George is correct,God knows all of His sheep and calls them through the gospel Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers.
The Texas Board of Education thinks Thomas Jefferson, as a founding father, should be squeezed out of US History courses, and John Calvin should be substituted in his place. Things are getting scary in this country.
I keep running into calvinists in positions of leadership of churches who attempt to dominate the conversation and I have to just interrupt them to talk. Calivinism stinks and is such a lie. It makes God into a liar if it were true (which it isn't) and void of compassion.
@Death4Note Gladly. The Bible states that it is God's desire that none should perish. Calvinism is limited atonement by God's choice. Remember, a "double minded man is unstable in all his ways." God surely isn't double minded.
This is a completely wrong understanding of Reformed theology. For example, total depravity does not at all mean complete, utter depravity...instead it means that human nature is irreparably flawed, fallible--incapable of reaching God's glory. *Total* then, means *existential-in-total*. It does not suggest that human beings are totally evil creatures. Reformed theologians believe human beings are usually good/well-meaning, but that their condition of depravity can never be totally escaped.
Seems like the man in the movie chose to skip a great time to explain GRACE! I guess she's either in the elect or not... so no need to share the gospel??
Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell..they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped..every women beaten..every person murdered..every deceitful business deal..every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee from Calvinism.Repent of Calvinism!
The bible says that Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, especially those who believe. We must remember there is a special emphasis on those who believe, but it also says "all men". You see it didn't say He is the saviour of those who believe only, but all men.
However, it is also true that anyone who tries to be saved in their own strength, or doesn't come through Yeshua Hamashiach (The Lord Jesus) cannot be born again.
I've experienced this.. my name is written in heaven, I've been elected
The verse actually says 'Living God...you make the mistake of assuming only one sense of the word ‘saviour’, there are two senses being used here – 1. That God is the saviour of all his creation in the sense that we all draw breath, have our being in and our preserved by the love and good pleasure of God even those that will eventually suffer his wrath, 2. Those that believe receive the highest form of his saving love – that is eternal life ‘especially those that believe’.
Discussion is awesome. Its how we learn more about God, but im starting to feel sick from these comments that talk about Calvinism as if it were as essential and obvious as Christ's sufficiency, and the same from the other side. And then not being respectful towards each others arguments. Disrespect shows ignorance of the other side. There is a strong logical and biblical grounding for all three sides. Talk about theology, not heresy and arrogance and be respectful as you refute it like an adult
I was at, one time, considered a heretic because I believed that Christ died for all men and that His death was meant to give all who would ask for it eternal life. Of course, these were Calvinists calling me a heretic. They were telling me that passages like 2 Peter 3:9 aren't inclusive, but is only meant for those that God has chosen for salvation. And, because I disagreed with them, I was called a heretic. I thought it was funny, but anyway...
To say that God commands men to do what they cannot do without His grace, then withholds the grace they need and punishes them eternally for failing to obey, is to make a mockery of God’s Word, of His mercy and love, and is to libel His character.
The T.U.L.I.P. is a beautiful flower but an ugly theology. Calvinism offers a special definition of human depravity: that depravity equals inability -- and this special definition necessitates both Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace. … There is not a verse in the Bible, however, which presents Calvinism’s radical idea that the sinner is incapable of believing the very gospel which offers him forgiveness and salvation and yet he is condemned by God for failing to believe.
There's not one verse (???) - Heres what the NT says about mans "ability" - Evil (Luke 11:13), blind (Acts 26:15-18), has no righteousness (Romans 3:10), is deaf (John 8:47), enslaved to sin (Romans 6:6), the offspring of Satan (John 8:44), does not seek God (Romans 3:11), is a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3), cannot do good (Romans 3:12), is spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1), does not possess the ability to come to Christ (John 6:44) and is unable to please God (Romans 8:8).
@AReformedChristian Well, that is convenient, but not the full picture. What you fail to understand by revelation is that Man's inability to please God or do good, does not negate his ability to believe. Christ commanded men to repent and believe the gospel and if his call went out to people who had no power to believe or turn from their sins then he was lying to His hearers. I have studied Calvinism in depth, more than you could possibly understand. Nothing but heartache.
@MilanPavkovic1 So according to your perspective “belief or faith” is not good or pleasing to God? How do you reconcile this with Hebrews 11:6? Could you please offer an exegesis of John 6:44? You state you have studied ‘Calvinism’ in depth, what sources have you studied? Have you read Martin Luther’s “Bondage of the Will”? or James Whites “The Potters Freedom” what about works from Spurgeon, Owen, Sproul, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Hodge or Dr Martyn Lloyd Jones to name a few?
@MilanPavkovic1 @ I recently posted an article on my blog regarding the question of why God demands from man what the natural man does not have the ability to perform, you can navigate there from my channel page, the article is called "Free will?...you choose" its an excerpt from Bondage of the Will. All by grace, All for His Glory. God Bless.
