tracy's thinking here, she's awesome
RussianAssassin21 11 months ago
ugh this caller is dumb, not trying to be mean, just a fact
RussianAssassin21 11 months ago
I just donated 5 bucks to these guys. I feel good.
FreeGuitarLicks 11 months ago 15
first rant that I've seen from somebody other than Matt. Go tracy!
acrazyone1 11 months ago 15
@acrazyone1 watch the show archive, lots of great stuff from tracie there
horbergus 7 months ago
You should make a Cesar/Caesar playlist -- he crops up every so often on the show, always parroting some apologist BS, and comically fails at defending the flawed premises of it.
Zevaeros 11 months ago
he is from queens what u expect
BaltoMovie 11 months ago
Why the "unmovable mover" does not need to exist at the start of the universe ? Well let me answer my own question : We apply the logic of our universe, to our own universe. So we get stuck. We look at something and we know it must have been caused to exist by something else. But that is because of the laws of physics that we developed such a logic. Before our universe, the laws of physics did not exist Duh, so of course anything could have happened. It's Outside our system, and we are stuck in.
Yamakoto120 11 months ago
god died and thus the universe was created....holy shit!
dfhdjlfh 11 months ago
geeeez, that guy was retarded. man, I have a migrane and I wasn't even talking to him
dev1on 11 months ago
I think the problem with these people is not that the callers lack evidence but the hosts are not open minded. They've already made up there minds about what they believe so no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. The callers and the Hosts are wasting their time. You can never argue with someone with a closed mind.
Childofaking4eva 1 year ago
GOD sais in the bible: The world has 4 corners, scientists proved the world is round, GOD must be a moron.
RzzRBladez 1 year ago
@RzzRBladez i think thats a mistranslation, it was originally intended to be four quadrants not four corners. Aran Ra mentioned this on a 'thinking atheist' podcast.
t1mel1ne 11 months ago
@t1mel1ne This ofcourse begs a number of questions, I mean 2, or even more than 2 millenia of misspelling, mistranslations, malconduct, desinterest, or any other reason of changing the words, changing the meaning, may have left only a remnant of what was an idea in the past, in that time meaningfull, but at present quite meaningless. Ofcourse it also may be pointed out that the circumference of the Earth was already calculated by the Ptolemean Greek Eratosthenes by 200 BCE.
RzzRBladez 11 months ago
@RzzRBladez if it's that diluted why mention it at all?
t1mel1ne 11 months ago
@t1mel1ne Do you mean "deluded?" LOL add four cups of water to make it diluted.
mrshaunce 11 months ago
@mrshaunce no i meant diluted. as in the thought or whatever has been watered down.
t1mel1ne 11 months ago
@t1mel1ne My mistake
mrshaunce 11 months ago
@mrshaunce it's cool :)
t1mel1ne 11 months ago
this guy should unnplug his nose when he's talking on the phone
BANGBANGBANGBBANG 1 year ago
@BANGBANGBANGBBANG Cheap shots are not good arguments. The caller had no evidence or coherent logic to support his claim. His nasal voice had nothing to do with the failure of his claims.
Kailoa36 1 year ago
@Kailoa36 whats the matter? got a droll, nasally voice too? hahahahhahah fuck you.
BANGBANGBANGBBANG 1 year ago
@Kailoa36 Cheap shots are not arguments period.
Yamakoto120 11 months ago
I think these hosts need to dumb down their language. Demonstrable? Assertion? All the callers hear is something about a monster or an ass.
TheCraich 1 year ago
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TheCraich 1 year ago
This bald mothafucker is a BEAST
bigredphenom 1 year ago 2
@bigredphenom matt dillihunty. him and jeff dee are brilliant.
t1mel1ne 1 year ago 2
Imagine rolling a die with a zillion sides. When you roll the die, no matter what number comes up, the odds of that number are one in a zillion. So, as soon as you roll it you can say: "Look, this die always rolls a miracle!"
pburto 1 year ago
What caused existence? Whatever it was, apparently it didn't exist. Nonexistence would seem to hamper actions such as "causing" and "creating" existence.
greyeyed123 1 year ago
Wow, do you guys drink heavy after the show? Dealing with people like this would make me drink 24/7.
WingZero75 1 year ago