@krrwasser You are correct. Some are predestined for heaven and some for hell. Read Romans 9 sometime. And there is no such thing as free will. The Bible certainly doesn't teach it.
Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell..they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped..every women beaten..every person murdered..every deceitful business deal..every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee from Calvinism. Repent of Calvinism!
@krrwasser Check out an article called "Agorazo in 2 Peter 2:1" by Jim Ellis. I would post a link, but you can't do that here. It explains a bit about the usage of the word "bought" and the word "Lord". And Calvinism makes God the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe. Saying that Calvinists believe in God as a evil puppet master is a strawman. Research the topic a bit more.
Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell......they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal....every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
Calvinism is simply a nickname for the gospel, nothing more. Calvin's theology predated him. It went back to Augustine and then back to St. Paul. It is a biblical theology. It elevates God to the highest post and gives Him all the glory for everything. It portrays Him as an absolute sovereign, who rules and reign over all of creation and orders it down to the smallest detail. He plans and predestines things according to HIs holy will and not our depraved will.
Doesn't God have any love for humanity? for each person?
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The characteristic of God is not to be a ruler who issue orders. God is love, and that is why He send His only son to die on the cross, in order to save the world --and each human being separately.
@Mauromoustakos The example of Jacob and Esau shows that God does not love every single person. And if God's purpose was to save every single person as you assert, can we say that He has succeeded or failed? Only if universalism were true can we say that His purpose is to save every person and He succeeds in this. But universalism is not true as we read in Scripture that some do go to Hell. So if some do go to Hell, and if God's purpose was to save every single person, then God is a failure!
@Gamolmann Have you ever read where Paul quotes this from. It's from Malachi Chapter 1 and is not referring to the individuals Jacob and Esau but the nations that came from them (Israel and Edom). God pronounces judement against Edom who mistreated Israel.
""Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.” Edom may say, “Though we have been crushed, we will rebuild the ruins.....”"
@Gamolmann Of course there is free will. It is all through the scripture. Joshua told the people "choose this day whom you will serve". How can you make a choice unless you are free to choose one way or another?
> Calvinism is simply a nickname for the gospel, nothing more.
You are not a Greek, eh? But surely, you do not know your Greek.
Calvinism cant be a nickname for the gospel. The gospel is called Euaggelion, a Greek word that comes from the Greek phrase "Good message". And this Good Message is that Christ died on the Cross so that now all persons can be saved. The Good Message of the gospel is the hope of salvation FOR ALL.
Where is predestination and Calvinism in this Good Message?
@Mauromoustakos The good news is that God saves sinners. He does not make salvation possible for all and leave it up to chance, but rather he makes it certain for those for it was intended. Where is any good news in a mere possibility?
@Gamolmann The Angels proclaimed at Christ's birth. "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born..."
How is it good news for all the people that a Saviour is born for some? How is it possibly good news for the lost that God sent a Saviour for other people but not for them, that God wants to save others but He doesn't want to save them?
@Gamolmann ..you said..'Calvin's theology predated him. It went back to Augustine and then back to St. Paul. It is a biblical theology. It elevates God to the highest post and gives Him all the glory for everything.'
I say...Yeah right and Peter is the first Pope.....#FAIL. Calvinism is NOT Biblical, it is heresy. It does NOT elevate God but drags Him down into the gutter making Him the Author of ALL sin....it is BLASPHEMY. Every child raped every murder every sexual perversion every act
@Gamolmann .cont.....of selfishness all forms of greed EVERY SIN ever committed was decreed by God..........hey we're off the hook.......He did it!! Besides being blasphemous it's moronic. Repent of Calvinism!!
@ThePuppyTurtle His will multi-faceted, that's all. He doesn't will that people have to perish, but wills that they do for the sake of logical and moral redemption of the cosmos.
@ThePuppyTurtle What you're saying is exactly the argument Paul refuted in Romans 9: " You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?".. He is the standard. He is Holy. Repent!
"If he wills damnation upon us, his will is depraved."
Damnation is what sinful man deserves. Besides, Paul comes to quite a different conclusion than you in Romans 9. And if you're conclusion contradicts Paul's, CHANGE YOUR CONCLUSION.
Yes, but people already deserve damnation. Hence the cross, grace... you know, the Gospel. Those whom he wishes to save out of this condemned race he predestines to grace; the rest he predestines to the damnation that they already deserve.
It's not unjust to give someone what they deserve.
@AgApE010 The Bible would disagree with you, it says that God wants ALL people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4) And before you say that it means all kinds of people, it doesn't. The Phrase for all men is πάντας ἀνθρώπους meaning All men.
I can read Greek, thanks. And there's nothing in the Greek text that makes the words totally inclusive to every single human being on the planet as you are trying to argue. The pre-text makes clear that it is speaking of all kinds of people ("kings, those in authority").
So are you saying that God is unjust in wanting to send sinners to Hell? Let's just get down to the heart of the matter here. I don't have time for petty little back and forth exchanges.
@AgApE010 It is unjust to send them to hell for sins they were predestined to commit. And the context can be summed up as "Pray for everybody because God wants everyone to be saved".
Ephesians 2:10 says that the good works that you do were prepared beforehand by God. Will you be consistent and tell God not to reward you for the good works you do because they were predestined?
Ahh, but now we see your misunderstanding. Calvinism doesn't teach that God forces people to do things. Man still makes real choices. To go back to Ephesians 2:10, it is clear that God predestined the good works you do, but you don't feel any compulsion or any restrain on your will so that you're doing the works whilst kicking and screaming in protest, do you? Yet, again, it is still true that God predestined that you do these works.
Of course you cannot choose differently than what God determined. Is your will mightier than His?? By "choice" I mean you're doing what you want to do; you're not being forced to do something kicking and screaming.
" the noxious weed of GEneva, an old man's beard from a bearded old man
who strangles grace as well as all he disagreed with" - a aphorism of my own
old mans beard is a noxious invasive and strangling weed in my own country - NZ
I might not deny that Calvinists can be christians but i do deny that anyone who believes such a gross misrepresentation of God's nature as shown by TULIP can actually know and love Him
In Calvinism, God Purposely Decreeds for Man to come into Existance DEAD, INVOLUNTARILY created to love SIN from the moment of conception, having NO ABILITY to repent or beg for mercy, the vast majority FATED for DAMNATION, PREDESTINED to burn forever, CHOSEN for Eternal Punishment, "Before having done anything either good or bad", with a ZERO chance of Salvation, for "His good pleasure".
"O how BEAUTIFUL are the feet of those Calvinist who preach the good news!"
Openair, it is false what you are proclaiming and if using lies to advance an agenda is how you preach then perhaps you should stop in the open aur or in a building or on the internet; just be quiet until you have become honest enough to speak the truth. Servetus was not killed by Calvin and Calvin tried repeatedly to save his life. It was the local government that condemned him to death.
@ddww992 ........umm Calvin was the PROSECUTOR during Servetuss' trial. Calvin did NOT try to save his life. Get your facts straight. Calvin premediated his death saying if his influence was great enough Servetus would not leave Geneva alive.
@willpower242 You are peddling either a lie or you show a gross ignorance in the actual historical account of this, either way you need to be silent until the problem is resolved. Calvin was not involved in the prosecution of Servetus, the Genevan civil authorites were. Both he and Flavel pleaded for his life and begged him to repent that he might be saved. Calvin was actually ridiculed by those in Geneva as a "liberal" for pleading for this man's life.
@ddww992 ..........Ahhhh......threats..........the Calvinistic way......persecutors of the True Church.......'embrace your hate' as the evil Emperor says as he is turning Anakin to the Dark Side.
"If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight."
Written by John Calvin in a letter to Farel, Feb 13th, 1546
"We have now new business in hand with Servetus.....I thought that he should be detained. My friend Nicolas summoned him on a capital charge. ... I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed upon him"
Written by John Calvin in a letter to Farel, Aug 20th 1553
@shteve77 You're trying to manipulate the clear testimony of history. Yes, Calvin thought him worthy of death for his extreme heresy. yes, Calvin warned him that if he came that may happen. But it is also true that Calvin didn't have the authority to condemn or release him adn that was exclusively handled by the civil government in Geneva with input from a number of other places as well.
@ddww992 All I did was to quote Calvin's own words. It is a historical fact that He wrote those things. His words testify what was in his heart. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul writing such things? I can't.
@shteve77 First, cite your source, don't just make claims. Second, you mean Paul who said, "The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply"? Harsh words in and of themselves aren't wrong, and context rules everything.
@ddww992 My source is Calvin himself. It is a historical fact that He is the author of these letters. People try and deny that the disciples really wrote the gospels but they did, and it seems you are trying to deny the historical fact that Calvin wrote those words. He did.
@shteve77 You're funny. So where did you see these words from Calvin? You are biased against biblical truth and you see in Calvin a way you think you can break down this godly system of doctrine that is such an affront to your need to exercise sovereignty over your own soul. You are have either lied about the Servetus case or you are ignorant, neither is acceptable. You're attempting to find justification to turn God into an impotent god of your own choosing, Calvin merely opposes you.
@ddww992 Do some research. They are quotes from letters he wrote and the contents of the letters are widely available. Calvin wrote these letters to real people.
Michel Servet, hérétique et martyr (Geneva: Droz, 1953), 152–3; letter of 26 February 1533 - Ronald H. Bainton.
@ddww992 Could you imagine Paul writing as Calvin did "Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."..."I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed upon him"..." I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight"..."One should not be content with simply killing such people, but should burn them cruelly"
@shteve77 Furthermore, Calvin met a number of times with Servetus, even summoned Farel to come down (which he did) and do the same, and they pleaded with him to repent that his life might be spared. When he refused Calvin begged the civil authorities to behead him rather than burn him that he might not suffer undue pain, which they refused.
@shteve77 You can try to take any quote you want and divorce it from fact in order to make it sound the way you want, but it still doesn't pass the stink test and it's obvious your bias leads you to believe that which isn't true.
"Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, AS I HAVE EXTERMINATED Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
Written by John Calvin in 1561 in a letter to the Marquis Paet, high chamberlain to the King of Navarre.
and “One should not be content with simply killing such people, but should burn them cruelly”.
@shteve77 ......thank you for sharing the truth about John Calvin.
It is my policy never to get my theology from a serial murderer........this policy has served me well for many months now..........( I recently converted from Calvinism).
Not much fruit of the Spirit in those letters huh? Wasnt exactly walking w God.
@willpower242 Amen. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul writing words like Calvin's. It's beyond me why anyone would hold Calvin up as an example of a Christian or a Theologian. So glad you have rejected Calvinism. The Bible teaches that "God is light, in Him is no darkness at all", yet in Calvinism, every single sin and evil deed has been planned by God and brought to pass, and then God apparently pretends He is grieved by the very sin He caused by sovereign decree! God isn't Skitzo. God Bless.
@willpower242 Amen. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul writing words like Calvin's. It's beyond me why anyone would hold Calvin up as an example of a Christian or a Theologian. So glad you have rejected Calvinism. The Bible teaches that "God is light, in Him is no darkness at all", yet in Calvinism, every single sin and evil deed has been planned by God and brought to pass, and then God apparently pretends He is grieved by the very sin He caused by sovereign decree! God isn't Skitzo. God Bless.
So the Venusians don't get it, huh? Should I be surprised?
cheagan 3 hours ago
George is correct,God knows all of His sheep and calls them through the gospel Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers.
CBALLEN 5 days ago
The Texas Board of Education thinks Thomas Jefferson, as a founding father, should be squeezed out of US History courses, and John Calvin should be substituted in his place. Things are getting scary in this country.
Astrobrant2 1 week ago
I keep running into calvinists in positions of leadership of churches who attempt to dominate the conversation and I have to just interrupt them to talk. Calivinism stinks and is such a lie. It makes God into a liar if it were true (which it isn't) and void of compassion.
julieification 1 week ago
@julieification
hi, can you tell me how Calvinism makes God a liar?
Thanks!
Death4Note 6 days ago
@Death4Note Gladly. The Bible states that it is God's desire that none should perish. Calvinism is limited atonement by God's choice. Remember, a "double minded man is unstable in all his ways." God surely isn't double minded.
julieification 6 days ago
This is a completely wrong understanding of Reformed theology. For example, total depravity does not at all mean complete, utter depravity...instead it means that human nature is irreparably flawed, fallible--incapable of reaching God's glory. *Total* then, means *existential-in-total*. It does not suggest that human beings are totally evil creatures. Reformed theologians believe human beings are usually good/well-meaning, but that their condition of depravity can never be totally escaped.
roberttschaefer 1 week ago
Ummm...completely wrong explanation of the TULIP. As John Gerstner said, "If that is what a Calvinist is then I'm not one either."
theocratickingdom30 1 week ago
I like that later part of what the girl says " and I thought I was f%#ked up. That's Calvinism.
pinghead105 1 week ago
I've seen a lot of Scott's films, but never this one. Anybody know the title?
RBNightlinger 1 week ago
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Seems like the man in the movie chose to skip a great time to explain GRACE! I guess she's either in the elect or not... so no need to share the gospel??
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GodisgoodA11thetime 2 weeks ago
Calvinists aren't mean! Take a look at the Calvinistic Cartoons blog on Google.
eddieeddings 2 weeks ago
Why are Calvinist so mean?
buc701 2 weeks ago
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell..they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped..every women beaten..every person murdered..every deceitful business deal..every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee from Calvinism.Repent of Calvinism!
willpower242 3 weeks ago
1st John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
ChristopherakaPaul 4 weeks ago
The bible says that Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, especially those who believe. We must remember there is a special emphasis on those who believe, but it also says "all men". You see it didn't say He is the saviour of those who believe only, but all men.
However, it is also true that anyone who tries to be saved in their own strength, or doesn't come through Yeshua Hamashiach (The Lord Jesus) cannot be born again.
I've experienced this.. my name is written in heaven, I've been elected
empirestatebuilding1 4 weeks ago
The verse actually says 'Living God...you make the mistake of assuming only one sense of the word ‘saviour’, there are two senses being used here – 1. That God is the saviour of all his creation in the sense that we all draw breath, have our being in and our preserved by the love and good pleasure of God even those that will eventually suffer his wrath, 2. Those that believe receive the highest form of his saving love – that is eternal life ‘especially those that believe’.
AReformedChristian 4 weeks ago
Discussion is awesome. Its how we learn more about God, but im starting to feel sick from these comments that talk about Calvinism as if it were as essential and obvious as Christ's sufficiency, and the same from the other side. And then not being respectful towards each others arguments. Disrespect shows ignorance of the other side. There is a strong logical and biblical grounding for all three sides. Talk about theology, not heresy and arrogance and be respectful as you refute it like an adult
SagesOfSeraphim 1 month ago
"You should hear perverts talk."
This was too, too funny. Thanks for the yucks.
gore53 1 month ago
I was at, one time, considered a heretic because I believed that Christ died for all men and that His death was meant to give all who would ask for it eternal life. Of course, these were Calvinists calling me a heretic. They were telling me that passages like 2 Peter 3:9 aren't inclusive, but is only meant for those that God has chosen for salvation. And, because I disagreed with them, I was called a heretic. I thought it was funny, but anyway...
jarbon5 1 month ago
To say that God commands men to do what they cannot do without His grace, then withholds the grace they need and punishes them eternally for failing to obey, is to make a mockery of God’s Word, of His mercy and love, and is to libel His character.
MrLesliehshoots 1 month ago
The T.U.L.I.P. is a beautiful flower but an ugly theology. Calvinism offers a special definition of human depravity: that depravity equals inability -- and this special definition necessitates both Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace. … There is not a verse in the Bible, however, which presents Calvinism’s radical idea that the sinner is incapable of believing the very gospel which offers him forgiveness and salvation and yet he is condemned by God for failing to believe.
MrLesliehshoots 1 month ago
There's not one verse (???) - Heres what the NT says about mans "ability" - Evil (Luke 11:13), blind (Acts 26:15-18), has no righteousness (Romans 3:10), is deaf (John 8:47), enslaved to sin (Romans 6:6), the offspring of Satan (John 8:44), does not seek God (Romans 3:11), is a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3), cannot do good (Romans 3:12), is spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1), does not possess the ability to come to Christ (John 6:44) and is unable to please God (Romans 8:8).
AReformedChristian 4 weeks ago 2
@AReformedChristian Well, that is convenient, but not the full picture. What you fail to understand by revelation is that Man's inability to please God or do good, does not negate his ability to believe. Christ commanded men to repent and believe the gospel and if his call went out to people who had no power to believe or turn from their sins then he was lying to His hearers. I have studied Calvinism in depth, more than you could possibly understand. Nothing but heartache.
MilanPavkovic1 3 weeks ago
@MilanPavkovic1 So according to your perspective “belief or faith” is not good or pleasing to God? How do you reconcile this with Hebrews 11:6? Could you please offer an exegesis of John 6:44? You state you have studied ‘Calvinism’ in depth, what sources have you studied? Have you read Martin Luther’s “Bondage of the Will”? or James Whites “The Potters Freedom” what about works from Spurgeon, Owen, Sproul, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Hodge or Dr Martyn Lloyd Jones to name a few?
AReformedChristian 3 weeks ago
@MilanPavkovic1 @ I recently posted an article on my blog regarding the question of why God demands from man what the natural man does not have the ability to perform, you can navigate there from my channel page, the article is called "Free will?...you choose" its an excerpt from Bondage of the Will. All by grace, All for His Glory. God Bless.
AReformedChristian 3 weeks ago
Did she just drop the F-bomb? Why wouldnt everyone dislike this?
astherrien 1 month ago
@krrwasser You are correct. Some are predestined for heaven and some for hell. Read Romans 9 sometime. And there is no such thing as free will. The Bible certainly doesn't teach it.
Gamolmann 1 month ago
@Gamolmann Leviticus 19:5 "And if you offer a sacrifice of a peace offering to the LORD, you shall offer it of your own free will."
How can you offer a freewill offering if you have no free will?
shteve77 1 month ago
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell..they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped..every women beaten..every person murdered..every deceitful business deal..every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee from Calvinism. Repent of Calvinism!
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@krrwasser Check out an article called "Agorazo in 2 Peter 2:1" by Jim Ellis. I would post a link, but you can't do that here. It explains a bit about the usage of the word "bought" and the word "Lord". And Calvinism makes God the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe. Saying that Calvinists believe in God as a evil puppet master is a strawman. Research the topic a bit more.
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Must see TV.............check out 'Calvinist Mumbo Jumbo'.........a classic!!
youtube.com/watch?v=AWCv_BdZu8o
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.....LOL........she does have a right assessment of Calvinism....Hahahahahahahaha.
What a hoot!.......still laughing.......
willpower242 1 month ago
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell......they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal....every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
willpower242 1 month ago
amen general patton amen!
BigG99 1 month ago
What movie is that film clip from?
bwaprice1 1 month ago
Calvinism is simply a nickname for the gospel, nothing more. Calvin's theology predated him. It went back to Augustine and then back to St. Paul. It is a biblical theology. It elevates God to the highest post and gives Him all the glory for everything. It portrays Him as an absolute sovereign, who rules and reign over all of creation and orders it down to the smallest detail. He plans and predestines things according to HIs holy will and not our depraved will.
Gamolmann 3 months ago 7
@Gamolmann
AMEN!
Bill244888 2 months ago
@Gamolmann Lol, Calvinsim=The Gospel. You're so funny...
TeaPartier22 1 month ago
@Gamolmann
Where is love in all these?
Doesn't God have any love for humanity? for each person?
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The characteristic of God is not to be a ruler who issue orders. God is love, and that is why He send His only son to die on the cross, in order to save the world --and each human being separately.
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Mauromoustakos 1 month ago
@Mauromoustakos The example of Jacob and Esau shows that God does not love every single person. And if God's purpose was to save every single person as you assert, can we say that He has succeeded or failed? Only if universalism were true can we say that His purpose is to save every person and He succeeds in this. But universalism is not true as we read in Scripture that some do go to Hell. So if some do go to Hell, and if God's purpose was to save every single person, then God is a failure!
Gamolmann 1 month ago
@Gamolmann You say that God doesn't love everyone, yet scripture says "God IS love". Not He is loving towards some but his very nature is Love.
shteve77 1 month ago
@shteve77 God loves Jacob, but hates Esau.
Gamolmann 1 month ago
@Gamolmann Have you ever read where Paul quotes this from. It's from Malachi Chapter 1 and is not referring to the individuals Jacob and Esau but the nations that came from them (Israel and Edom). God pronounces judement against Edom who mistreated Israel.
""Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.” Edom may say, “Though we have been crushed, we will rebuild the ruins.....”"
shteve77 1 month ago
@Gamolmann Of course there is free will. It is all through the scripture. Joshua told the people "choose this day whom you will serve". How can you make a choice unless you are free to choose one way or another?
shteve77 1 month ago
@Gamolmann How do you reconcile a God who apparently hates most of mankind with a God who scripture says "IS LOVE"? Is God love or not?
shteve77 1 month ago
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willpower242 1 month ago
> Calvinism is simply a nickname for the gospel, nothing more.
You are not a Greek, eh? But surely, you do not know your Greek.
Calvinism cant be a nickname for the gospel. The gospel is called Euaggelion, a Greek word that comes from the Greek phrase "Good message". And this Good Message is that Christ died on the Cross so that now all persons can be saved. The Good Message of the gospel is the hope of salvation FOR ALL.
Where is predestination and Calvinism in this Good Message?
Mauromoustakos 1 month ago
@Mauromoustakos The good news is that God saves sinners. He does not make salvation possible for all and leave it up to chance, but rather he makes it certain for those for it was intended. Where is any good news in a mere possibility?
Gamolmann 1 month ago
@Gamolmann The Angels proclaimed at Christ's birth. "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born..."
How is it good news for all the people that a Saviour is born for some? How is it possibly good news for the lost that God sent a Saviour for other people but not for them, that God wants to save others but He doesn't want to save them?
shteve77 1 month ago
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@Gamolmann ..you said..'Calvin's theology predated him. It went back to Augustine and then back to St. Paul. It is a biblical theology. It elevates God to the highest post and gives Him all the glory for everything.'
I say...Yeah right and Peter is the first Pope.....#FAIL. Calvinism is NOT Biblical, it is heresy. It does NOT elevate God but drags Him down into the gutter making Him the Author of ALL sin....it is BLASPHEMY. Every child raped every murder every sexual perversion every act
willpower242 1 month ago
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@Gamolmann .cont.....of selfishness all forms of greed EVERY SIN ever committed was decreed by God..........hey we're off the hook.......He did it!! Besides being blasphemous it's moronic. Repent of Calvinism!!
willpower242 1 month ago
@Gamolmann If he wills damnation upon us, his will is depraved.
ThePuppyTurtle 1 month ago
@ThePuppyTurtle His will multi-faceted, that's all. He doesn't will that people have to perish, but wills that they do for the sake of logical and moral redemption of the cosmos.
TheFunkyTheist 1 month ago
@ThePuppyTurtle What you're saying is exactly the argument Paul refuted in Romans 9: " You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?".. He is the standard. He is Holy. Repent!
RadicalEvangelist 3 weeks ago
@RadicalEvangelist That's talking about the Pharaoh and how he was a way tat God showed his power to the Israelites on earth.
ThePuppyTurtle 3 weeks ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
"If he wills damnation upon us, his will is depraved."
Damnation is what sinful man deserves. Besides, Paul comes to quite a different conclusion than you in Romans 9. And if you're conclusion contradicts Paul's, CHANGE YOUR CONCLUSION.
AgApE010 3 weeks ago
@AgApE010 I addressed that passage in my last comments. And you believe God PREDESTINES damnation.
ThePuppyTurtle 3 weeks ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
Yes, but people already deserve damnation. Hence the cross, grace... you know, the Gospel. Those whom he wishes to save out of this condemned race he predestines to grace; the rest he predestines to the damnation that they already deserve.
It's not unjust to give someone what they deserve.
AgApE010 3 weeks ago
@AgApE010 The Bible would disagree with you, it says that God wants ALL people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4) And before you say that it means all kinds of people, it doesn't. The Phrase for all men is πάντας ἀνθρώπους meaning All men.
ThePuppyTurtle 3 weeks ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
I can read Greek, thanks. And there's nothing in the Greek text that makes the words totally inclusive to every single human being on the planet as you are trying to argue. The pre-text makes clear that it is speaking of all kinds of people ("kings, those in authority").
So are you saying that God is unjust in wanting to send sinners to Hell? Let's just get down to the heart of the matter here. I don't have time for petty little back and forth exchanges.
AgApE010 3 weeks ago
@AgApE010 It is unjust to send them to hell for sins they were predestined to commit. And the context can be summed up as "Pray for everybody because God wants everyone to be saved".
ThePuppyTurtle 3 weeks ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
Ephesians 2:10 says that the good works that you do were prepared beforehand by God. Will you be consistent and tell God not to reward you for the good works you do because they were predestined?
AgApE010 3 weeks ago
@AgApE010 If I had literally no part in that I was forced to do Good, then no.
ThePuppyTurtle 3 weeks ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
Ahh, but now we see your misunderstanding. Calvinism doesn't teach that God forces people to do things. Man still makes real choices. To go back to Ephesians 2:10, it is clear that God predestined the good works you do, but you don't feel any compulsion or any restrain on your will so that you're doing the works whilst kicking and screaming in protest, do you? Yet, again, it is still true that God predestined that you do these works.
AgApE010 3 weeks ago
@AgApE010 I made a real choice? So I could have chosen to do differently than God predestined me then?
ThePuppyTurtle 3 weeks ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
Of course you cannot choose differently than what God determined. Is your will mightier than His?? By "choice" I mean you're doing what you want to do; you're not being forced to do something kicking and screaming.
AgApE010 3 weeks ago
@AgApE010 If neither I nor the Damned could have freely chosen differently then neither of us should be punished or rewarded.
ThePuppyTurtle 3 weeks ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
So be it. Just remember that the Lord said "You did not choose me, but I chose you." Now look back at your comment in light of that.
Take care.
AgApE010 3 weeks ago
@Gamolmann "predestines things"
Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
JohananRaatz 4 weeks ago
@Gamolmann well said Brother, To God alone be the Glory, God Bless
AReformedChristian 3 weeks ago
TULIP,, a noxious weed,
" the noxious weed of GEneva, an old man's beard from a bearded old man
who strangles grace as well as all he disagreed with" - a aphorism of my own
old mans beard is a noxious invasive and strangling weed in my own country - NZ
I might not deny that Calvinists can be christians but i do deny that anyone who believes such a gross misrepresentation of God's nature as shown by TULIP can actually know and love Him
Strefanasha 3 months ago
@Strefanasha "TULIP,, a noxious weed" No, that is just your breath!
WCOFTheology 1 month ago
Whoever came up with TULIP is totally depraved. That doesn't mean that everyone is.
help4343 4 months ago
In Calvinism, God Purposely Decreeds for Man to come into Existance DEAD, INVOLUNTARILY created to love SIN from the moment of conception, having NO ABILITY to repent or beg for mercy, the vast majority FATED for DAMNATION, PREDESTINED to burn forever, CHOSEN for Eternal Punishment, "Before having done anything either good or bad", with a ZERO chance of Salvation, for "His good pleasure".
"O how BEAUTIFUL are the feet of those Calvinist who preach the good news!"
apollos6640 4 months ago
Openair, it is false what you are proclaiming and if using lies to advance an agenda is how you preach then perhaps you should stop in the open aur or in a building or on the internet; just be quiet until you have become honest enough to speak the truth. Servetus was not killed by Calvin and Calvin tried repeatedly to save his life. It was the local government that condemned him to death.
ddww992 4 months ago
@ddww992 ........umm Calvin was the PROSECUTOR during Servetuss' trial. Calvin did NOT try to save his life. Get your facts straight. Calvin premediated his death saying if his influence was great enough Servetus would not leave Geneva alive.
willpower242 1 month ago
@willpower242 You are peddling either a lie or you show a gross ignorance in the actual historical account of this, either way you need to be silent until the problem is resolved. Calvin was not involved in the prosecution of Servetus, the Genevan civil authorites were. Both he and Flavel pleaded for his life and begged him to repent that he might be saved. Calvin was actually ridiculed by those in Geneva as a "liberal" for pleading for this man's life.
ddww992 1 month ago
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@ddww992 ..........Ahhhh......threats..........the Calvinistic way......persecutors of the True Church.......'embrace your hate' as the evil Emperor says as he is turning Anakin to the Dark Side.
willpower242 1 month ago
@ddww992 From the pen of Calvin himself.
"If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight."
Written by John Calvin in a letter to Farel, Feb 13th, 1546
"We have now new business in hand with Servetus.....I thought that he should be detained. My friend Nicolas summoned him on a capital charge. ... I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed upon him"
Written by John Calvin in a letter to Farel, Aug 20th 1553
shteve77 1 month ago
@shteve77 You're trying to manipulate the clear testimony of history. Yes, Calvin thought him worthy of death for his extreme heresy. yes, Calvin warned him that if he came that may happen. But it is also true that Calvin didn't have the authority to condemn or release him adn that was exclusively handled by the civil government in Geneva with input from a number of other places as well.
ddww992 2 weeks ago
@ddww992 All I did was to quote Calvin's own words. It is a historical fact that He wrote those things. His words testify what was in his heart. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul writing such things? I can't.
shteve77 2 weeks ago
@shteve77 First, cite your source, don't just make claims. Second, you mean Paul who said, "The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply"? Harsh words in and of themselves aren't wrong, and context rules everything.
ddww992 2 weeks ago
@ddww992 My source is Calvin himself. It is a historical fact that He is the author of these letters. People try and deny that the disciples really wrote the gospels but they did, and it seems you are trying to deny the historical fact that Calvin wrote those words. He did.
shteve77 2 weeks ago
@shteve77 You're funny. So where did you see these words from Calvin? You are biased against biblical truth and you see in Calvin a way you think you can break down this godly system of doctrine that is such an affront to your need to exercise sovereignty over your own soul. You are have either lied about the Servetus case or you are ignorant, neither is acceptable. You're attempting to find justification to turn God into an impotent god of your own choosing, Calvin merely opposes you.
ddww992 2 weeks ago
@ddww992 Do some research. They are quotes from letters he wrote and the contents of the letters are widely available. Calvin wrote these letters to real people.
Michel Servet, hérétique et martyr (Geneva: Droz, 1953), 152–3; letter of 26 February 1533 - Ronald H. Bainton.
shteve77 2 weeks ago
@ddww992 Could you imagine Paul writing as Calvin did "Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."..."I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed upon him"..." I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight"..."One should not be content with simply killing such people, but should burn them cruelly"
shteve77 2 weeks ago
@shteve77 Cite your source or stop speaking gibberish. Where did you get those quotes for the third time?
ddww992 2 weeks ago
@shteve77 Furthermore, Calvin met a number of times with Servetus, even summoned Farel to come down (which he did) and do the same, and they pleaded with him to repent that his life might be spared. When he refused Calvin begged the civil authorities to behead him rather than burn him that he might not suffer undue pain, which they refused.
ddww992 2 weeks ago
@shteve77 You can try to take any quote you want and divorce it from fact in order to make it sound the way you want, but it still doesn't pass the stink test and it's obvious your bias leads you to believe that which isn't true.
ddww992 2 weeks ago
@ddww992 and
"Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, AS I HAVE EXTERMINATED Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
Written by John Calvin in 1561 in a letter to the Marquis Paet, high chamberlain to the King of Navarre.
and “One should not be content with simply killing such people, but should burn them cruelly”.
shteve77 1 month ago
@shteve77 ......thank you for sharing the truth about John Calvin.
It is my policy never to get my theology from a serial murderer........this policy has served me well for many months now..........( I recently converted from Calvinism).
Not much fruit of the Spirit in those letters huh? Wasnt exactly walking w God.
willpower242 1 month ago
@willpower242 Amen. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul writing words like Calvin's. It's beyond me why anyone would hold Calvin up as an example of a Christian or a Theologian. So glad you have rejected Calvinism. The Bible teaches that "God is light, in Him is no darkness at all", yet in Calvinism, every single sin and evil deed has been planned by God and brought to pass, and then God apparently pretends He is grieved by the very sin He caused by sovereign decree! God isn't Skitzo. God Bless.
shteve77 1 month ago
@willpower242 Amen. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul writing words like Calvin's. It's beyond me why anyone would hold Calvin up as an example of a Christian or a Theologian. So glad you have rejected Calvinism. The Bible teaches that "God is light, in Him is no darkness at all", yet in Calvinism, every single sin and evil deed has been planned by God and brought to pass, and then God apparently pretends He is grieved by the very sin He caused by sovereign decree! God isn't Skitzo. God Bless.
shteve77 1 month ago
Funny, except the "F" word.
bondservant4jesus 4 months ago
I just upload four videos with nothing but Historical Facts
proving Calvin tortured and murdered people,,its all documented!
openairpreacher 1 year ago
What movie? What Movie?
Antarblue 1 year ago
@Antarblue
"Hardcore", directed by Paul Schrader with George C. Scott
whoostino 7 months ago